Sorry to beat a dead horse, but can we go back to what happened here? pic.twitter.com/FkScNHivuU
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November 6, 2024
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167 comments:
Thanks for posting. And thank you Tim in Vermont. Excellent reminder.
Remember - it's illegal to have thoughts about it. "You have no proof!"
A fraudulent election happened there.
15 million Democrat voters up and died and nobody noticed???
A better question is what should happen. And what should happen is the largest and most intense voter fraud investigation in American history compete with RICO and conspiracy to commit fraud charges. We have 4 good years, 2 of them really great years, to throw a lot of electioneering conspirators across multiple states behind bars.
They sowed the field of Mars with the hydra's teeth to keep Trump from obtaining the golden fleece in 2020. Now they shall reap wrath.
Those 20 million Democrats from 2020 didn't show up in 2024 because they never existed. Ghost voters, phantom votes.
Trump is right. Trump won in 2020.
My goodness, what a curious outlier you've got there. Should be a topic of much serious consideration in the days to come. Send it to all your friends!
Wait… I’m trying to bathe in the virtual tears of teh Morning Joe clown posse. Delicious. Don’t you dare cry, Donnie Douche, Mika, etc.
Rudy Guilliani was destroyed over the leftist lies. I hope Trump helps him.
Kind of sticks out. If it wasn’t so big, I can find it plausible that the “big”pandemic gave people nothing better to do than go out and vote. Except that enthusiasm never seemed to exist before or after that election. It only seemed to appear in absentee voting, and absentee is usually not what we call enthusiastic.
....and I note also, from the news, that the widespread rioting, burning, and looting has been confined to a few selected incidents in Left Coast cities. So.... I guess we should include the power of NGO Money and logistical assistance in the speculations of 2020. Was it all just adding confusion to distract from the vote counting and eagle-eyed canvassing in the polling places? Apparently the orders (and the money) didn't come down the pipeline, this time, eh? Or is it too soon to tell....
That's interesting. Trump did worse, too. Everyone stayed home.
The comments section on this blog was shut down in part because many of us did not want to ‘move on’ from this chart…
Of course they cheated. Lying Soviet Cheaters and lie and cheat. That's what they do. but but but ---- you have no proof!
I think they did cheat in 2020.
I'm curious as to why they didn't cheat this year?
They were under an electron microscope.
Year ain't over yet. Expect more ballots to be found continously until certification day. Also the BBC is questioning the election because the results were in too quickly.
Beat a dead horse? How about "proof is in the pudding"? That graphic seems to plainly demonstrate that 2020 Democratic Biden vote count was fraudulent. No one can convince me that 2020 election was "more important" to Democrats than 2024 election yesterday. Clearly 2020 excess Democratic votes were fabricated, conflated, conjured, imagined, whatever, it now seems Trump's assertion that 2020 election was stolen has in fact been confirmed by 2024 election results - stolen. Stolen. Stolen.
Many of my comments are being deleted immediately after they're posted.
We were aiming weapons at the drop boxes. That's why.
@Saint Croix.. They still are.... I'm afraid that it isn't over yet.
Probably going to cheat more on Senate and House races.
A new voting system with no checks against fraud in 2020. The same system, but now with some checks against fraud in 2024.
Oh they most definitely tried, but the RNC finally had a chair and an attorney that were out in the forefront and knocked down the shady crap in Milwaukee, St Louis, Dekalb Co., and Pennsylvania. Even though not fully successful in Arizona, they made sure that Maricopia was properly sullied.
We need a mandate for National Voter ID.
A lot of red states cracked down on unverifiable mail-in-ballots plus the GOP was far more vigilant about demanding chain-of-custody in the big blue cities. However, with the COVID restrictions gone it was just harder to sneak in crates of ballots everywhere or run the same ballots through the machines 20 times.
To D.D. Driver above- Trump will come close (within a million or so) to his vote totals of 2020 a week from now- Harris will still be about 10 million short of Biden's.
MSNBC: The Russians are coming!
Can we at least agree there is a statistic anomaly apparent?
The larger question for those of us with tight tinfoil hats tired of being right all the time: Did they create the crisis to do it or only not let it go to waste?
And I will offer a caution this morning- the Democrats haven't given up on winning this election yet. I guarantee you they are beavering away in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Milwaukee, Madison, Tuscon, Las Vegas, Atlanta, and Charlotte/Asheville trying to scrounge up enough ballots over the next 2 weeks to overcome Trump's edge in those states.
Those voters exist, or at least the addresses of those voters exist, and all it took in 2020 to create a perfectly legal vote was to fill in the ballot and deliver it to a polling location - mailbox, dropbox, voting site. Note that nothing I wrote above has anything to say about where the ballot was before being dropped in the box, because there was zero auditable tracking allowed. Ballot harvesting produced voters by means fair and possibly foul. That the Dems did not repeat this successfully is the amazing thing about this election.
Well that's one unlikely explanation, since turnout was extraordinarily high yesterday.
Try again. You can do it.
They didn't have the cover of COVID, R operatives motivated more low propensity voters to vote early making the margin to cover more unreachable, and we had 6500 GOP attorneys on the ground pouncing on shenanigans before they could succeed.
With the coming implementation of a national voter ID requirement and paper ballots, this will continue to trend more toward reliable results.
I suspect that the only people who know how it worked are the genius-level mathematicians and software engineers employed by failed 2020 candidate Michael Bloomberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon, and George Soros (and likely other random Silicon Valley tech billionaires).
I suspect these same people spoon-fed the anonymous funding puppet Sam Bankman-Fried and his child vampire girlfriend too. Getting answers from this crew will require either dollars, imprisonment, someone to squeal, or effective anti-trust actions regarding the Wall St.-Goldman Sachs-Silicon Valley cabal. Will Trump be a new Teddy Roosevelt trustbuster?
(Jeffrey Epstein surely knew who was involved.)
California alone has another 8 million votes to count, but sure, make that graph now.
Since 2020 is moving into the realm of done deal, researchers will likely look into the "glitch" in the trend. Or we can write off political science/stats professors in the future as being compromised
81 million votes my ass.
Those voters exist, or at least the addresses of those voters exist
No, both assumptions are incorrect. Vacant lots, convenience stores and laundromats were used to "register" those imaginary voters. there was zero auditable tracking allowed is a delusional phrase. Do better. You concede there was "there was zero auditable tracking allowed" which means we cannot call them "perfectly legal."
All we know for sure is they were counted in 2020.
Trump in 2016 : 62,984,828
Trump in 2020 : 74,223,975
Trump in 2024 : 71,519,730 (with votes still to count)
R's must over-perform to beat the cheat.
"That's interesting. Trump did worse, too. Everyone stayed home."
I don't think so. After they finish counting CA (58% in), and the small totals left in the other states, Trump's popular vote total this time is going to be very close to his total in 2020.
At the time in 2020 I said Trump should enjoy his "interregnum."
Trump should have skipped Jan 6 and used the time to systematically investigate the inconsistency of the result (above), and simply allow the Democrats to display how awful they are before his triumphant return.
But nobody knew exactly how awful Biden would be, and now Trump can make that triumphant return.
Apparently Covid was MUCH more deadly to people that wore 3 masks, even while driving alone.
Look at the chart! See how the 2024 bar is lower than 2020? We were told that to expect a record turnout that did not happen. Fewer voters voted for Trump this year but he still won the popular vote. Voters stayed home.
Agree? Only if it helps the Democrats somehow.
In CO - we have the absolute worst most corrupt Secretary of State in the union.
Her name is Jenna Griswold, she is a partisan hack, she lives on D-MSNBC - and she was just caught exposing hundreds of elections passwords. All against the law. Tina Peters is in jail for 9 years over what Jenna just did.
Apparently Harris underperformed Biden in every single county in the USA.
They did the numbers at CNN and the whole country went black.
"Literally nothing?" Jake Tapper said.
There were a lot of media freak outs, but that's pretty amazing. And super strange, actually.
LOL - It's all they have. Funny- I don't see much difference Between D-MSNBC and Russian dis-information.
It's Mourning Joe today. Mika is dressed for a funeral. But now she has removed her black scarf.
I haven't given up on the Interstate Contract for the Popular Vote. If those states do what they pledged to do then Trump nets those 209 EC electors too. California, Colorado, Illinois...
Democrats: NO, you big "election denier"!
See how the slope from 2008 to 2024 increases relative to the population? 2020 is an outlier, and your job is to honestly ask why. Every state reported high participation, but yes it is less that the 111% of registered voters in 2020. Go work on your math skills.
The fraud we all witnessed take place in 2020 was just proven.
Didn't your state sign that compact among the states to follow the popular vote? Shouldn't Griswold be pledging all the CO electors to Trump now?
Those were the passwords to the DOMINION voting machines. They had them all in an Excel spreadsheet. They're literally CHANGING VOTES in Colorado. She should be arrested as a NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT and put in Gitmo until she can be hanged.
It should be easy to find out which registered voters voted in 2020 who hadn't voted before and didn't vote this time. No hearings required.
You can't add votes with no associated voter record. So they're in there somewhere.
I could almost code it myself..hell just pick one big county like Fulton or Allegheny.
Good point. if all 8 million of those go to Kamala, she only be 7 million votes behind President LOL81Million
I think not enough consideration is given to the idea that the pandemic itself caused much of the 2020 turnout. People were locked away in their houses from what we were told was an existential threat. Many believed the narrative at first and that pent-up frustration people were feeling caused a lot of anger toward the government. Trump was the obvious target of people’s anger, even if unjustified
I think not enough consideration is given to the idea that the pandemic itself caused much of the 2020 turnout. People were locked away in their houses from what we were told was an existential threat. Many believed the narrative at first and that pent-up frustration people were feeling caused a lot of anger toward the government. Trump was the obvious target of people’s anger, even if unjustified
First executive order: VOTER ID in all federal elections. Second executive order: Non citizens will not considered in number and allocation of federal representatives.
Covid was on purpose.
I will say again that if you look at the county level voting data what you will see is that 1) urban areas (votes > 100,000) everywhere increased the vote percentage Biden received. 2) Once one controls for urban areas, the vote percentage Biden received was not different in battleground states (AZ, GA, WI, MI, and PA). 3) An interaction effect between urban and battleground is not statistically different from zero. Search Substack for "Amoral game theorist" to see details.
If you believe there was cheating, you have to ask why they would cheat in states that were not in contention. If you believe the Democrats to be so clever as to do so just to hide their tracks, I don't know what to say.
I am pleased that the results last night were so much better for Trump, as the Democrats needed this spanking for their lawfare against Trump, the millions of illegal aliens they illegally let in, for forcing people to get Covid shots after it was clear it was not preventing transmission, and for forcing people to repeat the lie that a trans woman is a woman. Now we get to move on to the 14th Amendment, faithless electors, and (after 2026 perhaps) a third impeachment shenanigans.
In March of this year, I paid $6 for a dozen eggs.
I wanted to burn down Washington DC again (and still do).
The Deep State rigged the 2020 election and kept us all locked in our houses so they could stuff ballot boxes and board up the windows of the counting rooms.
Not one of them even got shot. Unreal levels of cowardice in this country. Washington and Revere are turning over in their graves.
Probably lots of cheating this time but it wasn't enough.
In 2020, there was quite of bit of commentary from expert election analysts, the guys that travel to foreign countries to evaluate election security. There was a long list of red flags, both procedural and statistical, that were laid out, showing how unusual the outcome was, by historical standards. Not just an outlier, but an outlier that delivered with results that were impossible.
After a few months, most of them shut up; a few of them persevered, working on 'True the Vote' or other conservative remediation efforts. But one of the recurring themes in the analyses of the precinct results, was that there were spikes for Biden in red districts that surreptitiously contributed to his winning overall in key states. They were accompanied by spikes in Trump votes that were not as significant, and there was a good bit of speculation that this was an intentional masking, so that the Biden votes wouldn't stand out.
So I expect Trump's popular vote totals, once everything is counted, to be close to 2020's totals, but not quite as high. I am really looking forward to the analysis of 2020, now that people aren't terrified of being cancelled for talking about it. We won't ever prove anything, though. That was the beauty of the 2020 steal, it's unverifiable - by design.
There's two things that have to be fixed over the next 2 years: Election Security, and the procedures for taking the census. Election security must be fixed at the Federal level, and there has/i> to be a 'citizenship' question on the next one.
ANYTHING Trump tries to pass Democrats in the courts will block. The way you get control of Washington is to ELIMINATE THE BUDGET first, then hold it out as incentive to get what you want.
I don't think it's implausible that Biden got a big boost because (a) people were pissed off at the federal government's erratic response to corona (e.g. two weeks to slow the spread became long term lockdowns; masks don't work became mandatory masking with no explanation for the change, etc.), and (b) the government couldn't articulate any exit strategy.
Trump's administration had pushed testing and the vaccine, but as of October and early November, had no evidence the vaccines would work (Pfizer had changed the testing protocol so they wouldn't analyse their test samples until after the election). And Trump himself caught corona in the middle of the campaign despite a rapid testing regime. Under the circumstances, it really isn't that surprising that there would be an unusually large pool of voters who would vote against him, as the incumbent, just to punish him for what the government was doing to them.
In 2020, I honestly think he would have won reelection if not for coronavirus, because the parade of horribles that Clinton II and the soi-disant Resistance had claimed Trump would usher in turned out to be mostly a left-wing fantasy, the economy was good, and Biden's mind was going.
close Italicos.
Yes. What did happen? I was looking at the numbers, and while the final totals are not in they are close enough. That's a significant drop from 2020 (to put it mildly).
Joe Biden is just that good! /sarc
That outlier represents no small amount of foreign sovereign interference, and I'm not talking the Russian variety. The global NGO and transnational Gramscian-Marxist alliance is real and needs to be dealt with. Harshly. A solid half of the world's people and the world's nations (especially the EU) essentially ride the bow wave of our consumer economy and they feel that gives them the right to provide 'input' into our electoral processes and politics.
Think again old-worlders. Millions of Americans aren't past coming across the pond to thump your skull for you yet again to remind you of the fact the wise people were the ones that took a boat journey to escape European elitism.
Keep your feces on your side of the Atlantic. Americans owe you nothing.
With her robotic moves, black clothing and the downcast look on his puss, Mika looks like Maerose Prizzi in “Prizzi’s Honor” serving tea to Daddy Dominic
pardons, he gets to keep his car, the lawyers what did the sacking need to be sacked…
Ghost voters in teh Sky!
That's not exactly true, Saint Croix. The graphic you're referring to showed that Harris had not overperformed Biden anywhere by 3+ percentage points. She did overperform him here and there by less than that.
One factor is Trump breaking into Dem constituent groups. If you're going to engage in fraud, you have to be sure that everyone who touches it is on-board.
Not only the only felon to win the White House, but the only candidate to win it THREE times. Wait, did what's his name serve 3 terms? died in office.
Trump Makes "Without Evidence" Safe Again.
hell, do Pennsylvania. That'll tell you something.
Votes are still be counted, so while that will change the totals, the discrepancy with 2020 will be huge. The fact votes are still be counted is embarrassing. Nobody should accept the fact some states are simply incompetent and likely corrupt.
The first order of business for state legislators should be to update their entire process from the ground up, then follow Florida's lead on how we conduct our elections. If election integrity were the actual goal, it's a no brainer.
You mistakingly assume widespread voter fraud. Uncontested state vote run ups are explained by ambitious GOTV efforts with the new mail in rules…but that doesn’t explain secretive counting or demographic fundamental anomalies in swing states…
Lots of comments on this topic disappearing, including mine on another thread. Was it Blogger?
There will be some noise made along those lines early on - but none of that is going to happen.
Making government bigger and more in control of a state responsibility is not the way.
Making government bigger and more in control of a state responsibility is not the way.
Trump: “MASSIVE FRAUD HAPPENING IN PENNSYLVANIA!!”
*Pennsylvania called for Trump*
Trump: just kidding this election was fair
Trump voters, do you really not see a problem here? You can’t support democracy only when you win.
That's a hard pass.
The Soviet left destroyed him Rudy must be made whole.
Obvious question: If they ran a fraud if that magnitude in 2020, why didn't they do so again in 2024?
"They were under an electron microscope."
Correct, or at least a microscope as opposed to no microscope in 2020. And now that Musk and his teams are involved its going to improve going forward since any New Soviet Democratical "victory" in the future spells the end of Musk ventures and potential jail time for him from our modern day Soviets.
Napoleon once said that he didn't intend "to be a useless king [emperor] seeking justice." There is some rational to that. Do I want these people to pay? Yes. Do they deserve it? Hell yes. Could the more important things that need doing be done parallel with tearing their fraud machine apart? Probably. Should it derail the extremely important work on hundreds of other larger priorities? Certainly not.
The Great Replacement is not a fiction. I consider its destruction the most important political priority of the next 6 years. Nothing should stand in the way of annihilating the left's ultimate goal of electoral replacement forevermore, even at the expense of every other priority in my opinion. Dealing with that first and then dealing with the traitors is fine by me.
Quite obvious they stole the election. They thought they could imprison his supporters and get him on a bunch of bogus charges and it would all be covered up. They didn't realize how strong this movement has become. A lot of us are Tea Party that the Uniparty have shit on for years. Trump was the only one who listened and tried to clean up DC. And yet they wonder WHY he is so popular?? If Biden got that many votes how did Kamala get so little?? Can't blame it all on men.....I think the dead decided she sucked, and didn't vote this year.
"We were aiming weapons at the drop boxes. That's why."
I personnally flew dropbox recon missions in my F-35.
You cannot say Trump won in 2020. If so, this would be his third presidential victory and he would be barred from serving due to term limits.
Love it when they get bit by their own actions. Truth comes out, eventually.
I believe that objection was against a specific case where voters were illegally turned away early. The RNC went to court and won, thus eliminating the attempted fraud.
Too many lawsuits/rulings in the intervening years limiting their options along with hyper-vigilance of dominion machine performance (still quite a ways to go there with the best option completely discarding them) along with on-site real-time observations of trained legal teams prepared with immediate lawsuits which were filed and won during in person voting periods.
When it’s safe NOT to “follow the science”.
LLR-democratical Rich, the Harry Sisson of Althouse blog: "Trump voters, do you really not see a problem here? You can’t support democracy only when you win."
Shut up cheater.
Just because your team was more limited in their cheating options this time around and were watched much more vigilantly than previously (thank God Ronna Romney is history) and lawsuits filed more effectively doesn't mean we don't know exactly what you New Soviet Democraticals are up to.
And the new populist republican party now has the experience, money and resources necessary to build a machine to match the democraticals decades long advantage.
Get used to it.
Interesting that they apparently made up some fraudulent Republicans as well.
"Should it derail the extremely important work on hundreds of other larger priorities? Certainly not."
The only larger priority I can see is the Border. But the question I want answered -- and expect to see answered soon -- is, where were all those nonexistent voters?
Malarkey!
Blink twice if the answer is yes.
Losing will be good for the Democratic Party. They need new leadership and they will get it now. The old guard has lost the plot.
They were, ahem....pining for the fjords.
When it happens to me, I'll post from my phone but it won't ever show up on my phone, but when I get home the comments are visible on my computer, and vice versa. No idea why that is.
Their politics has become their religion. Dogma is on the line, and key pillars of the faith may have to be abandoned (at least publicly). I foresee that being a significant struggle. Their female youth vote is more zealous than ever...take that young woman yelling at a baby girl in a stroller as just one of hundreds of examples. They've doubled down consistently for 16 years now. I wonder if their voters will let them do anything else.
A combination of changes made post-Covid by state legislators (although not nearly enough) and the RNC was prepared and run by competent people this time. Truth is a lot of the blame for 2020 is on Team Trump and the RNC. They were caught flatfooted.
Protip for Enemy Within, Inga, and the Dinkster: slash parallel to the wrist veins, not across.
I repeat: I'll go to my grave knowing full well that there is no way 81,000,000 Americans bothered to vote for Joe Biden. It just did not happen.
So what did?
What states had the biggest drop in turnout? If it’s solid blue states fraud isn’t an explanation. If it’s mostly in swing states suspicion increases.
a little Moody Blues for the moment
https://youtu.be/V2L3UzM_FfE
Michigan looks like it was down 150K this year.
Georgia up 250K.
They couldn't overtly mail in 20 million ballots this time because of Twitter/X.
Elon spent 44 Billion$ to save the Republic.
Rich cannot deal with the obvious statistical evidence that Democrats mailed in 20 million votes in 2020.
Joe Biden was always an illegitimate president.
Also I look forward to Election reform. I look forward to that 65 million number dropped to ~55 million.
Trump will have over 10 million more votes in 2024 than any other Republican in history.
Trump is clearly the most popular president this country has ever had.
You NeverTrumpers are the most pathetic and useless people in the country.
"I wonder if their voters will let them do anything else."
Good question. Maybe that's where good leadership will have to come in.
Maybe it's less up to their voters and more up to their big doners.
You know who else is on their way out is the Dem media stars like Maddow and Scarborough and so forth. And if you listen to them this morning, they know it.
Biden 2020 under performed compared to Obama in 2008 in thousands of counties.
Biden MASSIVELY over performed compared to Obama in a few hundred counties and ended up with 81 million votes. The statistical representations of this are undeniable.
Trump is the most popular President this country has ever had by a long ways.
“Losing will be good for the Democratic Party. They need new leadership and they will get it now. The old guard has lost the plot.”
I don’t know if it’s possible.
Yesterday I was getting a hair cut. A woman came in and said, “Have you all voted yet? Kamala needs your vote.”
I said I was voting for Trump.
She said, Trump is a crook. He’s a crook.”
I told her she should respect people who voted differently from her. Rather than slagging on Trump, she should give me a reason to vote for Kamala. She replied that Trump was a crook. She had worked with him and he was a crook. I told her she should listen to herself talk. There was no reason to be so disrespectful. She just repeated the same thing as I left. BTW, I’ve heard 2 other Dems in the past year tell me they worked with Trump and he was a crook. I didn’t believe any of them. In my opinion it’s just a lie they say to shut people up.
My point is these folks are part of the Democrat base. I don’t know if the leaders of the Democrat Party can afford not to cater to them.
Election deniers! All of you! LOL
Trump was ready this time and there were people with cameras posting things on twitter.
In 2020 things got posted and immediately deleted from all social media.
Elon saved the Republic with his 44 Billion$.
She was probably a person who believes and repeats whatever she sees and hears on TV and she believe and repeat it when they tell her something else.
I am going to put the data into a spreadsheet later tonight or tomorrow and will let you know. Right now, votes are still being counted in every state.
Yes and no. I’m for a law that says states must require an ID to confirm citizenship before voting in elections, or at least federal election. I have no, zero, nada, interest in a required national ID.
"Protip for Enemy Within, Inga, and the Dinkster: slash parallel to the wrist veins, not across."
Remember, "across" is a cry for help. Parallel means you want out.
"You cannot say Trump won in 2020. If so, this would be his third presidential victory and he would be barred from serving due to term limits."
It's actually Trump's 4th victory over a New Soviet Democratical opponent. He defeated Hillary, had his victory in 2020 stolen, drove Joey Bag-O'Dementia out of the race and then also defeated kamala-la-la-la....all while being in the Colliseum Arena against the combined forces of the entire weaponized deep state and corrupted New Soviet Democratical "judiciary".
So, lets call it 5...and 6 and 7 and ......
"We need a mandate for National Voter ID."
Precisely correct, along with signature verification and about 3 or 4 other hard requirements.
The New Soviet Democraticals cannot really win without cheating which is why they imported 30 million illegals to replace American voters...which we must also deal with.
Ironically, the 2020 election may have been the democrats worst mistake. If Trump had won, he would be out now with no logical successor. No one would believe that Pence would carry on in Trump's footsteps. Dems would be in charge now with some idiot like Newsome.
But now, Trump was given 4 years to reorganize, recruit a strong unity cabinet with the likes RFK, jr, Musk, and Tulsi, and pick a strong successor who embodies his populist approach. Also, there is now deep concern about election integrity and momentum to fix it.
The guy I feel happiest for is RFK, jr. Shut out and hounded viscously by the Pelosi-Obama democrat machine, he now has a significant presence in the US government. Trump has always been a little guy centrist, I have to believe he will do the right thing for RFK, jr
When states like California disenfranchise their American citizens by importing and registering alien voters then we do need some federal oversight on these federal elections. An ID requirement is used everywhere for many things already. Feds could simply require states to provide state ID for minimal cost or none at all. (I don't actually believe it's difficult to obtain a verifiable state ID.) It need not be a "federal national ID card" bullshit, but you could certainly use your passport if you have one.
Rigorous ID requirement coupled with strict enforcement of existing laws against foreigners voting would go a long way toward making people more confident. Paper ballots would be better too. And same day voting if we can swing it. With a must-report by 9 p.m. local time requirement. Top it off with jail time for any poll managers who fail to have enough ballots for their precinct or can't keep the reader machines in working order or try to bare authorized voters or poll watchers.
I’m curious how many of these extra voters - both R and D — never existed to start with.
Better a crook than a skank.
My wife, the cradle-D, says that her farflung overseas Outlander friends just can't understand how Trump won. Having met some of them, I believe them.
Millions of Americans were locked in their houses and had nothing to do but vote in 2020. Seems many tried to vote their way out of the pandemic.
SpaceMountain, I don't think retributive lawfare will derail Trump's plans for positive reforms going forward. I think it's necessary as deterrence/incapacitation to keep another "resistance" from derailing his reforms. The people being locked up will be specifically incapacitated, and their fellow travelers will be deterred by seeing their fate.
I hope he and a MAGA Congress and executive branch will do something like this:
1. Impeach/remove all federal officials involved in the electoral fraud and lawfare. In states with R legislators and appropriate laws, impeach/remove the state officials, too.
2. Prosecute the officials in Step 1 under federal civil rights laws, and if possible under state civil rights laws as well. Would really be beautiful to prosecute officials of one state under another state's laws.
3. For non-office holders such as party officials, PACs, eminences grises, lawyers who gave "unethical" advice, etc, go straight to the prosecution part.
4. Don't forget disbarment actions for the lawyers among the perps. And private lawsuits by people hurt by the D's.
If it looks familiar, it's because this was the D playbook against Trump and MAGA. And it almost worked, too, except that Trump is rich as fuck, and MAGA is a genuine grassroots movement. Neither of these is true for the D's, so their own tactics will work great on them.
JSM
Mika was looking like Maerose Prizzi in mourning.
Ouch, DD. I will hold your beer, please proceed…
Leland - yes - that is preferred.
Trump is over 270. He won.
I agree. Most lock-step hive-minders like living in their world of lies.
At the end of the day, this whole ball of wax basically amounts to women being wrong. Women, by their own sisterhood's numerous public pronouncements, can never be wrong. Women are perfect. Their emotions and their accounts of events cannot be questioned, only heard. Their dogmas must be everyone's dogmas. Everyone else's rights are mere privileges, but theirs? Inviolable. How many times have we heard this.
I've said it many times before, it's times talk less about women's rights and time to talk a lot more about women's wrongs.
In 2020 the Democrats ran a lot of Democrat heavy districts through the tabulator machines more the one time. That inflated the both R and D vote totals, but favored the D total. Very simple fraud.
Two reasons:
1) The RNC lawyers were ready, watiing, deployed, and most important of all-legally right.
2) As Enigma pointed out quite cogently above, the Left their social media Pravda scheme. Sam B-Fried is a convicted felon. Dorsey and Zuckerberg's could smell their danger and confessed under congressional oath. They both were extremely damaged goods, and Musk completely undid the shackles that Dorsey and his bolshieviks did to Twitter/X.
I've been meaning to ask... No time like the present... It is true the D.D. stands for Discredited Drivel?
Stand down, Francis! Let’s say we savor this sweet victory for a bit.
Recriminations, finger-pointing and Backstabbing. It’s a beautiful thing!
Or maybe D.D. stands for Desperate Democratical. That fits because this thread was launched to change the obvious subject, which is not what happened to a few million Trump voters (a silly question given the likelihood of Turkey Day arriving before final numbers writ in stone can be discussed rather than gaslit) the question is where did those 15 million Biden voters come from and where did they go. Simply by population statistics alone 2020 stinks like a 9-day-old mackerel, leaving aside the midnight delivery of tons of mail-in ballots that have by now "mysterious disappeared" and can therefore are immune to forensic analysis. 2000 mules? 2000 at least.
Unrelated note: didn’t the 2020 census miscount result in four erroneous electoral votes allocations? IOW, had the census count been correct, states Trump won would have had four more EC votes and his margin would have been 8 EV greater.
This guy thinks there was fraud in Milwaukee with the 40k ballot dump at 4am that pushed Baldwin over the line. His other numbers for the state (and the other swing states) all lined up.
https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/1854231108574916669
If you looked at the same popular vote counts by state, I suspect you might see outliers like this only in the battleground states.
I personally prefer that the dems not change a whisker.
I'd be satisfied with serious reforms in voting: No more vote by mail, no more unlimited absentee ballots, at least limits on early voting if not eliminating that. It's hard for an investigation of 2020 to come up with any proof when by design the voting was unverifiable.
The problem is that I think states have the authority on how their elections are run, so those reforms might require a constitutional amendment.
By "where", I mean, in which states? Do you think those 20 million vanishing Democrats were evenly spread across the country? Or did they maybe concentrate in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona ......
Ironically, the 2020 election may have been the democrats worst mistake.
Yep. Been saying that for the last couple years. Trump would be gone and there'd most likely be a D in the White House.
As it is now? We've got J.D. Vance waiting in the wings and I like his chances going forward.
MJB - yes CO did vote that way.
Drago. " I can rent you the gun, but you're going to have to buy the bullet."
Well, that's interesting. I looked at the swing states, Dem votes in 20 vs Dem votes in 24. I have to say, it doesn't look like that's where the Dems lost 20 million votes. Here it is, in thousands;
state D20 D24 diff
AZ 73% 1,672 1,140 - 500
GA 95% 2,473 2,533 + 60
MI 95% 2,804 2,716 - 90
MN 95% 1,717 1,656 - 50
NV 94% 703 616 - 80
PA 95% 3,458 3,337 -120
WI 95% 1,630 1,666 + 30
Percentages are percent counted. AZ could easily go plus for D24.
Just to be clear; with 95% of the vote counted, Kamala Harris got 60,000 more votes in Georgia than Joe Biden did in 2020. Trump won because Republican turnout increased, not because the Dems weren't able to cheat. That is NOT where the 20 million votes went.
OK, maybe they didn't steal the 2020 election. I've gotta say, if this is what crow tastes like, I'll have another plate. It's really tasty, with that Victory sauce.
That graph sure looks like there was 20 million fake votes in 2020. "Beat a dead horse? How about "proof is in the pudding"? That graphic seems to plainly demonstrate that 2020 Democratic Biden vote count was fraudulent. No one can convince me that 2020 election was "more important" to Democrats than 2024 election yesterday. Clearly 2020 excess Democratic votes were fabricated, conflated, conjured, imagined, whatever, it now seems Trump's assertion that 2020 election was stolen has in fact been confirmed by 2024 election results - stolen. Stolen. Stolen."
I agree.
This post is is getting stale by now but...
Via Insty :
"Eugene Volokh emails to suggest that the above chart is comparing apples and oranges: “Biden’s 81M was the final 2020 count; Harris’s 66M was the ongoing 2024 count, as of this morning. It appears that as of this morning there were still at least about 16M votes not yet included in the tallies,..."
James K,
"The problem is that I think states have the authority on how their elections are run, so those reforms might require a constitutional amendment."
For state and subsidiary officials, yes; but Congress already has authority over elections to federal office.
There will be several million more votes; California is only 65% in!
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