April 23, 2024

"After listening to Monday’s opening statement by prosecutors, I still think the Manhattan D.A. has made a historic mistake."

"Their vague allegation about 'a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election' has me more concerned than ever about their unprecedented use of state law and their persistent avoidance of specifying an election crime or a valid theory of fraud.... Both the misdemeanor and felony charges require that the defendant made the false record with 'intent to defraud.'... Instead of a theory of defrauding state regulators, Mr. Bragg has adopted a weak theory of 'election interference,' and Justice Juan Merchan described the case, in his summary of it during jury selection, as an allegation of falsifying business records 'to conceal an agreement with others to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.' As a reality check, it is legal for a candidate to pay for a nondisclosure agreement. Hush money is unseemly, but it is legal.... In Monday’s opening argument, the prosecutor Matthew Colangelo still evaded specifics about what was illegal about influencing an election, but then he claimed, 'It was election fraud, pure and simple.'... Calling it 'election fraud' is a legal and strategic mistake, exaggerating the case and setting up the jury with high expectations that the prosecutors cannot meet...."

Writes Boston University lawprof Jed Handelsman Shugerman, in "The Bragg Case Against Trump Is a Historic Mistake" (NYT)(that's a free access link because there is good detail there that I haven't quoted).

73 comments:

Dave Begley said...

Disagree. The NYC jury will eat this up.

Dave Begley said...

Is there even a crime of election fraud in NY?

The BU law prof doesn't get it. This isn't a rule of law criminal trial. It is a political show trial to ruin and jail a political opponent.

Ann Althouse said...

@Dave Begley

Read the whole thing. He's addressing what will happen on appeal and perhaps trying to influence the trial judge and prosecutor. He's also addressing us, the voters, who will form opinions about what the jury does.

He does not deserve your "doesn't get it" verdict.

Wilbur said...

AA, I agree.
This is not about what the jury may decide. It's about an appellate court at some level correcting the trial judge's error of not dismissing these charges in pretrial motions. In civil law parlance, they fail to state a claim or cause of action.

narciso said...

There is no underlying offense this is a criminal waste of time and resources that should be used elsewhere

Gusty Winds said...

'a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election'

So is Bragg going to prosecute everyone involved in the Russian Collusion hoax?

Levi Starks said...

It doesn’t matter if he’s ever convicted of anything.
It only matters that he’s always in constant jeopardy of being convicted.
The process is the punishment.

Enigma said...

Crossfire Hurricane circa 2016 was a historic mistake.
Obama administration efforts to redefine laws and authorities were historic mistakes.

Everything said by career D.C. politicians since 2010 has been nothing but lies, coverups, and historic mistakes.

Welcome to the club. Pathological liars are gonna lie.

Sebastian said...

"has me more concerned than ever about their unprecedented use of state law and their persistent avoidance of specifying an election crime or a valid theory of fraud"

Apply the Horowitz axiom about the revolution: the issue is not the issue. In this case, the case is not the case.

"Calling it 'election fraud' is a legal and strategic mistake, exaggerating the case and setting up the jury with high expectations that the prosecutors cannot meet"

Why? Partisan NYC jurors and a partisan judge will decide. I hypothesize that they expect to railroad Trump and that they will meet their own expectations.

It's nice that a law prof tries to call BS. It's also beside the point. Dems are gonna use lawfare as they damn well please. There is no personal downside, there's only a professional upside, and even failure means success: they hamstring Trump, interfere with the election, and show us deplorables who's boss.

Mike Petrik said...

I agree with Jed, and I agree with Ann.

Bill R said...

I'm sure the judge can pull jury instructions out of his pouch that will ensure a conviction. Then he'll hop on over to the TV cameras and start blathering about "justice".

Mr Wibble said...

I've been saying since 2016 that the hysteria over Trump is mostly because the left cannot accept that Hillary lost. She was the avatar of the managerial class, and they took her loss as a personal insult.

Joe Smith said...

A Manhattan jury would vote to convict Mother Teresa if she were a Republican...

FullMoon said...

" Calling it 'election fraud' is a legal and strategic mistake, exaggerating the case and setting up the jury with high expectations that the prosecutors cannot meet...." "

Only if the jury is impartial

Michael said...

Boy oh boy are the commenters miffed at the author’s failure to trash Trump.

Dude1394 said...


""Their vague allegation about 'a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election' has me more concerned than ever about their unprecedented use of state law and their persistent avoidance of specifying an election crime or a valid theory of fraud.... Both the misdemeanor and felony charges require that the defendant made the false record with 'intent to defraud.'... Instead of a theory of defrauding state regulators, Mr. Bragg has adopted a weak theory of 'election interference,'"

It worked for Letitia James. No fraud committed. No person harmed. No person filed charges. No person made a complaint.

I think this person is naive, both of these are sham trials and he will be convicted of something.

wildswan said...

I tend to agree with Dave Begley that the jury will convict no matter what. But what about the appeals which the article discusses? The New York appeals courts are likely to be wholly politicized, in my opinion. And then the conviction would likely be reversed at the Supreme Court level - but when will the appeals process reach that level? Isn't it likely that the trial having been expedited, the appeal will be delayed; that we have a Hunter-Biden-laptop caper in which incontestable, damaging facts are simply withheld until the election is over? Yet perhaps Althouse is right in seeing this article as a signal of a shift of some kind way up among the elite. Remember, the Althouse outlook on politics tracked exactly with the outcome of the 2022 election though that outcome was a surprise to almost everyone, certainly to me. A cruelly neutral reader of the NYT, like a dedicated Kremlin watcher of time past, may have an insight or sensitivity denied the ardently un-neutral who merely use the NYT to start the charcoal grill or wrap stinking shrimp bits. It may be that the legal profession to which Althouse belongs is outraged by the way in which the Fani and Alvin Show is utterly disgracing the court system in this country. And it may be that in their outrage (hidedn by lawyerly reserve) is issuing in action - getting articles in the NYT and such. (And, similarly, it may be that the Columbia faculty/alumni/students who are watching their university be disgraced by a handful of antisemitic, Hamas-loving, decolonizing Turtle Islanders, are privately rallying forces for a counterblast. These things take time to organize.)

Big Mike said...

Eight years after the alleged crime itself, it is reasonable to ask if this is more about Manhattan politics than New York law. This case should serve as a cautionary tale about broader prosecutorial abuses in America — and promote bipartisan reforms of our partisan prosecutorial system.

“It is reasonable to ask” in pretty much the same way that “it is reasonable to ask” whether the sun rises in the east each morning. However there will be no “bipartisan reforms of our partisan prosecutorial system” unless and until Republicans turn the tables and prosecute Democrats for real crimes. The author surely knows that.

Aggie said...

There's that whole 'Benefit of the Doubt' thing again. It doesn't matter what legal conventions are being flouted or what logical / strategic errors are being made. The whole point is that Donald Trump is not going to get a fair trial. That's the point of the exercise, the absurd charges and so forth, the long list of things that should have led to a dismissal, but didn't. It's all about the legal pageantry now. We will have our show trial.

Yancey Ward said...

Ah, how cute- he actually thinks, or pretends to, the evidence and charges even matter here. The verdict was certain the day Trump was indicted- this is a show trial only. Any juror who tries to hold out on convicting Trump will quickly find his name and address dropped in the NYTimes and his home and family members will receive a visit from the local branch of Antifa thereby requiring the judge to remove him if he doesn't vote to convict.

Dr Weevil said...

This is one of the many cases where I wish the Supreme Court had a third option beyond upholding or reversing a lower-court decision. They should have a super-reversal option which not only overturns the judgment but removes the judge or judges who made it from the bench permanently. Perhaps even a fourth option that doesn't just force the judge(s) into early retirement but fires him/her/them without a pension.

Judges who make decisions utterly contrary to justice and the Constitution should not be able to do so repeatedly. As it is, I don't think the Supreme Court has ever even written a decision that says a lower-court decision is so obviously and stupidly wrong that it proves an intolerable degree of malice, prejudice, or incompetence in the judge(s), and that the state legislature should therefore immediately begin an impeachment.

Yancey Ward said...

"Read the whole thing. He's addressing what will happen on appeal and perhaps trying to influence the trial judge and prosecutor."

Where in NY State is Trump going to find an appeals court that will reverse the conviction? He won't. 5-6 years from now he might get a reversal at the federal level, but probably only after somehow getting to SCOTUS and only if SCOTUS still has 9 justices rather than 15.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

He's addressing what will happen on appeal and perhaps trying to influence the trial judge and prosecutor.

They don't care what happens on appeal. This process is the punishment, to reuse a handy phrase. All Bragg and James et al care about is handing the corrupt Media the "convicted felon" label so they can use it ten-thousand times a day between now and November, and because the Media is corrupt they will so, despite what the good professor opines/recommends in the Times.

If the actual law mattered to these heathens they would not have changed the laws specifically to GetTrump (TM), they would not be prosecuting a misdemeanor as a felony, they would not be gagging the defendant and prohibiting him from attending a SCOTUS hearing on his case. If this judge were not corrupt he would have recused himself from a case on which his immediate family members raised $90,000,000 in donations, specifically to GetTrump (TM). The DA would be disqualified for running for his office on the specific platform of GetTrump (TM). The state AG would be disqualified for running for her office on the specific platform of GetTrump (TM). Ditto the skank in GA. And the illegitimate Special Prosecutor Jack Smith as well. And the National Archivist who we now know took direct orders from the White House to gin up a case against Trump.

Why must every law and rule be bent to go after this man in a highly coordinated effort? The stench of that alone should repel every patriotic American, every so-called Liberal worldwide. The stench of bananas hangs over our (formerly Constitutional) Republic. Our system has been so degraded by these degenerates that one must first be punished in full and then get relief. See Navarro, Stone, Stein etc. for current and quite recent examples. Meanwhile we all have to pretend "no reasonable prosecutor" would dare touch Hillary for suborning perjury and destroying documents and devices under subpoena. When she laughs about it, as she often has ("Wiped? Like with a cloth?"), she's cackling at us, knowing we will never get that benefit of being a made member of The Swamp.

Big Mike said...

I agree with Sebastian (9:46) 100%. I also agree with FullMoon (10:07). Over at the Free Press Joe Nocera, who witnessed the jury selection, thinks that the jurors will do their best to be impartial. I think he is terribly — and possibly deliberately — mistaken.

(BTW, that is a different Big Mike who commented there, though I fully agree with the sentiment expressed.)

PB said...

Why not charge him with a crime for buying advertising to influence the election?

PB said...

Why not charge him with a crime for buying advertising to influence the election?

Ann Althouse said...

The jury is the fact-finder. The op-ed is about questions of law, which is going to have to be sorted out on appeal.

Ann Althouse said...

"All Bragg and James et al care about is handing the corrupt Media the "convicted felon" label so they can use it ten-thousand times a day between now and November..."

Yes, and I don't think many Trump supporters will be fazed by that. It's already priced in.

Rusty said...

Ina broader sense. What doe we do when there is no equal justice under law?

Yancey Ward said...

When convicted, I think there is a pretty good chance Merchan will move to put Trump in jail immediately- he might even move to sentence the very day of the verdict. This might backfire politically, but it has been the goal all along- to put Trump in jail.

AZ Bob said...
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n.n said...

A brilliant error in judgment. As long as their (h/t AI) are no tangible repercussions, the pauperie of indictments will progress, the judgement will be persist with liberal license, and the rotting apple will ferment in a putrid mistake.

Achilles said...

Ann Althouse said...

@Dave Begley

Read the whole thing. He's addressing what will happen on appeal and perhaps trying to influence the trial judge and prosecutor. He's also addressing us, the voters, who will form opinions about what the jury does.

He does not deserve your "doesn't get it" verdict.


Gusty Winds said...

'a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election'

So is Bragg going to prosecute everyone involved in the Russian Collusion hoax?

Rusty said...

In a broader sense. What do we do when there is no equal justice under law?

Yancey Ward said...

When convicted, I think there is a pretty good chance Merchan will move to put Trump in jail immediately- he might even move to sentence the very day of the verdict. This might backfire politically, but it has been the goal all along- to put Trump in jail.


It is time to stop pretending that the Regime wants this to turn out peacefully.

Christopher B said...

Ann Althouse said...
"All Bragg and James et al care about is handing the corrupt Media the "convicted felon" label so they can use it ten-thousand times a day between now and November..."

Yes, and I don't think many Trump supporters will be fazed by that. It's already priced in.


This is about influencing people who are on the fence, not the ones who will crawl over broken glass to vote for/against Trump. It gives them a reason to claim Biden is the lesser of two evils. (Oh how far we have moved from the standard of 'not been indicted.') Whether those voters have priced it in or not remains to be seen.

Kevin said...

Mr. Bragg has adopted a weak theory of 'election interference,' and Justice Juan Merchan described the case, in his summary of it during jury selection, as an allegation of falsifying business records 'to conceal an agreement with others to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.

Then why isn't this being tried in Federal Court?

Mr Wibble said...


Yes, and I don't think many Trump supporters will be fazed by that. It's already priced in.

It's not about the Trump supporters, it's about the middle-of-the-road types who voted for Biden in 2020 on the promise that things would return to normal, and are disgusted by the way his administration has turned out. The goal is to scare them away from voting, or back into Biden's camp.

Wa St Blogger said...

Yes, and I don't think many Trump supporters will be fazed by that. It's already priced in.

This isn't about Trump supporters. This is about undecideds and for GOTV of the base. If you rile up the left to say you have to show up to make sure a felon is not elected, you have achieved something.

There needs to be real consequences for what is actually designed to interfere in an election. But there won't be and too many people will just shrug it all off.

Rit said...

Yancey said: When convicted, I think there is a pretty good chance Merchan will move to put Trump in jail immediately

If not that, he'll order an ankle monitor for Trump and put him under house arrest pending any appeal. The entire process is geared towards interfering with the election, nothing more and nothing less. That virtually no one in a position of authority within federal government or the various state governments where these atrocious abuses of power are occurring is willing to step to the podium and denounce this process speaks volumes as to how corrupt of a nation we've become.

gilbar said...

persistent avoidance of specifying an election crime or a valid theory of fraud..
Instead of a theory of defrauding state regulators, Mr. Bragg has adopted a weak theory of 'election interference'

compare and contrast with Trump being charged (and found GUILTY, before the trial even started) of
defrauding NO ONE, causing NO ONE to lose Any Money.. And Thus be fined Several Hundred Million dollars

BUMBLE BEE said...

Democrats have an enduring history of unfair trials. Much of that history purposely avoided trial by jury. How did Medgar Evers do on appeal?
It's in their DNA.

stlcdr said...

Voting for - and electing - a 'convicted felon' puts hope out there for all the wrongly convicted felons. Using political power to persecute individuals is an evil thing.

Narayanan said...

but it has been the goal all along- to put Trump in jail.
=============
will Congress have ratified "No Protection for Disgraced Persons" by then?
or will Trump use fart bombs for self defense

hombre said...

Shugerman was right the first time. The case is a "legal embarrassment" as any review of the facts and statutes will confirm. Add to that the key witness, a convicted fraudster.

It was filed by an unethical prosecutor, sanctioned by a compliant, politically compromised judge in search of a biased jury. It's obvious purpose is to prevent Trump from campaigning and being elected. The potential for political and financial rewards for success is staggering.

It is a tragedy for the legal system and the Republic that half the country is pretending otherwise.

Bruce Hayden said...

Here’s a fun thought. A US House Dem has introduced a bill to strip Presidential candidates of Secret Service protection if they are convicted of a felony. The Dems have bribed enough House Republicans to resign that they will soon be within a vote or two of retaking the House. The Senate is already under Dem control. So, what happens if this bill is passed by bare Dem majorities and signed into law by FJB? Before that, Trump would presumably take his SS detail into prison with him. After that, how long would a late 70s famous political prisoner survive? Everyone mo doubt remembers that Jeffry Epstein was assassinated in the federal jail in DC, and the FJB/Garland DOJ has really done nothing to figure out who did it - just to cover it up. That would be nearly impossible with Trump, if he still had SS protection. Unfortunately for the Dems, this case may be their best chance for a felony conviction.

For those not paying attention, yesterday in FL, Judge Cannon just tossed a stick of dynamite under SC Smith’s Documents case by ordering declassified a document that showed that the case was initiated by the FJB WH and AG Garland. Moreover, Trump’s security clearances were ordered revoked by the FJB WH. Unfortunately for the case, they had forgotten to revoke his DOE Q clearance by the time of their MAL raid (and after that, it was moot, because the FBI had the (formerly) classified documents). I don’t see it going to trial, and if it does, it will likely be a quick vote of acquittal.

Both federal cases are vulnerable right now, because of the issues of Presidential immunity, and whether Jack Smith’s prosecutions are legal in the first place, since he is very likely not an (even inferior) officer of the US, but rather a direct employee of AG Garland, and thus does not have the legal authority to represent the US. The DC case is further imperiled because there is now evidence that Pelosi, as Speaker, and DC Mayor Bowser were the ones who turned down National Guard troops, offered by Trump.

And, finally, with the removal of the lead prosecutor, and continued pressure to have the DA removed from the case, the GA case is falling apart. Late last week, one of the prosecutors was caught, on video, screaming at the judge, when he excluded some evidence that they had belatedly given to the defense. And kept screaming until the jury came back in. That’s not a good luck for prosecutors, and esp not for prosecutors, who are supposed to be representing the people. Also, not good for getting leeway from the judge screamed at. Have any attorneys here ever yelled at a judge in his courtroom. Doubtful. I think that it is evidence of their frustration that the case is falling apart. And they have yet to get to the defense’s case.

So, we are back to the criminal case where the Dems still have tight control over the judge - the NYC case discussed here.

JaimeRoberto said...

It seems to me that if you have to develop novel legal theories, a term I had never heard until recently, maybe you shouldn't bring the case to trial.

Big Mike said...

Writes Boston University lawprof Jed Handelsman Shugerman, in "The Bragg Case Against Trump Is a Historic Mistake."

See how badly this allegedly educated man misspelled “Horrific.”

TickTock said...

"It's already priced in."

I seem to recall that "Carthage must be destroyed" was ignored (priced in) for a long time. But repetition made it so.

MadisonMan said...

My vote for or against Trump has precisely nothing to do with the outcome of any legal conflict driven by the "Democratic" party.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Hush money, insurrection, election interference…. Where would the media be without these?

tolkein said...

What's Trump's potential sentence?

Vance said...

So.... Why, exactly, is it a crime for a presidential candidate to attempt to influence an election? Isn't that the entire point? To try to win it?

I mean, if the argument is that Trump shouldn't have been allowed to try to minimize his bad news while promoting his qualities, and it's illegal to do that, is that just a "Trump rule" or is that a general rule against all politicians?

How does Bragg explain not charging, say, Facebook and CNN for the crime of concealing Hunter Biden's laptop in 2020 to influence the election?

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Ann Althouse said...

Yes, and I don't think many Trump supporters will be fazed by that. It's already priced in.

But it will allow certain people to feel like they've saved face and hopefully keep the panic down in the Biden camp.

loudogblog said...

I can't see how this could be election fraud. That implies that a candidate cannot actively withhold any negative things in their past; that they would be legally obligated to disclose everything in their private and public life that might make them look bad. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of politicians have cheated on their spouses. Would this make it illegal if they asked the parties involved not to talk about it in public before an election? Would a candidate be guilty of voter fraud by not answering a reporter who asked a question about something like this?

Plus, everyone knows that Trump is a bit of a horndog. Would banging a porn star actually cost him more votes than he would gain? Just look at Bill Clinton.

effinayright said...

Suppose a presidential candidate picks his nose in an unguarded moment, and a photographer captures the booger-mining on tape.

Would it be illegal "election interference" to pay that photographer NOT to display that picture, which would expose the candidate to public derision and cost him lots of votes?

Asking for a candidate friend

AZ Bob said...

The Boston professor is correct to say there is nothing illegal about paying hush money. For example, nondisclosure agreements are common in the high-powered television news business (See Matt Lauer).

Could Trump beat the rap by testifying, "Sure, I paid hush money but it had nothing to do with the election. I did it to avoid the shame and embarrassment to my family."

No, he would not admit to any of it. So, clearly he won’t be taking the stand to testify on his own behalf. Does anyone think otherwise?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

There’s no mistake in “show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”.

Hassayamper said...

It seems to me that if you have to develop novel legal theories, a term I had never heard until recently, maybe you shouldn't bring the case to trial.

It's bad enough when it happens to an ordinary schmoe.

It's a million times worse when a deeply conflicted judge and flagrantly biased prosecutors and a corrupt White House conspire to do it against a former President for blatantly political purposes in the middle of an election.

The Democrats can never be considered fellow Americans again. THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES. Do not ever forgive this.

iowan2 said...

The jury is the fact-finder. The op-ed is about questions of law, which is going to have to be sorted out on appeal

Then what is the "the law"?
ny
The misdemeanor is the ledger entries

But supposedly it is in furtherence of a felony.

What is that felony?

Rusty said...

Achillies
I was being serious. What legal mechanism do we the people have when it is obvious the judicial system can no longer be counted on to give any citizen equal justice. Can you only count on justice if you are a member of the approved party? Because that is what it looks like.

Leora said...

Looking forward to the cases regarding the suppression of the Hunter laptop story during the 2020 election.

Achilles said...

Kevin said...

Mr. Bragg has adopted a weak theory of 'election interference,' and Justice Juan Merchan described the case, in his summary of it during jury selection, as an allegation of falsifying business records 'to conceal an agreement with others to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.

Then why isn't this being tried in Federal Court?

Because even by evil Regime standards this case is obviously corrupt.

They had to shop it to a corrupt local NYC Judge who has a daughter that fund raises millions for Democrats to even get it in front of a jury.

boatbuilder said...

If "calling it election fraud is an historic mistake," then the case is an historic mistake, because there is no basis for the charges other than "election fraud." That this law professor doesn't see this--and is instead worried that the legal strategy might "fail"--speaks volumes.

What a farce.

Rusty said...

"Then why isn't this being tried in Federal Court?"
Wasn't this first brought to the federal court and they decined to hear it?

gadfly said...

Jed Shugerman has argued that Trump's overt acts in conjunction with his speech after losing the 2020 election are necessary to indict the ex-president criminally. Further:

"Recognizing that an overt act can be the key fact for establishing liability for speech that plausibly, though not definitively, incites lawlessness or violence not only clarifies an important doctrinal point, but also surfaces a key historical continuity. For centuries, English and American law has struggled with two overlapping concerns: how to criminalize concrete conspiracies but not mere loose talk; and how to criminalize treason, insurrection, and politically aimed incitement but not merely heated but protected political speech. For hundreds of years—and across the crimes of treason, conspiracy, and incitement — the law has rediscovered the same solution: requiring overt acts."

But the professor, without having seen D.A. Bragg's evidence and presentation, which appear to address proving these same kinds of conspiratorial efforts, dismisses his own earlier observation out-of-hand.

Big Mike said...

Yes, and I don't think many Trump supporters will be fazed by that. It's already priced in.

@Althouse, my take is a bit different. I think that many of Trump’s supporters are attracted to him precisely because he apparently terrifies Democrats. This sense of Democrat efforts to abuse the American legal system is not diminished by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon unsealing documents that suggest the FBi colluded with the National Archives to set up a raid on Mar-a-Largo that did not need to occur. Perhaps to you, living in lefty extremist Madison the Democrat Party does not look too bad, but out in the real world they’ve destroyed their brand utterly. There’s a sense of “who besides Trump csnsave this country from the horrors of the Democrats?”

My two cents.

walter said...

Yeah...the "peacefully and patriotically" bit went over the line, Jabfly.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

“Election interference is fine when we do it,” is what this boils down to. The acts of Trump pale in comparison to the overt interference that is happening now in multiple jurisdictions, aided and abetted by the current administration. Thanks for setting the precedent, Democrats. May you live long enough to regret it wholeheartedly.

~ Gordon Pasha said...

I thought that Feisler got squished when his courthouse fell on him in the bombing of Berlin in 1945. And yet his spirit is born anew in 2023-24. It’s clear that Democrats are now the fascists,” everything in the party, nothing outside of the party, everything for the party.”

Rusty said...

Big Mike nailed it.

Old and slow said...

Mainstream Republicans are conspicuously quiet about this travesty of justice. That is because they are on the same side as the Democrats. Our ostensible two party system is a complete sham.

gadfly said...

And the beat goes on:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/24/donald-trump-unindicted-co-conspirator-in-false-electors-plot-michigan-rudy-giuliani-mark-meadows/73420368007/

Lansing — Michigan prosecutors consider former President Donald Trump and some of his top aides [to be] co-conspirators in the plot to submit a certificate falsely claiming he won Michigan's 2020 election, an investigator for Attorney General Dana Nessel's office testified Wednesday in court.

Howard Shock, a special agent for Nessel, said Trump; Mark Meadows, who was Trump's chief of staff; and Rudy Giuliani, who was his personal lawyer, are "unindicted co-conspirators" in Michigan's false elector case. In total, over the last two days, Shock has identified 11 conspirators who haven't been charged. That means prosecutors believe they participated, to some extent, in an alleged scheme to commit forgery by creating a false document asserting Trump had won Michigan's 16 electoral votes when Democrat Joe Biden had won them.

Rocco said...

“… I still think the Manhattan D.A. has made a historic mistake."

Now I keep picturing Alvin Bragg as G.O.B. from Arrested Development saying “I think I’ve made a huge mistake.”

Cato said...

Didn't Bill Clinton pay $850,000 in hush money to Paula Jones while he was president? Did he use campaign cash or personal funds? He also lied under oath in testimony and was found in contempt of court and fined, over $90,000. He also had his law license suspended for five years.

But was never indicted for anything. Go figure.