September 13, 2024

"Harris, characteristically, has made a lawyerly assessment of pros and cons. She and her advisers have queried whether, given the limited number of ATACMS available..."

"... they might be more useful striking Russian targets in occupied Crimea — especially given intelligence reports that Russia has pulled its aircraft that target Ukraine back to bases beyond the missiles’ 300-kilometer range. Another concern for the Harris team is whether the Russians might retaliate by giving long-range missiles to adversaries, such as the Houthis in Yemen, further threatening Red Sea shipping and perhaps Israel.... Lawyers have played a decisive role in national security policy — from Dean Acheson to Jake Sullivan. Harris would sustain that long line of lawyerly balancers and trimmers who weigh risks and benefits before they take action. She might turn a page in our domestic life, but not so much in foreign policy."

Writes David Ignatius, in "These people have seen Harris in the Situation Room. Here’s what they have to say. Harris is 'more hard-line than most people think,' says a retired four-star general who has briefed her many times" (WaPo)(free-access link).

Ignatius assumes we understand what "trimmers" are — "lawyerly balancers and trimmers." There are a lot of meanings to the word "trim," including distracting slang usages (see Urban Dictionary). But, relying on the OED, I've got to choose the nautical meaning: "To distribute the load of (a ship or boat) so that it floats on an even keel." There's also: "To adjust (the sails or yards) with reference to the direction of the wind and the course of the ship, so as to obtain the greatest advantage." But the load distribution metaphor is the one that has been used in politics. The OED has a separate entry for "trimmer," and meaning #5 is expressly political: 
One who trims between opposing parties in politics, etc.; hence, one who inclines to each of two opposite sides as interest dictates. Applied originally in this sense to Lord Halifax and those associated with him (1680–90), but by him accepted in the sense ‘one who keeps even the ship of state’; hence ‘one who changes sides to balance parties’ (Johnson).

Let's find out more about Lord Halifax (Wikipedia):

His intellectual powers, his high character, his urbanity, vivacity and satirical humour made a great impression on his contemporaries, and many of his witty sayings have been recorded. Maintaining throughout his career a detachment from party, he never acted permanently or continuously with either of the two great factions, and exasperated both in turn by deserting their cause at the moment when their hopes seemed on the point of realisation. To them he appeared weak, inconstant, untrustworthy. But the principle which chiefly influenced his political action, that of compromise, differed essentially from those of both parties, and his attitude with regard to the Whigs or Tories was thus by necessity continually changing. Thus the regency scheme, which Halifax had supported while Charles still reigned, was opposed by him with perfect consistency at the revolution. He readily accepted for himself the character of a "trimmer," desiring, he said, to keep the boat steady, while others attempted to weigh it down perilously on one side or the other; and he concluded his tract with these assertions: "that our climate is a Trimmer between that part of the world where men are roasted and the other where they are frozen; that our Church is a Trimmer between the frenzy of fanatic visions and the lethargic ignorance of Popish dreams; that our laws are Trimmers between the excesses of unbounded power and the extravagance of liberty not enough restrained; that true virtue hath ever been thought a Trimmer, and to have its dwelling in the middle between two extremes; that even God Almighty Himself is divided between His two great attributes, His Mercy and His Justice. In such company, our Trimmer is not ashamed of his name. . . ."

120 comments:

Roger This said...

So she's acting President now?? Didn't see the memo.

Ralph L said...

Sister help to trim the sail, hallelujah

narciso said...

War inside the russian republic inconceivable

Wince said...

"I've got some trim coming at twelve."

RCOCEAN II said...

So, she'd be like Dean Acheson because they were both lawyers. Yeah, that's the key to dealing with Putin - show him your law degree. Just words to hide that fact that Kamala - as VP - was kept out of the loop and has little or no input on foreign affairs. Too bad our Press is so biased, I'd love to see her given the "Palin treatment" and have someone grill her about foreign affairs.

Rusty said...

Why are these people hell bent on getting us in a shooting war?

Dixcus said...

Trim is exactly how Kamala Harris worked her way into politics starting on Willie Brown's shaft.

Dixcus said...

You didn't hear about the coup? It was in all the papers.

Dixcus said...

It's all a feint. They want Trump to come out against it, so they can say he's a "Russian asset."

Wince said...

Lawyers have played a decisive role in national security policy — from Dean Acheson to Jake Sullivan. Harris would sustain that long line of lawyerly balancers and trimmers who weigh risks and benefits before they take action. She might turn a page in our domestic life, but not so much in foreign policy."

Those were advisors, not the commander in chief. Notice the future tense applied to Harris as president.

Amadeus 48 said...

Yeah. She's great. I believe every word...

We are in deep trouble and it could get worse.

rhhardin said...

Hearsay with opposite evidence.

PB said...

Characteristically ? where has she demonstrated this in he past? she was a mediocre lawyer. she was a bad manager of lawyers. she was a bad manager of staff overall. she accomplished none of the tasks assigned to her as VP. shej believes every proven falsehood of the Democrat liturgy.

ignatius writes fiction.

Kate said...

Bombing Russian targets in Crimea is not the action of someone working to keep an even keel. That's a full starboard maneuver.

Amadeus 48 said...

Consider the character of Trimmer in Evelyn Waugh's Sword of Honor trilogy.

Aggie said...

Is that Lord Halifax? He looks like he has a weak chin, but on the other hand, he also looks like he's packing. I've got some reading to do, Thank You Ms. Althouse !

Iman said...

Distribute the Load of Crap.

narciso said...

This one is not labeled so

Zavier Onasses said...

Did I miss the day when Presidential authority was transferred to Harris? Did Biden resign or get booted?

Or is this just another "close your eyes, hold your nose, try not to think about what Government is doing with the sovereign power over your property, your liberty, and your life?"

n.n said...

Attacks on Crimea by the post-coup regimes in Kiev is how this civil war was birthed and evolved in other areas of Ukraine, which prompted Russian defense and participation to mitigate progress, but escalated through Obama/Biden-led support in a Slavic Spring.

n.n said...

Harris has characteristically avoided answering questions, shared/shifted responsibility, and prosecuted her interests at the fringe of Democratic politics.

doctrev said...

Excellent. ATACMS against hardened targets in Crimea would be wise, as opposed to letting NarcoFuhrer attack Russian nuclear plants.

But I don't care. This retarded jez can't get through a debate or interview without being handed the questions. Putin is likely to mince her. But then, President Trump would greatly decrease the possibility of nuclear warfare consuming the West, so he is the safest choice.

Maynard said...

I find it interesting that one can fail the bar exam and still eventually become a lawyer.

n.n said...

#MeToo, #HerToo, #SheProgressed was exposed and prematurely aborted when leftists were hoisted by their Fani h/t petard. I wonder how many women will want to follow Kamala et al's evolution of her authentic selfie.

planetgeo said...

A characterization not supported by actual evidence of past words and actions. And in fact contrary to that evidence.

Zavier Onasses said...

But since we are talking about Lord Halifax etc., let us remember that the Stuarts - from James I through James II - were deep Devine Right of Kings believers. The Law is exactly whatever the King says the Law is.

James I, on his leisurely trip from Scotland to assume the throne in 1603, wanted a cut-purse found among the followers be summarily hanged; no trial nor legal process.

Charles I freely and frequently lied to the People. His word meant nothing.

Charles II was a paid agent of a foreign power (France) and equally lied to the People.

James II ignored Law and Precedent to tamper with Parliamentary elections.

Any of this sound familiar?

Gilbert Pinfold said...

Ah, another member of the clan!

lamech said...

See previous Althouse post on "trimers"
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unsung-heroes-trimmers.html

Based on the linked post and the current one, I don't think that the cargo usage is the necessarily the most apt, at least not to the exclusion of the sails being trimmed as well.

From the 2016 post: "On a small boat, the trimmer is the fellow who moves to the side of the boat that is highest. His weight puts the boat back on the straight and level."
The "fellow" moving his weight is not "cargo", and the movement itself can affect the trim of the sails, on a small boat.

The following OED definition may be the most apt: "One who trims; one who repairs, adjusts, makes neat or smart, etc.; spec. (a) a tailor's, dressmaker's, or milliner's assistant; (b) a finisher in coach-making; (c) (see quots. 1875, 1891.) Often as second element, as in hat-trimmer, etc." . The thought of MAD hat trimmer came to mind, one who just wants the war to be [appear] neat and smart.

Ridiculous that the U.S. is this openly active, at this high level, at execution of a hot war with a nuclear power! Never a real serious public debate on this, except how much U.S. taxpayer money we spend.

Dogma and Pony Show said...

Fidel Castro was a lawyer.

Breezy said...

Again, trying to convince us about how someone behaves behind closed doors when what we see out front is the opposite. She lies, she panders, she recites from memory, she doesn’t understand basic causes and effects, she laughs inappropriately, she’s unserious, she doesn’t care about preserving human life, and she has no business being anywhere near the Situation Room, let alone the Oval office.

Narr said...

As much as I loathe lawyers as a class, the truth is that this country was largely founded by lawyers and that some of our best presidents and cabinet members were lawyers.

OTOH, some of our best presidents etc never laid eyes on a law book.

narciso said...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-09-13/donald-trumps-lies

Bruce Hayden said...

It’s just amazing how venal this war is. Obama/Biden installed the Ukrainian government. Biden protected its corrupt creation, by threatening to cut off US aid, and then his family took bribes from their installed Ukrainian government for all that. And since returning to power, Biden and the Dems have continued to prop up that government. On a proportional basis, the Ukrainians have managed to hurt the Russians worse than they have been hurt. Except that the two countries don’t have equivalent populations or GDPs. The Ukraine is facing demographic collapse, after a large percentage of breeding age males have been fed into the meat grinder of fighting the Russians. This war, that has cost many $billions$ to fight, and killed hundreds of thousands, started and perpetuated to make its leaders and the Bidens rich.

JK Brown said...

Trump's advantage has been he is not a lawyer or law school graduate. Unlike the others since Reagan was in office.

From Tips My Dad Says: (makezine.com)

"My father (a lawyer) told me, "Company culture is driven from the top - if it's the people who make the product, you're good; sell the product, you're ok; if the accountants take over, look for another job; and if the lawyers take over, run as fast as you can!" - Alden Hart


We should remember Truman's request for a "one-handed economist" and the same applies to lawyers. Remember it was the lawyers that bogged down Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

Gusty Winds said...

Yesterday Putin gave clear warning that long range missiles launched from Ukraine, but guided by US or NATO satellites would be considered a major escalation. Of course the US and NATO are flirting with the idea.

Does anybody believe Harris would resist any of the escalation desires of those trying to install her? We just spent the last three years accepting the guy in charge [Biden] wasn't actually in charge. She's gonna take over?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Ah the Deep State's stenographer makes his occasional appearance here. How interesting, just when she needed her NatSec bonafides bolstered. HARD PASS.

Deevs said...

What distinguishes an assessment of pros and cons as lawyerly?

Peachy said...

All of this is complete bullshit

Peachy said...

Did Liz Cheney write that?

Iman said...

In Caliunicornia, prisoners with dental issues can’t get a root canal or a crown, an extraction is all they’ll do. Even if the prisoner has money to pay for a root canal and/or crown, an extraction is always the answer.

But in Caliunicornia, the system will gladly wack off a male prisoner’s willy and make him a faux female, all at taxpayer expense. Kamala Harris championed this. Her ”values haven’t changed”.

Christopher B said...

Not from the OED but also political in nature is this definition of 'trim'

"modify one's attitude in order to stand well with all sides" (1680s, noted as a canting word c. 1700)

Also, colloquially, it's often synonymous with "cutting your losses" by abandoning a previously held position.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I'd love to see her given the "Palin treatment" and have someone grill her about foreign affairs. Dude! A very deadpan comedy feel to that.

Bruce Hayden said...

Sure, Adams, Jefferson, and Lincoln were lawyers. But so were Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and I will suggest that they, alone more than compensate for all the good that our early lawyer/Presidents ever did.

And yes, I was a lawyer, as was my father and brother.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

True. He hasn't common sense pounded out of him by the imposition of law school and politics.

boatbuilder said...

David Ignatius lets us know what the CIA wants us to think.

gilbar said...

we are Already IN shooting wars.. Numerous ones.

Iman said...

Like in Lion King, Mufasa dies and the Laughing Hyena tries to assume control.

gilbar said...

who's this "Biden" you're talking about? i'm guessing he was some old 20th century dude?
We, as a Nation; have to Rally Together, and vote Trump OUT OF OFFICE..
Look at how horrible his second term has been!
we NEED Change! and Need the Democrat Party BACK in power!!

Peachy said...

Gearing the dumb public up for war-machine Ukrianian-Dem-Grift - Kamala.

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Big Mike said...

Do I brlieve anything David Ignatius writes that reflects positively on a Democrat or negatively on a Republican? Why no, as a matter of fact I do not.

Biff said...

"Harris would sustain that long line of lawyerly balancers and trimmers who weigh risks and benefits before they take action."

Note also the implicit elitist assumption that military professionals who have spent their careers facing life and death consequences do not "weigh risks and benefits before they take action." Presumably, only people with law degrees (preferably from a very select few law schools) can be trusted to do such important things.

Yancey Ward said...

Weapons provided and shot by NATO personnel is a de facto act of war if the missiles hit Russian territory. To date, we have finessed this issue by pretending that Crimea isn't really Russian territory. This pretense doesn't work, however, if the proposed escalation uses these systems to target long-recognized Russian territory. You can claim all you want that Russian and its citizens deserve to be hit by these missiles to bring the war home to them personally but you then don't get to complain if the Russians hit back twice as hard putting us on the direct path to nuclear annihilation.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

So I guess it wasn't Creepy Joe leading those meetings and being on top of it all, it was Dumbala. Sure, I believe that like I believe Creepy Joe was sharp as a tack. This kind of horseshit that only the most devoted slave to the Party can swallow is further proof that Dumbala has no business being president.

Ann Althouse said...

"See previous Althouse post on "trimers""

Thanks!

n.n said...

To take a knee, or not to take a knee, she progressed. That said, feminists are from Venus, masculinists from Mars, and social progressives from Uranus.

Ann Althouse said...

"Based on the linked post and the current one, I don't think that the cargo usage is the necessarily the most apt, at least not to the exclusion of the sails being trimmed as well. From the 2016 post: "On a small boat, the trimmer is the fellow who moves to the side of the boat that is highest. His weight puts the boat back on the straight and level." The "fellow" moving his weight is not "cargo", and the movement itself can affect the trim of the sails, on a small boat.'"

You introduced the word "cargo." The OED and my discussion of it uses the word "load," so that can include the people on the boat.

I was familiar with the meaning relating to sails, but the OED's examples (as well as its definition) are all about the load of the ship.

Skeptical Voter said...

I don't know about trimming--but with Harris on the bridge as captain our national vessel will surely hit a mine or get torpedoed and sunk.

Narr said...

Could be. Lawyers: Jackson, Polk, TR, Wilson, FDR, Nixon. Non-lawyers: Grant, Harding, Hoover, Truman, Ike, Johnson, Carter, Reagan, Bush I and his idiot son.

Mixed bags both.

TreeJoe said...

So now we are openly talking about how the Biden-Harris Admin have gotten us into a cold war with Russia (and Iran) but we aren't talking about how Biden-Harris have us directly fighting Russia (and Iran) through Proxy war - i.e. back to cold war?

In the debate, one point I haven't heard is that Kamala clearly enunciated her belief that borders should stay as-is and the U.S. should be involved in protecting other nations borders.

That's an incredibly dangerous "value"

Temujin said...

Here they come. The David Ignatius (and others) articles telling us how ready she is, how strategic her thinking, how dynamic her team will be. Telling us to forget everything you've seen of Kamala Harris for years, forget every speech and every incompetent action or statement over decades now.

It's striking that in her lawyerly pose she doesn't see fit to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove the Beach Dweller and send him permanently to...well...the beach. She can just slip into meetings with the Joint Chiefs to discuss World War III, or not, and our illustrious journalist from the paper of record in the nation's capital will not only go along with it, but turn it into a shimmering Thomas Kinkade-like image, glossy, sparkling, almost radiating with Leadership skills. It's almost enough to make one vomit in their mouth.

As for lawyers playing a decisive role in national security policy, that is true- for better or for worse, we have been run by lawyers. Jake Sullivan is notable, not only for getting a promotion to National Security Advisor after it was well known that he was a key amplifier of the Trump-as-Russian-agent bullshit. After pronouncing the Steele dossier as authentic, and passing it around when he worked for The Hillary. And once he had new new position as Nat Sec Advisor he, in his wisdom, declared that "the Middle East Region is quieter today than it has been in two decades". One week later was October 7. Which speaks to he and his team's reading of the entire region, not to think of the world.

So you'll forgive me if I don't view Jake Sullivan, lawyer and all, as an answer to National Security. Not to mention paring him up with Antony Blinken and hoping for the best. Not to mention the judgement used in putting people of this competence and character level in these positions. How's your world looking today, people?

As for David Ignatius, he may be today best known as the recipient of the leaks from The White House over the years. He's the go-to guy for the career politicos who want specific info out- true or not. And he's the go-to guy when the FBI or CIA want something put out there. Like maybe Hunter's laptop is Russian born.

So...it's another election season. David Ignatius has his paint brushes out, his What's App on ready, and his glossy yellow colors for Kamala, dark brooding reds for Trump on his palette.

Leland said...

Where is the elected Commander and Chief in making these decisions? Do the American people get a vote before we get a leader that pushes us to war with a major nuclear adversary?

lamech said...

True, I did add the word cargo. I believe I read that in other definitions, which I did not and do not cite.
Are you calling the fellow who moves to the side of the boat -- a load? kidding, noting I kept away from word play re "trim".

I also think keeping load balance can be viewed as a matter of static balance whereas the sail trimmer usage, implies also reaching a destination most efficiently, which is probably highly relevant in political usage.

In the end, I think the two usages are interrelated, as a matter of the physics of sailing, and understanding the usage in political contexts.

mindnumbrobot said...

I pray this is just a made up story fed to Ignatius to dutifully regurgitate for one of his typical puff pieces. If not, we're in deep shit.

As for all the nautical lingo, it puts me in the mood to watch Master and Commander. Highly underrated movie IMHO.

Michael K said...

Nor does that " four star General ".

Money Manger said...

As a long-time institutional investor, one of my standing rules was to never invest in the equity of a company whose CEO was a lawyer.

Michael K said...

Boeing and Ford being prime examples.

Robert Cook said...

Were you as outraged at Bush/Cheney, who took into TWO unnecessary and criminal shooting wars (Afghanistan and Iraq, if you've forgetten)?

Michael K said...

And while the lawyers are weighing risks and benefits, the military is kicking the shit out of them.

PM said...

Sounds like he "unbriefed her many times."

Dr Weevil said...

Here (Twitter link) is a convenient list of the ten previous "red lines" Putin warned us not to cross, and what he did when they were crossed. For those too lazy to follow a link, he did nothing. He's bluffing, because words and lies are all he has now. Too bad they work on a lot of Americans, some of them in the White House.

Narayanan said...

what exactly is 'lawyer' that contrast >
Adams, Jefferson, and Lincoln were lawyers. vs
so were Clinton, Obama, and Biden, ?
Ideal v instrumental?

Lazarus said...

Almost as old as Lord Halifax -- David Ignatius's father Paul, LBJ's last Secretary of the Navy, at 103 years old. David Ignatius is regarded by some people as the CIA's man at WaPo (or one of CIA's many conduits and assets at the paper).

It's a stretch to think that Dean Acheson and Jake Sullivan have anything in common, but it was Acheson who gave a speech excluding South Korea from our security zone, a speech which some believe encouraged the North Koreans to attack.

Lawyers aren't necessary smarter and more judicious than other people. Indeed, they may be more dithering and more focused on non-essential and unrealistic aspects of a problem. If Harris is both lawyerly and hardline, those characteristics may not balance out but rather give her two different ways of misjudging situations.

Of course, I didn't like Bush and Cheney getting us into the Iraq War. Who did? The Afghanistan involvement at least had the pretext that we were going after Bin Laden. There wasn't much to be said for the Iraq invasion, and few defend Bush at this point. Even Bush himself doesn't.

Narayanan said...

is pros and cons same as cost/benefits?

hombre said...

She admits to having been in the room when Biden planned to cut and run from Afghanistan. Very lawyerly from both.

Earnest Prole said...

Kamala Harris most resembles Hillary Clinton, a supposed radical lawyer who ended up selling her soul to the highest bidder and serving as a reliable handmaiden to American Empire.

Narr said...

I replied to Bruce and saw it, but now it's gone. I'll wait a while and check back.

Okham's cleaver suggests that the blog is being buggered of a purpose. It's enough to make one think that Someone pays attention to what goes on here.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...
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NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

@Narr; I doubt it. There's stuff still up in the comments on numerous posts that would have been disappeared long ago if the blog was being monitored. Also, I've had a couple of rather anodyne comments of mine disappear, so I put it down to just really shitty coding to ward off spammers.

I have noticed that one thing that seems to trigger it is multiple posts within X time period. Now, I just need to suss out what X is. [Edited for clarity. ]

Narr said...

Give Bush and Chickenhawk Cheney some credit for creativity: they invented the Crusade for the Benefit of Muzzie Fanatics and set the Blob on the course it has pursued since, regardless of which wing of the Uniparty is in the White House.

Drago said...

Ignatius was also at the center of the Russia Collusion hoax/Steele Hoax dossier.

stlcdr said...

Since there's no such thing as international law, a lawyers opinion on what can be done in the international arena is just as valid as a that of a janitor.

mccullough said...

Harris flunked the bar, like Hillary and Michelle. Stupid lawyers maje really poor decisions.

mccullough said...

Good call. Also don’t invest in publicly traded companies controlled by a family. Ford Motor is a good example.

Drago said...
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Drago said...

Robert Cook, obliviously per usual, asks his very dumb question regarding Bush/Cheney taking us into unnecessary wars.

Did Cook happen to miss the rise of the anti-Forever War establishment policicies that helped fuel the first Trump campaign in 2015/16?

And that was several years in the building up. I can personally attest, well, online attest, for what thats worth, that serious questions regarding the War on Terror (dumbest, vaguest, call to arms ever) were being raised by military members themselves in the first Bush admin. It just took a few more years for those questions to turn critical mass in questioning "the experts".

Remember Trump arguing with Jeb directly over this, in the strongest terms, in the republican primary debates.

Iman said...

‘Note that the moderators were, by rules, not permitted to comment or "fact"-check. Their role was only to keep the debate civil and "facilitate discussion."

Once again, they broke the rules they agreed to.

The media can never be trusted to "moderate" a debate again. No rules worked out with them beforehand will be honored. They will always claim a "higher devotion to 'The Truth (TM)” which only leftwing c*nts can divine.’

—— Ace (AoS)

Duty of Inquiry said...

Has she ever been in court. Ever argued a case. Does she have a won lost record. Is there video of her questioning a witness, or addressing a jury.

gadfly said...

George Will is right on target with this opinion:

The past eight years have illustrated the impossibility of having just one healthy party. If one of them, drunk on 100-proof grievance populism, careens into a ditch, the other, sensing an opportunity to go on a bender of condescending progressivism, finds its own ditch. (“Are you deplorables too dense to understand that your cars, stoves, air conditioners, and hamburgers are murdering the planet?”)

If in 2028 Democrats have held the presidency for eight years, and for four years Republicans have stopped inhaling Trump’s fetid fumes, the momentous contest for the Republicans’ 2028 nomination will decide: Will meaningful two-party politics suddenly be restored by the revival of traditional conservatism?


That will be the day!

Narr said...

You're probably right, NOTOOO. OTOH, just making it difficult and frustrating to comment--regardless of content--while retaining plausible deniability, could very well appeal to a certain type of coder.

Rabel said...

Behind the closed doors of the Situation Room she's SNL Reagan, not the blithering idiot she appears to be.

Ignatius has written a Fairy Tale for the children.

boatbuilder said...

Cookie--I wasn't outraged then. Hindsight being 20-20 (or so they say--I'm thinking it's more like 20/50 at best), I'm no longer so sure that it was the right way to go about things.
How about you. I'm sure that you were "outraged" by Bush/Cheney. How do you feel about the Obama/Biden/Harris/Cheney war policies? Shouldn't you be "outraged," and happy to welcome the supporters of Trump into the antiwar movement?

boatbuilder said...

On a small boat, everyone is a "trimmer." Except the incompetent, who are known as "ballast."

effinayright said...

In almost all states passing the bar exam is a condition to being a licensed lawyer.

EXCEPT lefty Wisconsin: "Diploma Privilege": Graduates from the University of Wisconsin Law School and Marquette University Law School can become licensed to practice in Wisconsin without taking the bar exam. This is known as the "diploma privilege." ---per chatGPT

So Kamala must have eventually passed the California bar, one of the nation's toughest bar exams.

But that makes you wonder: how could she be smart enough to pass that exam, while being a mediocre lawyer at best? Maybe a little "nudge" to the Bar examiners by Willie Brown to let her in?

I've also wondered about the Obamas---did they reallly pass the Illinois exam, or did that notoriously lefty and corrupt state quietly deliver a whole lot of "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" to them?

(but just to wave off a meme that they both had to "surrender" their licenses over an unspecified offense: NO. They both went "inactive" to avoid having to pay dues, attend refresher courses and perform pro bono----all reasonable once they got into national politics and moved to DC.)

boatbuilder said...

George Will is still alive. Who knew?

boatbuilder said...

Lawyers may be the one class of people who don't get offended when people categorically slander them. (I am one myself). Hell, lawyers tell the best lawyer jokes.

"Don't try to understand women, Son. Women understand women, and they hate each other."
--Al Bundy

tcrosse said...

If by traditional conservatism you mean rule by a coterie of rich Ivy Leaguers and Wall Streeters, the Democrats have co-opted you.

Earnest Prole said...

Q: You’re locked in a cell with Hitler, Stalin, and a lawyer. You’ve got a pistol loaded with two bullets. What do you do?

A: Shoot the lawyer. Twice.

Aggie said...

....'lawyers tell the best lawyer jokes....'

Guy is sitting in a biker bar, despondent after his divorce: His wife hired a first-class, big-city, cut-throat divorce lawyer and basically got everything except for a few shreds of pubic hair and a junker car. The guy, getting drunk, slams his glass down and says loudly, 'F*ck It ! Lawyers are *ssholes !'

A well-muscled, bald-headed, rough-looking biker, a foot taller than our guy, Throws his cue stick down, runs over, picks him up, and slams him back down on his barstool, and cuffs him one. 'Take that sh*t back, dude, or I'll chain-whip yuz ! !'

The guys stammers out an apology, 'Geex I'm sorry, what - are you a lawyer ?'

The bald-headed biker stomps off and sez NO ! I'm an *sshole !'

Luke Lea said...

So she's hawkish on Ukraine. Do we really want her in the White House making the calls?

tcrosse said...

It's unlikely that Management would allow her to make any serious decisions.

minnesota farm guy said...

I seriously doubt whether Harris or any of her "advisers" have a clue about the impact of military operations. I am still convinced that before Biden/Harris leave office (I pray) they will have blundered into another war somewhere. As far as I can tell the Democrats never seem to be happy unless they have 18 year olds dying on the battlefield.

mccullough said...

After she finally passed the bar exam she got a handful of convictions against some good rats for possession of dime bags.

mccullough said...

There hasn’t been a conservative president since Coolidge. George Will is a douche bag. Another Washington barnacle who is pissed he is irrelevant.

JIM said...

Why are there no prominent Democrats calling for a cease-fire leading to a peace agreement between Ukraine-Russia?
Is this article just a counter to Trump's allegation Harris set Russia into motion with a reckless comment about Ukraine and NATO?
Or is it just GIRL BOSS posing?

n.n said...

The first Iraq war started during Bush Sr, defered with a ceasefire sustained under Clinton, concluded with Bush Jr after Powell presented several reasons to certify that the ceasefire was not a viable choice. The second Iraq war was waged through an Iranian proxy after premature withdrawal of forces and funded with Obama's release of disputed funds, which also payed for Hamas's murder, rape, rape-rape, torture-torture, and abduction spree in Israel.

n.n said...

The Jewish Spring in Obama/Biden/Clinton's World War [ethnic] Spring in progress.

Mikey NTH said...

As in "trim your sails to the prevailing wind". It isn't a compliment. It's like Groucho's "These are my principles, if you don't like them I have others."

Rosalyn C. said...

There is a term used to describe a person's instinctive reaction to stress or what skills they use to strive -- Conation
"In the philosophy of mind, and in psychology, conation refers to the ability to apply intellectual energy to a task to achieve its completion or reach a solution. Conation may be distinguished from other mental phenomena, particularly cognition, and sensation, and has been described as 'neglected' in comparison with these phenomena." wiki
A scientist named Kolbe devised a test to determine a person's conative tendencies in four main areas: fact finder, follow through, quick start, implementor. The idea is that if an employer knows what the instinctive nature of an employee is, the employer can make better choices in hiring or placement.
For example, a lawyer would most likely have a strong score as a fact finder. They want to have all the research in order to make a decision.
An entrepreneur on the other hand would likely have a high score as a quick start. That is, they are a person that would likely be better handling risk and uncertainty. They are more likely to try things out, experiment. With experience they instinctly know how to deal with complex difficult situations.
I don't know how Trump or Harris would score but my guess is that Trump would be high in the quick start category while Harris would be more of a fact finder.
This angle leads me to believe that Trump (an entrepreneur) has been successful because he doesn't need to have all the facts in order to make a good decision. He is more of a leader, someone who creates, deals with uncertainty and is quick to make adjustments when something doesn't work.
Harris, a lawyer, has succeeded in situations which are based on analysis of facts. She will therefore tend to lead from behind, to make predictable choices based on what has been done in the past, to be certain she must feel she is right because she has all the information, and she's slow to correct mistakes, because that means she was wrong, her analysis was wrong.
A lot of people at the comments at the Washington Post seem to prefer Harris who makes them feel comfortable.
I really prefer someone who is more creative and innovative.

narciso said...

Ignatius was very good in his debut agents of influence, where he interviewed the lebanese intel officers who knew Robert Ames, some of his later books

narciso said...

were still good SIRO even Body of Lies was still prety good, but he lost the plot at some point,

cassandra lite said...

Remember when she claimed to have seen the maps of the Philadelphi corridor and knew there was nowhere for the people of Gaza to go? Someone's not telling the truth about her perspicacity.

Narr said...

"How could she be smart enough to pass that exam, while being a mediocre lawyer at best?"

IIUC, to practice in CA you have to pass the bar exam. That means that every mediocre lawyer in CA did, not just her.

chuck said...

Gosh, she is so smart she is practically a Republican.

Bruce Hayden said...

My point was, that in recent years, from my point of view, lawyer Presidents were the worst elected. Maybe, much earlier, lawyers made excellent Presidents. Not so much any more.

Narr said...

And hours later, there's my comment . . .

I get it, Bruce, and can't argue the point.

chickelit said...

Harris is more a fluffer than a trimmer.

TaeJohnDo said...

Willie Brown said she was good trim. IYKWIMAITYD.

Josephbleau said...

A four star gen reminisces about Kamala in the war room, “ the effective range of a jdam fired from an air carrier platform is squat compared to even the soviet era atamgd’s, colonel, so why don’t you pull your head out of your ass and get some demographics on the women, children, and minorities present in the free fire zone you idiot.

I am not going to be here every minute and i am very afraid you are going to fuck this up magnificently! “ Said Kamala, the hardened prosecutorical warrior.

Zev said...

How stupid does one have to be to believe this spin