December 10, 2024

"[Luigi Mangione] followed a variety of accounts befitting a typically online young man — self-help gurus like Andrew Huberman, OpenAI’s Sam Altman, and 'heterodox' thinkers..."

"... such as Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, as well as Joe Rogan. His strongest interest by far is in the work of Tim Urban, a writer and illustrator popular with tech types who publishes science explainers and anti-woke political writing about how polarization is bad and rationalism can save the world. There was one prominent exception to his innocuous online trail, though. Early this year, he favorably reviewed the book-length manifesto of Theodore Kaczynski, a fellow math whiz better known as the Unabomber, who killed and maimed people he believed had ruined the world with technology. 'It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies,' he wrote. 'But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out.' Mangione then quoted a 'take I found online that I think is interesting,' which ended by saying '"violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.' The manifesto found on Mangione is said to have stated 'these parasites had it coming.'"

From "What We Know About the UnitedHealthcare CEO Murder Suspect/An elite son is charged in the killing that also struck at corporate America" (NY Magazine).

138 comments:

NeggNogg said...

Now his parents will have to empty their retirement savings to fund his legal defense and grow old in poverty.

Enigma said...

Given his mishmash of James Bond-like planning and recklessness (e.g., showing his face when flirting), it seems he was heavily influenced by others and impulses. He may have shifted about in random ways, and done something very different if he read a different books.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Speaking of Richard Dawkins, I'm not at all sure what evolutionary theory would say about doing it yourself as opposed to taking control of a huge network and getting others to do it for you.

Danno said...

I have yet to see anything on his family and upbringing, which I see as way more important.

Leland said...

Elite son? Pardon me. Besides gunning down someone in the streets and wowing school teachers, did they mention anything he accomplished? Did he create software that benefitted anyone? Figure out a math problem that would lead to cures? Did he learn life savings skills? It seems to me he wanted other people to do things he didn’t do, and when they didn’t do it, he killed them.

Clyde said...

One thing I just heard on Fox News was that he supposedly had chronic back pain, and they highlighted that he is 26 years old, the age at which children have to come off of their parents' health insurance. Is that a factor? Who knows?

Ann Althouse said...

"Now his parents will have to empty their retirement savings to fund his legal defense and grow old in poverty."

He seems to come from a fairly wealthy family. From the article: "his family owns two recreational properties in the state and a group of nursing and assisted-living facilities they founded.... Mangione attended the Gilman School, a private all-boys high school in Baltimore where tuition is more than $35,000 per year."

BTW, he was the class valedictorian, and "Former teachers and classmates" said he was "an exceedingly bright and well-liked student."

Christopher B said...

Here's a summary of some details via Powerline.

Immigrant grandfather (reading between the lines) became a millionaire in Maryland and has some connections to Nancy Pelosi's father when he was mayor of Baltimore. The shooter attended a $40K prep school, has engineering bachelors and masters from Penn, has worked as a software engineer at a couple of places. I have read claims that some family member has health issues that might or might not have resulted in adverse contact with the healthcare financing system but have seen no details on that.

But obviously listening to a few podcasts is more important than the previous 18 years of indoctrination.

Money Manger said...

Woke, MAGA, all the tribes in current American political taxonomy now furiously parse the emerging record to establish that Luigi belonged to their opposing tribe.

Leland said...

I’m glad a McDonald’s employee was able to bring him to justice. I don’t think Kamala Harris ever would have.

Money Manger said...

He/She better damn well better get the reward.

ron winkleheimer said...

Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are not heterodox thinkers. They are as dox as it gets.

mezzrow said...

You never know. I had a college friend who murdered a guy he thought was sleeping with his wife. Don't know why this brought him to mind, but it does. He went to prison for a long long time.

Everyone loved the guy he shot, his wife was really attractive, and some people just go nuts. Haven't thought about him for decades. Well, there's my stream of consciousness offering for this morning.

ron winkleheimer said...

The suspected perp was not nearly as clever as he thought he was. Someone as tech savvy as he seemed to be should have been aware of the panopticon and known better than to discard items that could have his finger prints and or DNA on them. And why was he still carrying around the murder weapon and false IDs, let alone a manifesto!?

MadTownGuy said...

Here are a few more details:
"Mangione is the grandson of the late Nick Mangione, Sr., who rose from a poor background to making millions in real estate. The Mangione family owns a local talk radio station, WCBM AM, as well as the Hayfields Country Club and the Turf Valley Resort, both in Maryland.

Mangione attended the private Gilman School, where he was valedictorian in 2016. He went on to earn an undergraduate degree from the University of Pennsylvania with a bachelor’s and master’s degree. He has ties to San Francisco, with a resume indicating he was an artificial intelligence research assistant at Stanford University.
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The whole thing still gives me a Seth Rich incident vibe. I think there's more to the story than will ever be revealed, at least during the outgoing administration.

Christopher B said...

If the best NY Mag can do is him listening to Tim Urban and reading the Unibomber manifesto, the chances of him having connection with MAGA are slim.

Shouting Thomas said...

Rich spoiled brats led the Weathermen and the feminist movement in the 1960s. Too much money. Too much time on their hands. Too used to having their asses kissed.

Bart Hall (Kansas, USA) said...

Wasn't Obama-Care supposed to **solve** everyone's insurance problems ??

Sure didn't solve mine, which in four years went from $128 /mo (for a family of three) to over $1,400 /mo ... and that was $10 K deductible. At that point I worked the numbers hard, isolated assets, and went "bare-back" and fired the $17 K per year into an emergency account we never needed. Couldn't deduct it as a business expense after I sold the farm, but at that point it didn't matter.

The US will need at least a generation to repair the damage that Obama did in the name of "progress". But in the process he did just fine for himself financially didn't he.

I hope Trump and his successor(s) can make the leftist rubble bounce.

Another old lawyer said...

Some people don't cope well with the eventual realization that the world doesn't work the way they think it should, and never will no matter how convinced they are that they're right and how often and simply they explain to the others. Because, you know, people - and people aren't software.

Also, you should never believe everything you think.

cfs said...

All the media will take from this is the fact that he followed Joe Rogan's podcast.

I suspect we will see concerned talking heads asking, "Did Joe Rogan radicalize this poor young man? Does this show the need for more emphasis on controlling social media and the information which young people can access? What should the government's response be to make sure this type of far right-wing violence does not happen again? Will Republicans finally agree we need to take firearms away from the people who did not kill anyone?"

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Enigma said...

I'm pushing him into the Mangione tribe. Chuck Mangione and his trumpet! Trump is the root word for "trumpet," and therefore trumpets are evil.

"Feels so good," so it must be wrong, and I hate jazz music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FExBwfQHXlE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Mangione

cfs said...

Enigma
I'm pushing him into the Mangione tribe. Chuck Mangione and his trumpet! Trump is the root word for "trumpet," and therefore trumpets are evil.

"Feels so good," so it must be wrong, and I hate jazz music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FExBwfQHXlE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Mangione

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When I heard his name, it immediately brought to mind the episode of "Hank Hill" in which the Meglo-Mart blows up as Chuck Mangione is playing a concert.

Ann Althouse said...

"The suspected perp was not nearly as clever as he thought he was. Someone as tech savvy as he seemed to be should have been aware of the panopticon and known better than to discard items that could have his finger prints and or DNA on them. And why was he still carrying around the murder weapon and false IDs, let alone a manifesto!?"

You need to get on TikTok and find the conspiracy theorizing. It's rampant.

Ann Althouse said...

I'd guess that he wanted to be caught so he could continue his fight to hold the healthcare industry accountable.

But then why did he run? Why didn't he lay down his weapon after he took his shots and wait to surrender to the police... like a good practitioner of civil disobedience?

What's the middle ground between submitting to authority and evading authority and why would he choose it?

Enigma said...

As with transgender people who dress up as the opposite sex and receive medical treatment without understanding the profound consequences of their decisions, this guy was engaged in fantasy role play as a superhero avenger. See Taxi Driver, Death Wish, and the many antihero films and video games that followed.

I suspect the latest generation is doing this stuff because of lifelong immersion in anonymous and fictional social media, and they thereby have limited understanding of cause-and-effect processes. Gravity. Hot stoves. Or, they are mentally ill and follow in the tradition of zealots such as Joan of Arc and Greta Thunberg.

Breezy said...

It’s sad he chose to murder someone to bring attention to health care costs. He could’ve sent his resume to Trump Inc. RFK Jr could use people with his skill set. Now, he’ll just be rotting in some prison forever. Anarchy gets you nowhere.

Breezy said...

I think he wanted to get caught in the end, but not initially. The stress of being identified was too much, so he made it happen in a place where a less affluent identifier would get the reward.

Danno said...

Christopher and/or Madtownguy, I still haven't seen anything on his parents or siblings and other family details that might be informative. So his grandfather was connected to Nancy Pelosi's mafia? family.

rehajm said...

That’s the vibe I get from him, too.

Dixcus said...

Why, exactly? As his parent, I'd have one question for him: Are you guilty?

If he said yes, then my response would be: "You made your bed. You will now lie in it. I did not raise you to be a murderer. Adios, kid." And walk out.

boatbuilder said...

He should have read "Crime and Punishment."

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Jimmy said...

From X this morning. "He lived in a communal society in Hawaii. It hasn't been confirmed yet but we believe that Ryan Routh, the man who attempted the second assassination attempt, was affiliated to the same group in Hawaii."
Also, people mention mk ultra.
Who knows at this point. American health care is a shitshow. Obamacare made it much worse. But people on X, and I'm sure other places, cheering for him killing that man.
Crazy stuff.

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matthew49 said...

What meds was he on for his back pain, before and after his spinal surgery? Opioids? Other pain meds? Anti-depressants? Other psychotropics? Marijuana? Ketamine? Was he on "multi-modal" polypharmacy in an effort to diminish opioid use?

Dixcus said...

He's certainly not setting the world of espionage on fire. He made himself stand out like a sore thumb with that ridiculous getup of his, such that a lowley McDonalds McMonkey was able to identify him. He was basically wearing the same outfit at the McDonalds that he used in the murder.

Wearing a mask causes people to look at you funny. It don't help you blend in.

Quayle said...

Richard Dawkins? You mean that guy who champions and evangelizes a world view where “the strong kill the weak” is main engine of biological (and thus, human) evolution?

Dixcus said...

He's in New York. You think they're going to try him? Cops arrest perps all the time in New York, then Alvin Bragg lets them go.

This guy's a little too white, tho. They'll probably try him and he'll get off on some technicality.

Jamie said...

like a good practitioner of civil disobedience?

It's hard for me to see stone cold murder as an act of civil disobedience.

Aside from the (most important) fact that it's not civil, it was also futile: how does killing a CEO bring about change in an industry? From a results standpoint, his terrorist act should have been more like what Frank Herbert envisioned in The White Plague*: create a disease that only affects people related to that CEO and then ensure that they're all infected. Something like that.

*In The White Plague, a molecular biologist (or thereabouts) whose wife and child are killed in a terrorist bombing, the perpetrators of which boast about its effectiveness, creates a deadly and highly contagious disease that only infects and kills female humans. He spreads it by mailing dollar bills to random people. He comes this close to ending the human race.

Mr. Majestyk said...

Who names their kid "Luigi"? He was probably pissed about that.

Cappy said...

Anyone up for building a time machine, going into the past and picking off JD Salinger?

Dixcus said...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say upbringing might have been lacking.

Mr. Majestyk said...

So the killer of a health insurance CEO has an extensive social media history giving insight into his motive, but Trump's would-be assassin had none? Yeah, that makes sense.

Dixcus said...

The super rich (this guy's family owns golf courses, resorts and country clubs) don't worry about such expenses.

Dixcus said...

Only Democrats pardon their pussy sons.

Narayanan said...

why did CEO wander into the flight path of bullet!!?? will be the technology!!!

Narayanan said...

in NYC could it be his community service from his cell??

Dave Begley said...

Jamie: One result is that health insurance companies and Big Pharma will have more private security for executives which will raise premiums.

Money Manger said...

The modern day old woman would have had a security cam and recorded the murder. Roskolnikov arrested within hours. It could make a funny, Woody Allen-ish rewrite of the story.

Dixcus said...

"And why was he still carying around the murder weapon and false IDs, let alone a manifesto?"

Super smart this one. Told so all his life. Valedictorian, say school "experts."

He was seated in that McDonalds for hours wearing basically the same outfit he did the murder in.

Bro, at least use the drive thru on your way to Mexico.

Dixcus said...

They are literally running the United States now. Terrorism pays.

Temujin said...

Others have already had this view. A young person raised in a wealthy leftist family, goes to the 'finest' schools, hones his thinking on famous one-offs in society. Acts out accordingly. And not always from wealthy families. Sometimes it's just middle class folk. This has happened other times in history. What's new and added in today is a generation (or two) of young people so firmly entrenched in role playing + the belief that they can save the world with their individual actions (see the noted climate cultist/antisemite, Greta Thunberg). This young man apparently thought he was doing good by his action- his role play. And then left town and stopped off for a burger on the way to wherever he was headed.

As any properly schooled anarchist should know, burgers can be the end of you.

Dixcus said...

I have cancer. Can't afford ObamaCare. Too young for Medicare. Somehow have too many illiquid assets for Medicaid. They literally expect me to become homeless before I'd qualify for Medicaid.

So I'm just going to die of cancer. That's how good ObamaCare is.

Dixcus said...

"Why didn't he lay down his weapon after he took his shots and wait to surrender to the police."

In his manifesto, he writes that "they all deserved it." I think he was on his way to the next murder.

D.D. Driver said...

Kyle Rittenhouse with a trust fund.

Jamie said...

more private security for executives which will raise premiums.

Just so! And, by making this CEO a murder victim, the perp has successfully magnified the us-vs-them dynamic, which always works so well.

Justabill said...

As an upstate New Yorker of a certain age, I ask you not to drag Chuck Mangione into this, please. He played at my high school once and everyone loved him. Also, he played the flugelhorn, not the trumpet.

MadisonMan said...

Ah -- so it's not the American Idol Tim Urban.

William said...

I had a friend who developed some kind of neurological condition that left her in chronic pain. She went a little crazy. She obsessed over her doctors. She thought her pain was due to their incompetence. In her youth, she was bright and pretty and liked to party. She became haggard and reclusive. She communicated mostly by phone. She called friends and talked forever of her pains and the incompetence of her doctors. She later went on to commit suicide.....Maybe similar dynamics went on with this guy. Chronic pain drives you crazy. Maybe he blamed the insurance companies rather than the doctors. It's a tragedy for all involved. If it was a conspiracy, it was a conspiracy in the way that God conspired with Satan to bestow sufferings on Job.

Goldenpause said...

Let’s hope that the Altoona police didn’t screw up and make all of the physical evidence “fruit of the poisonous tree.”

RCOCEAN II said...

I found the tone of the article interesting. When the target of a terrorist attack or an assassination is someone the MSM likes, then we don't get this Mr. Spock like "Oh, what drove this man to do this? Hmm...lets investigate" tone. Instead we denounciations of the people who "Poisoned his mind" and "filled him full of hate" and demands we censor something, or demands that "people be held responsible". And desparate attempts to blame Rightwingers or conservatives.

But I guess the MSM doesn't really care about a Healthcare exec. So, we can just analyze. Anyway, its sad the young man decided to destroy 2 lives, his own and his victims. But contrary to the article, I think there's something wrong with his brain. Just like Ted K. And Sam Harris is a "hetrodox thinker". LOL. yeah sam's a real "rebel" - speaking truth to power. I mean, other than being your standard Christian bashing, liberal/leftwing athiest, who supports Israel and is a proud Jew.

Bob Boyd said...

Mangione's search for meaning.

Esteban said...

What did his family know and when did they know it?

Howard said...

He was Blood Simple

Former Illinois resident said...

And yet there are so many Democrats that think Obamacare is their shining accomplishment.

Now do the Medicare surcharge for upper-middle income W-2 wage-earning couples who retire from their middle-management jobs to discover their Medicare monthly premium is higher than their former employer's employee-cost for medical insurance. Yup, that surcharge is hitting a LOT of white-collar retirees reliant on their 401K plans and SSA to fund their retirements, and find that health care will be a HUGE cost burden upon their household budget.

Vonnegan said...

This is something about the family: https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/criminal-justice/luigi-mangione-family-baltimore-towson-GPRMNCATXRGDJAUZXJQO6RHSHU/

Former Illinois resident said...

Rittenhouse was attacked first by Mangione-like activists.

Bob Boyd said...

The victim, Brian Thompson, grew up in Jewell, Iowa (pop. 1000), went to South Hamilton County High and later the University of Iowa.

narciso said...

So the shooter had back surgery...prophet if anything he would take issue with his doctors not the insurance

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

A phenomenon has happened with increasing frequency on these comment pages. The Leftist obsession with Althouse for daring to allow centrist or right-wing thoughts to be expressed on this site has started to manifest in sabotage posts. They are easy to spot because when Leftists pose as flame-throwing right-wingers they inevitably resort to a caricature, spewing phrases that Leftists assume we would use but which no normal conservative actually uses, because it reveals a reductive thought process endemic to the Left, one they are so steeped in they can't break out of even when writing "in character." It reads as "awkward" to normies.

Most of you know of whom I write. Those who don't still have a pretty good idea, I'm sure. They probably know I'm writing about them. But they will continue to shit-post here because they think it hurts Althouse and is noted by the almighty G00rgle algorithm.

Amadeus 48 said...

My friend the law professor says that Mangione fits into a group called "nerd killers", who think that are geniuses but in fact are about as competent as a university DEI director, leaving a trail that leads to their prompt arrest with incriminating evidence everywhere around them. The prototypes would be Leopold and Loeb.
Farewell, Luigi. Be glad NY doesn't have the death penalty anymore. Maybe you can be the Birdman of Sing Sing.

Deep State Reformer said...

A trust fund anarchist crabbing about "parasites" on society? In Ann Arbor we called people like Magione "educated beyond their intelligence". Just bc you can do math really well doesn't make you either smart or wise .

Curious George said...

"Jamie: One result is that health insurance companies and Big Pharma will have more private security for executives which will raise premiums."

Begley c'mon. That's like saying if you put a cup of water in the ocean it will raise sea level.

Bob Boyd said...

They should be called "killer nerds."
"Nerd killers" sounds like nerds are their preferred victims.

narciso said...

The shooters thought processes are at issue, note he was very resorctful to the feds

Rusty said...

Dixcus.
He wanted to get caught.

Maynard said...

LOL. Bob Boyd.

Earnest Prole said...

He was also a frat bro with a ludicrous six-pack.

Wince said...

Any Denzel John Q. fantasy this guy had in his head about jury nullification just hit the brick wall of reality.

He'll get 30 years just for his eyebrows.

mindnumbrobot said...

Not be a smart ass, but Chuck Mangione played the Flugel Horn. Softer, mellower tone than the trumpet. Very distinctive sound.

mindnumbrobot said...

Mangione = Offense
Rittenhouse = Defense

i.e., opposites

Dogma and Pony Show said...

"But then why did he run?"

Because he had another target lined up? And another one after that?

Dogma and Pony Show said...

Why is it that people like Mangione blame health insurance companies for not paying 100% of all claimed medical expenses, but apparently don't blame medical providers for charging patients more than they can afford in the first place? What's the logic there?

Paul said...

On CNN they are crying about the assassin's bad back and his college ordeals... gad what pussies... Heck I have had a triple bypass, hip replacement, two screws on one foot, the Fibula taken out (tumor), damaged tailbone, and pin in knee (torn ligaments.) I have a broke hand from Karate and broke toe from Judo. Deviated septum surgery to. Yea I know what pain is like.. duh... and I've never contemplated killing ANYONE for ANY REASON.

The killer is a low down rotten sniveling snake that deserves to be either locked up for life or a bag over his head and with nitrogen gas turn on....

Lilly, a dog said...

Will he get a dreamy Rolling Stone cover?

James K said...

I'm still wondering how he knew Thompson would be out walking alone at that hour, that he could stake out a position there to gun him down. If I were more conspiracy-minded I might think he had someone on the inside.

Pillage Idiot said...

Replying to Dixcus:

That is true, unless he was estranged from his family (due to violent radicalism?) and they said he was on his own regarding his own expenses, including health care.

Perhaps the most common way to be estranged and dropped from the family finances is to be a chronic drug abuser. That is all speculation on my part, but it certainly does fit with an apparently smart guy being unable to hold a good job.

Sydney said...

I read that he was self-medicating with hallucinogenic drugs to control his post-op pain. Probably using marijuana, too. The press downplays the dangers of those kinds of drugs on the mind and people think they are harmless, but they aren't. His family and friends say he changed after his back surgery. I suspect the drugs, if the reports are accurate (It was the Daily Mail, so hard to tell.) You may not know this, but some insurance companies limit their coverage of opioids for pain. United Healthcare is one of them. ( www.uhc.com/content/dam/uhcdotcom/en/Pharmacy/PDFs/M925719-IFP22-Member-QRG-Opioid-Management-Safety.pdf )
Personally, I think it's beyond the scope of an insurance company to determine how much pain medication a patient needs, especially post-op. Granted, they are just saying they won't pay for it, but that isn't what the patient hears. The pharmacy usually just tells them they can't have it, because as far as the pharmacy is concerned, they aren't giving it out if the insurance won't pay for it.

D.D. Driver said...

Both aimless 20-something losers that like to play rambo. Each side think one guy is a "hero" but they are both losers.

The Vault Dweller said...

I mean it makes you smart, but yeah not wise.

D.D. Driver said...

There is a still a lot to this story. He says he acted alone but that is almost certainly a lie (he knew when and where to find his victim) so he is protecting someone. Who is his insider? Who is he protecting? Why?

Is it a coincidence that the triggerman has a bad back and the victim's wife is a physical therapist? *Probably* But, still it's weird that she hasn't made any statements or thanked law enforcement for arresting her husband's killer.

I'm just here observing things. There is still a lot we don't know.

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Jupiter said...

I would have thought that rationalizing indifference to the welfare of one's offspring was more characteristic of Democrats. But maybe it's a mistake to inject political categories into moral questions.

Wince said...

Turns out, the autopsy provided the most important clue.

"On first examination, no exterior damage to the skull... come here and look at this, it's the damnedest thing I ever saw. What is says..."

"Eat at Luigi's"

Curious George said...

He was going to a stockholder meeting. Pretty easy to find out details.

Mason G said...

One attacks and kills an unsuspecting victim.
One is confronted by multiple attackers and successfully defends his life.

Both the same. Yep- that's the ticket.

matthew49 said...

Sydney, thank you for your post at 10:09. I thought it was only me who thought that drugs might have played a big role in this event. (A previous version of this comment by me at 10:24 was removed only because of typos.)

Rusty said...

Breezy. This was never about the CEO. It was all about Luigi and his manifesto. The object was not to elude the police but to draw us all in. To get us to pay attention to him and his manifesto.

Yancey Ward said...

Is it indifference to not want a murdering son wandering the world loose to kill another person in cold blood? In the position of Mangione's parents, I definitely would not want him free if he were guilty and he definitely appears to be guilty.

Mason G said...

Is there ever a time when you don't think about how much you hate jews?

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Curious George said...

You need to read that closer.

Yancey Ward said...

He didn't want to get caught but whatever psychosis drove him also degraded his higher brain functions. As Howard points out above- Blood Simple.

Sydney said...

Jamie said "how does killing a CEO bring about change in an industry? "
Well, the day he was killed Anthem announced they were going to limit the amount of time they would pay for anesthesia. If your surgery went over the time limit, you had to pay for your anesthesia. The day after the killing, the rescinded the policy.
On a more anecdotal level, I put in a request for a prior authorization for an expensive medication for one of my patients last week. I called him yesterday to let him know the decision was still pending and he told me the insurance company called him and asked him if he thought the medicine would help him. In over thirty years of practice, I have never heard of them calling a patient and asking if their opinion about the drug.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

WSJ: Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun'

Lazarus said...

"Killer nerds" sounds like the nerds who develop the "killer apps." Some of them, like Bill Gates, have managed to be pretty destructive without actually killing anyone. If Mangione had really used his supposedly massive brain he might have used AI to cut health costs for everyone.

Chris-2-4 said...

I have only one question. How much marijuana did this kid use since starting high school?

D.D. Driver said...

He seems like more of a Waluigi type.

D.D. Driver said...

At six am he was not. If this was about making a statement, it seems like a killing with an audience would have been more dramatic.

D.D. Driver said...

Both of them living out stupid renegade fantasies. Rittenhouse wasn't just randomly attacked. He was out playing soldier like a fucking loser.

wendybar said...

My older brothers first band was called "HETERODOX". I always thought it was such a cool name. He has had many bands since that time (mid 70's)

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Erick Erickson: Luigi has a disordered mind. His few pages, is no manifesto.

Big Mike said...

I agree about "killer nerds." Speaking of which I live about 45 minutes west of where you exit I-66 to get to George Mason University. Police raided the home of two leaders of the George Mason Students for Justice in Palestine, and found "modern firearms" (I'm guessing that's a coded reference to AR or AK rifles and possibly semiautomatic handguns), ammunition, foreign passports, Hamas and Hezbollah flags, and signs that read "Death to America" and "Death to Jews."

Nice guys, you leftists.

Aggie said...

'because as far as the pharmacy is concerned, they aren't giving it out if the insurance won't pay for it'

That's news to me. I thought when the doctor prescribed it, the pharmacy fills the prescription, with or without the pharmacist's permission or the blessings from the insurer. 'Who pays' comes after. Also, the price you pay can depend on the price agreed by the insurer, so even if you're pulling money out of your pocket, it's sometimes, not always, at a better rate than drug company retail.

BarrySanders20 said...

Is "violence never solved anything" a corollary to "civility bullshit?"

Mason G said...

I didn't say he was attacked randomly- he was targeted just like the CEO. Do you approve of these attacks? It sure looks like you do.

Danno said...

Maybe his burner phone (and possibly a burner phone with an insider) had a purpose?

loudogblog said...

Aggie, I had it happen to me a few years ago. My doctor prescribed an expensive medication and the pharmacy wouldn't fill the prescription until the insurance company approved it.

mccullough said...

People who want to get away with it don’t carry manifestos with them. What’s surprising is he only killed one person. He’s kinda lazy if you ask me. Self satisfied. Typical participation trophy kid

mccullough said...

Rittenhouse killed a pedophile. He was a good shot under pressure. You have to tip your cap to the lad.

This hostility is unbecoming

Enigma said...

@mindnumbrobot: Check the link. He also played the trumpet. This 'twas a Trump joke, but you knew that.

Tomcc said...

I read that among his notes he stated that he "acted alone". If true, he had a pretty high chance of failure in locating his victim at a busy hotel in Manhattan, much less on the sidewalk. It also seems weird that he imagined that killing an executive would have any discernible effect on the industry. Mentally competent but crazy as sh*t.

Rabel said...

""his family owns two recreational properties in the state and a group of nursing and assisted-living facilities they founded"

That's interesting. His family was a part of the healthcare industry.

Maybe displaced guilt played a part.

mikee said...

How long will it take social media and the news media to turn this anticapitalist leftist into a rabid right winger? I'm guessing before this weekend.

Jim at said...

He was out playing soldier like a fucking loser.

Horseshit. He was asked by a friend to help defend a business/property from the rioting thugs who were on DAY THREE of their riots.

He wasn't out 'playing' anything.

Big Mike said...

The police from Altoona, PA, are reported to have held an "impromptu news conference" where they announced that they have received threats against their officers and their building as well as threats against "some citizens in our community."

You Lefties -- you are pieces of shit every damned one of you.

Jim at said...

How long will it take social media and the news media to turn this anticapitalist leftist into a rabid right winger? I'm guessing before this weekend.

Nope. The left has granted him hero status. They're proud he's one of theirs.

Big Mike said...

"Exceedingly bright and well-liked," and nutty as a fruitcake

John said...

He should have lots of time for long novels now.

Aggie said...

@loudogblog, I related a few days ago a similar issue that I had recently with a new prescription. But this is a step that both insurers (prior authorization) and pharmacies only play with very expensive drugs. You can always still tell the pharmacy to fill it, and you'll pay for it. The insurer cannot deny you a prescription, they can just set rules for having them pay for it under policy.

Bunkypotatohead said...

DA Bragg is still busy pursuing the great orange whale.
He won't have time for this street criminal.

Gospace said...

I saw him in concert in Central Park. It was free. No idea who he was, but a friend wanted to go. It was a double date- and he must have set me up because I remember absolutely nothing about my date. We had a loaf of bread, crackers, cheese, and wine. I suppled the cheese. For reasons- I knew a lot more about cheeses then he did. Not ideal acoustics, but everyone had a good time.

Living near NYC has (had?) a lot of benefits. I could see living in NYC as a single. Married with children? I don't know how anyone does it nowadays. Or even then except in the remote areas of Staten Island. Like Tottenville, where one set of grandparents lived and my parents, both of them, grew up.

walter said...

GUN VIOLENCE!

Ampersand said...

His grandfather's surname was Mangiano. Very strange to get a name change to Mangione. Perhaps someone of Italian American heritage can explain.

Saint Croix said...

Rittenhouse was acquitted of murder, which means the jury believed his self-defense claim.

Weird how the left loves murderers, but people defending themselves, not so much.

Saint Croix said...

Why would you blame the family?

The vibe I get is that this is more like Patty Hearst.

She was brainwashed by terrorists. He was brainwashed by radicals at elite universities.

The bottom four on the FIRE survey of free speech at universities...

Harvard
Columbia
NYU
Pennsylvania

Imagine spending all that money, and then having to fund criminal defense attorneys.