"Online course listings enable faculty, students, and administrators to see which classes fill up the fastest and, by implication, which professors are perceived as benevolent and easygoing. A professor of sociology at a large public university told me that these (surprisingly public) pressures on faculty are symptomatic of a transactional model of higher education. 'Broadly speaking, there are students and administrators who treat higher education as a service industry: students are the customers, faculty are the service providers, admin are the managers,' he said.... Any faculty member who is tolerant of extensions and makeup tests—who, in other words, gives the customer what she asks for—will earn more rave reviews than a less indulgent colleague...."
From "Can Colleges Do Without Deadlines? Since covid, many professors have become more flexible about due dates. But some teachers believe that the way to address student anxiety is more deadlines, not fewer" by Jessica Winter (in The New Yorker).
September 11, 2024
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Well, the premise that "student anxiety" is professors' problem to solve seems flawed.
Arnold Kling recently gave the best description of American colleges and universities that I have seen in recent memory- that they are the utopian model of socialism.
It's amazing to me how young people have been completely hoodwinked into a massive lifelong debt spiral by these corrupt Colleges and Universities. Unless you are going for a job requiring this sort of an education (like doctor, or lawyer, or are scamming your local taxpayer by getting a PhD in Education) college is a way for the rich to impoverish and enslave young people. Don't go.
LOL go lurk at r/professors. Mostly libs-progressives making statements against interest. College is a shithow now.
In what other profession can you get caught doing MASSIVE plagarism, get fired from your College President gig, but still retain your professorship and make a 7-figure salary? Go look at where Harvard's President Gay is now working after getting fired from her job. She works at ... you guessed it ... Harvard!
Sure, relax deadlines, just make sure to get a job that doesn't have them either. Good news, fast food restaurants have quality metrics for time to order to providing food, so the college students won't have to worry about being qualified to work there.
The classes that fill the fastest are the generic requirement courses, such as History of Theater to check the humanities box. They're the worst of what a university offers: low effort, boring, brainless. It's backwards to consider them popular or give them a high ranking.
I think Kate's comment @8:20 is generally true, but I have to say, one of the best classes I ever took was History of the American West. That prof kept a classroom of people who were only there to check that Humanities box absolutely rapt for a semester. I wish I could remember his name... And I'm sure that class, even if he is still teaching it, is no longer the save class.
treat higher education as a service industry: students are the customers, faculty are the service providers, admin are the managers..
who wants to be the one to inform them, that higher education IS a service industry: students are the customers, faculty are the service providers, admin are the managers?
let's look at the counterfactual.. If higher education is NOT a service industry;
What IS it? i mean, besides a complete waste of time and money?
Because employers have been legally restricted from exercising judgment in hiring, they use things like grades and school ranking in their hiring decisions for young people.
Because grades and school rankings matter so much in the job market, students are discouraged from having stretch goals, they are punished for challenging themselves; instead they are rewarded for playing it safe.
Students are also incentivized to challenge very bad grade and fight for every point they can. Students will naturally gravitate towards teachers with a reputation for giving good grades and be angry with teachers who they feel grade harshly or unfairly
It's no good now complaining that the system works as it was designed to work.
I taught classes at the law school here in Oslo for over 20 years in a two semester program. We did evaluations every year, but before the final exam, which is a good safeguard against jaundiced feedback from disgruntled students or pandering from the teachers. I found the evaluations to be fair and helpful. BTW, as a grader, I was a tough A and an easy C.
the fact that modern universities are socialist piles of sh*t doesn't mean that they're NOT a service industry.. Only that they are a socialist service industry
A progression to the lowest common denominator ensures a Diverse, equivocal, and inept (DEI) population. Forward! And don't spare the "burden".
The way it was told to me by a high ranking admin at an enormous state school is that the university existed to mulct everyone there. The students were considered tourists to be fleeced until they graduated or dropped out, the professors were sharecroppers who were allowed to stay as long as they made profits for the school with grant money, the deans and VPs were overseers, and the plantation owner - the University President - was there to keep the Regents and state Legislature from interfering with operations, and to beg donations from alums. Little has changed in decades since.
One of the main reasons that I make my deadlines so flexible is not mentioned in the article (I don't think) - namely, a significant percentage of students have disabilities that require accommodation. If you try to set strict deadlines, you still have to legally extend those deadlines for students with these accommodations. And since mental health conditions like depression and anxiety qualify as disabilities that require accommodations, anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of my students qualify. It's easier just to make deadlines maximally flexible for all than to try to set hard deadlines and then keep track of all the accommodations.
I was born too early. No one cared about my "anixiety" when I went to college. Unlike my friends, I wasn't smart enough to goof around all semester and then "Cram" and get a A, I had to study and keep up. that was especially true in Calculus. I made the mistake of goofing off and I never caught up. I had to retake the class.
From reading this, College professors now do even less work than they did in the 80s. I thought was impossible but it seems to be true. Instead of learning college seems to be a teenage fun park - with leftwing politics.
Other change. My professors kept their politics out of the class, except for the occassional random joke and jab at Republicans. From talking to my daughter, almost every Professor spends 5 minutes of every class ranting about the current issues of the day.
Add to this that a sizable percentage of students now get "extra time" for exams and quizzes. Not exactly preparation for life.
" Only that they are a socialist service industry"
Universities (at least government universities) have the contours of fully Communist service industry - government owns the means of production, there are cadres of commissars to ensure alignment with government-favored ideology, totalitarian means of social control are regnant in student bodies and student policies, dissent is not tolerated, there is an unaccountable managerial elite that controls everything, and this elite thrives via substantial wealth transfers from the poor to the rich.
“There are students and administrators who treat higher education as a service industry: students are the customers, faculty are the service providers, admin are the managers.”
Yes. Just got my son settled in a Penn State. It's run like a resort. They all are. Students are paying customers/patrons. You must keep attracting more or business suffers.
Perhaps the greatest disservice that my college education and professors provided me was flexibility with my deadlines. The world isn't very flexible with such matters (certainly the government isn't!)--and they mistaught me when the gave me such latitude.
Higher education is more transactional because the costs are outrageous
Agree.
I had a similar experience. I neglected the homework in Calculus and got a C. It cost me my scholarship.
My sophomore year at college was the best five years of my life.
When I went to Michigan State they were on a ten week term system. Five weeks in was mid terms, ten weeks was finals. It had a rather "prodding effect" on me that from first day I was studying for the final, or starting research on the term paper. I was always ahead so that I never had to cram.
Having "drop dead" dates is helpful in focusing one's attention on priorities. Like I said about MSUs ten week terms, it focused me to my benefit.
Senator Blutarsky, is that you?
Since covid, many professors have become more flexible about due dates.
Good luck with finding flexible due dates in the real world. The company I retired from two years ago called me last week and offered me an insane (to me, anyway) amount of money to do a project for them that the guys they've got working for them now wouldn't be able to finish in time to meet... their deadline.
Blutarsky for President!
I got my BS in the 80's and grad school much later, but I would have to say that Profs, at least in Science and Engineering, are among the most hard working people I have seen. The work ethic is actually phenomenal.
When I was doing my research the profs would all be on campus in the labs at 11PM on Sunday night ( I was a student and had to show I was trying hard).
My favorites were the math guys who sat all evening in a dark office with a tiny desk lamp, a pencil and a stack of 11 x 17 copier paper.
Dixcus: see, for example, Michael Belliles. He was warned by people who actually understood inheritance law that his research was bullshit, but he ignored then, and the university abused them.
The truth came out in the end, but it cost us a boatload of money we couldn't afford, being graduate students. Academia is a nation of quisling cowards destroying everything true in the world. And they're all culpable, perhaps the comfortably silent the most.
I do agree with Josephbleu, but even that is soiled by identity politics now.
I would never have made it through engineering, economics, and finance without deadlines. I’m the ultimate procrastinator unless there are consequences. When I was an adjunct, I joked that you needed a death certificate to get a relaxation on a deadline.
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