"... may not be in the same sequence FBI agents found it when they swept into the Mar-a-Lago compound with a search warrant in August 2022. The concession from prosecutors in a court filing Friday afternoon came after attorneys for one of Trump’s co-defendants asked for a delay in the case because the defense lawyers were having trouble determining precisely where particular documents had come from in the 33 boxes the FBI seized almost two years ago. In their filing, prosecutors acknowledged the government had previously — and incorrectly — told U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that the boxes remained 'in their original, intact form as seized'.... In a post on his Trump Social site Friday, Trump [said]... Smith 'and his team committed blatant Evidence Tampering by mishandling the very Boxes they used as a pretext to bring this Fake Case'...."
From "Prosecutors: Docs in boxes seized from Mar-a-Lago were inadvertently jumbled/Special counsel Jack Smith’s team acknowledged mischaracterizing the issue at a recent hearing in the Trump classified documents case, but said the reordering was not significant" (Politico).
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56 comments:
they made it out of whole cloth, they shipped boxes to maralago, they put classified coversheets on previously declassified material, they issued super ceding indictments on documents that had already been returned, etc etc
It's all cool. when leftists fuKKK up/ do corrupt things - it's all cool.
All those little helpful words are appearing, 'acknowledged' and 'inadvertently', and 'mischaracterizing' and 'not significant'. Will Politico get an 'assist' in the final credits?
"From "Prosecutors: Docs in boxes seized from Mar-a-Lago were inadvertently jumbled"
You have no idea if it was inadvertent, Politico. Who buys this shit they write?
"/Special counsel Jack Smith’s team acknowledged mischaracterizing"
a.k.a lying about
"the issue at a recent hearing in the Trump classified documents case, but said the reordering was not significant" (Politico)."
In their filing, prosecutors acknowledged the government had previously — and incorrectly — told U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that the boxes remained 'in their original, intact form as seized'.
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are DOJ earlier saying boxes not even opened yet or things added or taken out and the seals are intact as on sheafs of ballots during 2020 with provable custody chain! but no so anymore!
How does Politico know it was "inadvertent" ?
Oh right - hack-D press talked to white house- and that is the offical line.
It is interesting how blatantly partisan - and incompetent - the prosecution ( and judge in NYC) are being shown to be in these trials. Whether it will have any positive impact - other than further pissing off potential Trump voters - remains to be seen.
the comedy team of gerstein and cheney of course, the last seen fetching coffee for hamas fan boi mehdi hasan,
The GSA sending Trump the boxes in the first place was evidence planting.
On top of "mischaracterizing" this episode, the DOJ sought to hide it from the public.
Nothin' to see here, folks; move along.
Democratic tactics in persecution mimic Democratic tactics in democracy.
It was a setup planned by the Biden White House...
How does Politico know it was "inadvertent" ?
the (democrat) government TOLD Them.. in The History of the Earth; has a (democrat) government EVER lied?
I mean, other than "inadvertent" "mischaracterizing" ??
Every idiot in this country is looking for the crime of the century, and it's right in front of their faces.
Yes, there was a coup in 2020, and now they're trying to pull off another one in 2024.
So, the evidence, such as it was, is corrupted and can’t be trusted in a court of law as being what they claim to have taken. Sounds like you have no case (as if there really was one in the first place)
Our so-called people servants were only interested in snooping in Melania’s lingerie closet.
Fire all of the sinecured perverts!
Maybe the reordering was not signficant, but proving that the evidence was not otherwise tampered with in this process certainly seems significant, and the FBI can no longer do that.
Its selective prosecution and everyone knows it. Biden mishandled documents x10 worse and was let go without even being charged. Biden's DOJ are scum, and they're destroying any faith in the DOJ and the law in general. Its just a Leftwing organization that plays politics.
It says a great deal about the left and its supporters that they cannot even run a rigged show trial.
Pathetic-another 'this time we got him' moment in the trash, and quickly forgotten by the left.
The only build back better we are getting is a geometric increase in incompetence.
Blogger Original Mike said...
On top of "mischaracterizing" this episode, the DOJ sought to hide it from the public.
Strange indeed!
I too have noticed that people that are NOT lying are just fine having their statements examined in the public view under bright sunlight.
Liars, on the other hand, do not want anyone to be able to observe their actions or statements.
So Jack Smith lied. Multiple federal agencies, GSA, National Archives, DOJ, gathered together to press false charges against former President Trump. And then they all lied to the sitting judge. These are the facts, not allegations or an opinion.
So why hasn’t a mistrial been declared?
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1786769096236790152
I really would like an objective review article on this case. Primarily what the documents are and the chronology of all of the participants actions. Does anybody know of such a thing?
What y'all said!
Drop guns at the Federal level.
So the chain of custody of the evidence cannot be confirmed? So who is to say which documents were at Mar-a-Lago and which were inserted by Hillary Clinton*?
*a joke - Hillary uses minions, and not the funny yellow guys.
their filing, prosecutors acknowledged the government had previously — and incorrectly — told U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that the boxes remained 'in their original, intact form as seized'
No one is above the law.
Therefore, everyone involved in that perjury needs to be fired, arrested, prosecuted, and convicted of perjury.
In Florida, not DC, since the lie was to a judge in Florida
It is remarkable how inept at faking things like documents and 1023 reports the Fibbis and Democrats have become. It’s almost like they know that as long as they fake the vote counts of the mail in fake ballots they have nothing to worry about.
"From "Prosecutors: Docs in boxes seized from Mar-a-Lago were inadvertently jumbled"
The colon seems to indicate that the headline is quoting the prosecutors. The 'inadvertently' is not Politico's characterization.
That's how I see it.
And yes, the incompetence and deceit displayed at the NY trial is astounding. With all of this energy against Trump, the PTB must have some awful, awful stinky corpses in their closets.
MfG.
Goetz von Berlichingen
What's the over-under on a jury even being empaneled in this case?
If the news was put out on Friday late afternoon, then yes the re-ordering was significant.
The photo of the documents on the floor in Mar-a-Lago looked more propagandistic than evidentiary to me.
https://us.cnn.com/2022/08/31/politics/mar-a-lago-trump-photo-annotations-dg
The documents were on the floor. This means an agent with a high security clearance was sitting on the ground while sorting these documents.
There appear to be three different levels of classification visible. However, documents within a classification level are piled on top of ech other haphazardly, and the three piles merge together.
The picture looks like a slipshod mess, which is an indication that the investigation would be a slipshod mess.
If this was meant to be evidence, I would expect to see neat piles of documents (including the magazines) on a table with the empty box sitting next to them.
given the fbi's track record, there's no assurance that the documents they claimed to be there were acually there.
Greg the Class Traitor said...
No one is above the law.
Therefore, everyone involved in that perjury needs to be fired, arrested, prosecuted, and convicted of perjury.
In Florida, not DC, since the lie was to a judge in Florida
If we had an actual opposition party this would have already happened.
But at least 100 house "republicans" are now just admitted democrats. The senate has always been a joke. This charade has been allowed to continue in Florida because of the Republicans in power there.
What they meant to do was…
Fuck off and die to all these assholes…
Trust us. This isn't important.
We're saving our democracy. From fascism! - Your Government
So how many documents did the Biden DOJ plant in this "inadvertently jumbled" mess?
Did any of them come for Biden's garage stash?
oopsie poopsie
It’s going to make any trial interesting. One of Trump’s defenses is that he didn’t know what was in the boxes. An aid would just clear off his desk into a box, with any (formerly) classified documents mixed in with everything else in the box. When full, the boxes were just sealed, and in any cases, the next person opening the box would be the FBI agents looking through the boxes after their MAL raid. That negates the intent requirement for the crimes. Proof of that would be that the (formerly) classified documents were related to the documents filed around them in the boxes. This essentially destroys that exonerating evidence. Bad boys! It would probably fly with a DC or NYC judge, who might just say: “No harm, No foul”. Likely won’t fly with Trump appointed Judge Cannon. Will she just tell the jury that they can’t assume from the evidence that the (former) classified documents hadn’t been found mixed in with contemporaneous documents? Deny the prosecution the ability to enter those documents into evidence? After all the DOJ/FBI don’t have a clean audit trail anymore, and it’s their own damn fault. I think that she is inventive enough to come up with something to make the prosecution squeal (as they did when she posed two potential jury instructions, neither of which supported their narrative of the case, but since there were two, they couldn’t file an interlocutory appeal).
What I think I would do as a defense attorney would first be to try to allow into evidence that the FBI agents and DOJ attorneys overseeing the MAL raid wouldn’t allow Trump’s attorneys to oversee their actions. They did it because they could, and were operating under direct orders from the AG and WH. But it’s not standard procedure with executing search warrants. The natural question that arises, what were they hiding? Inserting incriminating evidence? Not recording everything they seized (like possibly the binder of documents incriminating the FBI CD and DOJ CECB misfeasance, malfeasance, and perfidy, that Trump formally ordered declassified). By all indications so far, the MAL raid was at least overseen by these same two groups. Maybe even get into that malfeasance. Remember, they were the two organizations that got the 4 Fraudulent FISA warrants issued on Carter Page, and CD attorney Clinesmith was an FBI CD attorney when he lied to get the warrants approved. Past bad acts by cops and forensic techs are routinely used to impeach their testimony in court. Why not expand this to corrupt government govt organizations? To really make the prosecutors scream, they could try to get into evidence that the entire thing was initiated by the WH and AG. And all the shenanigans they pulled to make it happen.
Pass the popcorn. Should be fun.
“…and incorrectly — told”
Subway Smith and the lies he tells. Go sand your cheeks, you charlatan!
Does anyone recall the pretext for this absolutely unprecedented armed predawn raid on the home of the former President? The documents that were so TOP SECRET!!! that Trump's very possession of them presented an existential threat to the Nation, requiring Merrick Garland to act immediately?
Are they going to give us some idea of what the actual substance, or even the subject matter, consists of?
No leaks? No hints and rumours from the NYT and WaPo?
C'mon. Does anybody buy this?
The raid itself is and was a gross outrage to our "Democracy," and anyone connected with it should be a political pariah. It was a lawless act dressed up as a national emergency.
Well this certainly puts a glitch in the narrative. Stay tuned to see the mental gymnastics our left leaning friends will do to keep the narrative alive!
The "Raid" was the crime. Treating this as a legitimate matter is exonerating the criminals.
So the documents are now shuffled and improperly indexed. What better way to make some of the ones that incriminate the Obama and Biden administrations and their agencies for the RussiaGate hoax.
What a clumsy way to hide their tracks.
This puts the pending SCOTUS immunity judgment in a new light. An SC, illegally appointed, admits to failing basic chain of custody requirements. The evidence is completely tainted. Who knows what any of these “classified documents” are? They could be anything. A person with this amount of power over a US President, let alone the rest of us, can not be trusted. The case has to be dismissed based on prosecutorial misconduct.
Very cute, actually. Selectively indicting and prosecuting someone while in parallel tainting and/or fabricating evidence. Just another Hoax of the Left. When will they learn? Smith should be charged and dis-barred - same for the whole sorry team.
Is Don Knotts still around to star as Smith, the prosecutor who couldn't shoot straight?
@Bruce Hayden
This is just like the E. Jean Carroll suit, preemptively make valid defenses impossible through nonsense. Trump's chance to disprove her claims was greatly hampered because 'Oh, well, it happened SOMETIME in the 1990s, can't even remember the year, too bad so sad that now you can't prove you weren't at the department store or even in NYC when I claim it happened...' now Smith screws around with the boxes so Trump's defense re: how documents were stored during his administration is now almost impossible to prove.
"Does anyone recall the pretext for this absolutely unprecedented armed predawn raid on the home of the former President? The documents that were so TOP SECRET!!! that Trump's very possession of them presented an existential threat to the Nation, requiring Merrick Garland to act immediately?"
The words Nuclear, and Defense were used in the press regarding these docs. But the press can lie and misunderstand without consequence. Always wrong, never in doubt! We are the Press and deserve your obeisance!!
How to know what documents were removed because they implicated the Bidens, Obamas, or Clintons?
If Democrats and their weaponized prosecutorial apparatus are involved, we can be 100% certain there is major fuckery afoot.
Narr is spot on… excellent comments on this issue.
It happened, and they lied about it. Isn’t that the real story? Everything else is a distraction.
Go grab another ham sammich, Subway Smith.
“How to know what documents were removed because they implicated the Bidens, Obamas, or Clintons”
Maybe naive, but I suspect that it was more of an inside job, to protect the bureaucracy (esp DOJ’s CECB and FBI’s CD), and not the top Dem politicians. Call it the civilian Intel community, but from their illegally obtained FISA warrants, they didn’t even have the CIA on board in 2016-17. Still, someone there in 2016 was protecting Crooked Hillary with her emails, just as someone there was protecting FJB in 2020 from Hunter’s laptop (though the latter could have been some other FBI organization). Still, these organizations seem more anti-Trump and pro-FBI/DOJ than pro Dem Presidents. No hard data, just a feel from their past actions. On the other hand, the J6 prosecutions seem to be run out of a very FJB loyalist part of the DOJ.
The thing that the MAL search warrant, indictment, and later pleadings say to me is that this investigation was initiated and run by intelligence professionals. DOJ lawyers who spend their careers dealing with classified information and the Espionage Act. They have very artfully constructed LawFare theories to get around Trump’s plenary declassification and ability to designate personal papers powers. The former seems to assume that there are some secrets so important to our national defense (e.g. nuclear secrets) that even the sitting President can’t effectively declassify them. And, of course, they had the FJB revoke Trump’s security clearances (unfortunately for them, his DOE (which controls nuclear secrets) Q clearance wasn’t revoked until after the MAL raid. And then tried to keep the documents they seized out of the defense’s hands because they didn’t have security clearances, while slow walking them for his attorneys. These seem like lawyers who spend their careers indicting people under the Espionage act, and not having to deal overmuch with the niceties (such as having attorneys for the target of a search warrant overseeing their work). On the flip side, they gleefully utilized the LawFare (mis)interpretation of § 1512(c) utilized by the J6 prosecutors… my theory right now is that CECB branch chief Jay Bratt instigated the classified document case, with some WH/AG support, then was swept into Jack Smith’s Special Counsel investigation, as his Deputy SC, sometime before the indictment. We shall see.
The words Nuclear, and Defense were used in the press regarding these docs. But the press can lie and misunderstand without consequence. Always wrong, never in doubt! We are the Press and deserve your obeisance!!
Yes, they were, JB. And they were obviously lies, or we would have heard leaks about the allegedly bad stuff.
There doesn't appear to be any curiosity about this. Or outrage (except from me and DJT and a few other outliers). The silence of the Republican "leadership" is deafening.
They got away with it. "Let's let the legal process work out" is surrender in this instance. Judge Cannon may have integrity, but she's also legitimizing the initial crime that was "the raid."
“They got away with it. "Let's let the legal process work out" is surrender in this instance. Judge Cannon may have integrity, but she's also legitimizing the initial crime that was "the raid."”
Agreed. But she (Cannon) can only do so much. She didn’t sign the search warrant - that was, if I remember correctly, a Magistrate (not Article III) Judge. If she flushed it earlier, the DOJ would have just tweaked it a little, refiled, and maybe gotten a Dem judge. We are at the point now that it is now becoming feasible to flush the case. She probably has enough evidence and motions before her to pull it off. If she really wants to fuck their wagon up good, she could do it by declaring the prosecution ultra vires, because Smith is not an Officer of the US. She’s probably had that motion to dismiss less than a month now. That though would be a big step.
Nothing big in the case is going to happen until probably June, when the Supreme Court issues its Presidential Immunity decision. She’s intentionally shut things down until then. Smith/Bratt are swinging in the wind, esp with the 2 pro-Trump jury instruction alternatives hanging over them, that they can’t appeal yet. After that, at least the DC case will likely be remanded to determine whether Trump’s actions were Presidential Acts. If she makes that decision (that they were), then she has an easy legal basis to dismiss. Of course, Smith/Bratt would immediately appeal to the 5th Circuit, but that puts the case easily into 2025. But the DOJ is in big trouble anyway, having missed their March trial date. Even without the Immunity case, they are still not going to trial anywhere before fall. And that gets them crosswise with DOJ rules about litigating against politicians right before an election (because the Dems stole a Senate seat that way). Those types of rules don’t apply to Smith (as they didn’t with Mueller). But that may also benefit Trump - he will be able to point at the DOJ rules, and ask why Smith doesn’t have to follow them? Obviously the prosecutions would need AG approval to proceed right before the election, which means FJB WH election interference against his opponent right before the election. Advantage Trump!
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