"Trump has previously said Cheney 'should go to Jail along with the rest of the Unselect Committee!' Also mentioned by Biden’s aides for a pardon is Anthony Fauci, the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases who became a lightning rod for criticism from the right during the Covid-19 pandemic.... The president himself, who was intensely focused on his son’s pardon, has not been brought into the broader pardon discussions yet, according to people familiar with the deliberations. The conversations were spurred by Trump’s repeated threats and quiet lobbying by congressional Democrats, though not by those seeking pardons themselves. 'The beneficiaries know nothing,' one well-connected Democrat told me about those who could receive pardons...."
From "Biden White House Is Discussing Preemptive Pardons for Those in Trump’s Crosshairs/The nomination of Kash Patel, who has vowed to pursue Trump’s critics, as FBI director has heightened concerns within the president’s inner circle" (Politico).
December 5, 2024
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“You want to deprive 51 people (probably a whole lot more than that) of their security clearance simply because they had an opinion that differed from Trump's.”
“I guess we can throw your defense of "absolute free speech" out the window.”
By the guy who thinks that I committed federal crimes by advocating that these bums be strung up, just because they are federal officials.
But here, possession of a security clearance is not a protected property interests. They are, for the most part (with a slight nod to the other branches) for the convenience of the Executive Branch of the federal government. I had a DOE Q (~TS) clearance for a number of years. I left that employer, and ultimately my Q Clearance. I had no independent grounds to demand that it be continued. My new job didn’t directly benefit the DOE, so I had no grounds to demand that the clearance be continued. And, of course, the final arbiter of the convenience of the Executive Branch is the Executive - POTUS.
But the other part of this is that security clearances are always temporary, revocable when grounds of distrust for National Defense information are found. Happens every day. Even past Presidents can have their security clearances revoked by their successors (as was done by FJB to Trump), so no one is above this. So, in the view of (a) sitting President Trump, how trustworthy are those 51 former Intelligence Executives who intentionally lied to the public to harm his previous Presidency? Should they still be trusted with National Defense information, just because they were trusted with it in the past? And who gets to make that decision? We all know the answer to that - the sitting President, under Article III of our Constitution.
"No common supporter of a political party will allow themselves to be identified with such corruption."
Supposing for the sake of argument that Biden does a mass pardon, do you think that in four years, the Democrat candidate for president will get over or under 50 million votes from their 'common supporters'?
I'd be taking the over, but that's just me...
I don't know what you're talking about prole. I said don't do that...see?
Freder, I keep reading your links, and they don't say what you imply. War criminals sounds like Assad, or Putin, or Heydrich. Reading the article, the 3 concerned had good grounds for clemency.
And where is there any evidence that Trump respects the law?
Very easy: If Trump didn't respect the law, big-time, he never could or would have survived the Mueller investigation. Q.E.D.
Pardons won’t help diddly with the defamation suits. They only apply to crimes.
Wilson. Actual racist.
So far the folks named in the article, and the associated lawfare tactics employed by members of Biden administration and Federal officials are responsible for the 2024 Trump election win. Fauci has direct responsibility for Trump's 2024 re-election. Cheney and her Jan Committee have direct culpability for Trump's election popularity. Lawfare stage-managed by Garland and executed by his DOJ underlings triggered the massive popular vote in favor of Trump.
Trump should give them a Medal of Freedom for collapsing the progressive-liberal democratic movement into a hot stinking mess of finger-pointing and despair. The Republicans and Independents didn't do cause the rancor.
Fredo steps on a duck with each and every word shim speaks.
What are the house rules on lying by representatives? Isn’t it non-actionable? Besides where are you going to find 12 “citizens” with an open mind to hear the cases? re: J6 cases
is that marque / letter of etc?
I'm wondering what the over-under is for how many times those witnesses claim they can't remember anything . That will be a scandal itself, but I'm hoping they will be tripped up by statements and admissions they made in other documents or legal proceedings.
That could land them in legal hot water, either as perjurors or being found in contempt of Congress, with recommendations to the DOJ that they be prosecuted.
A Trump DOJ wouldn't let such folk off the hook.
You actually want us to believe that a senile Joe Biden is playing four demential chess?
Yeah, "No one is above the law" banners are going to have to come down and Wikipedia will have to change the definition of the phrase.
Just to make it clear, I do agree with you, Saint Croix, that if Democrats had left Trump alone after January 21, 2021; then he wouldn't have been successful coming back in 2024. The lawfare did backfire.
I think we might just disagree on why and if it would backfire if Trump did something similar, and that's somewhat a side story on the value of the pardons. I do agree that one can easily overplay their hands when they decide to be vindictive. I'm only interested in debating the merits of the pardons, their effects, and related. I think you are making great points.
Freder, you lying piece of merde: Biden himself TOLD an American audience how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating the company Hunter was getting paid for doing nothing...FIRED.
And what's this bullshit about "proof": as you just said, "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck" is enough to convince you when you seek to smear Trump, yet you drop that standard when numerous documents and Congressional testimony have shown the Biden crime family at work.
Face it: you're a fucking hypocrite.
I see this as worse and more effective than a pardon: DOJ launches secret (criminal) grand jury probe of EcoHealth and Peter Daszak
Why worse, see what happened recently happened with Jessie Smollett.
I'll accept that a grand jury probe might not be over before the inauguration, and a no bill rather than a trial may not offer the same protection Smollett received. The case is being opened up per the recent Congressional report findings, so maybe this will be legit.
They wouldn't need pardons unless they were guilty of something.
@Freder "Saudi Arabia gifting Jared Kushner $2 billion"
You do know that lying decreases your believability on other matters don't you?
"Nobody's cheering the pardon of Biden's son. Haven't you noticed?"
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/4/three-cheers-hunter-biden-pardon/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/joe-biden-pardons-hunter.html
https://www.wdhn.com/news/democratic-rep-pushes-biden-to-issue-blanket-pardon-to-those-patel-could-target/
Yeah, I noticed. And what asswipe wrote this?
Saint Croix- "I love the pardon idea."
1. If you are Joe Biden or Dr. Jill or any other "advisor" to JRB,Jr., please do not read this Comment.
2. A consequence of the "Hunter" form of pardon is that the "beneficiary" cannot claim "self-incrimination" as a ground for refusing to answer questions about criminal activity BY OTHERS. So if Hunter is asked "Who is the 'Big Guy', he can't plead the 5th.
3. If JB issues more "Hunter" pardons, there will be more potential witnesses to JB's crimes who will be precluded from pleading the 5th.
The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.
1. If you are Joe Biden or Dr. Jill or any other "advisor" to JRB,Jr., please do not read this Comment.
2. A consequence of the "Hunter" form of pardon is that the "beneficiary" cannot claim "self-incrimination" as a ground for refusing to answer questions about criminal activity BY OTHERS. So if Hunter is asked "Who is the 'Big Guy', he can't plead the 5th.
3. If JB issues more "Hunter" pardons, there will be more potential witnesses to JB's crimes who will be precluded from pleading the 5th.
The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.
So, fighting fascism by Biden justifies fascist acts by Trump?
Yes. Because that's the only way you fuckers will learn not to do it again.
Too bad the juries disagreed with your assessment of the evidence.
I consider Manhattan and DC Democrats to be my very worst enemies, not my fellow Americans, and the verdicts they deliver are no more to be respected than those of the all-white juries of the Deep South during the Jim Crow era.
Well, Trump awarded Fauci with a Presidential Commendation for his work on Covid, so he's got that going for him.
Why don't you be honest and provide the specific reason WHY Fauci and others received the commendation?
Frederer,
"You want to deprive 51 people (probably a whole lot more than that) of their security clearance simply because they had an opinion that differed from Trump's."
When the evidence indicates that they acted in a coordinated manner for the sake of political (advocacy) speech in an election? Yes. Do you think if the sitting CIA Deputy Director came out on October 15 and said Harris is clearly the better candidate to the Washington Post for it to be published that they should get to keep their clearance? Their job?
"I guess we can throw your defense of 'absolute free speech' out the window."
Never did I declare "absolute free speech." No right is absolute. But to answer your question, those 51 people do have a right to free speech, but as above they do not have get to have a a government sinecure AND then use it for political advocacy. If they want to do that, they have that right, but not and keep the clearance.
"Nobody's cheering the pardon of Biden's son. Haven't you noticed?"
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-now-support-hunter-biden-pardon/story?id=116460567
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/12/03/hunter-biden-pardon-democrats-polling-reaction/
https://www.newsweek.com/democrat-defends-joe-biden-pardon-son-hunter-crimes-1994275
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-people-are-saying-about-joe-bidens-pardon-of-hunter.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/joe-biden-pardons-hunter.html
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/after-hunter-biden-mulls-preemptive-pardons-for-anthony-fauci-liz-cheney-adam-schiff-amid-fears-of-trump-led-prosecutions/articleshow/116004001.cms
Yeah, I noticed. And then there's this shithead:
"I love the pardon idea." Who was the asswipe who wrote that?
Of course, none of these scumbags has actually shouted "Hip Hip Hooray!", so I guess technically you are correct in a bullshit semantics way.
Freder:
There's Plenty of Evidence of Corruption Around Biden
"Because that's the only way you fuckers will learn not to do it again."
Those fuckers literally wrote the rulebook (Rule #4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.") and whine like babies when being expected to actually follow it themselves.
Like others do, Freder overlooks the fact Kushner served his time and so had been punished for his conviction. That sets him apart from Hunter in numerous ways. It’s nearly as dishonest a comparison as the Idiot at the Atlantic claiming GHW Bush “pardoned his son.”
Shorter, Bruce.
"Freder. You dumbass."
You'll notice, with Freder, the framing of motive always rests with conservative and never with his leftist demi-gods. With them Freder can find no fault.
Yep. It's why fences have gates.
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