I'm reading "Bud Light suffers bloodbath as longtime and loyal consumers revolt against transgender campaign/'In Bud Light's effort to be inclusive, they excluded almost everybody else,' says a St. Louis bar owner" (Fox Business).
1. Since when is the model used in a beer ad representative of the people who drink the beer? It's not a question of who the model is but whether the model will influence consumers to buy the product. No one really cares about the various traits of the consumer. It doesn't matter that only "a fraction of 1%" of viewers of the ad are transwomen. What matters is whether this particular transwoman will influence more people to buy the product.
2. You might buy a product because you identify with the model in the ad, but you might buy it because you're attracted to the model — a skinny beautiful woman might make a fat man like the product — and you might buy it because the ad just caught your attention and made you remember the product so that you recognize it in the store. You might even miss the ad altogether but see that people are talking about the product in social media and in the mainstream news.
3. The opponents of the ad make it viral, and then the question is whether you identify with the opponents — perhaps to the point where you'd participate in a boycott — or whether you find these people uncool and offputting. Maybe you wouldn't have responded to overtly transgender women before but when you see hateful clods railing against them, you know you're on the other side.
4. Who drinks light beer anyway? Light beer ads have always struggled to prove their masculinity. But isn't that old fashioned? Isn't it "out-of-touch"? I don't watch ads, so I'm sure I've missed a lot, but I remember ads that were premised on anxiety that light beer isn't manly enough. The Dylan Mulvaney ad essentially says: We don't worry about that anymore. We can be whatever we want. Relax. Have fun. Have a drink. And isn't that what beer ought to say?
5. Don't like it? Don't drink! Or drink yourself into oblivion. But don't be an asshole. Why are you picking on Dylan Mulvaney? Do you think it makes you look like a man?
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Calm down! Have a beer!
Wait a minute!! Wait just a dog garned minute!!
I've (finally) figured out, what the VP was working at.. And, She is a Genius!!
She has come up with a Sure Fire Plan; to save Budlight HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in taxes!!!
Think of it! No sales.. No Profits!! No Profits.. NO TAXES!!!!
If I remember correctly, 40% of light beer drinkers are women. How many women will be more inclined to drink Bud Light because the company has paid Dylan to be a spokesperson? I'd say zero. It's bad business to offend your customers.
sounds like Ann thinks Trans Dylan is a comedien. Not a serious fake woman. isnt that a no no? arent we supposed to believe Dylan is actually a woman because he says he is. get your story straight Ann. amazing to see women supporting men mocking and trying to negate actual womanhood. the absolute opposite of what a feminist is supposed to be about. how far we have come baby..back to women baving to compete against men in sport..men taking lucrative advertising jobs, men taking womens spots in a ballet company. just mind boggling.
Good night Irene. I've had about enough of this shit. Althouse, I love your posts. I hate to say goodbye.
@Rt41Rebel: "Anheuser Busch should have had Mulvaney endorse Busch beer, or better yet, Busch Light."
Actually, a much better, really clever (and probably very effective) use of Mulvaney would be for the Mexican brand Dos Equis XX and named "Dos Equis XX Viviano". That would play off the XX (female) genetics but paired with the masculine form of "light" (viviano or ligero). Given how Mexican beers are viewed as cheap gonzo party beers, it would probably avoid all the culture war implications and be seen as a great playful gag. That is how you do 4D marketing.
@Rt41Rebel: "Anheuser Busch should have had Mulvaney endorse Busch beer, or better yet, Busch Light."
Actually, a much better, really clever (and probably very effective) use of Mulvaney would be for the Mexican brand Dos Equis XX and named "Dos Equis XX Viviano". That would play off the XX (female) genetics but paired with the masculine form of "light" (viviano or ligero). Given how Mexican beers are viewed as cheap gonzo party beers, it would probably avoid all the culture war implications and be seen as a great playful gag. That is how you do 4D marketing.
I haven't heard anyone picking on Dylan Mulvaney. He is just the useful idiot who thinks he is leading the charge, but will be discarded and forgotten when he is no longer useful.
It isn't about who drinks Bud Light. It's Budweizer, Bud Light Lime and anything else that says Budweizer on it. The Clydesdales will be booed. Anyone who brings a six pack of Budweizer to a picnic will get a, "Bro, what's up with that?"
It's also about who doesn't drink Budweiser. Trendy activists aren't likely to stop drinking trendy drinks to switch to Budweiser. A few may for a while, but there aren't as many as IRL as there are on social media.
"Male-bodied persons"? Oh sh#t! The mind snatchers have gotten Althouse!
I remember when Bud Lite was first introduced.
All those cruel homophobic jokes about a Butt Light have come to fruition. Who'da thunk??
An important driver of beer sales is shelf space. There are incentives to give more space or more prominent space to one brand or another.
A good friend and neighbor has been a supermarket GM for decades. He tells me Bud Light is now harder to find in his store and those of his competitors in the markets they serve.
Good.
There are 2 videos of Dylan Mulvaney on the internet from when he was a mentally ill boy. Once on Ellen, and once on The Price is Right. He has mental problems. He is mocking women with his fake take on how a woman acts. He is an imbecile, but the left loves them some imbeciles, so we get stuck with woke ass idiots getting famous for being fools.
"Why are you picking on Dylan Mulvaney? Do you think it makes you look like a man?"
No, but he is a man pretending to be a "girl", which he acts and IS the farthest thing from. Maybe he should act like the man he is and was when he was acting like a fool on Ellen and The Price is Right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOQbCTCB5-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfulifuUBIM
"Why are you picking on Dylan Mulvaney? Do you think it makes you look like a man?"
No, but he is a man pretending to be a "girl", which he acts and IS the farthest thing from. Maybe he should act like the man he is and was when he was acting like a fool on Ellen and The Price is Right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOQbCTCB5-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfulifuUBIM
"So, if you lose That group of 'frattys' and replace them with Ann Althouse, you'll STILL be selling a case a year (maybe).. Serious Question.. Ann? do you DRINK Beer? Did You (ever) Drink Beer? If so, what sort and how much?"
I might have a beer about twice a year. Something like St. Bernardus, the opposite of light. I haven't ordered a light beer in more than 30 years.
On the other hand, I might have a glass or 2 of wine about 5 or 10 times a year.
I'm not really a good target for alcohol advertising.
"No, but he is a man pretending to be a "girl", which he acts and IS the farthest thing from. Maybe he should act like the man he is and was when he was acting like a fool on Ellen and The Price is Right."
Mulvaney is a successful performer. What's the motivation to change the presentation? That it gets under your skin is part of the fun for the people who love it.
Ann, do you judge blackface on a case by case, too? Growing up in the 50s, I went to more than one charity minstrel show. Some of the jokes cracked by those black-faced endmen were pretty funny. Comedy is important! Or is ridiculing black people always wrong, but it's OK for some people to ridicule women but not others?
As my mother used to say: You'll only encourage them.
Althouse says the quiet part out loud:
"That [Mulvaney's presentation] gets under [a person's] skin is part of the fun for the people who love it."
Yup, if you're one of the enlightened betters who love the idea of them fake women, you'll love sticking it to the benighted deplorables who don't. In fact, we can really piss 'em off by shoving it down their throats at every opportunity and call it "comedy".
AA said: "Don't like it? Don't drink! Or drink yourself into oblivion. But don't be an asshole. Why are you picking on Dylan Mulvaney? Do you think it makes you look like a man?"
Not at all. Guys who dress up like women look ridiculous. Very few can successfully pull it off(pun). If you live in an urban environment you'll run into this from time to time. Other than giving a second glance you just let it go. But Dylan decided to take his over the top mental illness on the road for fun and profit. He put himself in the public square. And because I have absolutely no obligation to participate in his fantasy I get to comment on it.
I would have LOVED to have been in on that marketing meeting. Now I want to be there when she gets fired. Am I being mean? No.
Bud Light tastes horrible. It’s a waste of money.
The question of why are you picking on Dylan Mulvaney is like saying “don’t hit me, I’m a girl.” No one who chooses to live life publicly is allowed to say that. People criticize the faces fronting brands all the time. Fair game, baby,
The ONLY thing that differentiates the light beers on the list John Henry posted is the branding and this Wharton warped VP of marketing thoroughly fucked up the brand image because she obviously doesn’t know her customers. Listen to your experienced marketing professionals Althouse, this was a shock to their core business, the number one brand at sports venues and a sponsor of NASCAR. Number one beer on draft in country bars. They were the most successful beer in an admittedly shrinking category. Stop picking on Dylan? How bout the chick from Wharton stop picking on their customers? Oh right. They are already gone. Millions of individual decisions are the market talking back to the chatty marketing chick.
Mulvaney is a successful performer.
I've also thought Mulvaney was just a performer. Trans is his shtick. He performs a comic stereotype of "girl woman" so we don't forget he is really a man. I think Bud Light brand knows this that's why they used him instead of someone with real gender dysphoria. He has been wanting to be famous almost his whole life and seems willing to go pretty far (feminizing his face for example) to be famous and rich. The thing that will motivate him to change his performance is when people with real gender dysphoria start calling him out.
Ann, I don't think you or the VP even drink beer. I don't think you hang out in Madison bars to know the people, mostly men of all ages, who drink this beer do so because: A: It is cheap B: You can drink it all day/night while you are chatting with friends about sports or hobbies (not about news or politics) and still go home and work the next day C: It tastes somewhere between good and OK. Horrible move by marketing to shake up this fan base. There are lots of beers that fit this model as well; watch out for Yuengling.
FMV said: "Yup, if you're one of the enlightened betters who love the idea of them fake women, you'll love sticking it to the benighted deplorables who don't. In fact, we can really piss 'em off by shoving it down their throats at every opportunity and call it "comedy"."
It's also A-B and Alissa's way to show the deplorables that even the things they thought were theirs really aren't. That woke can invade any space. That A-B can easily force Bud Light drinkers (male and female) to be associated with the trans-mockery of women and also mock them by putting the silly boy on their beer can. And can do it again if they want.
Is the backlash recognition of ... systemic wokeism?
Would Mulvaney be a good spokesperson for, say, Tampax? Or playtex panty liners? Why or why not?
First 200+er I've seen in a while. I commented yesterday when there were none showing and find 219, many of which made my point earlier and better than I did.
Now it's just stale beer. Some people love it.
“She's a dope and deserves to be fired. So do her bosses who, no doubt, approved the ad.”
Her bosses are denying this, claiming that she ran these ads before screening them with them, which supposedly wasn’t supposed to happen. Maybe it wasn’t actually required, but instead a courtesy. If nothing else, it would have been a sanity check. Which may mean that they may be readying her to be sacrificed for the greater good.
I think that this is likely to surpass the Gillette woke marketing screw up (every time I see an enticing Gillette product, I then remember that they took sides in the culture wars, and the side they picked wasn’t mine). Someone above called it an unforced error. We are seeing right now life shortening sales numbers for upper management, with their flagship brand sales crashing in some places by over 2/3. I would guess that even 5% over the next year would be career ending at least for her - at least at this company. My guess right now is that this will be taught in MBA marketing classes for the next decade or so as a cardinal marketing sin.
“Mulvaney is a successful performer. What's the motivation to change the presentation? That it gets under your skin is part of the fun for the people who love it.”
But the people who love it aren’t the market for the beer. The few people who actually like his stuff are unlikely to drink Bud Light in the first place. You are a good example. You don’t drink that beer, and are unlikely to start doing so. He comes across as some sort of tranny, trans person, or whatever. The bottom line is that the bulk of their current customers, buying over a $billion$ a year in Bud Light, and several $billion$ in Bud products, see this as part of a culture war, that they are on the other side of. Our elites, the FJB Administration, etc, are shoving the entire transsexual thing down our/their throat, and they aren’t being given a choice in the matter - except to demonstrate their opposition to it by changing beers.
If pushing back against this non-stop trans bullshit makes me an asshole or a hateful clod? So be it.
What else you got?
But is Mulvaney a "successful spokesperformer" for this brand?
That is the key marketing question our miss H fucked up. Nobody cares if you like his act, Althouse, that is nobody who was putting money in Budweiser's pockets cares if you a non-customer like his act. All that matters as the VP of Marketing is will X cause an increase in overall sales or a decrease? and I'm constantly surprised at how dumb some highly credentialed marketing people can be. She alienated NASCAR, southerners and frat-boys all at once. That's a lot of share to lose. For the number one brand in the category. Marketing is supposed to support sales not sabotage them.
Stunning. She's the Edsel. She's New Coke. She's Obama's recurring Recovery Summer. Name your world class fuck-up list for sales. She'll be on it. And I still find Althouse's attitude dismissive. This isn't even an organized boycott: it's just a natural reaction loyal customers have to a brand suddenly saying "I want new customers not you."
Note: not blaming the boy acting like a girl. Blaming the girl in charge of the brand. What a maroon.
Now it's just stale beer. Some people love it. Yep. Stale beer sucks.
If the destruction of the Bud Light brand is the price we have to pay to get the woke out of advertising, that is a price I'm willing to pay.
As God is my witness, I will never buy from Anheuser Busch or Gillette again for the rest of my life.
I also avoid anyone whose commercials are based upon "Dad is a doofus." You have to give respect to get respect.
I don't typically buy Bud Light but will drink it if it's offered at the beach or a picnic or wherever. At various events (concert, rodeo, etc.) where other options such as microbrews are available with a little extra effort to hunt them down but BL is omnipresent at every vendor's booth, I'll buy a Bud instead of wandering around looking for something better.
But not anymore. Not an organized boycott by any measure. Just me, choosing to not to do business with a business that signals they don't respect people (first it was "bitter clingers", then "deplorables" and now... "fratty and out-of-touch") like me.
If zir's a performer, criticism is heckling.
Needs to adjust his..act.
But be real. The revulsion is from the insistence he be taken seriously.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/anheuser-busch-sheds-5-billion-value-since-bud-lights-dylan-mulvaney-pact-sparked-outrage
Anheuser-Busch sheds nearly $5 billion in value since Bud Light’s Dylan Mulvaney pact sparked outrage
'This is probably the biggest controversy we've seen in a long time,' industry expert tells Fox News Digital
According to the Dow Jones Market Data Group, Bud Light's parent company is down 4.7 percent and has lost about $4.56 billion in market cap since March 31.
The beer maker’s stock shed more than 1.5% on Wednesday alone. The stock was $66.73 per share on March 31 and closed at $63.38 on Wednesday.
hmmm.. I Have to Say, this is confusing. Ann Althouse SAID, that The Single BEST Thing.. IN THE WORLD;
was AB's decision to embrace Transness.... And yet... And Yet..
"Ann, do you judge blackface on a case by case, too?"
Yes. I recently watched 2 wonderful Buster Keaton movies where he appears in blackface, "Playhouse" and "Neighbors." These stream on the Criterion Channel with a warning that it contains blackface. I judge both to be excellent, especially "Playhouse."
(If you think you've found the movie on line, you probably have a censored version of it. There should be a scene showing a 9-piece band playing on stage and every person in the band is played by Buster Keaton in blackface.)
Ann, when will you respond to the real issues raised repeatedly here: males dominating female sports; the statistically undeniable social contagion aspect of the recent, vast, vast increase in white girls claiming to be transgender; the horrifying realities of "top jobs"; the more horrifying realities of mutilating healthy genitalia to create imaginary penises and vaginas that have lifelong, painful, and dangerous consequences; pumping dangerous hormones into children, and the proven data that 90% of these children, if not mutilated chemically or surgically in youth, revert to their born gender, the majority gay?
Your piffle about a beer ad is just an excuse for refusing to face the holocaust of mutilation; surgically imposed sterility before the age of consent; medical erasure of gay and lesbian identities in most cases of medical intervention into dysphoria, and the degradation of women and girls' sports. That's why ethical and respected medical professionals practicing in the field of dysphoria have withdrawn from sex change interventions on children throughout Europe and at key American and Canadian institutions such as Johns Hopkins.
And can't we agree it's more important to put our medical resources into real childhood diseases like cancer, type 1 diabetes, the real epidemic of childhood obesity, and birth and genetic defects? As we have a quasi-socialist medical system, I vote that my tax dollars go to curing type 1 diabetes instead of pandering to mentally manipulated children, 90% of whom will outgrow their socially imposed narcissistic fantasies pushed by activists and mommies with Munchausen's by Proxy.
I might still have a brother if we did.
Considering the length you'll go to defend this pedophile misogynist, let's see a picture of you in blackface and let the chips fall where they may. Otherwise, you're just another dishonest fraud, Ann.
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