Before the first indictment, we're told, Fox News "had been weaning itself off Mr. Trump and elevating Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida."
Fox programming centered on themes and villains that Mr. DeSantis had built his brand on fighting: transgender athletes, Dr. Anthony Fauci and all things “woke.”
But after Mr. Trump’s first indictment... [p]rogramming across conservative media centered on the idea that Mr. Trump was the victim of a justice system hijacked by Democrats. Mr. DeSantis’s fight against “wokeness” became passé — a matter of small stakes when set against Mr. Trump’s potential incarceration....
That first indictment poured rocket fuel into Mr. Trump’s online fund-raising machine....
For many of Mr. Trump’s supporters, the details of each successive indictment have blended together into a generic attack on the former president, creating something of a background noise they are largely tuning out....
For some Republicans, the mere fact that Democrats were investigating and charging Mr. Trump with crimes was added reason to support him. And the fact that Mr. Trump’s rivals have not been indicted was a cause of suspicion.
Good. I'm glad this is backfiring. I have never been a Trump supporter, but I hate the criminalization of politics.
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If only, in backfiring, the bad behavior of official abuse by the DOJ would stop. Instead, they will continue the prosecution.
And Fox News hasn’t been conservative for some time now.
And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for conservative media and you meddling kids!
"Fox News "had been weaning itself off Mr. Trump and elevating Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida."
Fox is pro-uniparty. Always is. Always was.
Fox is still a broadcaster of choice for those rich men North of Richmond.
The idea they've created a folk hero seems to have escaped the Democrats
A bit of a important distinction- the bend from NYT here is we’re supposed to believe Trump supporters are supporting a convicted criminal. He’s convicted in the minds of NYT readers anyways…less one.
It only looks upside down to the people standing on their heads to get the charges to look legit…
What I want to see is Democratic outlets like the NYT struggle with the real implications of Trump’s support going up after the indictments—it can’t be dismissed as merely MAGA cultists standing by their man god. If his numbers are going up, it’s because people who did not particularly like him, did not support him, are now supporting him. It cannot be a function of Trump’s cult of personality.
But they won’t wrestle with that fact because they are cowards who don’t want to face the ugly truth of how ugly they are.
"The idea they've created a folk hero"
Damn Crack, preach. That's exactly what's happened.
I believe that keeping Trump in the spotlight is what the Democrats want. They believe Biden will beat Trump but lose to other GOP hopefuls. The question is, are they right?
(They are also beating up on DeSantis and other lesser GOP candidates. They have billions to spend on slandering all of them.)
The NYT is being oblivious: Democrats want Republicans to nominate Trump, know that the indictments will help this happen and would not be indicting Trump if he wasn't running for president again.
Articles like this, where it's assumed that the indictments are perfectly on the up-and-up and Republicans are crazy, is just LARPing, at this point.
I concur- stop referring to Fox as if it is a conservative alternative. They’re in on it with all the others. The Washington Generals of news…
Serious Question (that i DON'T) know the answer to..
To which groups, does Trump being in Prison, hurt his appeal?
I'm Assuming: College Educated Single White Women.
But any Others? How will Trump's legal troubles affect his Black Vote*?
his Black Vote* how many republicans, have received more black votes?
The NYT is being oblivious: Democrats want Republicans to nominate Trump, know that the indictments will help this happen and would not be indicting Trump if he wasn't running for president again.
Articles like this, where it's assumed that the indictments are perfectly on the up-and-up and Republicans are crazy, is just LARPing, at this point.
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I disagree. The indictments would have occurred even if Trump had retired from political life. The left, and many establishment Republicans, hate him beyond reason. They've been demanding this for six years.
Nor do I think that this is a plot to boost him during the primaries. He was already ahead in the primaries prior to the indictments. This is entirely about their anger towards Trump for beating Hillary and embarrassing all of them.
But any Others? How will Trump's legal troubles affect his Black Vote*?
I seem to remember that Trump briought the highest level of black employment in sixty years. But on stat impressed me because it was local. Under Clinton and Obama black youth unemployment,(under 19) was north of 75%. Under Trump that was reduced to 40%.
The Politics of Criminalization.
Why is the NYT treating this as news? I thought that "Trump will use supposed persecution as a political asset" was an explicit part of the DOJ/USAO calculus in prosecuting him, on the hypothesis that Trump will be easier to beat in the general election than any of the other plausible Republican nominees.
NYT never offers writing like this about the democrats.
Backfiring? It’s their precise intention; they want Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2024 far worse than they did in 2016. They’ve learned nothing and forgot nothing.
The American standard "beyond a reasonable doubt" covers the not proven thesis for criminal trials. Yes or no. Maybe need not apply.
What absolutely must be the standard for Trump and his ultimate sentence is that there not be any special option. That is why we — the people in whose name he is being charged and in whose name he will be punished — are having this trial.
Trump, the ultimate insider beneficiary of the special consideration, finally maneuvered himself into a position where the standard actually applied will be equality before the law. (I think he personally still doesn't get this; he doesn't ever think the world works this way.)
Trump may not realize it but that is Gary Cooper coming down the middle of the dusty street for him. It is High Noon in America.
Let’s experiment. Try indicting Biden for his Brand Mafia shenanigans. Let’s see if his base grows.
People assume Biden has the ability to beat Trump again, as if the world stopped Jan 20, 2021 and the voters haven’t witnessed what they’ve witnessed over the last 2.5 years. Biden’s brand is not what he claimed it to be. That’s a known known at this point.
Is it the criminalization of politics? Didn't Mitch McConnell, after Jan 6, give as one reason not to convict Trump after the second impeachment that Trump would be held accountable in another forum, meanin pretty clearly a criminal proceeding. Are you against all criminal indictments of politicians, with being a politician then meaning an immunity from criminal law? 1000s of people have been indicted for their actions on Jan. 6. All, or mostly all, non-politicans. But the guy who called them forth, their leader, should be immune, while his followers go to jail?
A bit of histry on whether leaders should be subject to law. In the middle of October 1648, it had still not been decided what should happen to the dear King, who was in captivity, having been defeated at arms. Part of the Parliament wanted to reach a deal with the King, whereby he would give up many of his powers, but would be put back on the throne. The Scots wanted him to become a Presbyterian, and go back on the throne. A group of solidiers in Cromwell's Army offered a petition to the head of the Army, Lord Fairfax, expressing their earnest desire "that impartial and speedy justice may be done upon all criminal persons and ... that the same fault may have the same punishment in the person of King or Lord as in the person of the poorest commoner."
Within three months of this petition, the King was tried and executed.
Would that the spirit that animated these common soldiers 370 years ago in England still lived on today.
The NYT ignores the story about the corruption and weaponization of the entire federal government, in favor of a political horse race story. None so blind, etc., and to hell with them.
WHY??? We all KNOW why.
"What happened on January 6 shook liberal America to its core.
If this was such a dark and destructive event in our history, why did the now-defunct committee destroy the evidence? "
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/08/10/the-media-ignores-defunct-jan-6-committees-destruction-of-evidence-n2626849
"For some Republicans, the mere fact that Democrats were investigating and charging Mr. Trump with crimes was added reason to support him."
It's not the charges per se that are increasing Trump's support, it's that they lend credence to the things he's been saying about DC corruption.
By the same token, I imagine Lyndon Larouche's support would have doubled or tripled if the Queen of England had tried to have him assassinated.
"...upside down reality where criminal charges act as political assets...".
Well, that's (Bob Menendez) never (Clintons) happened before (Ted Kennedy) to anyone.
So if legitimate prosecution is good for Trump, shouldn't Biden getting impeached help good old Joe get re-elected as well? When we do start reading how impeachment is good for Joe?
"the former president has turned criminal charges into political assets"
Not so much "the charges" as the realization that the regime wants to take him down BAMN, forcing us to take sides. It's part of their strategy, of course, but also unavoidable for those of us who'd prefer to see Trump go away: we despise progs more.
"[p]rogramming across conservative media centered on the idea"
A variation on Republicans pounce.
"Mr. Trump was the victim of a justice system hijacked by Democrats"
Right. And Dems like it.
"Mr. DeSantis’s fight against “wokeness” became passé — a matter of small stakes"
Not really. In the end, it's all one cause, one fight, one set of stakes.
"I'm glad this is backfiring. I have never been a Trump supporter, but I hate the criminalization of politics."
I appreciate Althouse's view. It's a good sign. Althouses voting against prog depredations, en masse, consistently, squashing them, would be a better sign.
The real goal of the Democrats and their media allies (which these days is starting to include Fox) is to whip up another damaged person like James Hodgkinson* to have a go at shooting Donald Trump. That’s what articles like this one are targeted towards.
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* You remember James Hodgkinson in 2017? Democrat activist and Bernie Bro who used an illegally-modified Russian SKS assault rifle (yes, a real military assault rifle, not just an AR) in an attempt to assassinate Republican legislators for the crime of being Republicans. He nearly succeeded with Steve Scalise, but Capitol Police shot Hodgkinson before he could do any more harm. This was back before the Capitol Police realized how much fun it is to shoot or bludgeon to death unarmed Trump supporters.
The only fascists in this country style themselves "anti-fascist". The only racists in this country vote Democratic. It's 1860 all over again, the only difference is geography.
They are creating a folk hero: "Donald Trump, Superstar". There are a lot of parallels to the story.
"And every word you say today
Get's twisted 'round some other way,
And they's hurt you if they think you've lied."
or
"Democrat 1:]
That man is in town right now to whip up some support
[Deomocrat 3]
A rabble-rousing mission that I think we must abort
[Democrats]
He is dangerous
[MOB]
"Donald Trump Superstar"
[Democrtats]
He is dangerous.
Biden:
What then to do about Trump of Manhattan?
Miracle wonderman, hero of fools
We dare not leave him to his own devices
His half-witted fans will get out of control
[MSNBC]
But how can we stop him?
[New York Times]
His glamor increases
[Washington Post]
By leaps ev'ry minute
[CNN]
He's top of the polls"
Biden
"We must crush him completely,
Like Sarah before him, he must be destroyed."
Garland:
"But wait! We need a more permanent solution to our problem..."
It's a template. I have no doubt that the anti-Trumpers here will take this out of context, and twist it around some other way, but they are creating a folk hero, as if they are copying from a Hollywood formula. But like with Kahn in Pakistan, their only hope is to put him in prison and fave a judge forbid him to run, and hope it doesn't get reversed until it's too late. Same as Jack Smith did to McDougle in Virginia.
I think that like Sampson, if we are looking for biblical references, he is going to collapse the rotten corpse of the evil Empire that the United States has become; even if he loses, they have been exposed as craven megalomaniacs, utterly corrupted by power. As Nietzsche said, "When something is falling over, you should push it."
Without free speech, there is no democracy, without transparent elections, there is not even a farcical pretense of democracy. What's the point? This is why I won't vote for some cuck Republican who only hopes that the crocodile will eat him last.
Unsure if the charges would have been brought if Trump was never running.
I agree with an earlier comment. Retribution, and punishment is a factor in the lawfare approach to politics. Suffer the consequences for your unsanctioned activities. In this case, attempting to exercise power from outside the DC elite.
Another reason is as a warning to other outsiders (are you paying attention, Ramaswamy?).
'never think you can come into this town without kissing all the rings of power')
"Good. I'm glad this is backfiring." Maybe backfiring on the NYT, but it is doing harm to us normal Republican voters. We are losing the opportunity to choose a candidate that might win.
Blogger rehajm said...
I concur- stop referring to Fox as if it is a conservative alternative. They’re in on it with all the others. The Washington Generals of news…
Yes, the firing of Tucker Carlson shows this clearly. The interview of the Capitol police chief again is a tell because the origin al interview was never broadcast but is still "owned" by Fox. All of Tucker's crew have also been fired.
Fox seems to be trying to transition to entertainment from politics.
If Trump wasn’t leading Biden in the polls outside the margin of error, well, other than the ones massaged in the way Wikileaks showed they do, i would go with the triple bank shot theories, but look at what we did in Pakistan over Ukraine, that’s the solution they want, a final solution, so to speak.
Electorally, Trump’s major problem is his standing with independents. The indictments have failed to earn him one additional independent vote.
In polls where Trump leads Biden it is typically due to Biden losing ground to undecideds.
The election will be won by the person who is not the major issue. Will Trump’s narcissism even let that happen?
Ron DeSantis failing to catch on as a reasonable alternative to Donald Trump might have something to do with it.
So, now the Biden's Stalinist DoJ has indicted Trump and trying to jail him for a misplacing a documents, and saying something about election fraud, the NYT's is treating that as "criminal behavior".
Republican voters (the smart ones) know Biden is trying to jail Trump for partisan reasons and the charges are bullshit. They are angry at this abuse of power. Hence, Trump has benefited. And the other Candidates who support Biden's corruption and attempt to choose his Republican opponent are seem rightly as traitors and cucks.
If DeSantis has any political brains, he would leading the charge against the Corrupt Biden DOJ and being outraged over the bullshit prosecution of Trump. This would win over Trump's base, who would see him as one of them, fighting the Establishment. But DeSantis can't do that, because he is really the Jeb, Paul Ryan, Mitch Mcconnell candidate. He's Romney with a Florida tan.
Its amazing how the MSM and the NYT's (one and the same) create this alternae reality full of lies and half-truths and then gaslight everyone into believing black is white and up is down.
And then when anyone tells the truth, they act like the person is CRAZY or could only say it because they are Russian agents speading "Disinformation" or trying to mislead the public.
Up is down. Black is white. We see burning cities described as "Mostly peaceful". A few people wandering around the capital is an "Insurrection" a "Coup" trying to "overthrow the government". The 2022 election was "Without fraud and completely fair" and anyone who disagees is "defrauding the public". Biden is controlling the border. The SCOTUS has been taken over by right-wingers and is "Out of control". The economy is great, and there is no infilation.
Its like living in the USSR.
Althouse, I am by no means the first one to offer this comment, but I'll do it anyway to emphasize the point.
I'm not sure that I subscribe to the following view, but there are many who do. It is this; having Trump as the GOP nominee is good, because Trump can be beaten and probably will be beaten, and for haters of Trumpism, few things are better than Trump electoral losses. Criticizing Trump in the press doesn't do much; charging Trump with crimes doesn't do much; forcing Trumpists to see Trump as a "loser" is the best medicine. Showing Trump fans, once again, that the people whom they like in primaries are the people who lose general elections.
I am personally coming around to that view. Mostly due to the increasing inevitability of Trump as the GOP nominee.
You seem to presume that indictments of Trump are "backfiring," inasmuch as some Trump supporters seem to be energized by those developments. On its face, that's a modestly reasonable presumption.
The attached presumption is that the indictments are political in nature and their sole or main purpose is political and not for vindicating the criminal law. That's a weirdly audacious presumption. If Trump is tried, and convicted by successive jury verdicts, and the trials and verdicts are sustained on appeal, will that change your mind? It doesn't matter to me but I just want to know where you're coming from on the detailed merits of the criminal charges. Are they purely political? If so, what would be the basis for that belief?
NYT explaining more things they know nothing about.
The Bud Light moment is the perfect way of visualizing what is now going on in politics. Company decides it hates its customer base; customer base becomes aware of this and returns the favor; company decides to regain favor and, assuming an essential mockery of deeply held values will not be noticed, issues a commercial cluttered with symbols which the customer base values, including the American flag; mockery is noticed and customer base transition becomes permanent; company is unable to understand and so continues ad campaigns which expose its conviction that its hatred and contempt for its customer base is still hidden.
That's going on in politics right now. Hatred and contempt for the American people and government by the people become evident when NYT & Co. try to pretend that millions of dollars in money transfers to the then Vice-Presidents son are not evidence of influence peddling while Trump is charged with something or other; They Who Cannot Be named, the clique around Biden tries to pretend that the whole sequence of events is just an expression of a father's love and concern for a wayward, troubled son while Trump is charged with something; the American people all know influence peddling when they see it and so they see how much contempt lies behind the premise that they can be fooled by the Hallmark grieving father- lost son scenario; They Who Cannot Be Named simply can't believe that people whom they despise can see through them and so they continue to exhibit their contempt which they continue to believe is impenetrably hidden. So stands America. And still the summer in Wisconsin is beautiful, passing on majestic and fruitful while we reap our bitter human harvest.
The collective woke they/them incel corrupt left want Trump destroyed - and at the top of the ticket against Biden/Kamala(D-mob)
Nothing new. Boring. The MSM(D) are boring.
When was it that the Republican [arty become so anti-rule of law? Has it been a long time and I just didn't notice? I guess I'll give Trump credit for bringing it to my attention.
I don’t think that this is backfiring. I think it’s meeting the goals of the Democrats. They know they win against Trump and lose (at least with Biden) against anyone else. So bait the R’s to pick the sure loser.
Notice that the people who work at the NYT take it for granted that "news" is slanted political propaganda.
"The NYT tries to explain the "upside-down reality..."
Forget it, Jake. It's the people that said Jan6 was a coup attempt, insurrection.
the new york times is evil, see holomodor holocaust castro vietnam et al,
Mr Wibble at 8:14 is right.
The hate is irrational and out of control. And the idea that the purpose of this persecution is to elevate Trump, who already had the nomination in his pocket, is, well, I'll just say that it is wrong.
Trump is benefiting from a well-known phenomenon embodied in the simple request FDR made of the American people, decades ago: “I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
But after Mr. Trump’s first indictment... [p]rogramming across conservative media centered on the idea that Mr. Trump was the victim of a justice system hijacked by Democrats.
None of us need the media to tell us this is true.
All the FBI agents who committed perjury in the Russiagate investigation are still employed. Nit fired, not indicted- but employed and many have been promoted.
Remember Trump's meme: "They're not after me. They're after you. I'm just in the way.
This is becoming quite evident and explains the increased support for Trump with each indictment.
The NYT, their bubbleheads and other amoral Democrats can't see this, because they are the "they" to whom Trump was referring.
The people pushing upside down realities are complaining that deplorables are creating an upside down reality of their own.
How dare you?
Self awareness thing again.
"I hate the criminalization of politics."
And what about when politicians commit crimes amidst the political process? Do you hate that too?
Or, as you've been doing (when you want to), do you just ignore the hearings, the criminal indictments, etc, so that you can continue portraying what happened as a big nothing?
War is a method of politics. As is corruption, as is campaign fraud. Politics is nasty. It's criminal ALL THE TIME. It requires enforcement ALL THE TIME. Honestly the phrase "I hate the criminalization of politics" is so head-in-the-sand and ahistorical and naive that I just can't even comprehend it being spoken seriously.
The important case here will be the one in Atlanta. If Fani can convict Trump and other Republicans for trying to expose election fraud it will open the door for Democrat prosecutors in every corrupt Democrat city to facilitate election fraud by intimidation.
Democrats won't need cowardly or corrupt judges to endorse their wins because challenges will be too risky. Elections will become Democrat referenda.
They could have described the race as boiling down to pitting an under indictment and possibly criminally convicted Trump versus usually a incoherent senescent international embarrassment Biden. But they missed that opportunity to be accurate.
In Politico, Rich Lowry has an interesting analysis comparing Trump with Huey Long. They are very similar in all the important ways.
this one
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/12/two-genders-kari-lake-challenges-nyt-wapo-reporters-milk-bull/
Didn't someone say in 2016 the New York times is dying? That was 8 years ago and its still dying? Wrong over and over?
United States Representative Mike Turner (R-Ohio), the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, conceded on Sunday's edition of Face the Nation that Republicans still lack direct proof that implicates President Joe Biden in a scheme spanning his entire career to personally profit from his son Hunter's professional relationships
Congressional Republicans are accusing Biden of corruption at the same time that Department of Justice special counsel Jack Smith is pursuing multiple criminal indictments against former President Donald Trump for allegedly attempting to overturn the 2020 election.
On Friday, Attorney General Merrick Garland assigned David C. Weiss of the District Court for the District of Delaware — whom Trump nominated in 2018 — as special counsel in the ongoing inquiries into Hunter Biden. Yet some Republicans, like Senators Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, complained that Weiss is giving Biden preferential treatment.
"Weiss has been compromised. His whole team to me has been compromised. The sweetheart plea deal was written for Hunter Biden in a way that no American would get advantage of that deal," Graham told Fox News on Friday. COMER AND GYM ARE THE WORST INCOMPETENTS EVER ON THOSE COMMITTEES..yikes keep fishing fellas
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Grassley similarly tweeted that Weiss "pulled punches/didn't investigate as he should've."
CBS News moderator Margaret Brennan noted to Turner that these same GOP lawmakers are the people parroting Trump's counternarrative that he is a target of political persecution by the DOJ.
"Why would a US attorney appointed by President Trump working under a Republican attorney general [William Barr] with career prosecutors have that level of conspiracy?" Brennan asked.
Almost the first thing that happened after Trump was elected in 2016 is that the "Deep State" (e.g., the FBI) took away his National Security Advisor -- without a whimper from Trump. That was, of course, only the beginning.
After 4 years as President, Trump had made NO SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS against the "Deep State". Now, the "Deep State" and MSM, etc. want to sucker Republican primary voters into nominating Trump for President because the Deep State, etc. think that even Biden could beat him in the general election.
But suppose Trump is nominated AND WINS? Has he showed ANY sign that he is more capable of getting the Deep State under control now than 8 years ago?
The only potential GOP candidate that I think might be able to do that is DeSantis. If you've got a better candidate, I'd like to hear from you.
Blogger jim5301 said...
When was it that the Republican [arty become so anti-rule of law? Has it been a long time and I just didn't notice? I guess I'll give Trump credit for bringing it to my attention.
Which laws are those jim1234? Are they the ones that Weiss has been following with Hunter and Joe Biden ? Are they the ones that Hillary followed with her bathroom server that was never seen by the FBI? Come on, you know which laws apply to Republicans ! Those laws that put 1,000 Trump supporters in jail for "trespassing." And the ones that apply to parents at school board meetings.
Rusty said...
But any Others? How will Trump's legal troubles affect his Black Vote*?
I seem to remember that Trump briought the highest level of black employment in sixty years. But on stat impressed me because it was local. Under Clinton and Obama black youth unemployment,(under 19) was north of 75%. Under Trump that was reduced to 40%.
Poor Rusty. I don't think he meant much by this comment other than to congratulate Trump on a now-outdated factoid that reflected well on Trump. It would be a reasonable comment, but for the fact that Trump is a criminal sociopath running to be President of the United States after trying to illegally overturn the last election for President.
So, just for the hell of it, I'm going to beat the living shit out of this Rusty's "black unemployment" fact.
Black unemployment is lower under President Biden, than it was under Trump. Under Biden, black employment numbers have never been better. Even after a pandemic, black employment has never been higher. Bidenomics.
hombre wrote: “Remember Trump's meme: "They're not after me. They're after you. I'm just in the way.“
Trump was indicted for all of us. This approach is readily understood by Christians & New Testament scholars, but it’s something of a novelty for the American legal system.
The people on the left aren't (all) stupid, they simply see a different world than many of us can perceive. This will not end well. I feel like there simply is no middle ground left to meet on.
@Douglas B. Levine said: "In Politico, Rich Lowry has an interesting analysis comparing Trump with Huey Long. They are very similar in all the important ways."
I read a biography of Huey a couple of years ago, and as I waded through its ~800 pages, I was struck at the similarities to Trump as well. They leapt out at you. An Establishment Political Class of all parties, with years of entitlement politics, back room corruption, ward heelers and bagmen and political appointees galore, owning the public governmental machinery on a grand scale for years, were skewered and roasted by a populist who flat out beat them with his raw animal energy and drive. Long made the first use of radio and barnstorming campaigns with sound trucks, all through Louisiana, and the poor & ignorant populace started to wake up, and started to educate themselves on what had been going on. They were outraged, but mostly they loved Huey because they knew in their heart he was doing it on their behalf - and couldn't care less if he cut corners or got rich.
Trump did more than just beat Hillary. He interrupted the Progressive's Long Game, the gradual, methodical transformation of the US into a entitlement-dominated, near-Socialist project. They had to scramble for 4 long years with every shirt-tail, subversive campaign they could dream up to spoil things for Trump. I figure that's why they hate him with the heat of 1,000 suns: He stole their key moment in the timeline of the USA, and they'll never get it back. Too many people have wised up.
"The NYT is being oblivious: Democrats want Republicans to nominate Trump, know that the indictments will help this happen and would not be indicting Trump if he wasn't running for president again."
I disagree. I think they'd still be doing it even if he wasn't running. It's about fulfilling progressives' revenge fantasies.
I really REALLY want another option than Trump vs. Biden in 2024, but its looking less and less likely.
BothSidesNow said...
"Are you against all criminal indictments of politicians, with being a politician then meaning an immunity from criminal law?"
Sounds like Althouse is- more N.I.G on the pajamas logic.
Rule of law, and mis-rule under color of law are 2 different things. There seems to be some confusion about that on the left side.
Douglas B. Levene said...
In Politico, Rich Lowry has an interesting analysis comparing Trump with Huey Long. They are very similar in all the important ways.
such as: Both being assassinated by the Democrat Party? Or am i supposed to save that for later?
"In Politico, Rich Lowry has an interesting analysis comparing Trump with Huey Long. They are very similar in all the important ways."
From the article...
"In contrast, of course, Trump lost the last presidential election and is persistently unpopular nationally."
Where else have I read that Trump is unpopular? Everywhere, that's where. Even here. It's almost like a uniparty talking point- keep repeating it and eventually, people will come to believe it. I mean- the man who got more votes than anybody else ever (a marked ballot is not the same thing as a vote, BTW) is "persistently unpopular nationally"?
Yeah, sure. That's the ticket.
I don't care for Trump's demeanor. But, I can't think of many policies he pushed I do not like. The one I did not like for personal reasons, SALT, sucked out 0.3% from the top .1% even as the press Shouted the "Tax Cuts for the Rich" lie to anyone that would listen. Every income category gained wealth share with the bottom 50% gaining the most, doubling their aggregate share of wealth while the top 0.1% lost wealth.
The man is tough. He survived Hillary with her 2X war chest, she, anointed, an opposition press, his own "Never Trump" party, a soft coup, and two impeachments.
Now he refuses to bow down to those who try to cow him.
Given the FBI attempted a soft coup on a duly elected president, and then put their thumb on the scale for their candidate in 2020, I assert:
The US will survive 4 years of Trump. It will NOT survive this government that will not allow us to elect whom we want.
A vote for Trump, 2024, is a vote for our constitutional republic.
"Backfiring" is a good first step. I'm looking forward to the part where we start firing back.
"Poor Rusty. I don't think he meant much by this comment other than to congratulate Trump on a now-outdated factoid that reflected well on Trump. "
When I want to hear from you I'll pull the butt plug out of your ass.
Is it backfiring though? He's way ahead in the polls, getting free media (thereby denying oxygen to his primary opponents while driving up his negatives), giving the media something to cover other than the current admin's scandals, and he is burning his campaign cash on lawyers. Sounds like the opposition is picking their own opposition (albeit with some inside help), and weakening him before the general election. If he doesn't spend a night in jail, I don't think that's a victory for his side.
I'd say it's not about Trump, he's just a symbol of substantial public recognition that the Federal government is blatantly corrupt and increasingly lawless (the last stop for republics if history is any guide.) One can believe Trump stand can hold back the tide of history but one will be disappointed. The unprecedented peacetime relocation of $100 billion of wealth is an indication of the continuing unraveling. Imprisoning Trump or banishing him to the Isle of Elba will not induce it to return The movement of wealth is the canary in the coalmine, Washington is a dog and pony show.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/a-100-billion-wealth-migration-tilts-us-economy-s-center-of-gravity-south-1.1939466
I'm going to push back on the idea that the Democrats want Trump to be the nominee.
No way!
My theory continues to be that Democrats are terrified of Trump. And they hate him. They're prosecuting him over and over, not as part of some (stupid) master plan, but because they can't help themselves. He makes them emotional and they are compulsively going after him.
I think there's a very good chance he won the 2020 election, forcing the Democrats to cheat. That would explain why so many Democrats continued to attack him, even after he "lost" the election. They are desperate to sabotage his 2024 candidacy.
If Democrats were master planners, they would be trying to dump Biden a lot harder than they are. Biden has okay days and really bad days, and he is going to be awful on the campaign trail and the debate stage.
He is too old for his office, and more and more people are noticing his fuck ups, even the media. (Wait until the attack ads start running!)
I think there is no way that Biden will win the 2024 election. The Republican nominee is going to blow him out of the water. So the Republican primary continues to be of primary importance.
Democrats are trying to distract Trump with criminal charges and keep him from campaigning or winning.
They are terrified of him.
"So, just for the hell of it, I'm going to beat the living shit out of this Rusty's "black unemployment" fact.
Black unemployment is lower under President Biden, than it was under Trump. Under Biden, black employment numbers have never been better. Even after a pandemic, black employment has never been higher. Bidenomics.
8/13/23, 6:11 PM"
So just for the hell of it, I'm calling you a liar....
The U.S. job market posted strong growth and a decline in unemployment in July, but unemployment ticked higher among Black workers.
Across the board, unemployment rose to 6% for the group. When broken down by gender, Black men saw unemployment rise to 5.7%, while the rate declined to 5.3% among women.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/july-jobs-report-black-workers-see-rise-in-unemployment-.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1659721321
DaveL said...
"I believe that keeping Trump in the spotlight is what the Democrats want. They believe Biden will beat Trump but lose to other GOP hopefuls. The question is, are they right?"
I suspect that's the strategy. They figure that if Biden could beat Trump once, he can do it again. (And Trump has more negative baggage than he had before.)
Interesting that not one commenter makes a meaningful attempt to argue that Trump is innocent of the charges. They just talk about how Democrats did it too, or the indictment should have been done sooner, or it’s generally unfair for whatever reason to put him on trial.
"A vote for Trump, 2024, is a vote for our constitutional republic."
No more so than a vote for anyone else on the ballot in 2024. Of course, Trump has already shown his contempt for our constitutional republic, in his empty efforts to invalidate the 2020 election. (He has also shown himself to be a wretched human being.) That notwithstanding, the people are free to vote for their candidate of choice, however miserable a person and/or public official the people's choice may be, and to the winner goes the spoils.
"Trump did more than just beat Hillary. He interrupted the Progressive's Long Game, the gradual, methodical transformation of the US into a entitlement-dominated, near-Socialist project."
Completely delusional.
Would CNN et al describe what Al Gore did in 2000 as trying to overturn the certified election? Should he have been arrested for conspiracy against rights? What Trump did is the legislative equivalent of filing a motion to dismiss with a judge. In this case he "petitioned" Pence to consider the Trump legal team's interpretation of the ECA and us his discretion to allow an investigation into the legitimacy of the election. Pence did not. Fine. But Trump should not be arrested for it.
wendybar, your story that you claim rebutted me is a year old.
My link from the White House is from last April.
Your apology will be accepted. Rusty's apology will just be laughed at.
"Completely delusional."
Hard to find a more solid endorsement than that, considering the source. Saludos.
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