From "How Much Do Words Matter? A scholar of medieval literature believes that words used in the past can empower women in the present" (The New Yorker), discussing the book "Mother Tongue: The Surprising History of Women’s Words," by Jenni Nuttall. My excerpt leans toward quoting Nuttall. The article itself is by S.C. Cornell, and this is this author's first New Yorker article.
August 27, 2023
"Noting that forty-five per cent of British women cannot find the vagina on an unmarked diagram, while fifty-nine per cent of American women cannot find the uterus..."
"... a shocking fact that Nuttall blames in part on the hard-to-remember Latinate words—she laments the loss of terms such as 'wings,' 'gates,' and 'ports' that once described female anatomy. She dislikes 'period' as a word for menstruation: much better is 'the fluidity' of the long-lost 'overflownis.' In place of the Latinate 'deliver,' which to Nuttall sounds 'as if the baby’s just handed to us out of the tinfoiled crib of a takeaway food courier,' she suggests the sturdy Middle English of 'barnish' or 'bearn.'
As a word campaigner, Nuttall is blithely decisive when it doesn’t matter, and cagey when it does. She is happy to advocate for words that have no chance of taking off, or to judge a word for a history that is no longer expressed in its meaning. But on subjects that she has identified as politically contentious—exactly where etymological expertise, wisely or not, is most sought—she is anxiously neutral. 'Queer,' she writes, has been reclaimed 'by some'; 'for others,' it 'remains an irredeemable slur.' Phrases like 'pregnant people' and 'people with a uterus' are 'for some,' helpful, precise, and inclusive; 'for others,' this language 'obscures social reality' or is 'dehumanising.'... 'Taking into account patriarchy’s habit of urging women to be quiet and of caricaturing those women who do speak up or out as gossipy, frivolous, hysterical, dull or bitchy, it seems regressive to stifle women’s words, however progressive the motivation. Each woman must have the terms of her own choosing.'"
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so.. MOST people don't understand the words they've used.. THEIR WHOLE LIVES?
So.. Instead they should use dead words, from dead languages.. that they've NEVER LEARNT ?
Who wants to bring back the word "wenches"? Show of hands?
Each woman must have the terms of her own choosing.'"
No!
This is precisely the problem. Women don't get to change the language to their personal preference, just like the idiots trying to force us to use invented pronouns or refer to mothers as "parents who get pregnant" don't.
Suddenly I don't feel so bad about not finding her G-spot.
May I ask why I need to identify my uterus on a diagram? I seriously doubt I can find my pancreas. Or my thyroid. I’d probably confuse liver with kidneys. Tell me, please, what is so empowering about idolizing or focusing on our reproductive organs?
Makes me think of Cate Blanchett being asked to identify her moral compass. Her answer was her vagina. Can you imagine the reaction if a man said his moral compass was located in his penis?
I couldn’t care less what we call these things. I’d suggest the reason most women can’t identify these things is because we don’t really care or think about it.
It's not so much silencing women when they speak out but more that that they speak nonsense.
Ex gf said she didn't know she had a vagina until she was ten.
Three years ago there was a lot of attention on "Naked Athena," the young woman protesting something in Portland by sitting spread eagle on the street. Many of the stories asserted that her vagina was on display for the world. When I replied to a tweet posted by someone from the LA Times to note it was her vulva, not vagina, on display, she blocked me.
Good composition rules say avoid Latin-derived words in favor of Anglo-Saxon, which will have fewer part-of-speech changes in suffixes.
A perfect Althousian post- both on the topic of women, and how they are described, and on the use of language. What struck me most was the idea that 45% of British women cannot find the vagina on an unmarked diagram and 59% of women cannot find the uterus.
Do you know what 100% of all people can find? Men Song, by Martin Mull.
Boy, after years of us guys getting grief...
45? 59? I don’t believe those numbers.
But is The New Yorker telling us that public schools have failed the plebes? Or that plebes are idiots?
Nothing says modern feminism like reverting to medieval terminology.
Queer used be a pejorative to mean a male homosexual.
Then some gay men saw what dick Gregory and others were doing with the n word and started acting proud of being queer. As gay men.
Now I have no idea what the word means. Kids and 20 somethings us it to mean whatever they want at a given moment. Ask again in an hour get a different meaning
John Henry
Obviously, public schools are no longer teaching biology in schools. Instead they are teaching gender queer indoctrination which provides no actual knowledge of the female form. We learned the various body parts and their functions in about the 5th or 6th grade back in the 70s. For the sexual reproduction portion of the lesson, the girls were in one class and the boys in another. It wasn't too many years later than we learned on our own how it all fit together.
I find it shocking that so many women can’t identify vagina and uterus on a diagram after having sex education taught in out public schools for for at least a couple of generations. Have they thrown out the human body anatomy portions in favor of how to have sex?
"Each woman must have the terms of her own choosing" but they shouldn't have Latin (or presumably Greek) roots? I am confused! I find her position to be somewhat inconsistent and suffering from overblownis -- if a man may be so bold as to use a term of his own.
I blame much modern language on Madison Avenue marketing. New and improved, fun sized, and so on are just the tip of the midden.
>'Taking into account patriarchy’s habit of...caricaturing those women who do speak up or out as gossipy, frivolous, hysterical, dull or bitchy,<
A false equivalency fallacy that this writer just casually throws out to be cursorily accepted as we go on to the next sentence. Nice try, but in fact "patriarchy" - and most everyone else - characterize as gossipy, frivolous, hysterical, dull or bitchy those women who, you know, are gossipy, frivolous, hysterical, dull or bitchy. Those women's speaking up or out is simply for demonstration purposes.
Not surprising! It is likely that there is another vital that a similar percentage of American women can't find - with both hands.
Writing now as the single authorized representative of the patriarchy, I am pleased to confirm that the patriarchy is quite proud of its habit to urge women whose words are gossipy, frivolous, hysterical, dull or bitchy to please put a sock in it.
Any woman who's birthed a baby can tell you where the vagina and uterus are. (Oh, can we!) I suggest these numbers reflect the lack of women carrying a fetus to term.
cfs said
"Obviously, public schools are no longer teaching biology in schools. Instead they are teaching gender queer indoctrination which provides no actual knowledge of the female form. We learned the various body parts and their functions in about the 5th or 6th grade back in the 70s. For the sexual reproduction portion of the lesson, the girls were in one class and the boys in another. It wasn't too many years later than we learned on our own how it all fit together."
This.
"Noting that forty-five per cent of British women cannot find the vagina on an unmarked diagram, while fifty-nine per cent of American women cannot find the uterus..."
And yet they know very well how to f*ck...
'Taint much difference between that and not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground.
"Empowering" women? Bwhahahaha. More claptrap.
MarcusB. THEOLDMAN
That's why "bonus hole" is such a game changer. It can be identified by 100% of wymyn. At least those who aren't chest-feeders.
Dagwood said...
Suddenly I don't feel so bad about not finding her G-spot.
Winner!
Trans men don't use prissy Latin words to describe their female equipment, which they call the "bonus hole."
IOW it's a feature, not a bug.
Maybe it's because half of the women in Britain are Muslim and they aren't taught such things, let alone how to read...
"... a shocking fact that Nuttall blames in part on the hard-to-remember Latinate words—she laments the loss of terms such as 'wings,' 'gates,' and 'ports' that once described female anatomy."
Doesn't like Latin-derived words? She should love Poul Anderson's text on atomic theory: Uncleftish Beholding
Years ago, before Democrat-inspired inflation, black kids couldn't add 5 plus 5, but they did know that two nickels equaled a dime. It all depends on your environment.
I'm kinda sympathetic to realigning meanings and words.
The word used for loving couples mattress dancing should NOT be the same word used as a general-purpose intensifier AND a word condemning it's target to a hate motivated assault.
Shakespeare used the shepherd's work "tupping" appropriately.
It's not that they don't know where their vagina is. The problem is that they were asked to find it on a "diagram of the female anatomy." Which is like finding it on a map. It's just a girl thing. We love you anyway, but we know you have limitations.
I cannot find Wetwang on a map of England.
I thought it was called the “bonus hole,” not the vagina.
The comment about British Muslim women is probably a factor. Of course they don't have to know about clitoris because they have been cut off.
"she laments the loss of terms such as 'wings,' 'gates,' and 'ports' that once described female anatomy."
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
- Some Racist Dead Guy
"Men Song, by Martin Mull."
The man was a national treasure. I wonder if there are Fernwood Tonight episodes out on the Internet.
I wonder (not really) how many medieval women could have identified any internal organ on a modern anatomy chart.
The back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP. A front hole, a top hole, more? Semantic liberalism.
With social progress, a significant diversity of women believe that babies are delivered by Stork.
Fetus is a technical term of art used by medical staff and abortionists to socially distance themselves from their victim.
Gender was sex-correlated attributes (e.g
sexual orientation). Trans- refers to a state or process of divergence.
Some of this makes perfect sense to me.
English is a hodgepodge of old English and a dozen or so unrelated languages — primarily Latin and French.
But native English speakers are brought up on old English — think Mother Goose rhymes.
Some of Churchill’s most remembered speeches were those in which he specifically eliminated Latinate and French derived words because he believed the the English would react at a guttural level to the old English.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender
“Surrender”,the final word, is the only French word.
He once said, “ The only thing I would whip boys for is not knowing English. I would whip them hard for that.”
Hear! Hear! For English.
Some of this makes perfect sense to me.
English is a hodgepodge of old English and a dozen or so unrelated languages — primarily Latin and French.
But native English speakers are brought up on old English — think Mother Goose rhymes.
Some of Churchill’s most remembered speeches were those in which he specifically eliminated Latinate and French derived words because he believed the the English would react at a guttural level to the old English.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender
“Surrender”,the final word, is the only French word.
He once said, “ The only thing I would whip boys for is not knowing English. I would whip them hard for that.”
Hear! Hear! For English.
Some of this makes perfect sense to me.
English is a hodgepodge of old English and a dozen or so unrelated languages — primarily Latin and French.
But native English speakers are brought up on old English — think Mother Goose rhymes.
Some of Churchill’s most remembered speeches were those in which he specifically eliminated Latinate and French derived words because he believed the the English would react at a guttural level to the old English.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender
“Surrender”,the final word, is the only French word.
He once said, “ The only thing I would whip boys for is not knowing English. I would whip them hard for that.”
Hear! Hear! For English.
RideSpaceMountain said...
Who wants to bring back the word "wenches"? Show of hands?
8/27/23, 8:56 AM
Only if we use "knaves" too.
If women do not know where their vagina or uterus is, I don't think it has to do with the "Latinate words". We have a lot of Spanish speakers here who use almost the same words. Is "uterus" harder than "womb"? At least it's spelled the way it sounds while womb has that silent b. And for vagina? I have a suggestion (the second post today that's brought that word to mind), but I don't think I should actually mention it.
gspencer said...
Years ago, before Democrat-inspired inflation, black kids couldn't add 5 plus 5, but they did know that two nickels equaled a dime. It all depends on your environment
they didn't Just know that! they knew how many Grams in an Ounce!
HELL! they even knew how many grams in an 8-ball (1/8th oz)
Wow, and we thought it was bad when less than 50% of US citizens couldn't name our only black president besides Bill Clinton.
"Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas." ~ Toni Morrison
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