Context (from the full transcript at Podscribe, which I edited a bit for accuracy):
But like, you know, Kamala didn't have the ability to do that. Or if she did, nobody brought it out of her. I was hoping I could, I really was. I was hoping I could have a conversation with her. There's all this talk now that the reason why she didn't do it is because of progressive people in her party. The pushback. Which might have some truth to it, but for the record, they offered me two very specific days and, and different places in the country to travel and then go do it and do it for an hour. And I said, I didn't wanna do that. And especially after Trump had done it here in three hours, I'm like, this is the only way to do it. And Elon said it best, he said, he goes, you could kind of bullshit someone for an hour, but he goes hour two and hour three. Like, that's, that's when the real you comes out. Yeah.... it's the real you.... Well, how much are you bullshitting the world? The quote about Trump, or the narrative about Trump has always been that he's bullshitting everybody. That he's a con man. He's definitely very persuasive. you know, Scott Adams has wrote about this pretty much in depth about how, how well Trump practices the art of persuasion, you know, the art of the deal. He's great at making people his friend and make, making relationships. And if you're his enemy, fuck you, scorched earth, you know, it's like this. And there's fear of that. You don't wanna get on his bad side. There's all this like, there's this art of like how he negotiates Yeah. And has gone through this years and years and years of business. But, but that's him, that's the, the guy's right there. You could talk to him about everything and anything. He's right there. He's not protecting any of his ideas. He called a girl. He allegedly slept with horse face when he was the president on Twitter. It's the wildest shit. So you're getting what you get. That's who the guy is. And you love I like him. I, I've gone, I've grown to like him. I, I had a much more negative opinion of him back in the day because it was, there's only so much you can pay attention to and do deep dives on Before you lose your fucking mind. And with him, I was always like, oh, that guy. They grab him by the pussy guy. It's probably not good for the country. That seems crazy. But as time went on, I was like, oh, you need a guy that is completely crazy to expose how corrupt the whole system is. And how they all collude together and how they all, they all say the, there's all these montages of clips of news organizations saying the same narrative outright, over and over, verbatim word by word. They're getting fed this by someone, some entity, some they're, somehow or another they're collaborating and they're all choosing this very specific narrative and they're running with it and they're trying to destroy people with it. And I saw them do it with me. I saw them do it with me during the Covid thing. And it was all motivated by the pharmaceutical drug companies and the profits. And they were terrified that someone's gonna come along. And somehow another, they put a, a notch in this little thing that they've created, which is a, a devious little thing that they've done where they eliminated all sorts of other remedies. They, they cut out all these generic drugs that possibly could have been used to help people. They denied people the use of monoclonal antibodies. They pushed the fucking shit outta this one thing so they could make money off of it. And they did it in collusion with the media. No one acted like a journalist. No one looked at the excess deaths. No one looked at the instances of myocarditis in young people. No one looked at any of that. There was no journalism. It just showed everyone that the whole system is bought and paid for. It's all corrupt. And the only way you could find out who a person really is, is to listen to them talk for long periods of time. It's the only thing, it's the only truth serum we have left. And even that's not a hundred percent effective, but it's pretty good.... Your brain knows bullshit. You know, you ever like met some guy and like he's dating this girl that, you know, and there's just something about the It is like, what, he's shaking my hand. He's being nice to me. He see and I'm like, I don't trust this motherfucker. Like, something's gross about this guy. And then you find out he's a piece of shit. But it's always this thing. Like, you feel something. Yeah. If you talk to someone long enough, there's patterns in the way they talk, the way they think, the way they consider things. Whether or not they can admit that they're wrong or whether or not they could tell you why they changed their mind. Whether, how did they form their narratives? Like what, what bad paths were they on and what personal correction did they make? How long did it take before you got to a better place. You learn about people, when you hear 'em talk for long periods of time, you can't fake personal growth. You can't fake, like stuff you've learned. You can't fake flaws that you're willing to expose to people so that they, they could perhaps see them in themselves. You can't fake that. And all those people like Mike Pence, he's got zero of that. You can't sit that guy down and have a conversation of real conversation with him....
It's like a monologue in a David Mamet play, and it just pours out of Joe. That's halfway into Hour 2... in a conversation that's just getting started.
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That’s good stuff to read. Joe’s been kicked in the head a lot, too…
…I don’t completely agree with the profit motive motivating the push the vaccines. Sure all the congresspeople got rich bit there’s a crazy idea that emanates from the medical community that every vaccine is like the smallpox vaccine and if we get 100 percent participation the thing will die out and the population will be healthier. It ignores grade school level knowledge of mutations and timing. Add in a doctor knows best contempt and one evil scientist the government likely kept on hand for bioweapons and you get the shitstorm we got…
Could you do three hours? I couldn’t do three hours…
Agree. I see the mRNA situation as being at least similar to the massive failure in Alzheimer's research. It looks like a great idea, and has some potential, and hundreds of people invest their careers in mRNA working, and companies dump millions into development and test, and It. just. has. to. work.
They said they’d give him hour but what they meant was they’d see how it goes and would end it if it wasn’t going their way- minute one or minute fifty nine. Bret got about forty minutes, right?
…yes that’s interesting. When a friend was going through med school in the late 80s and deciding where to specialize she mentioned they were told genetics was a high risk/high reward path. You could change humanity or wallow in dead ends your whole career. She went a different direction but what of the ones what didn’t?
Your brain knows bullshit, except when it is your own bullshit.
I go by the sense of humor.
Remember when GW Bush told us he saw Putin's soul?
Turns out the vibes he claimed to feel were wrong.
How long until we see Rogan like GWB, a naive believer in his own wisdom but totally incorrect?
Joe Rogan thinks Donald Trump is real. Got it.
And if you're his enemy, fuck you, scorched earth
…he’s really good at the scorched earth. I know a couple stories from golf- at Trump’s club in Lowes Island, before Trump bought it, one of the club’s board members had a large old tree removed from the golf course so he could have a better view from his house adjacent to the course. After Trump bought it and heard the other members complain about the incident Trump paid to have a huge tree planted to block the guy’s view. Haha…second at Doral one homeowner abutter organized an neighbor opposition group what became quite vocal opponents of Trump’s investment, so Trump planted about a mile of mature bamboo, blocking any view of the golf courses. I’d say about seventy homes were affected and if you don’t think that hurt their property value….
Remember how you said Musk was a loser and the X was a bad investment and that he'd go broke and the he really isn't all that smart? Remember that?
How is he not real, Fruit Bat? "Real" doesn't mean "simple" or "reserved" or "tasteful," like a Hallmark movie where the small-town scruffy construction guy turns out to read philosophy and drink crisp Pinot Gris after work, thereby winning over the newly arrived pretty big-city lawyer with a bruised heart but a free spirit who had dismissed him on the basis of mere appearance.
Just in appearance alone, Donald Trump comes across as always the same person. And have we ever had as much exposure to any politician as we've had to Trump? Hours and hours and hours of minimally - and I do mean minimally - scripted rallies, interviews, podcasts, press conferences, over the course of eight years - I know him better than I know some of my cousins.
You don't have to like him (and I'm gathering that you don't), but it's a stretch to say he's not real.
Bullshit is a confidence game innit? You spend a lifetime building trust then decide to cash in on some of that because the need is ‘too important’. Next thing you know you’re mocking your commenters when their bullshit detectors are screaming but you can’t smell a thing…
[shrug] Rogan might be wrong, as Bush certainly was (if Bush was being "real" in that moment). But certainly we have a better shot at seeing behind the mask, anyone's mask, in three hours than in twenty minutes, wouldn't you say?
Hallmark movies are a great analogy- a world where there’s double beds but nobody ever gets to round first base…
Dumb Lefty Mark also said Threads would crush X and both Tesla and SpaceX were failures.
Basically, Dumb Lefty Mark has been 100% wrong on every single issue for literally years.
That makes Dumb Lefty Mark one of the biggest naive believers in his own wisdom but a total Dunning-Kruger Dunce.
You know who else does three hours? Joe Rogan.
Putin's two invasions of Ukraine occurred under Barack "I'll have more flexibility after the election" Obama and Joe "the NATO response to a minor incursion is uncertain" Biden. Exactly what did W get wrong about Putin?
I like Trump policies, glad he won—but he’s too repetitive & that’s boring for me. But very very real. With all the talk about “authenticity”, few Dems believe that Trump is authentic. Because they are unwilling to listen to him, seldom even 3 minutes, much less 3 hours. Instead, the gullible Harris voters believe, without evidence but with Lots of Media Propaganda, that he’s a Threat to Democracy.
Bah. Maybe he’s a threat to their partisan bureaucracy.
Thanks so mush, er, much, for the transcript.
I believe Rogan has made this same point in previous podcasts. Which is fine, except he sometimes (like in this case) takes much too long to make his point. Yes, he's in a conversation and should offer his perspective, but sometimes I'm thinking, "Okay, Joe, we get it. Let us hear from your guest."
I've met Trump … twice. What you see is what you get. He's very real.
He's great at making people his friend and make, making relationships.
That’s almost the sine qua non of a successful politician. Dick Nixon is just about the only successful politician I can think of whom most people did not instinctively like. I think authenticity is a big part of that, but another key is that a successful politician has to really like ordinary people. I’ve never met the man, but people I know and trust who have met Donald Trump say he genuinely seems to care about them as individuals. That is something that can be faked over the short term, but not for all people and in every circumstance.
And Trump had the good fortune to be running against unlikeable, inauthentic Kamala Harris, who sent between 1500 and 2000 young men to prison for smoking weed while she herself was almost certainly using it herself. So scratch “cares about other people.” Is she for fracking or is against it? It depends on which audience she’s talking to. As I commented — inauthentic.
@Tom, did you ever wonder why the newsmedia focused exclusively on fomenting Trump hatred and not on trying to build up esteem for Harris? Could it have anything to do with getting people to like her was basically “Mission Impossible.”
Rogan is a great interviewer. He seems to like everyone, and is interested in hearing what they have to say. If he doesn't agree with a statement, he asks questions until he get to something he understands.
Some of his views seem inconsistent. Being all about health, but taking a mess of drugs doesn't make much sense, but he is honest.
It must be intimidating for a person to agree to a 3 hour episode. Mark Zuckerberg is the only guest I've seen who really didn't seem like a real human.
Great clip. I think its true, Kamala didn't want to talk for 3 hours because she couldn't just recite talking points. She'd have to be the real Kamala. And the real Kamala is a SF Leftist. Thats who she was until she ran for POTUS in 2019.
However, I'd disagree that everyone revels themselves in 3 hours though. I think Bill clinton could BS for 3 hours and still hide the real Bill Clinton. Hillary, of course, couldn't.
The shots at Mike Pence were perfect. I think Rogan or the Guest called Pence an actor. I think that's what Pence is. He's a "Christian" and he's ambitious and otherwise every belief is up for sale. Give him a script and some greenbacks and he'll say anything. If tommorrow the "Big Donors" told him to support Putin, he'd switch on a dime.
What they failed to grasp is that Joe Rogan sets the terms. Not some wanna be girl boss.
Rush Limbaugh was like that. Liberals called him a racist, a liar, a tool of fascism, but his listeners knew that you can't fake authenticity for three hours straight, five times a week.
By that, I mean ... Joe Rogan has attracted 20 million people to watch him do 3 hours a day (much like Rush Limbaugh).
Kamala Harris has to PAY people to be in her audience.
I've always thought Bill Clinton was one of the greatest actors of all time. Its obvious, proven by his life after 2000, that he wanted to get Arkansas as soon as he could. And that he's really a blue state elitist at heart. But politically, he had to go back to Arkansas after yale law school
And so for 12 years he faked being Mr. Arkansas the Governor in little rock. The "social conservative" who put criminals to death, and "felt your pain". Not to mention faked out the local draft board. He always pretended to love black folks too. And that marriage to Hillary. What was the truth behind that relationship? I cant imagine any man wanting to marry that barracuda.
Rush was the most hated man in the Democrat Party. I believe they murdered him.
If David Letterman had done a 3 hour podcast like Joe Rogan, y'know the "David Letterman experience" we would've found out what bitter, angry, asshole he was sooner then we did. He did a good job of covering that up until about 2008.
Better to have Hillary inside your tent pissing out than outside pissing in. She was vociferous in the Nixon coup.
That's what makes Rogan great. He's tapped into a seemingly endless supply of people with whom he can hold interesting conversations that are sometimes intellectual, sometimes goofy and sometimes hilarious-- all usually in the span of three hours or so. Everyone has an interesting story. His genius is the ability to bring it out.
At its core his statement about not being able to sustain a high BS level over three hours is a distillation of Lincoln's famous adage about fooling "some of the people some of the time" etcetera. It was true in 1860 and it's true now.
True at times, Tommy, but it's a rare person IMO who actually believes their own bullshit.
Both the Rogan and Vaughan podcasts brought out the seldom seen sides of Trump. Both hosts successfully broke through the repetitive talking points and elicited honest observations from him. Did you listen/watch either, Tom?
Tulsi did very well for 3 hours with Joe. That was my first good look at her. I’m glad she’s going to have a senior and important position.
- Krumhorn
Has Joe Rogan interviewed David Mamet? That would be epic!
#1801. Will listen today.
Internally, externally, or mutually inconsistent actions or statements are indicators of bullshit detected by anthropogenic and automated intelligence alike.
Think of a Joe Rogan podcast as a three hour unscripted "My Dinner with Andre" made in one take. It may not be as slick and not have the emotional ending of "My Dinner with Andre" but you do learn almost as much about the participants in the podcast as you learn about the participants in the movie.
Sometimes it takes 3 hours and sometimes it takes 2 minutes.
1. Trump handing out food at the McDonalds drive thru, saying, “You’re not ordinary. You’re not ordinary.” to the guy who was thanking him for looking out for ordinary Americans.
2. Fight. Fight. Fight.”
Not everybody is worth listening to.
There are a lot of young guys who haven't worried much about whether the young woman they were trying to get in the sack had a horse face. As Joe E. Brown famously said in "Some Like It Hot"---"nobody's perfect".
I've not listened to Rogan in the past--but I did listen to most of the J.D. Vance interview. I think that the long format is a good way to size up people, their views, and their ability. If there is something real there, they can easily go for more than an hour. Kamala's handlers were correct--after an hour she'd run out of her script and would have to loop it again. They couldn't risk that exposure.
It could be that Bush was BSing. There's a lot of that in politics and diplomacy.
For a lot of people, their brain does "know bullshit", but for some many others, they do not. Come on, folks. Almost half the voting population voted for Kamala Harris two weeks ago.
I remember a few years ago a new person was hired at our office and everyone just loved her. I despised her because I recognized she was a fake. She was a trouble-maker and back-stabber. It took a lot to be fired at the place I worked. I think she was only the 2nd one to be fired in the 20 years I was there. Her bullshit finally caught up with her. It was discovered she was a lying, back-stabbing, incompetent, fraud that falsified some very important documents that almost got us in a lot of trouble. Later the boss said to me, "I should have listened to you".
Face it - Kamala could not even make in One hour. Her staff would be there waving their arms yelling.. "cut cut cut!"
Abort! Abort! Abort! When approaching a carbon sink, and the mission is deemed a burden.
The thing about politics is that a lot of people totally ignore their bullshit detectors when it comes to supporting their candidate and their party. People do it on both sides, but I think that the problem is worse on the left because most of the people in the media are like this. (And they actively empower other people on the left to turn off their bullshit detectors.)
26 minutes.
This is very interesting. Althouse is unusually good at bullshit detection (like top 1% of the top 1%). BS detection has always been an important skill for homo sapiens but the highways and byways of BS detection change from epoch to epoch depending on how and where people get information, some of which is tinged with BS. Some people have always been far better at it than others. What I get from this is that Joe Rogan stumbled into his own very interesting tactic which is: Get them talking for two-three hours. That seems to work for him, although it isn't just the length of time; it's also what he asks them and how he digs further. Althouse's tactics don't take nearly as much time but I don't know if her skills are transferable to lesser mortals.
Julian Assange said the same thing in 2016 - he put out a request for dirt on Trump, and what came in was the same stuff that was already public knowledge.
I don't talk unless I have to, I am very introverted. It seems to me that Rogan says more in three hours than I do in three months.
I would be a very bad Rogan guest, if I had anything to talk about.
Joe has the warrior experience that means he never quits until the fight has been won. But his personality is so loving that you want to be one of his friends.
Come to think of it, Rogan is a Trump clone. They both use authenticity to break down barriers.
For years I would tell people to listen to Rogan not for Rogan’s mind but for what he draws out of his relaxed truth telling guests. It’s the guests man.
Rogan endorsed Trump. So apparently the brain does not know it or does not actually care.
Don't worry, Joe Rogan speaks more in many interviews than his guest. and many interviews go nowhere near 3 hours
Her people knew his reach. He entered into negotiations. If he was acting in good faith he thought there was a compromise there to be reached. I think the problem was that the longer it was scheduled for the more disruptive to her schedule, and the higher the odds of the one gaffe that would become the only thing rebroadcast on many programs.
When they suppressed dissent, changed the definition, advised mixing JABS, pushed them at Preggers, tried to suppress data for the approximate lifespan of a human...the bullshit was clear
Your brain knows bullshit, except when it is your own bullshit.
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is that same as everyone has conscience?
and the higher the odds of the one gaffe
One gaffe. Right.
Maybe Kamala actually needed 6 hours to convey what she believes, and then nixed the Rogan interview because it was just 3 hours?
I don't know a lot of the crazy guess that Joe has on have no problem spewing b******* for hours on end, EG Graham Hancock.
I think Climate Science falls into the same category. If you've invested all your life into Climate Science, can you really turn around and say "yeah this is going nowhere". Of course not.
They turned up 15-20 minutes late and then cut out early. It definitely wasn't even as long as was agreed.
"I think Climate Science falls into the same category. If you've invested all your life into Climate Science, can you really turn around and say "yeah this is going nowhere". Of course not."
If you can't, assuming that's where the evidence is leading, then it's not science.
You should see some of the videos he does of UFO people. Hilarious.
I tried to listen to Mamet while working today and gave up after 40 minutes. For someone who writes clearly, his conversation is convoluted and frustrating. I credit Rogan with coming back numerous times to ask why wealth is such a problem. Mamet would pontificate but not answer. I share his opinion about wealth, so I was interested to see if we have similar thoughts. I lost patience. At least for now.
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