June 20, 2024

"New Emerson College Polling/The Hill state polls find former President Donald Trump with a slight edge on President Joe Biden in..."

"... Arizona (47% to 43%), Georgia (45% to 41%), Wisconsin (47% to 44%) Nevada (46% to 43%), Pennsylvania (47% to 45%), and Michigan (46% to 45%), while Biden splits with Trump in Minnesota (45% to 45%)."


It's that last one that caught my eye: They're tied in Minnesota now?!

89 comments:

Greg the Class Traitor said...

In 2016, Trump lost by ~1.3%. Egg McMuffin (sorry, I no longer remember his name) got 1.5% of the vote

The DFL Party has been working hard to convince WWC males to stop voting D. It's not really that surprising that they're succeeding

rehajm said...

I’ll give credit to fivethirtyeight who elegantly illustrated this post with their snake graph. Should be one of the historic bests…

…if MN is where the snake gets divided that’s not a ‘slight’ lead. In. a fair election Biden’s camp would be in BIG trouble…

Dave Begley said...

The Dems will still the MN vote like they have for the past four decades.

rehajm said...

MN muzzies don’t care for their side’s lack of decisiveness in ending Jews…

Michel said...

It's summertime. As long as I can remember the Democrat candidate seems to surge in summer. Ignore the polls now; wait for the first one after Labor Day.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Those MN numbers are moving slowly, like a glacier, and not the way Dark Brandon wants them to.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Bobby K has pointed out that the MN delegation in the U.S. House is now 50/50. I checked, and that's true of the state legislature as well.

Enigma said...

Barring election fraud, would Trump would win all 50 states? Will he top Reagan in 1984 in winning 49 states when Mondale won 1?

He he.

[If the Black and Jewish vote for Trump is anywhere near 40% to 50%, the old political era is truly dead.]

Tacitus said...

If first Virginia and now Minnesota are actually in play the it's Game Over. The Dems bet everything on Lawfare and lost. Harping on it now will just turn Trump into Nelson Mandela. Biden is at his worst when he is tired, distracted and angry. That's going to be his status quo from now on.

I expect some truly desperate and vile stuff from the DNC in the weeks ahead.

T

RideSpaceMountain said...

"The Dems bet everything on Lawfare and lost..... I expect some truly desperate and vile stuff from the DNC in the weeks ahead."

Juan Marchan is going to hand Trump a prison term. Watch. Then the fireworks...

narciso said...

so its a poll of registered voters, which used to be less reliable, but with the ballot avalanche,

Humperdink said...

On the downside, vote counters in MN have Biden up by 7.

Coop said...

I’m so glad I live in Texas and not one of the battleground states. The unending advertisements and hyperfocus on those areas would drive me to move.

I imagine we’ll see Trumps overall support dip a bit in the national polls as the Biden machine amps up nationally but will hold roughly the same with +/- 1-2% depending on the news cycles all the way to the October surprise for each candidate, one of which will be suppressed and the other will be amplified 24/7 on the nets/cable.

God love all of ya’ll in those states!

Josephbleau said...

America loves the fighting underdog, yet Beiden has gotten wealth and power the lazy man’s way. Yes, Trump inherited some capital but worked hard in dealing with Unions and government bosses over decades in construction and became an entertainment exec on his own.

Beiden made it on selling foreign people our own government’s power.

The democrats saw an opportunity to rule forever by supporting the blm movement, they supported criminals and regularized shoplifting, they oversaw a massive cash transfer to people who broke immigration law, now they hate Jews. Who thought this would work? Regular people don’t want weirdos in charge who make their lives suck. Blue city people don’t want to live in Castro’s Cuba. Canadians no longer want to live in Trudeau’s obliviousness.

The pendulum has two extreme points.

Joe Smith said...

"They're tied in Minnesota now?!"

Don't you mean Mogadishu?

narciso said...

the rural area, to the west and south, probably balance the urban core,

gilbar said...

truly only a slight edge.. well within The Margin of Fraud

CJinPA said...

Hopefully Trump doesn't scare the crap out of everyone in the debate(s).

DanTheMan said...

I would like to see the broken down into categories such as:
"Registered voters"
"Likely voters"
"Photocopier votes"

Biden will have a commanding lead in that last demographic.

Yancey Ward said...

Again, in the state polls Trump is running 10+% from what he and Biden polled in 2020 at the same time- this has held for two months now.

Achilles said...

In order to come up with these numbers they have to massively oversample from specific area codes.

These “polls” are complete garbage meant to cover up for mail in vote fraud. Many of the people polled are not even legal voters.

Trump wins 80 million to 55 million with paper ballots and voter id.

gilbar said...

Coop said...
I’m so glad I live in Texas and not one of the battleground states

i live in iowa, and am used to being pelted with ads every day.. each day.

But NOT today. In today's Brave New World, adverts in iowa are non existent;
something about Trump being up by 50 points or something.. It's Weird not being in a battleground

CJinPA said...

Must be noted that Trump's support among Independents dropped from 54% to 48% since May. Biden improved from 42% to 50%. This could be because of the conviction. Maybe it won't be permanent.

traditionalguy said...

So who is the VP that inherits MAGA in 2028? Somebody ask AI.



narciso said...

does that make sense, no I don't think so,

Enigma said...

@CJinPA: Must be noted that Trump's support among Independents dropped from 54% to 48% since May. Biden improved from 42% to 50%.

What was the margin of error? Polls typically vary by 3% or 4% every time they are conducted. A 6% to 8% change in ONE poll is barely a blip.

What was the source? Some organizations oversample a specific group per statistical estimates/models or because the person paying the bills wants a certain outcome.

See RCP and the pattern of polls in the battleground states.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

PrimoStL said...

traditionalguy said, "So who is the VP that inherits MAGA in 2028? Somebody ask AI."

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I think Trump goes with Vance or Burgum, and while I'm sure either would run, I would hope that Hawley, Rand, or DeSantis would be the ones to carry the banner forward. If Trump wins in November, expect a crowded field in 2028, from momentum alone if for no other reason.

Old and slow said...

Those election officials have their work cut out for them this year. I have every confidence that will manage it!

Tom T. said...

The NY Post is reporting that Trump is way up in NY (although the state is still not in play): "Trump trails Biden by just 8% in NY — surge of support among black, Jewish voters."

I didn't notice the comma at first and wondered how many black Jewish voters there could possibly be.

Mr Wibble said...

Sienna has Biden up by 8 in New York. In 2020, it was Biden +25.

Mr Wibble said...

"So who is the VP that inherits MAGA in 2028? Somebody ask AI."

The GOP is dead after 2024. Trump will be the last hurrah of the party, the last time you'll get all sides aligned. I expect that by 2028 there will be a new party, which means that anything is possible.

narciso said...

they play all sorts of games, did they use the same samples back in the spring,

Enigma said...

@Mr Wibble: I expect that by 2028 there will be a new party, which means that anything is possible.

If the left splits into (a) militant woke, pro-Palestine, defund the police, LGBTQ+++ faction versus (b) a faction that tolerates Trump as a lesser evil, then the center right will dominate for a generation. The romance of anarchy never lasts very long. The party name and ideology won't matter -- they'll be low drama centrists with little patience for hardliners. They will model off of Manchin and Sinema rather than Trump.

I think the USA could be like the post-WW2 Germany and Japan monoparties, where both the hard left and hard right were firmly pushed into the closet. This type of government is about unity and doesn't permit much change in either direction, just sanity and stability.

The pendulum always swings left and right, with just a touch of change each time.

Leland said...

Poll numbers like that are sure to extend Trump’s prison sentence.

RideSpaceMountain said...

"The romance of anarchy never lasts very long."

"It's exhilarating to run up the stairs of the Presidium waving the red banner while quoting Lenin, but then the bureaucracy takes over. You're young, and you don't realize it's a false peak, and that behind the double-doors lies Leviathan. So you walk through the door and become a cog in the apparatus, like so many idealistic revolutionaries before you."

- John Milius (Milius, 2013)

narciso said...

well the Christian Democrats were close to the Catholic Center party, the Liberal Democrats were another element all together, fiefdoms largely headed by A level war criminals like Kodama, Sasagawa, and Kishi, the last was abe's grandfather,

Rusty said...

Mr Wibble said...
"So who is the VP that inherits MAGA in 2028? Somebody ask AI."

"The GOP is dead after 2024. Trump will be the last hurrah of the party, the last time you'll get all sides aligned. I expect that by 2028 there will be a new party, which means that anything is possible."

Trump is the Republican party. From here on in the Republican party is going to look like the TEA party.

Drago said...

Mr Wibble: "The GOP is dead after 2024. Trump will be the last hurrah of the party, the last time you'll get all sides aligned. I expect that by 2028 there will be a new party, which means that anything is possible."

This is the real concern: the GOPe will retain sufficient high level party power, having completely lost the increasingly diverse and populists grass roots and base, and will press ahead with corrupt business as usual and go the way the "conservatives" (not conservative in the slightest) party in Britain is going with the upstart Reform Party looking pretty good to capture second place in coming election where Labour will win easily after 6 years of abject rejection by "conservative" party leadership of ALL base voter desires.

Just like the GOPe is doing.

What's amazing, or perhaps not at all given the people involved, is that the voter base coalescing around Trump is PRECISELY, EXACTLY what the GOP post-election analysis after the 2012 Romney and McCain electoral disasters stated was needed to create a long term national electoral republican advantage!

But then Trump came along as the ONLY one who even wanted such a thing and the GOPe has been fighting tooth and nail against it with their dem allies.

narciso said...

well it depends how many of mcconnell's possums are in the deck, already mike rogers will probably not advance the maga agenda, as for happy hogan, lol

Floris said...

I wonder how much impact the current "Feeding Our Future" trial is having on Minnesotans. Stealing $250,000,000 from the state where you pay taxes might be enough to make even a liberal Lutheran disgusted with the people who enabled it.

Drago said...

PrimoStL: "I would hope that Hawley, Rand, or DeSantis would be the ones to carry the banner forward."

DeSantis is fully captured by the establishment as evidenced by his Ryan toadying while in Congress (pro-TPP, fast track authority for obambi, etc; basically every globalist dream item) and who slapped his campaign together starting in 2021 with all the usual suspects on board: Jeff Roe running the campaign, Ken Griffin running the globalist funding show, Murdoch with the personal payoffs via bookdeal, etc).

I've said this before and I'll say it again: I don't necessarily blame DeSantis. He's always been a "climber" but lacked any means whatsoever.

He punched his "JAG" ticket while at Harvard Law (similar to Beau Biden doing the JAG thing to get the credential and George P. Bush punching his "navy intel" ticket to do the same on the republican side).

He desperately wanted to "fit in" while in congress to secure continued GOPe leadership and globalist financial support; he desperately needed Trump's endorsement to get over the Republican Gov Primary opponent Putnam (who was kicking his butt) and Trump delivered for him so he paid lip service to Trump and then worked the social issues hard to establish some street cred for the coming fight at the national level where he knew what his globalist funders needed from him and DeSantis was hoping the social stuff would be enough to get him over the hump.

It didn't work because the lawfare that was supported by the GOPe and executed by the dems didn't quite pan out the way they had hoped.

And here we are.

DeSantis will have quite the hill to climb in 2028 after this last year. Can he do it? Well, I never count anyone out at anytime. So much can change in any direction on any time line.

Josephbleau said...

"The romance of anarchy never lasts very long."

The law of revolution is, the day after the revolution, all the revolutionaries are shot.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Not excited about a thin margin.

I'd be excited if Trump were up 6-10 points. Which considering how bad Biden is, is where he should be.

PrimoStL said...

I'm not sold on DeSantis by any means Drago, I just approve of his record thus far in FL. Who I am sold on is Hawley, not only because he's my Senator and a friend but also because he gives leftists the willies.

If they think Trump is Hitler, they'll think Hawley is satan.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Tell Drago to F off where DeSantis is concerned.

DeSantis would be cleaning the floor with Biden. Trump-Humpers like Drago know Trump will lose, and they do not care. Trump is their one tru god.

West TX Intermediate Crude said...

Enigma at 1119:
"If the Black and Jewish vote for Trump is anywhere near 40% to 50%, the old political era is truly dead."

I expect that Trump will be very close to 50% of Jewish vote. It makes a difference in PA for sure. Maybe VA. Not FL, NY, CA, IL.
Trump will get 50% of the black male vote, but how many of them will actually vote is usually less than the black women, who will remain solid D. If black guys actually do vote, it means that their votes cannot be frauded away from them (???). Or maybe they will be arrested for trying to vote twice. That will encourage the others to know their place.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

The pendulum always swings left and right, with just a touch of change each time.

A touch? I'd say the things that define those ideological poles are radically different than what they were just 30 years ago.

Big Mike said...

FWIW this late in the election cycle the undecideds typically break against the incumbent. But this may not be a typical year.

Mr Wibble said...

DeSantis's problem is much the same as Ted Cruz's: he's a very smart guy whose entire resume reads like someone spent their life preparing to run for president. One of the problems that creates is that there's no real idea about who DeSantis actually is. We know Trump, warts and all, because his life has been lived in front of cameras. We don't know DeSantis.

mindnumbrobot said...

Hate to be an eeyore (or maybe broken record is more apt), but don't get your hopes up. Between the vote gathering machine Dems have built and inevitable dirty tricks to come, the chances of Trump being president again are remote.

Static Ping said...

Minnesota is a state in flux. The rural parts of the state have been moving to the Republicans. If not for Minneapolis/St. Paul, the state would be a red state. If you look at the county-by-county election map, it looks a lot like the rest of the country with a carpet of red with blue spots. The blue spots just happen to have a large chunk of the state's population and vote overwhelming for Democrats. If the rural parts get deeper red or the urban area becomes less blue, then the state can flip very easily.

That said, a lot of states are like this. What makes Minnesota somewhat unusual is the rural parts were solid Democrat for quite a while and the shift is a recent development.

Marcus Bressler said...

PrimoStL: based on your DeSantis comment (I live in FL and am SO glad he is the governor), perhaps I jumped the gun and pre-judged you. If so, I withdraw my criticism until it may be needed again (not that it matters to anyone but me).
I don't trust the polls. Regardless of whom is leading or trailing. Remember that the NYTimes predicted Satan Hillary to win the presidency (I guess, based on polling?) in the 90 percentile range. It seems as if the media, in their horserace setup, likes to fix the results and cherry pick until it is very close going into election day.
If it is an election without Dem cheating, Trump wins all the states except Delaware, joining Reagan and Nixon in the massive humiliation of the opponent category: Mondale barely won Minnesota, even before it became the shithole state it is now. McGovern, at least, carried Taxachusetts by a comfortable margin. I don't care about D.C. and its traitorous inhabitants. It would be SO exhilarating if Biden lost Delaware, but I doubt that would happen.
Now, if the Dems cheat, especially in PA, GA, and WI, then I believe Biden (or Uncle Michelle O) will win.
I do think that the wildcard would be for Biden to die (of natural causes) in some timeline that would allow Michelle Obama to take his place. Who knows how many deranged Dems that are fed up with SloJo might stick with the Dem's nominee then. The Anointed One might have to "convince" Kamala to wait her turn, promising that Michelle would not seek re-election.
Weirder things could happen.
P.S. To think that DJT would be another Grover Cleveland and have his image TWICE in the lineup of presidents -- it would just burn every liberal's stomach.
I am not confident of anything. I think Biden will survive the debate (with the assistance of the BiasedMediaModerators™), but go back into basement campaign mode until November.

PrimoStL said...

Static Ping said, "Minnesota is a state in flux. The rural parts of the state have been moving to the Republicans. If not for Minneapolis/St. Paul, the state would be a red state. If you look at the county-by-county election map, it looks a lot like the rest of the country with a carpet of red with blue spots. The blue spots just happen to have a large chunk of the state's population and vote overwhelming for Democrats. If the rural parts get deeper red or the urban area becomes less blue, then the state can flip very easily.

That said, a lot of states are like this. What makes Minnesota somewhat unusual is the rural parts were solid Democrat for quite a while and the shift is a recent development."

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Missouri was one such state, and we officially lost our bellwether status for McCain in 08 and Trump 2020. Missouri is now deep red, way deep. What basically happened is the non-urban counties that were Republican have become vehemently more so, to such an extent that 1/4 of the state's counties can't get anybody to run D and they can't win in the other 4/5th's.

This along with people in St. Louis and Kansas City finally had enough of the bullshit and moved to ex-urban counties like St. Louis County (St. Louis city is its own county), St. Charles, Franklin, and Jefferson while steadily growing more conservative themselves. A great example is St. Louis County, which used to be a toss up but is no longer.

Ferguson was the last straw for many. It was for me. I moved and I know many others that did too. People suddenly woke up to the fact there's no fixing the visigoths that live among us or the idiots who represent them.

Missourians got mugged by reality. I wish the whole country would too, it would fix a great deal.

Spiros said...

Right now it looks like Trump is going to win everywhere in the country except California and the big blue cities. If he wins the electoral college, he will almost certainly lose the popular vote. California Democrats have perfected ballot harvesting and other forms of voter fraud. I expect Trump to lose the popular count by five to ten million votes in California and five to ten million votes nationwide. So he'll be something of an illegitimate president going in.

Mason G said...

"So he'll be something of an illegitimate president going in."

Calling him "illegitimate" based on a metric that's not used to determine the winner of the election? What a load of crap.

The rule of Lemnity said...

Mondale won Minnesota. There’s no way they are voting for Trump.

bobby said...

They're only tied in Minnesota because the poll didn't take into account the massive illegal-voter effort being led by the Minnesota Democrat.

Gunner said...

Don't let any lefties weasel out of their promises to move if Trump wins again!

Robert Cook said...

"America loves the fighting underdog, yet Beiden has gotten wealth and power the lazy man’s way. Yes, Trump inherited some capital...."

Hmmm...nearly half a billion dollars is just "some capital," a mere pittance from which Dandy Don reaped a miraculous fortune! Talk about the "lazy man's way" of acquiring wealth! And a bunch of bankruptcies, too.

"...but worked hard in dealing with Unions and government bosses over decades in construction and became an entertainment exec on his own."

What does this even mean? What "government bosses" did Trump have to "work hard...dealing" with? Unions? All builders in NYC have to work with unions. No great accomplishment. And how is Trump "an entertainment exec?" He was plugged into a cheesy tv "reality" fake-show, where "You're fired" was his catch phase and primary managerial task.

Drago said...

PrimoStL: "If they think Trump is Hitler, they'll think Hawley is satan."

That belongs on a t-shirt! And bumper sticker. And billboard.

bobby said...

And, to steal someone else's thoughts:

Don't get cocky. Hillary was at 90% at one point. They're not polls, as we think of polls. They're just another campaign aid.

bobby said...

" . . . "You're fired" was his catch phase and primary managerial task."

We're hoping this catchphrase makes a big comeback.

Big Mike said...

The rule of Lemnity said...

Mondale won Minnesota. There’s no way they are voting for Trump.


As it happened I worked on the Reagan-Bush 1984 campaign, as a county vice chairman — a post with ceremonial value and sounding much more impressive than it was, which was mostly a coordinator for worker bees. Things you need to keep in mind:

1) Minnesota was Fritz Mondale’s home state and he was quite popular in that state.

2) Mondale spent the entire last week of the campaign focused 100% on holding his home state, basically giving up on the remaining 49.

3) The Democrat Farm-Labor party is not as powerful forty years later as it was back then. The northeast corner of the state, the Iron Range, was a deep, incandescent blue. Is it still? I sense — and this is not backed up with any polling or hard data — that the union rank and file are starting to realize that their votes have been used to deliver anti-worker economic policies. I could be wrong on this point, but I’m certain about the first two.

Mr. D said...

I live in Minnesota. Trump won’t win here. HennCo and RamCo will provide whatever margin of victory is required for the Donks.

Marcus Bressler said...

The only illegitimate president in my lifetime is Joe Biden. A stolen election, right in front of our eyes, with the LegacyMedia™ and corrupt judges participating in the scam. The "ballot" counters who made up a leaking pipe, who halted the counting in several states, and in one, papered up the windows so the crime could be be witnessed, pulled off the biggest fraud in American history -- which will have severe consequences to decades to come. It will be just desserts for the Dem party to dissolve.

Mason G said...

"It will be just desserts for the Dem party to dissolve."

To be fair, the GOP (the entrenched DC faction, anyway) needs to go away too.

Josephbleau said...

“What does this even mean? What "government bosses" did Trump have to "work hard...dealing" with? Unions? All builders in NYC have to work with unions. No great accomplishment. And how is Trump "an entertainment exec?" He was plugged into a cheesy tv "reality" fake-show, where "You're fired" was his catch phase and primary managerial task.”

Miss America, WWF Wrestlemania, his TV Show? Perhaps you don’t respect it but it made enough money to qualify him as an entertainment exec, so blather on and deny that.

Being a builder in nyc, atlantic city, Chicago et all means you are prey for every union boss and crook city inspector and zoning lord, and every petty alderman who deserves his cut who’s mission is to take all your money, Trump had the guts to survive. Name some others who did as well. And name the 100 times more who failed and went away broke. That is what that means, sir.

According to politifact:

“ Trump added, "First of all, I got a call from my sister and brother tonight, and they said, ‘We had no idea Dad gave you $200 million.’ Believe me, I started off with $1 million. I built a company that's worth more than $10 billion. And I say it not in a bragging way, but that's the kind of thinking we need."

Did Trump inherit over $100 million as Rubio said at the March 3 debate? Trump did inherit money, but we could find no independent way to confirm the amount, so we are not rating the statement on our Truth-O-Meter. However, we will review what we do know about Trump's finances. ”

So it looks like he did not inherit half a billion anyway. But he took his shot with what he had, whatever it was. He inherited less than a Kennedy.

Greg the Class Traitor said...

RideSpaceMountain said...
Juan Marchan is going to hand Trump a prison term. Watch. Then the fireworks...

I really hope he does. Because that would force SCOTUS to get involved, and once they do they're going to toss teh case for the multiple reversible errors, and all of a sudden Trump's no longer a "convicted felon:, he's a "falsely convicted felon"

Greg the Class Traitor said...

PrimoStL said...
I'm not sold on DeSantis by any means Drago, I just approve of his record thus far in FL.

You can't discuss DeSantis's record in FL with Drago, because he refuses to deal with that reality.

Rusty said...

Well, Comrade Robert. If NYC is anything like Chicago in order to build anything you first have to pay the graft to the city inspecters and then you have to give the the gentlemen who control the unions their cut. This insures harmony on the worksite and that everything is up to code. It's the cost of doing business in s big city.
But you sound envious.

Drago said...

Greg the Class Traitor: "You can't discuss DeSantis's record in FL with Drago, because he refuses to deal with that reality."

Nonsense of course. The entire point of DeSantis' Florida state record is something 99% of all republicans would, or should, and I believe do agree with.

Me included.

I can not have been more clear, for years now, where my historic concerns with DeSantis lie: his record when it affects US policy globally, particularly trade and deference to the establishment.

Precisely as I outlined in this thread.

Again.

Explicitly.

Pretty simple.

John henry said...

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/06/19/emerson-college-announces-layoffs-amidst-enrollment-decline-linked-to-campus-protests/

John Henry

Mr. Forward said...

Everybody's had it with old politicians so I predict Joe Biden will be replaced at the Democrat convention by Taylor Swift who will be 35 years old five weeks before the inauguration. She will be followed in 2033 by 38 year old Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes and then 37 year old Caitlin Clark in 2041. Any baby born in the United States before January 20 this year will be eligible in 2049.

Josephbleau said...

“Juan Marchan is going to hand Trump a prison term. Watch. Then the fireworks...”

When King Georges’ lord decides to hang George Washington, what do citizens do? Fortunately they can vote.

Narayanan said...

are not wills probated and public records? why not sleuth NY court archives? and settle the question?

Mr. Forward said...

Correction, unless the constitution is amended a child would have to be at least 10 years old by January 20, 2024 to qualify for 2049.
Baron Trump or Elon Musk's triplets come to mind. Or perhaps Young Sheldon.

typingtalker said...

Is it possible that there is, deep in the dark back-rooms of the democratic party, a backup plan?

An uncanny Presidential lookalike named Dave is recruited by the Secret Service to become a momentary stand-in for the President of the United States.

Dave

Meade said...

Mr. Forward said...
“Correction, unless the constitution is amended a child would have to be at least 10 years old by January 20, 2024 to qualify for 2049.
Baron Trump or Elon Musk's triplets come to mind. Or perhaps Young Sheldon.“

And 8 years later, in 2057, we might be observing the inauguration of President Navy Joan Biden.

Achilles said...

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...
Tell Drago to F off where DeSantis is concerned.

DeSantis would be cleaning the floor with Biden. Trump-Humpers like Drago know Trump will lose, and they do not care. Trump is their one tru god.


Desantis couldn’t even win one delegate in the primary.

But he would beat Biden?

This is really just absolutely delusional. Desantis is a 60 million vote candidate in the general.

Biden wouldn’t even have to cheat to beat desantis.

Achilles said...

Greg the Class Traitor said...
PrimoStL said...
I'm not sold on DeSantis by any means Drago, I just approve of his record thus far in FL.

You can't discuss DeSantis's record in FL with Drago, because he refuses to deal with that reality

Jeb was objectively a better candidate than Desantis in every way. This is as close to a scientific experiment as you will get in politics.

Jeb signed all the bills republicans in Florida gave him. Desantis got more money than Jeb from the same people. Desantis hired the same campaign team.

The only difference you would have to really account for in a result disposition is one went to Harvard and the other went to Yale.

I would also advance the hypothesis that the Republican voters are able able to spot the party apparatchiks better now.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Navy Joan Biden...

Our first female porn star President.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Achilles - Trump is up by one! be excited.

Achilles said...

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Achilles - Trump is up by one! be excited.

I accept that you have no logical or useful arguments supporting Desantis.

Rusty said...

What I find interesting is that Biden can't even get one point over Trump. This is telling me that more people are for Trump than the pollsters are canvasing. So who are polling in Wisc. and Mich?

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Achilles -

DeSantis isn't the nominee. Trump is. He's the left's fav and the Trump base favorite.
and he is tied or up by one.

He should be up by 6-10 points, considering Biden's horror show.



Rusty said...

Who are they polling?
The Iowa poll had Trump up by 8%. Iowa polls tend to be accurate. What is interesting is the comment the pollster made. He did not understand why Trump was polling so low in Wisc. because Wisc. tends to closely follow Iowa.
Mich. I can understand since the election is going to be determined by Detroit/Dearborn/Ann Arbor and Lansing. The rest of the state is pretty solidly Trump.

Achilles said...

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Achilles -

DeSantis isn't the nominee. Trump is. He's the left's fav and the Trump base favorite.
and he is tied or up by one.

He should be up by 6-10 points, considering Biden's horror show.


You sound like Hillary.

You accept the same premises she does too.

Drago said...

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves (A.K.A. Boulder Idiot): "Tell Drago to F off where DeSantis is concerned.

DeSantis would be cleaning the floor with Biden. Trump-Humpers like Drago know Trump will lose, and they do not care. Trump is their one tru god."

Magical pixie dust thinking based on ignorance with MSNBC framing tossed in for good measure! How perfect of a GOPe suckup!

And, for anyone thats been paying attention to what I've actually been saying for 2 years now, I still believe Boulder Idiot's beloved GOPe turncoats working hand in glove with the democraticals and their lawfare efforts will find a way to remove Trump from the process so DeSantis just may have a chance!

I have only been saying this for 2 full years. Maybe if I say it for 2 more years it might break thru Boulder Idiot's skull...though that remains unlikely.

Rusty said...

Sorry. I made an error. Trump is up over Biden in Iowa by 18 points. Trump 50 to Bidens 32