September 21, 2024

"Trump on Saturday argued it was 'too late' to have another presidential debate because Americans have begun casting their ballots in the 2024 election...."

"Trump suggested last week that he might be open to participating in a third presidential debate.... 'Maybe if I got in the right mood,' he told reporters during a stop in California, after previously postingon Truth Social, 'THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!'... Harris’ campaign last week dismissed Trump’s announcement that there would not be another debate, with one senior adviser saying the former president 'changes his position every day.'..."

From "Harris accepts CNN debate invitation for October 23, again challenging Trump to another showdown" (CNN).

I assume he's negotiating. But it is getting late. And yet October 23 seems too late because too many people will have already voted. Don't we all need to be reacting to the same information? Maybe not. Why does it seem as though we should? Am I just nostalgic for the days when we all — except the overseas military and the truly housebound — trudged to the polls and waited in line together?

45 comments:

Gospace said...

Election Day- not election month of months. Counted that same day.

Kate said...

When the absentee ballots arrive we'll be destroying Dad's envelope. At the end he no longer cared about Trump or the AZ Cardinals, the two things that animated him the most when he was alive. Suggesting a debate in late October is idiotic. Get the votes early and get them while you can.

Bart Hall (Kansas, USA) said...

Single day, paper ballots only for all elections to national office, purple finger; photo ID, registered voters only, who have proved US citizenship. Only exception for deployed military and overseas diplomatic corps.

Jamie said...

Don't we all need to be reacting to the same information?

And that is only ONE of the arguments for same-day voting.

Jamie said...

What about expats? I live among many non-USA expats and some of our closest friends are American expats currently working and living overseas. They can vote by absentee ballot at present and they are VERY determined to do so.

Michael said...

It's not about nostalgia; it's about fraud. Same day, in person, picture ID, paper ballots, purple fingers. Absentee ballots for good reason upon presentation of ID. Maybe a nationwide 24-hour election day so that everyone can get to the polls. Clear chains of custody for ballots. National clearing house of voter registrations. Simple.

Kylos said...

No, you’re not. Widespread mail-in and dropbox voting opens the door to ballot harvesting and ballot fraud for low-propensity voters. Single day voting may disenfranchise some, but those affected should be relatively evenly distributed across parties so it should have little effect on the overall outcome than to protect against fraud.

Joe Bar said...

Voting started here yesterday.

Breezy said...

How did we get to needing so much time to vote, anyway? 6-7 weeks is ridiculous. Were states trying to outdo each other on this front?

I think we all should be required to know what the October Surprise is, at the very least. (Lol)

Inga said...

Conservatives have traditionally voted on Election Day and tend to discourage mail in early voting. If Trump did well in the debate he may get more votes from people who have been on the fence about him, who knows? I seriously doubt those who had already voted early for Harris or Trump would have their minds changed. I’d love to see another debate just to see Harris spank him again.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

He’s either negotiating or his internal polls are telling him it isn’t necessary. The notion that he wouldn’t debate again if he thought it was needed is absolutely laughable.

wendybar said...

Why is kamala so afraid to go on Fox News? Why does she always get lapdog Media lapping up her lies?? If she can't handle going on Fox News, she can't handle Putin, Xi or any other world leader and should step down immediately.

Inga said...

As for early voting, there are more reasons for it than just being overseas, military or being housebound. “Trudging” to the polls may be doable for reasonably healthy people, but there are millions of people who are not housebound, who have chronic conditions that flare up causing severely increased pain, immobility and fatigue on those days. There are people undergoing therapies that cause severe side effects, a sick child, spouse, or parent who needs care and can’t be left alone for the person to leave to go stand in line to vote. Mail in voting gives millions more Americans the opportunity to vote.

Inga said...

Why has Trump already said he wouldn’t accept Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum as moderators for a Fox debate? Who knows if Harris wouldn’t debate with these two moderators on Fox? But we’ll never know because Trump already said he wouldn’t accept them.

rehajm said...

Everyone just dies for these stupid things as if they matter then can’t understand why we don’t get better candidates. It’s you, not them…

rehajm said...

Everyone just dies for these stupid things as if they matter then can’t understand why we don’t get better candidates. It’s you, not them…

Gospace said...

Tough for them. Amazingly our ancestors in days of horse drawn carriages could make it to polling places. But today it's too hard...

Jim at said...

The notion that he wouldn’t debate again if he thought it was needed is absolutely laughable.

Correct. Politics 101. The person in the lead NEVER demands more debates.

Jim at said...

Mail in voting gives millions more Americans the opportunity to vote.

It's amazing we were able to vote the way we did for all those years and nobody bitched about lacking the opportunity to vote.

It comes down to fraud. You know it. We know it. Everybody knows it. But you're the only ones who don't have a problem with it. Wonder why that is.

RMc said...

Neither party would allow this. Both sides believe they can game the current system better than the other side can.

RMc said...

CNN will let Harris go on by herself; it'll be like the lovefest "town hall" she had with Oprah the other day.

Michael K said...

Except for the AZ Governor election in 2022.The D candidate was the Soros supported Secretary of State, who happened to be in charge of the election. Hobbs, the D candidate, was "elected" when the ballot printing machines in GOP districts all malfunctioned on Election Day.

MikeD said...

Dollars to donuts, if the Kamel said let's do a Fox debate with Baier & McCallum he'd go for it.

Michael K said...

Another reason to doubt the sanity of the person posting that fantasy.

Michael K said...

Another reason to doubt the sanity of the person posting that fantasy.

Michael K said...

Many of those D voters are dead, which makes it much harder.

God of the Sea People said...

Unless FOX News or some other unbiased moderators who would be willing to ask Kamala some hard questions (Megyn Kelly comes to mind) get tapped to moderate a debate, there is no point to Trump agreeing to do one. There is only liability for him, and no possibility that she has a similar risk of imploding under tough questioning. There are difficult questions that could be posed to her, but unless it is clear she is going to have to answer those kinds of questions (and she won’t under any circumstances) then it just seems like a waste of time that gives the media another opportunity to baselessly claim he lost.

God of the Sea People said...

Unless FOX News or some other unbiased moderators who would be willing to ask Kamala some hard questions (Megyn Kelly comes to mind) get tapped to moderate a debate, there is no point to Trump agreeing to do one. There is only liability for him, and no possibility that she has a similar risk of imploding under tough questioning. There are difficult questions that could be posed to her, but unless it is clear she is going to have to answer those kinds of questions (and she won’t under any circumstances) then it just seems like a waste of time that gives the media another opportunity to baselessly claim he lost.

Michael K said...

That's what this has been about all along.

The Godfather said...

Wasn't it the "moderators" who "spanked" Trump?

Rosalyn C. said...

The whole point of elections in a democracy is voided when people lose confidence in the honesty of our elections, which will happen if there is (alleged) widespread fraud (again).

Jamie said...

But Inga, surely it's inarguable that if you can and do vote in your state today but next week or next month you learn something about your candidate (or the opposition) that would change your vote, you're at a disadvantage as a voter and your candidate benefits unfairly from that disadvantage.

Let's say, for example, that the Biden-Trump debate hadn't happened before early voting began - and that you wouldn't vote for the proverbial ham sandwich rather than Trump. Say, for instance, that both candidates were more or less acceptable to you but you decided to vote Democrat out of habit, then learned that the Democrat candidate was non compos mentis and the entire Democrat establishment had been lying to you about it for some unknown period of time - which is exactly what did happen, except for the part about both candidates' being acceptable to you.

Think beyond Trump for a moment. Don't you see the problem?

Gunner said...

Inga, she didn't "spank" him in the first one. He got angry, she said nothing but platitudes and the mods only fact checked him.

Jamie said...

You talk as if voting is a party game and not a serious charge we adult non-felonious citizens share. You care about voting? Make the effort - or make the case that you truly can't without an absentee ballot and hope that the authorities agree with you. Make the case to the political party of your choice or the non-partisan voter advocacy group in your community that you and others need respite care for your loved ones while you vote. Bring your bored children to stand in line with you the way Americans have done for generations.

Or hell, come up another way to vote in person on one day. People sit in drive-thru lines for inordinate amounts of time to get a coffee-adjacent drink at Starbucks or for Sticker Drop Day at Dutch Bros - why not drive-thru voting? Chick Fil A is very efficient at managing lots of customers without errors and with great courtesy.

If the only solution you can think of is, "Ballots need to trickle in over the course of more than a month, be separated from the envelopes that are supposed to demonstrate that their senders are legitimate voters, and never ever be matched to a living human being," then it's hard to escape the idea that your solution is intended to solve a different problem from the difficulty a small fraction of voters have in voting in person on Election Day.

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William50 said...

If Harris wants one more debate so bad how about Fox News with Gutfeld and Waters as the moderators. Let's see what she's made of.

Iman said...

“Am I just nostalgic for the days when we all — except the overseas military and the truly housebound — trudged to the polls and waited in line together?”

Yes… the old days, before the cheating got more widespread and the malevolent intent of the Donkey Party became undeniably obvious.

Narayanan said...

it aint over till January 6 2025 - right?
do they need to kill just DJT or also JDV after election?

Inga said...

Jaime,
A party game? Excuse me? I take my voting privilege/responsibility very seriously. Do you think that the millions of disabled people who are not housebound don’t deserve to cast a vote? Mail in voting is legal and it allows millions of people to cast a vote. If you think the people voting by mail are not serious about their vote or are too lazy or unimaginative to go in person to vote that is damn insulting. I happen to have a serious autoimmune condition that knocks me down so hard during flare-ups that I can’t get out of bed those days due to intense pain. Your comment is elitist and insensitive besides being rude.

Jim at said...

Let's change the rules - rules and laws that've been in place for decades - just for Inga. Everybody happy now?

Inga said...

For Inga and the millions of other Americans. Absentee voting by mail IS legal, if you don’t like it, work to have it changed. Good luck.

Clyde said...

So, Kamala wants another three-on-one debate against Trump. No, don't think so. They can just set up an empty chair for where Trump would be and let her do her word salads.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Tell the cheat-to-won left / Democrat Media Industrial CompleXi - to pound sand.

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

wendybar wrote: "Why is kamala so afraid to go on Fox News?"

Because when you (Fox) are fined nearly a billion dollars for peddling information you know is false to parrot one particular candidate's narrative, you don't get to play impartial moderator.

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

Trump's advisors don't want him to debate for the same reason his lawyers don't want him to testify.