Said Samantha Casiano, quoted in "Woman suing Texas over abortion ban vomits on the stand in emotional reaction during dramatic hearing/Three plaintiffs testified about the trauma they experienced carrying nonviable pregnancies" (NBC News).
Casiano's wanted an abortion after her doctor told her — at 20 weeks of pregnancy — that her baby had anencephaly and could not survive. She did give birth to the baby, and the baby lived 4 hours.
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It’s hard for me to believe that the law actually bans termination for an anencephalic pregnancy. I find it easier to believe that hospitals and physicians over interpret the law, though, to avoid prosecution. That is common for all regulations and rules that come with a hefty penalty, like HIPAA. Also, when I was in training 30 years ago, the procedure for anencephaly discovered that late was to induce labor. And yes, the baby lives for a little while outside the uterus before dying.
Vomit and pregnancy go together like peanut butter and chocolate.
I'm sorry for her loss. To carry and give birth to a dying baby is unbearably sad.
I had a case like that. The issue was disposal of the fetus.
She should have come to Illinois. Surely Planned Parenthood could run freedom buses to this abortion paradise. It is one of the glories of federalism.
"It’s hard for me to believe that the law actually bans termination for an anencephalic pregnancy."
It does. It only has exceptions for the health of the mother. I'm pro-life but that is the text of the law as written.
So the woman named her baby, but is angry it had to be born? The child has a resting place now, a birth certificate, but she wishes it was just a memory? Pro death activists are sure radical.
I’m always highly suspicious of stories like this.
Remember the 12 year old girl who was raped and and had to flee to Indiana to get an abortion?
For the uninitiated:
The rapist was her (illegal) mother’s (also illegal) boyfriend.
She didn’t have to leave Ohio in the first place. The abortion could have been performed in Ohio under a medical exception.
But then it would not have given her (Planned Parenthood) activist lawyer a chance to make headlines.
What a terrible experience. But also, what a singular one. I would tend to agree that she was a victim of overcautious interpretation of the law, if, as the commenter above notes, induction is the usual course.
I understand that a 20-week fetus with this birth defect would likely also have lived outside the womb briefly if labor had been induced - so the only way to avoid that also-terrible knowledge - that, for a matter of minutes or hours, what you had hoped would be your baby but had turned out to be a fatal genetic error was alive - would have been an abortion, which has its own terrible knowledge attached - that you took action to kill the being you had been feeling move inside you.
Basically bearing a child with a devastating birth defect is going to give a woman terrible knowledge and terrible feelings about her body, it seems to me. I had a very very early miscarriage and I still felt frightened and appalled by what my body had done. Thank God for the three healthy children I was later able to have.
I'm sorry that Halo was not able to live. It would be hard, but I also have a friend who gave birth to a child with trisomy and gave birth to him. He has a name and a grave. Doctors try to tell you that your pain will go away if you can "just take care of it," but they're liars with an agenda.
I'm sorry for her tragedy - I have been in a similar situation myself, in my family, though not as traumatic. But alas, things are never acceptable at face value these days, now that political capital is involved. Progressive Liberals will always throw the slider after announcing the changeup is coming, slow and right over the plate.
She's left with over-cautious doctors that are scared of losing their license, and we're left with at least the strong suspicion of meticulous staging, in order to wring the utmost human emotion out of medical tragedy, all for the purpose of advocacy. Did she vomit on cue? Or am I being atavistic for shining light on the cynical potential of things?
Abortion hasn't been made illegal. Its controlling venue has been returned to the states by the highest court, so that their voting populaces can decide what they want. That tidbit was missing from this story. Why didn't she sue the doctor for refusing a legal procedure? Why did she take Texas to court, rather than simply make a short drive? If she needed a CT scan that wasn't available locally, would she go to court, or go to New Mexico? Because she's fighting for the cause, that's why. Please don't ask my indulgence for your dishonesty.
The law worked as written and intended.
So she CHOSE not to get an abortion in another state?
I do prefer the Texas law that drew the line at 20 weeks with exceptions and without heartbeat law. Not because I’m pro-life or pro-abortion, but because I think this is a divisive issue that is used and elevated by politicians that care more about using the topic to retain power than good governance, on this issue and then the many other issues that are more important to voters yet neglected over abortion.
An anencephalic baby is not a “child “. To consider it one is to devalue everything we should value about actual human life.
Jean Shepherd and his campmates were awed by a kid that could vomit whenever he wanted. The kid always got his way.
Because one woman was made to feel bad, all women must be allowed to kill their children.
No woman must be made to feel responsible for, or bad about, anything, ever.
Life is hard and often unfair (this has to be acknowledged) and some people are forced to go through horrific things, sometimes due to the law in their jurisdiction. Those with a case and a story can use that for leverage against the law as it exists. Nobody should pretend that dealing with this is easy or clear.
I find it amazing that some biological men aspire to give birth or nurse their children so that they can share in this experience through their own performance. Are they allies? The definition of ally has been as variable and valuable as the Zimbabwe dollar lately.
Peace and healing to this woman, with hope that she can find it sooner rather than later.
Slightly OT:
Short piece in an AMA online journal about the effects of the strict TX abortion law.
https://tinyurl.com/2zxca2xx
Three female PhD authors conclude that there were 9799 additional births between April and December 2022 due to the effects of the new law, and they conclude that "...results suggest not everyone who might have received an abortion in the absence of SB8 was able to obtain one."
Appears to be a solid study- lots of circles and arrows and stuff, and they all have Ph.D.s.
9799 missed opportunities! the horror!
The authors do not consider that some of these 9799 mothers would have aborted due to social or family pressure and were inwardly relieved that they were able to have their babies.
Or, that some of the mothers really wished that they could have aborted their babies, but now, having delivered their children, are madly in love with the little ones.
Or, that some of the mothers had babies that they truly did not want, gave them up to adoption, and have completed and fulfilled the lives of parents who were unable to conceive their own babies.
Or, that some of the babies who would have been aborted somehow manage to escape their predicaments and will grow up to do great things.
No, it's just 9799 missed opportunities for an abortion.
A final quote: "It is therefore crucial to continue closely monitoring any increases in the number of births that result from abortion restrictions because this may signal a curtailing of reproductive autonomy."
a curtailing of reproductive autonomy."
Women give up "reproductive autonomy" as part of the social contract in exactly the same way men give up autonomy and may be drafted. (Or forced to pay child support for a child they didn't want.)
Local news story.
Don’t live in Texas. Don’t care.
Give her an Oscar.
Leftist women. They be mentally ill.
So many pro-abortionists, high-dollar celebrities, billionaires, so little dollars for bus tickets and room and board.
They really are not interested in women getting an abortion, the are much more interested in having society ACCEPT that killing a baby in the womb is acceptable. As always, it is about power to democrats.
This is a side effect of legislators that swing so far one way, that others go to the extreme in the other direction. The left is so obtuse in saying they want to 'compromise' (i.e. there is no compromise) that the right will go in the complete opposite direction. The gulf gets bigger. This is the sad result.
What remedy are these women seeking? Why do they have standing? Shouldn't this woman (and possibly her doctor) have brought suit when she was pregnant, seeking an emergency injunction prohibiting prosecution of the doctor for performing an abortion? Surely that is the remedy for fearful or overly conservative legal interpretations; I can't even think what the remedy would be now, after the fact.
So many pro-abortionists, high-dollar celebrities, billionaires, so little dollars for bus tickets and room and board.
They really are not interested in women getting an abortion, the are much more interested in having society ACCEPT that killing a baby in the womb is acceptable. As always, it is about power to democrats.
I don't know how cynical I should be about this tragedy. I don't like being cynical about tragedies. There is a good chance, however, that all or part of this news is being manipulated....Why don't they simply amend the law or grant her an exception? Why didn't she simply take a trip to another state? I'm pretty sure that we're not hearing the whole story.
Great job by the PR team!
That is a reasonable indication for abortion. Was this a time issue?
"Sec. 171.046. EXCEPTIONS.
(c) The prohibitions and requirements under Sections 171.043, 171.044, and 171.045(b) do not apply to an abortion performed on an unborn child who has a severe fetal abnormality."
Many doctors become cruel and heartless animals when there is even a remote threat to their license, patient's well-being be damned. This would appear to be the case here.
How does this bullshit get into court? A law preserving life is at issue because of some woman's discomfort and her vomit?
A society run by Democrats will never be complete until they can kill babies and the elderly at will (see, Canada).
I will never go quietly. Nor would my pregnant daughter-in-law.
Name and shame the doctor involved.
stlcdr: "The gulf gets bigger. This is the sad result."
This result is called tribalism. It is only sad to you if your tribe is "American." If your tribe is Democrat, radical feminist, Marxist, LGBT, black race-baiter, etc., then all is proceeding as planned.
Very sad to carry a baby that is going to die.
Also it's very sad to kill a healthy baby because you're poor or your boyfriend is coercing you.
The abortion stories are always sad.
When you promote extreme policies, you get terrible results. Both sides over reacted. the left went from safe, rare abortions, to yup, anytime, including birth. The right set a date on it, and that causes problems.
a fetus, a clump of cells, a baby is separate from the mother. I wish the left would stop killing babies for sport and profit, like planned parenthood does, and treat it as a living being.
This isn't going to get better. The left will never stop wanting to end life, at anytime it's convenient for women. The right will continue to limit abortion, or ban it entirely.
Morality seems to belong to another era in history. Legislating it won't make it happen, but we continue to try.
"So many pro-abortionists, high-dollar celebrities, billionaires, so little dollars for bus tickets and room and board."
I'm like anyone else on the planet; I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, those little kids starving and very depressed. I watch these things on TV and I see those commercials. And I look at it and I think, 'God how cruel, to see a little kid out there.' And I go, 'Fuck, I know the film crew could give this kid a sandwich.' You know that kid's not out there filming a letter from home with a Betamax. You know there's a director five feet away going, 'Don't feed him yet. Get that sandwich out of here. Doesn't work unless he looks hungry.' - Sam Kinison
The Texas law under question explicitly gives the doctors and the patients the right to abort when the baby has "a severe fetal abnormality". I pulled the words directly from the Texas statute. Anencephaly is one of those recognized severe fetal abnormalities.
It isn't the law that was responsible for this woman having to carry the baby- it was a combination of her doctors choices and her own.
An analogy should make this clear- Texas law provides exceptions in the laws against homicide, like self-defense and protection of others. It would be silly to allow someone to sue the state for injuries sustained in an armed robbery that could have been prevented had the victim or by-stander not refrained from shooting the armed robber because they were afraid of being charged with murder. This is the exact same situation, and I can't help but suspect that the patient and the doctors deliberately refrained from performing this abortion precisely in order to file this lawsuit. It should be tossed out immediately by any competent and ethical judge.
Why is it hard to believe that the law would prohibit the intentional killing of a human being??
That she might have some disability, however severe, does not make the baby any less of a human being.
If you think that she should be killed, however, that might make you less of a human being.
I do prefer the Texas law that drew the line at 20 weeks with exceptions and without heartbeat law. Not because I’m pro-life or pro-abortion...
But you ARE pro-abortion.
Smilin' Jack said...
An anencephalic baby is not a “child “. To consider it one is to devalue everything we should value about actual human life.
To consider you, a complete POS, a human is to devalue everything we should value about actual human life.
A mother posted her story on Twitter over several weeks/months about the conjoined twins she was carrying who shared one heart and other vital organs. She was urged to abort, but refused even knowing that her daughters would die shortly after birth.
During their lives in the womb, the girls were loved. And after they were born, they were loved, including being baptized and receiving the sacrament of Confirmation. Maria Therese and Rachel Clare felt the love of being held in their parents arms for the hour they had after being born before being welcomed in the loving arms of God.
That's how you deal with a terminal diagnosis of a prenatal baby - with love.
https://twitter.com/nicolita_d/status/1658955197115146244
A mother posted her story on Twitter over several weeks/months about the conjoined twins she was carrying who shared one heart and other vital organs. She was urged to abort, but refused even knowing that her daughters would die shortly after birth.
During their lives in the womb, the girls were loved. And after they were born, they were loved, including being baptized and receiving the sacrament of Confirmation. Maria Therese and Rachel Clare felt the love of being held in their parents arms for the hour they had after being born before being welcomed in the loving arms of God.
That's how you deal with a terminal diagnosis of a prenatal baby - with love.
https://twitter.com/nicolita_d/status/1658955197115146244
"I felt like I was imprisoned in my own body.."
Aren't we all?
Remember the horror show of Gosnell's abortion mill in Philly? Many deaths, many wounded many psychologically scarred. Some of the MSM did not cover this because, they said, it was a "local" story.
El Predicto sez: Many stories like this woman in Texas will be national, hell intergalactic, newsworthy.
Sydney@7:13
Reason tells me that what you presented is more than likely the case. The drs aren't going to risk their licenses over this. So let nature take its course.
I am 100 Percent with Mark. Abortion was not the answer to this tragedy.
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