Said Jon Bauman, a California DNC member, quoted in "Biden or bust: Democratic insiders are all in for Biden 2024/Despite lackluster approval ratings and the classified documents scandal, Democratic power brokers are chanting "four more years!"
That is so terribly depressing, but I was cheered up substantially by reading that Bauman is Bowzer from Sha Na Na!
Anyway, we seem to be hurtling toward a rematch of Biden versus Trump. Neither party seems able to break out of the spell cast by its ridiculous old man. On the Democratic side, they've got the incumbent, and they've got the problem of Kamala Harris waiting for her turn. They are locked in.
You'd think the Republicans have more hope of breaking out of the predicament. But the Republicans have Trump, a unique and perplexing problem. And the recent polls show Trump beating Biden:
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HEH. The left are stuck with their corrupt crook.
Actually - not so funny. The US is a mobster state.
2024 - It will be Trump V Biden again.
Biden will win handily.
Man... Do we have to go through all this again? I voted for Trump twice - the first time because I didn't think it mattered and I was definitely not voting for that coattail-riding classist sexual-criminal-spouse-and-defender (how anyone who believes she's a feminist could vote for either Clinton is beyond me), the second time because despite his myriad personal... eccentricities, what he was doing was working.
I don't want to have to do it again, especially since 2020 showed me that there is no way in hell Trump will win beyond the margin of fraud and no way in hell the fraud will be exposed.
Anyway, we seem to be hurtling toward a rematch of Biden versus Trump. Neither party seems able to break out of the spell cast by its ridiculous old man.
There is one ridiculous, corrupt, installed old man (Biden). The other changed the dynamic of everything in a positive way until the establishment released a virus to bring him down, along with his working class supporter (Trump). These two men in no way are comparable, especially in their efforts, policies, and vision for what is better for American lives.
It is amazing to see the 2020 Voter Fraud, instituted by COVID, be just washed away in a sentence as if it no longer matters. "We're moving on"...and pretending everything is ok.
Biden's installation is the fault of 1) people who actually voted for him, 2) people who massaged absentee ballot numbers in targeted swing states, and 3) the people who at the time just didn't want to face that reality.
For group #3. You are now living the reality of chosen inaction. You went along with the fraudulent program. Why? I don't know. There really wasn't much that could be done when our corrupt, cowardly courts refused to correct the coup. So here we are. You chose this.
Biden was just defeated by a balloon.
Brittle stubbornness leads to sharp and sudden breaks.
Flexibility and bending leads to smooth inch-by-inch changes.
Democrats are united only because of the lingering scent of Trump and all the dirty tricks that started in 2016. "We hang together or we hang separately." Their unity will dissolve if Trump doesn't run.
Republicans have a chance of uniting behind someone other than Trump. If they stick with Trump they'll break into two factions and likely lose in 2024.
Trump seems uniquely talented in coming up with mutually beneficial deals with foreign adversaries. Everybody else seems to be into making deals good only for the foreign adversary.
It's all a grand manipulation for the corrupt money grubbing insiders.
The FBI = mob grift.
We could get back to debating actual ideals for a better life. Both teams giving us their best. But no. Instead we get BS... most of which comes from the BS factory that is the modern Democrat party and their loyal media machine.
The GOP base should walk away from Trump. Some are. It won't matter. The left want Trump - so it will be Trump.
"until the establishment released a virus to bring him down"
And took out a bunch of Chinese and Euros and even Africans just to cover their tracks! Lmao
Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
“2024 - It will be Trump V Biden again.
Biden will win handily.“
This is correct IF:
1. The economy expands
2. World peace breaks out
3. Illegal invasion of US borders ceases
Otherwise, prepare yourself for Trump’s second term.
wow - Trump winning by an impressive... point or two. ...against high inflation, lies, dementia patient, drooling old idiot, highest gas prices ever, above the law Biden family corruption, insider mob, and war war and more war...
pffft. An inspiring candidate would clobber Biden. but the corrupt FBI and corrupt press will never let a fair fight occur.
Trump would do about as well as his endorsed candidates did in 2022. Sometimes I get to the point of wishing one of those corrupt district attorneys would indict Trump and keep him too busy to run.
Meade - LOL. no.
Trump cannot win again. Does not matter how bad things are. and things are bad.
Independents hate him. Women hate him. He's a dick stepping, uninspiring monotone speaking weirdo with too much baggage... He will never have a team he can trust worth a hill of beans. It's over.
Sorry.
What Jamie said.
Trump's victory in 2016 gives me hope, though, that none of us can be sure what will happen. That was a wild, glorious ride.
Jamie said...I don't want to have to do it again, especially since 2020 showed me that there is no way in hell Trump will win beyond the margin of fraud and no way in hell the fraud will be exposed.
Jamie is living in the REAL world. Fraud margin HAS to be overcome in PA, WI, MI, AZ, and GA. The fraud has always been exposed, but many choose to turn a blind eye out of fear and comfort in their personal lives.
The new Never Trumpers are simply people who believe DeSantis can overcome the fraud he will face if he is the GOP 2024 nominee. But certainly, the Lincoln Project and Bill Kristol have had and affect on these people. They're exhausted.
Trump's Achilles Heal in the GOP Primary is the poison mRNA shots.
I would vote for Trump again. But if he continues to push the mRNA shots, along with Sean Penn, George Clooney, Pfizer, Pink and Martha Stewart...he's lost me.
If DeSantis gets on the debate stage this summer and is the most anti mRNA shot candidate, I'll vote for him in the primary.
In my view, violating the Nuremburg Code and consciously poisoning the American population with an mandated experimental drug, especially its children, is a deal breaker. Trump is in a tough spot with the shots. DeSantis is not.
"That is so terribly depressing"
Why? Biden's awfulness should make it easier for rational "moderates" to overcome their aversion to any uncouth Republican.
"And the recent polls show Trump beating Biden"
Not on a state-by-state basis, in the Electoral College. 2016 was a close call, as was 2020. But Dems have been trying to consolidate their slight blue-state advantage. Whether by cheating I'll let others discuss. Any GOP candidate now has a harder path.
Best analogy is 1920 campaign. TR would have won in a walk if he hadn’t died of the devestation to his health from his 1912-13 Brazilian expedition coupled with his “broken heart” from the death of his son Quentin in aerial combat in 1918.
Well, at least he's still got the mainstream media shilling for him..
Jill Biden Presents Song of the Year at 65th Annual Grammy Awards
I mean, Why else, would you have a DOCTOR presenting songs at the Grammy Awards?
If he wants to run, I think everybody will be 100 percent unified behind him. I mean, maybe 99.9999, but we’re the most unified we’ve been in a very long time.
One has to remember that Bowser signature move for decades was flexing his less than impressive bicep muscle.
Meade said...
Otherwise, prepare yourself for Trump’s second term.
That would be kick ass. But over the next two years negative effects from the mass mRNA experiment will prove to be more severe than it is today.
If DeSantis gets in the race, resisting any mRNA mandate and protecting America's children from it is a big variable. Trump can join him in anti-grooming, anti-gender mutilating etc... But Trump can't escape the "vaccine".
Even though us "unvaccinated" are a minority I believe millions of people who took the shots are facing regret, and having second thoughts about if this shit should be shoved into America's youth, or if they want to face booster mandates. If the 18 to 24 year olds wake up and realize its poison, that changes everything.
Trump will win the nomination if DeSantis does not run. He might win the nomination if there are 3-4 other high profile candidates along with DeSantis. Trump would not have won the nomination in 2016 but for the dilution of the rest of the voting pool- in such situations, with a lot of winner take all, first past the post delegate allocations, being the unique candidate in the race is a huuuuuuge advantage. If the party does not want Trump, they need to not vote for him in the primary, and they had better hope the field is really narrow, like just DeSantis, Rubio, or Cruz (Haley is a non-entity).
"Younger people." Like people the whippersnappers in their sixties?
Meade said...
Biden will win handily.“
This is correct IF:
1. The economy collapses, and Biden declares Martial Law
2. World Thermonuclear War breaks out, and voting is permanently suspended
3. Illegal invasion of US borders causes there to be more (living) aliens than americans
fify!
Sorry, Meade- it ain't going to happen. Mail-in-voting guarantees the Democrats win. If Trump isn't the nominee, the Republican candidate will probably retake Arizona and Georgia, but will lose Iowa and will have to fight for Ohio. States like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania will recede from being competitive, like they were from 1988 to 2012.
Imagine how much better off we would be if Trump had won in 2020.
--He'd have beaten the virus (heh) with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, monoclonal antibodies, ultra-violet treatments, AND the vaccines.
--He'd have bullied CA, IL, and NY to reopen schools sooner. And no masks for schoolkids!
--He'd be smiling benevolently at DeSantis as a great MAGA American and the only guy who could possibly succeed him, since Ivanka isn't interested.
--We'd be on guard against the bad guys in Afghanistan with a small, deadly force of extremely vigilant people. We'd still have $80 billion of military equipment, and the Taliban would not.
--Peace would have advanced in the Middle East (see the Abraham Accords).
--The economy would have snapped back without all the wasteful, inflation-induced spending.
--Smilin' Joe Biden would not be president. "Brandon" would, however, be bogged down in a ten-year long IRS audit of his family's tangled history of back-handers, facilitation payments, and bribes. He would also be fighting off criminal charges of abusing his daughter during those inappropriate daddy/daughter shower sessions that Ashley thinks she remembers.
--Ukraine would be at peace because Putin never would have dared.
--He'd declassify some things and tell us what they are.
--There would be no Chinese balloons flying over the US. The Pentagon would take on a new, more robust flavor. Gen. Milley would have been dismissed while he was on a good-will tour of China and told to find his own way home. A several caches of top secret documents would be found in various insecure spaces controlled by former Gen. Milley, with prosecutions to follow (see David Petraeus).
--We'd only have a year and a half left of POTUS Trump on tap. The Wizard of Mar-a-Lago could look forward to dispensing his wisdom across all media, while America prospers.
Those numbers are not nearly high enough to beat the cheat.
"Trump cannot win again."
I know. And he couldn't win the first time either. I remember it so well.
I've repeatedly watched the election 2016 returns on YouTube -- even years later. And I'm talking about hours-long video. I'm still incredulous. No way that happened!
Biden benefits from Trump and Trump benefits from Biden. If one goes for some reason, so dies the other.
Does
Enigma: "Republicans have a chance of uniting behind someone other than Trump. If they stick with Trump they'll break into two factions and likely lose in 2024."
DeSantis could run away with the nomination if he ran to the populist right of Trump on economics (reshoring American jobs, using economic weapons to attack the ChiComs, etc), foreign policy (no more forever wars, forcing Europe to step up, etc), on breaking up the deep state & corrupted national security state, taking the steps necessary to remove the mass influx of Biden illegals and build the wall and curtail illegal immigration to a trickle? Plus if I were Desantis I would hit Trump hard on the vaccine, even though Trump didn't mandate it.
That's to name just a few items.
However, I don't believe DeSantis will be willing to do any of that as 95% of his funding are from the very people that don't support ANY, and I mean ANY, of those things.
I suspect DeSantis will simply continue to ratchet up the anti-woke culture war stuff (which is a good thing overall) but will be doing it in order to avoid having to address the items listed above, amongst others.
The "fear", I should say "concern" regarding DeSantis is based on who his advisors are and who his major funders happen to be. Further, DeSantis has a history of being a real Paul Ryan acolyte while in the House of Representatives.
And so we once again reach the point where we ask the same question that has been asked every day for about a year now on Althouse blog and which has never been answered by any early DeSantis supporters:
How can we get "Trump policies but without the Trump drama" with DeSantis when everyone who is working on the DeSantis campaign are GOPe/DC insiders (with the exception of comms person Pshuw) and all the major funders of DeSantis oppose just about every policy Trump pushed?
Is DeSantis really going to take guidance from the GOPe advisor insiders and collect $2 Billion in cash from people opposed to Trump policies and then tell them all to lump it and that he is going to push economic nationalist populist policies?
Well, at this point in time, color me.....skeptical.
I will say this: I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. But given the parties involved, I suspect I won't be.
And for those "static analysis" types who still, to this very day, have zero understanding of the blue collar, lower/middle class, diverse coalition that Trump engineered and think that pulling out all the stops to try and recover a few % points with democratical-adjacent suburban white women by abandoning all sorts of principled positions, you are going to find out the hard way how DeSantis would fare throughout the industrial midwest.
And with Ronna Romney back in charge at the RNC, the McCain/Ducey/Murkowski/Raffensberger corrupted GOPe-ers will continue to work hand in glove with the democraticals to deliver all electoral mechanics into democratical hands while refusing to upgrade RNC systems/processes to improve get out the vote/ballot capture operations. It will all be more of the same "reward the DC consultant class" shenanigans.
Imagine how much better off we would be if Trump had won in 2020.
It would have been way too exciting for us to handle. #Boringisbest
Ann 9:37.
Trump won in 2016 - but not by much. 30,000 votes in three states. A solid win - but the left now know how to overwhelm it.
Those polls that show Trump beating Biden likely show DeSantis beating Biden by substantially more. So the media will go into overdrive to ensure that never happens. Even if they are busy slamming Trump, that still sucks the oxygen out of the room. So they will attack Trump, counting on his legendary lack of self-control to cause him to bluster and blather. Meanwhile, they can ignore DeSantis. Viola, Trump vs Biden.
I'd love to know what's happening in the real world, but where can you find an honest poll, an honest media or an honest politician? We live in cloud-cuckoo-land, with a kleptocracy in charge and imbeciles feted as geniuses. Our military leaders were afraid to shoot down a balloon. Our industrial titans think profit is evil. The arbiters of society promote and even require that perversion be treated as good. And people accept a clown like Biden as a good choice? Why bother.
Yancey Ward: "Sorry, Meade- it ain't going to happen. Mail-in-voting guarantees the Democrats win. If Trump isn't the nominee, the Republican candidate will probably retake Arizona and Georgia, but will lose Iowa and will have to fight for Ohio. States like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania will recede from being competitive, like they were from 1988 to 2012."
Basically in agreement here, with the caveat that the McCain/Ducey machine in AZ and Raffensberger in GA are working overtime to make those 2 states permanent blue states. So its not a given at all that any republican will be able to win them in the future. Moron Raffensberger is pushing ranked choice voting.
2024 - It will be Trump V Biden again.
DeSantis V Newsome.
I've repeatedly watched the election 2016 returns on YouTube -- even years later. And I'm talking about hours-long video. I'm still incredulous. No way that happened!
That's exactly how I feel about the massive fraud in 2020...
"I'm still incredulous. No way that happened!"
The secret sauce of 2016 was the dunderheaded, morally blind, moralistic machinations of the Most Sanctimonious Law Enforcement Officer in the History of the USA (Javert and Clouzeau were French), James Comey, whose interventions torpedoed Hillary. But remember, she was a terrible candidate. Why did Michelle and Barrack have to campaign in PA on the last two days in 2016?Think that was a desperate rescue operation? I do.
Then, when Trump won, Comey and his minions did their best to get him tossed out.
Awful. Disgusting. Traitorous.
If it was possible, some would give us a Romney v. Obama rematch. Two social issue liberals, two establishment Pols, well dressed and articulate. Who would argue over tax cuts and whether to send Ukraine $50 billion v. $70 Billion. Maybe a Nikki Haley v. Josh Shapiro, or Desantis v. Gavin Newsome.
I can understand why the writers of the constitution put in a minimum age for President but why didn't they include a maximum too?
2024: The year we're forced to vote for two instant lame ducks.
Late-stage Roman empire vibes happening. Caligula's horse advising the DNC.
The problem for the GOP is that large portions of the base view Trump as a weapon against the party leadership. The more that they try to get rid of him and go back to the pre-Trump party, the more the base will dig in.
I've repeatedly watched the election 2016 returns on YouTube -- even years later. And I'm talking about hours-long video. I'm still incredulous. No way that happened
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A lot of the drama of the past six years is because large portions of the population, including much of the political class, still refuses to believe it. They simply do not believe that Trump was somehow ever a legitimate president.
Yancey Ward: "Sorry, Meade- it ain't going to happen. Mail-in-voting guarantees the Democrats win
GOP picked up House seats in CA by matching the Dems "vote harvesters" with their own.
If Trump isn't the nominee, the Republican candidate will probably retake Arizona and Georgia, but will lose Iowa
No GOP candidate is going to lose Iowa next year. In 2022 the GOP swept Congress, Senate, and Statewide elections, including dumping at least one Dem incumbent.
and will have to fight for Ohio
Snicker
States like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania will recede from being competitive, like they were from 1988 to 2012.
This is the closest you've come to correct: these States will be a bigger challenge in 2024. But the Dems margin is small enough that a competent campaign can win any of them
For 2024:
Give GOP NV, GA, AZ, IA, OH, All of Nebs votes, and 1 from Maine, plus the obvious States: That's 269-269, and GOP wins in the House.
That's without any of PA, MI, WI, MN, or NH.
There are more GOP routes to victory in 2024 than Dem
Oh, great, more polls. Those are always useful.
I like Trump, but I think HW Brands is right: the Republicans now have their own William Jennings Bryan problem.
I dont' believe that Trump will be the 2024 GOP nominee.
The reality is that Trump blew it as President, and got rolled by the "Deep State" he claimed to be fighting. See the Twitter field for solid evidence of how the Trump FBI was working to corruptly throw the 2020 Election to Biden.
Review all the crap that the Trump CDC and Fauci pulled off, while Trump was President.
Trump fights, but loses.
DeSantis fights, and wins
That reality will cost Trump the 2024 Primary, IF he decides to compete.
Amadeus 48 said...
The secret sauce of 2016 was the dunderheaded, morally blind, moralistic machinations of the Most Sanctimonious Law Enforcement Officer in the History of the USA (Javert and Clouzeau were French), James Comey, whose interventions torpedoed Hillary
Are you really trying to push that BS?
If Comey had not been corruptly pro-Hillary, she would have been arrested for classified document violations during the 2016 Democrat Primary, if not earlier
Comey only reported the Weiner laptop because the NY FBI agents who he'd been stonewalling for the last month were getting ready to go public.
Then Comey flat out lied and claimed that they'd examined the laptop and not found anything on it, when in fact that hadn't looked at it at all.
Comey did every damn thing he could to advance Hillary, while the rest of the FBI was pushing the obviously fraudulent Steele trash, before the election, to try to torpedo Trump.
Trump won in 2016 despite the FBI's opposition, not with their support.
Stop lying and pretending otherwise
Trump/DeSantis.
Trump wins, restores his ego. Restores happiness and prosperity, then resigns in a year or so and turns the reins over to DeSantis, who has learned,from Trump, how to Make America Great Again.
Mr Wibble: "The problem for the GOP is that large portions of the base view Trump as a weapon against the party leadership."
Which is only fair considering the GOPe party leadership partnered with the democraticals/deep staters to weaponize the federal govt against the republican base while the GOPe leadership also partnered with the globalists to cash in by hollowing out the US economically.
But remember, according to a legion of HBTPFH's out there, Trump is the problem. Not that other stuff.
lol, polls
catnip for fools
Great. The 81-yo runs against the 77-yo.
MadisonMan to Gerontocracy: Drop Dead.
DeSantis falls for culture provocations way too easily. He will be far more easily managed by the ruling elite than Trump.
Here is how it works:
Put on a drag show in Florida with sexualized content and ensure that children are there.
DeSantis responds in high dudgeon
Media reports the story as DeSantis being secretly gay or hating gays, leaving out key details of the original provocation.
Women refuse to vote for the guy who "hates gays."
Classic.
Here is another:
Put a convicted rapist in a woman's prison because he says he is really a girl.
Story comes out that fellow inmates have had to resort to taking birth control out of fear of rape, after having seen such rapes happen to other inmates by this girl with a working penis.
Republicans are outraged by this cruel and inhuman punishment visited on the "cis-gender," let's say, inmates.
MSM reports the story of how Republicans hate trans people, leaving out key details of the story.
Women are upset that Republicans hate young, vulnerable, sexually confused children, and vote for Democrats.
Textbook.
DeSantis is in over his head. I am still not sure he is even running.
The year we're forced to vote for two instant lame ducks
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Not this bs...
If any president is a lame duck by virtue of being in his second term, then no president should ever run for reelection.
Greg the class traitor: "For 2024:
Give GOP NV, GA, AZ, IA, OH, All of Nebs votes, and 1 from Maine, plus the obvious States: That's 269-269, and GOP wins in the House."
I disagree about GA and AZ. The dems and their McCain/Ducey machine GOPe lapdogs run AZ outright and their corrupt practices are out in the open. Over the next 2 years it will get much much worse for republicans in AZ.
In GA, Raffensberger is now "free and clear" to continue his open alliance with the Zuckerburg-funded dems in corrupting GA's election processes.
Neither of those states is a given any longer.
Blogger Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...”The left want Trump - so it will be Trump.”
You say that as if it were a bad thing. Both lefties and those on the right want an end to all the corruption in government. I bet both the Ukrainians and the Russians would prefer Trump as well. Trump - the man for all reasons.
This idea that if the left wants something then the right has to automatically oppose it as well as vice versa is one of the ways that the bureaucrats in charge keep us divided. In this next election there will be the establishment Dems and the establishment GOP versus Trump. I say vote Trump 2024.
"If he wants to run ..."
Says it all right there. Biden will conveniently drop out of the race, "for the good of the country".
Should be a rerun of 2016, with the DNC choosing its candidate midway through the primaries, and reinforcing that selection via superdelegates. Meanwhile, the RNC will go through the same process of whittling down from several candidates, until the clear leader comes through. I'm thinking the final five will be Trump, Desantis, Cotton, Hawley, and Cruz. Haley should be in the running, but will probably run out of money.
Hopefully the RNC can make some progress rolling back vote fraud in the key states.
It will be Biden Desantis. Trump will step on his Dick in the primaries. Should he survive primaries, however, he would be Biden. Again.
Greg the Class Traitor: "GOP picked up House seats in CA by matching the Dems "vote harvesters" with their own."
Remember, the State party put that ballot harvesting in place and received no help at all from the RNC as the RNC was too busy forcing candidates to hire the DC insiders, forcing republican candidates to use completely useless voter roll systems and paying off their DC consultants with big bucks.
But again, there are legions of folks on the republican side that believe Trump is the only problem there is. Some of those buffoons post at Althouse blog.
"If he wants to run, I think everybody will be 100 percent unified behind him. I mean, maybe 99.9999, but we’re the most unified we’ve been in a very long time."
Proof that the Dems are not serious/honest about anything. The only reason for Dems to want him is exactly because he is near brain dead and can thus be merely a figurehead with others in control.
Blogger Ficta said...
I like Trump, but I think HW Brands is right: the Republicans now have their own William Jennings Bryan problem.
William Jennings Bryan NEVER won the Presidency despite being nominated several times, correct.
Trump WON the Presidency when he was guaranteed to be defeated in 2016, and then won again in 2020 but was cheated out of a second term by targeted absentee voter fraud in five states.
I'm not seeing the comparison.
DeSantis can be removed from the equation. (yes- Ever-Trumpers can rest assured - it's Trump or bust)
it will be Trump V Biden.
Biden will win. Engineered by the mob.
I'm excited to vote for Biden. He's been pretty great. Incredible legislative accomplishments -- way more than I expected given the Senate split. So far has avoided the standard traps Republicans set, which Obama fell into hook line and sinker. (Though let's see if he falls for the usual Republican move of running up deficits exponentially when they have power then demanding Democrats cut spending when Democrats have power because deficits are too high -- ha!) Limiting his engagement in the culture wars while Republicans add every day to their list of enemies among the American public. Quietly getting stuff done while the right rages and froths at the mouth. Presiding over a strong economic recovery with record low unemployment while leaving Republicans to gasp that the stats are lying and to whine about last year's gas prices. Driving huge manufacturing growth -- what Trump promised but failed completely to deliver. Gets more credit than Trump for Trump's signature achievement, the vaccines!
I thought he was a good strategic candidate in 2020. Now I think he's just a good candidate, as old as he is. Plus, the Republicans are a disaster.
Trump is flailing around looking for some reason that's he's running. Desantis is a massive asshole who revels in treating regular people who aren't the right wing base like shit: Screaming at kids, clearing libraries so the government can police what's in them, arresting people on TV for culture war points. The Court is out of control and desperately needs checking from the other two Branches. House Republicans are trying to cut social security and Medicare and selling it with 30% sales tax or whatever.
I mean, it's looking good for left.
Daniel is 12 said...
"Desantis is a massive asshole who revels in treating regular people who aren't the right wing base like shit: Screaming at kids, clearing libraries so the government can police what's in them, arresting people on TV for culture war points."
Wow - there's some lies and BS. Good boy.
Agree with Dan: republicans are doing a great job getting Biden reelected.
Greg the Class Traitor: "The reality is that Trump blew it as President, and got rolled by the "Deep State" he claimed to be fighting. See the Twitter field for solid evidence of how the Trump FBI was working to corruptly throw the 2020 Election to Biden.
Review all the crap that the Trump CDC and Fauci pulled off, while Trump was President.
Trump fights, but loses.
DeSantis fights, and wins"
That is how I would run the DeSantis campaign. Out-Trump Trump to keep the Trump coalition together and excite the base.
But DeSantis probably can't do that, even if he wanted to which is in doubt, because in the end, DeSantis will be representing the Paul Ryan/Jeb Bush wing of the republican party on the issues that matter most.
Eva Marie said...
Blogger Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...”The left want Trump - so it will be Trump.”
You say that as if it were a bad thing. Both lefties and those on the right want an end to all the corruption in government. I bet both the Ukrainians and the Russians would prefer Trump as well. Trump - the man for all reasons.
This idea that if the left wants something then the right has to automatically oppose it as well as vice versa is one of the ways that the bureaucrats in charge keep us divided. In this next election there will be the establishment Dems and the establishment GOP versus Trump. I say vote Trump 2024.
2/6/23, 10:27 AM
THIS^^^^^
I would seriously vote for Jon Bauman over Trump or Biden. (Imagine him ending his inauguration speech with "Grease for peace!")
Bowser, like all other entertainers and celebrities, should just keep out of politics. It seems like once they become a celebrity, they seemed entitled to automatically become involved in lefty politics. Just shut up and sing, Bowser!
I wonder if the dems have an insider poll showing that Newsome is tanking big time and the only other bench I’d Harris. So….of course we are 99.99999 % behind Biden they have no one else.
Somewhere
If DeSantis gets on the debate stage this summer and is the most anti mRNA shot candidate, I'll vote for him in the primary.
In my view, violating the Nuremburg Code and consciously poisoning the American population with an mandated experimental drug, especially its children, is a deal breaker. Trump is in a tough spot with the shots. DeSantis is not.
I kind of agree with this. But, no way will Democrats attack the vaxx. The issue, for me, is the backers and donors for DeSantis. They are the old guard and How can we get "Trump policies but without the Trump drama" with DeSantis when everyone who is working on the DeSantis campaign are GOPe/DC insiders (with the exception of comms person Pshuw) and all the major funders of DeSantis oppose just about every policy Trump pushed?
That is the key issue. Trump is trusted by the base. The RNC is not.
I thought he was a good strategic candidate in 2020. Now I think he's just a good candidate, as old as he is. Plus, the Republicans are a disaster.
Daniel12 gives us the leftist line. Eat those bugs, Daniel.
Democrats need Biden to secure Obama's World War Spring with "benefits" series, progressive prices ("shared responsibility"), CAIR, DIE, transgender spectrum affirmation, etc.
HBTPFH: "DeSantis can be removed from the equation. (yes- Ever-Trumpers can rest assured - it's Trump or bust)"
Another dumb "hot take".
DeSantis should not be removed from the equation. He should out-Trump Trump.
But even you can recognize that in the end DeSantis is likely going to stick with the globalists who back him and be a part of the machine that screws over the republican base again. Again, I hope to be proven wrong....but I wont be.
And the "ever Trumpers" aren't ever-Trumpers. We are ever-economic-nationalists and so far, Trump is the only one talking that game. The economic nationalist position is wide open for anyone who wants to step in. That so few do when the republican base is 70% on board with it tells you all you need to know about your DC heroes.
You will forever be trapped by personalities and not by policy.
They always say, we're watching two different movies.. Daniel12 seems to be watch Fantasia
Daniel12... You need a meeting.
Rephrasing for accuracy Biden AND Bust.
"I mean, it's looking good for left."
LOL, in Germany, it's the Green Party that is pushing Europe into WW3, in the United States, it's "the left," except there is no "left" of any magnitude in the United States of America, almost all, like Cookie, have been co-opted by fascism, lured by its promise of eternal power and post-democratic rule beyond the lowly pushback of the electorate, and seduced by the though of permanent control over what Americans get to hear and see, so that they can finally win some arguments.
Blogger Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
DeSantis can be removed from the equation. (yes- Ever-Trumpers can rest assured - it's Trump or bust)
it will be Trump V Biden.
Biden will win. Engineered by the mob.
DeSantis just has to make up his mind. I'm sure he has his timing figured out. But on what bases do you think DeSantis won't face the same shit or some form of shit as Trump? (Russian Collusion, Voter Fraud, Lawfare...etc...)?
You think Madison and Milwaukee, WI, Maricopa, Philly, Fulton Co. Ga, and Detroit are going to be like..."Ok...we won't stuff absentee ballots against Ron. He's the second coming..."
Daniel12: "I'm excited to vote for Biden."
LOL
You and Cornpop. And Xi.
Daniel12 said...
I'm excited to vote for Biden. He's been pretty great.
Russia invading Ukraine
Completely f'ing up US pullout from Afghanistan
Massive inflation
No baby formula
Empty shelves in stores
I've curious what kind of psychotic monster looks at all that and dubs it "great!"
I'll bet the people who refuse to talk about or accept that 2020 was a fraudulent election took mRNA shots #1 and #2 as told. Doesn't matter who you voted for. But...now they are not sure about either.
I'd also bet the "unvaccinated" are fully comfortable with being "unvaccinated" and know damn well the 2020 election was fraudulent. They also have no doubt on either.
Blogger Drago said...
Greg the Class Traitor: "GOP picked up House seats in CA by matching the Dems "vote harvesters" with their own."
Remember, the State party put that ballot harvesting in place and received no help at all from the RNC as the RNC was too busy forcing candidates to hire the DC insiders,
That the RNC sucks is well established
That we have to let it sabotage us is not.
But again, there are legions of folks on the republican side that believe Trump is the only problem there is. Some of those buffoons post at Althouse blog.
The GOP faces lots of problems. Trump's inability to win the fights he picks is only one of them..
Trump sat on his ass while the Democrats installed their 2020 vote fraud machine
Trump didn't create any vote harvesting programs in 2022
Trump let Fauci f us over for all of 2020
After the Mueller report came back in 2019, Trump should have canned Wray, and every single person involved in Crossfire Hurricane, while putting someone at the top of the FBI who would go after the corruption. He didn't, and thus the corrupt FBI was able to work with social media companies to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story
Trump gave us the chickenshit "Joint Chiefs of Staff" that has continued under Biden
Tell me where I got any of that wrong
Now and then I'm driving, stuck in traffic, and some ridiculous bit of White-House-dictated puffery comes onto the news attributing any detectable positive development to this president's leadership.
And because I'm bored and alone, I put on a cheesy dramatic announcer voice and intone, "Biden is amazing: Bestriding the executive branch like a colossus and bending events to his fearsome will."
The thing is, I'm joking. Many, it seems, are not.
Daniel12 (not that I was thinking of you):
"Presiding over a strong economic recovery with record low unemployment while leaving Republicans to gasp that the stats are lying"
I'm not a Republican anymore, and I don't believe the stats are lying. I do think the federal government had its boot firmly on the neck of the economy for much of 2020 and 2021. As it released and the economy began to breathe again, there were always going to be some impressive recovery statistics. I will credit this administration with not completely squelching that, and not for lack of trying. To credit them with this recovery itself is laughable hackery. (Go, team!)
The mind-numbing level of FUD about Don would assure ol' Joe of another round - UNLESS - Joe rolls with Kamala. Then, the 'you-may-be-voting-for-him-but-God-forbid-get-her' could tighten the race.
QuidProJoe, of course, epitomizes the "Democrat insider", crooked, old, malleable and stupid. Who else they gonna go with, Maxine Waters? Screw the country!
OTOH, Republicans and the rest of us have a different problem with Trump. Fair or not, a significant portion of the population hates him. TDS, you know. His winning margin in the polls is insufficient to prevent Democrats from rigging the election against him and he and the Trumpists will have no other. Screw the country!
Since according to Daniel21; The democrats (ALL Democrats) are in Lovey Luv Luv with Jo Biden;
WHY do they Even CARE about Primaries? I mean.. The Democrats ARE in Lovey Luv with Jo.. Aren't They?
I mean, AREN'T They? If So, then Jo will be running unopposed in the Primaries.. So, What the?
I dislike Mr. Trump the person but agree with his policies. The problem that concerns me is that, were he to win another term, he will have difficulty filling out his cabinet and high-level bureaucratic positions with capable people. Who would want to venture into that career killing miasma? Mr. DeSantis represents conservative values without all the baggage.
Greg the Class Traitor said...
Trump sat on his ass while the Democrats installed their 2020 vote fraud machine
And what exactly could he do from the Federal Level of the Presidency? He had zero control of the Wisconsin Election commission who bent and broke voting laws in the name of COVID. He had not control of the PA Supreme Court that basically told Philly "do whatever you want/have to". Maricopa just did it again in 2022. They successfully shut down IN PERSON voting in targeted red areas.
He couldn't even control the closing and opening of states in 2020. What is it you expected him to do? He warned everyone about it, he fought it vigorously after it happened, and said fuck you I'm flying home and didn't watch Biden get installed.
Everyone really does think Trump is Superman don't they??
Reposting because Blogger seems to have dumped extra spaces in my previous post.
"I'm not seeing the comparison."
1. Charismatic populist with an absolute lock on the party base but not enough general appeal to win the election blocks any challengers for multiple elections. Yes, Trump, unlike Bryan, won once because a lot of Dem voters didn't bother to go to the polls since the outcome was a foregone conclusion. Hey maybe I'm wrong about that, but it's what it looked like to me. It gives me no pleasure to say this...
2. Big money interests kneecap charismatic populist (surely you agree with this one?).
Of course, scarily, I think an even closer parallel to Trump is Salvador Allende (think about it...)
Oh, and yes, Trump also won in 2020 when you account for vote fraud, but that's where we are, Republicans have to win above the fraud margin. Maybe the fraud margin is now infinite. Sadly, it's possible 2016 may have been the last honest election in American history (hence my other Trump comparison).
Greg the Class Traitor: "Tell me where I got any of that wrong"
Those are all points well within the political envelope for another candidate to hit Trump with....if they are going to out-flank Trump on the populist side.
I suspect none will for reasons I've already outlined.
Presiding over a strong economic recovery with record low unemployment while leaving Republicans to gasp that the stats are lying and to whine about last year's gas prices. Driving huge manufacturing growth -- what Trump promised but failed completely to deliver. Gets more credit than Trump for Trump's signature achievement, the vaccines!
That paragraph should serve as a reminder to never, ever take you seriously again.
I mean, it's damn near a parody ... except you actually believe it.
It will not be Biden. And Democrats have a blood war ahead of them with people stepping on each other's faces trying to get to that seat of power. Kamala, Gavin, Eric Adams, Stacey Abrams, Petey Buttigieg, Liz Warren, Amy Klobuchar, one or two other Senators, Bernie??, and...Hillary and Michelle. I'm probably missing someone, like Jay Inslee. So many of them think more of themselves than their constituents do. That, and they lust for power.
On the Repub side, Trump is not a shoo-in. But even though he's been shot, stabbed, betrayed, poisoned, hung, electrocuted, he keeps on coming. You gotta give him points for that. But there is much fighting in front of him this second time around. DeSantis is pretty smart. I suspect Haley will be more substantial than many are giving her credit for at this time. And there will be someone else we're not thinking about. Yet.
Gusty Winds: "And what exactly could he do from the Federal Level of the Presidency? He had zero control of the Wisconsin Election commission who bent and broke voting laws in the name of COVID. He had not control of the PA Supreme Court that basically told Philly "do whatever you want/have to". Maricopa just did it again in 2022. They successfully shut down IN PERSON voting in targeted red areas.
He couldn't even control the closing and opening of states in 2020. What is it you expected him to do? He warned everyone about it, he fought it vigorously after it happened, and said fuck you I'm flying home and didn't watch Biden get installed.
Everyone really does think Trump is Superman don't they??"
As predicted, the very GOpe-er people that have screwed the republican base over for 40 years will dump all of their faults/flaws/failures onto Trump.
It's the greatest Get Out Of Jail Free Card for the McConnellites in the history of politics.
Ballots, not votes.
D wins.
Drago said...
"Greg the Class Traitor: "Tell me where I got any of that wrong"
Those are all points well within the political envelope for another candidate to hit Trump with....if they are going to out-flank Trump on the populist side.
There is nobody on the republican side that is a spopulist as Trump. On the democrat side, well, there having enough trouble trying to gin up support for the current resident. No. If Desantis is smart he'll sit this one out and be the front runner in 2028. 2024 is Trumps to lose. The people in the middle and on the right don't want this proxy war with Russia. They want their prosperity back. They want our government to control our boarders. IOW everything Trump worked to get for us. Everything the left has been pushing has been a disaster for our country.
Drago said...That is how I would run the DeSantis campaign. Out-Trump Trump to keep the Trump coalition together and excite the base...But DeSantis probably can't do that, even if he wanted to which is in doubt, because in the end, DeSantis will be representing the Paul Ryan/Jeb Bush wing of the republican party on the issues that matter most.
Drago, I'm open to this. If DeSantis resists the Ryan/Jeb Bush wing I might be in. The Ryan/Bush wing is pro-mRNA. At the moment DeSantis is not...and his stance is it has harmed people. If he goes after Pfizer and Moderna's legal liability, that a big separation that has to be settled.
DeSantis can steal the MAGA base by going anti-mRNA, but that separates him from the GOPe. Trump can only go anti-mandate. Both are good. One better than the other.
I think it's an undefined situation at this point. Take it to the primary and primary debates as it should be done. I hope DeSantis jumps in. And I'm obviously a Trump fan. Epic battle. Whoever wins comes out stronger. Good. Both need the MAGA base.
Gusty
"Everyone really does think Trump is Superman don't they?? "
Ever-Trumpers - you bet.
Trump's ever-true believers think he can walk on water. His failures are never his fault.
Gusty- 11:29
Of course DeSantis will face democrat party/media hate and lies.... (and cheat machine)
Of course the leftwing cheat machine will be used.
Why not go out in a blaze of glory and use the best candidate? Trump is going to lose and that is a foregone conclusion.
DeSantis might run in 2024 - I do not know. Trump's supporters hate him.
I'd rather have DeSantis than old dick-stepping Trump. That makes Ever-Trumpers lose their minds.
The left fear DeSantis more that Trump.
I'm a realist. The reality is that the media and the powerful elite want another Biden-Trump re-match.
Readering writes, "Biden benefits from Trump and Trump benefits from Biden. If one goes for some reason, so dies the other."
Dualities, dualities. You're such a perpetual bopper, Readering. The three-body problem eludes you, yes?
Gusty
"Everyone really does think Trump is Superman don't they?? "
Ever-Trumpers - you bet.
Trump's ever-true believers think he can walk on water. His failures are never his fault
You spliced my comment. Superman was the punchline. That's what cable news does. Nowhere in this tread have is kissed Trump's ass. Defending reality isn't ass kissing. And I've also defended DeSantis. Let the GOP nominee games begin. Give'r....it needs to be done.
I'm not an "ever-Trumper" but I ain't the new Bill Kristol.
HBTPFH: "DeSantis might run in 2024 - I do not know. Trump's supporters hate him."
It's quite astonishing how dumb, shallow and completely 180 degrees out of whack ALL of your republican inside baseball "hot takes" are.
Truly an achievement.
Most of Trump's supporters recognize that to this very day Trump is still the ONLY candidate openly embracing the populist economic policies that they desperately need and desire and that Trump never looked down his nose at them.
Trump's supporters see who is funding and backing DeSantis as well as who is working with him and, based on decades of experience now, know perfectly well what those guys are all about.
You don't get this. At this point its looking like you never will.
The only "hatred" at this point is on the part of you McConnell-tards who despise Trump and hate those that found a champion in Trump.
That's your problem. Stop being a democratical-lite and projecting your problems onto those who disagree with you.
Or just go be the democratical you clearly want to be. You already sound like one.
Gusty Winds (to HBTPFH): "You spliced my comment. Superman was the punchline. That's what cable news does. Nowhere in this tread have is kissed Trump's ass. Defending reality isn't ass kissing. And I've also defended DeSantis. Let the GOP nominee games begin. Give'r....it needs to be done.
I'm not an "ever-Trumper" but I ain't the new Bill Kristol."
Forget it Gusty. HBTPFH is a lost cause and can't follow a single line of logic without an emotional outburst.
Gusty Winds said...
Greg the Class Traitor said...
Trump sat on his ass while the Democrats installed their 2020 vote fraud machine
And what exactly could he do from the Federal Level of the Presidency?
He could have sued. And would have had a damn good chance of winning.
None of the changes in PA, GA,AZ, WI, MI, on NV were actually passed by law, they were unilaterally executive or City / County level actions that completely violated State election laws.
But Trump's campaign never sued to block anything, so it all went through.
All those Zuckerboxes? Trump should have sued to block them all.
But instead the Trump campaign spent six months sitting on its ass, fat, dumb and happy, while the Democrats rewrote election law by the action of whatever Democrats thought they could get away with it.
Drago said...
Greg the Class Traitor: "Tell me where I got any of that wrong"
Those are all points well within the political envelope for another candidate to hit Trump with
Bzzt, wrong
This isn't about candidates, this is about we voters.
I, as a voter who supported Trump in 2020, give that list of things he f'ed up, as a reason why I don't want him to run in 2024, and won't support him in the 2024 Primary if he does run.
Because I don't think he's capable of doing the job.
Tell me, voter Greg, why I'm wrong about that.
If you can't, then tell me why you're still supporting that loser
At this point - there isn't anyone who can save us from the corrupt mob deep state.
Wray needs to go. The FBI purged of corruption. Every agency - purged of corruption. Whoever promises this gets my vote. Sadly - that person does not exist. That person knows he/she would be impeached over it.... ruined. Trump wasted his time. We had great prosperity and no new war under Trump. The left will not abide.
Huge numbers of Americans are unhappy and do not want Biden.
We will get Biden.
Gusty - I'm not accusing you of being an Ever-Trumper.
Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll
Sam Smith Theme Song
Quaestor (to readering): "The three-body problem eludes you, yes?"
Heh.
Most of Trump's supporters recognize that to this very day Trump is still the ONLY candidate openly embracing the populist economic policies that they desperately need and desire and that Trump never looked down his nose at them.
Trump's supporters see who is funding and backing DeSantis as well as who is working with him and, based on decades of experience now, know perfectly well what those guys are all about.
You don't get this. At this point its looking like you never will.
The only "hatred" at this point is on the part of you McConnell-tards who despise Trump and hate those that found a champion in Trump.
That's your problem. Stop being a democratical-lite and projecting your problems onto those who disagree with you.
Or just go be the democratical you clearly want to be. You already sound like one.
THIS^^^^^^
"Somehow, despite being investigated more times than any man in American political history and being compared to Hitler virtually every day for the past seven years, Trump is, at this hour, topping Joe Biden in the polls, including with the elusive “independent voter.” This is the man who we are told to believe “can’t win” because he isn’t smooth enough for suburban moms." https://amgreatness.com/2023/02/06/desantis-inc-underestimates-donald-trump/
wendybar said...
Most of Trump's supporters recognize that to this very day Trump is still the ONLY candidate openly embracing the populist economic policies that they desperately need and desire and that Trump never looked down his nose at them.
Search for "Tell me where I got any of that wrong"
Then look at the short list I did of some of Trump's fuckups.
Then please tell me which ones I got wrong.
The problem with Trump is that he failed, and that if he's elected again, he will continue to fail.
It doesn't matter WHAT you "embrace", if your embrace doesn't actually do any good.
For which, see Dr Oz, Hershal Walker, Michael Evans in WI, etc.
We have a Democrat controlled Senate because Trump's Senate candidates failed.
We have Biden as President because Trump failed to clear out the corrupt deep state people at the FBI, and because his campaign never even TRIED to fight against the Democrats illegal election law changes when they were happening (no, going to court after you've lost doesn't cut it. He should have gone to court the second the changes were proposed. He didn't)
Fauci and Wray are Trump's fault, because he could have fired them, and didn't
So is Miley.
Anyone who says the word "McConnell-tards" is a Trump Humper asshole.
Relax Trump Humper asshole - you will get Trumpie.
wendybar said...
Trump's supporters see who is funding and backing DeSantis as well as who is working with him and, based on decades of experience now, know perfectly well what those guys are all about.
You don't get this. At this point its looking like you never will.
You are correct: I never will "get" how anyone sane can say "this person is doing great things, I have no complaints about what he's done, but he lets these other people give him money so I refuse to vote for him."
I have repeatedly asked for specifics about what DeSantis has done that's bad, and received nothing.
So, once again, I'll point out what could rationally be considered makes against DeSantis:
1: If DeSantis runs his Presidential tcampaign team with different people than just ran his re-election race, and the new people are Jeb! people, that would be bad.
So if that's happening, provide names and positions
2: If DeSantis starts caving on issues, that's bad
DeSantis taking money from idiot Jeb! supporters is NOT bad. it means they can't give that money to far worse candidates.
DeSantis repeating what he did for the 2022 re-election is not bad. If he had a "campaign advisory board" full of cucks in 2022, he obviously ignored everything they said. So I could not care less if he lets them keep on "advising" him.
Let's do a quick review of 2022:
DeSantis:
Ran as a conservative
Governed as a conservative
Actually fought Disney, and started the process of screwing them to the wall
Organized and supported parents fighting left wing school boards, and brought them to massive victories in November
Trump:
Got a lot of candidates who won GOP primaries, then mostly left them hanging to LOSE in November
I'm not interested in "fighting", I'm interested in "fighting and winning"
DeSantis won
Trump lost
So, please explain to me why I would want to back Trump over DeSantis
Greg the class traitor said: “I'm not interested in "fighting", I'm interested in "fighting and winning"
DeSantis won. Trump lost.”
Let’s not kid ourselves about the last election. It had nothing to do with Trump. We were the targets. Those of us who voted for Trump were to have learned this lesson: You will accept a candidate that the bureaucrats/deep-staters have chosen or you (that’s us)will be defeated. They gamed the election. They censored Trump, they censored conservative opinion, they lied about Hunter Biden’s laptop, they fabricated out of whole cloth collusion between Trump and Russia. They also meddled with the voting process and with the votes.
Now we (all of us voters) need to decide - knowing all of the above - how to proceed.
For those of us who want to dump Trump and support DeSantis what does it say about us? In other words what will DeSantis and every other Republican candidate know about us, their supporters. When the going gets tough, we run in search of another candidate.
We want to be liked and we’ll sacrifice our children’s future in the desperate hope that Joy Behar won’t call us racists/sexists/homophobes.
The road ahead is a tough one. The conservative candidate we choose must know in his bones that we will never forsake him as long as he fights for us.
If DeSantis becomes our candidate, instead of President Trump, he will know from the start that he needs to make peace with the powers behind the throne because we don’t have the stomach for a real fight.
Greg -
Ever-Trumpers have issues with hero worship. I have no idea why. It's Trump or bust.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024 it will be because the left want him to be the nom in 2024.
HBTPFH: "Greg -
Ever-Trumpers have issues with hero worship."
So very stupid.
It's beyond your limited understanding to even recognize what is happening all around you, though there are reinforcing examples daily.
Greg: "You are correct: I never will "get" how anyone sane can say "this person is doing great things, I have no complaints about what he's done, but he lets these other people give him money so I refuse to vote for him."
The list of issues/concerns have been laid out now hundreds of times.
It's pointless to continue.
We will see what DeSantis does re: economic confrontation with China, holding the EU/Nato accountable, closing the border, attacking the deep state, reshoring of jobs, and on and on and on.
Until then, yes we all love the culture war stuff and it needs to be done and DeSantis is doing it, but as has been pointed out, again, hundreds of times (not an exaggeration), the understanding is that DeSantis will continue to double/triple down on the stuff in order to build the street cred as a populist conservative but will not come thru as an economic populist/conservative or America firster.
That is why I've said its useless to discuss this further. ALL of DeSantis' major funders, which now includes the Koch brothers, want absolutely nothing to do with any of Trump's economic or Foreign policies...but they are still comfortable funding DeSantis.
So we will simply have to sit back and see what we will see.
At some point, things will become so obvious that even HBTPFH might notice them, though I calculate that as a very low probability event.
Eva Marie said...
Greg the class traitor said: “I'm not interested in "fighting", I'm interested in "fighting and winning"
DeSantis won. Trump lost.”
Let’s not kid ourselves about the last election. It had nothing to do with Trump. We were the targets. Those of us who voted for Trump were to have learned this lesson: You will accept a candidate that the bureaucrats/deep-staters have chosen or you (that’s us)will be defeated. They gamed the election. They censored Trump, they censored conservative opinion, they lied about Hunter Biden’s laptop, they fabricated out of whole cloth collusion between Trump and Russia. They also meddled with the voting process and with the votes.
Now we (all of us voters) need to decide - knowing all of the above - how to proceed.
For those of us who want to dump Trump and support DeSantis what does it say about us? In other words what will DeSantis and every other Republican candidate know about us, their supporters. When the going gets tough, we run in search of another candidate.
What world are you inhabiting?
in the one I inhabit, DeSantis fought the "cultural elite", fought Disney, and supported ordinary parents vs the Establishment.
And he won
And the parents he supported won.
Trump OTOH won a lot of primaries, then sat on his ass while his candidates lost the GE.
How many rallies did he do for Dr Oz in PA?
How much $$$ did he spend supporting Kari Lake?
DeSantis campaigned hi butt off, and brought about a lot of conservative victories.
What did Trump do?
Drago said...
Greg: "You are correct: I never will "get" how anyone sane can say "this person is doing great things, I have no complaints about what he's done, but he lets these other people give him money so I refuse to vote for him."
The list of issues/concerns have been laid out now hundreds of times.
It's pointless to continue.
Well, so long as your position is total BS, yes it's pointless for you to continue.
So long as the totality of your case against DeSantis is "he takes money from people I don't like", your position is stupid, and it's pointless to continue.
Here's what wouldn't be pointless:
1: DO you have a problem with how DeSantis governed FL in 2022?
2: Do you have a problem with how he campaigned in 2022?
3: Do you have a problem with his support, or lack of support, for candidates in 2022?
Note: "who he took money from" or "he had these people listed as part of his campaign" does NOT count as valid "I have a problem with how he campaigned in 2022".
"He screwed over these Populist GOP candidates" would be a valid complaint, if true. For which you would need to name names and give links to the things he did wrong.
If you don't have a problem with how he campaigned (as I defined the issue) then you dont' have a legit gripe about the people he "has on his campaign." Because clearly they had no ability to screw things up the way they would have done if they had actual power.
News flash: GOP populists can't win without GOP non-populists.
If you want to win, then you need non-populists to vote for your candidates.
So, the question remains: do you want to win?
Or do you want to have a purity wankfest?
“News flash: GOP populists can't win without GOP non-populists.”
And GOP non-populists can’t win without populists. The fight for Speaker illustrated that point.
So how did Arizona fare winning and electing John McCain time after time? How did the nation do electing both Bushes? After all those winning elections are we more free or less free?
The problem is that we populists in the Republican Party have always played by the rules. In the end we always vote for and support the Republican candidate. What about the non populists? Did they support Trump, did they vote for Trump? Did Bush 2 - the guy who had tears in his eyes every time he met a service member - did he support Trump? And then when Trump lost and Biden destroyed everything that Americans worked so hard for in Afghanistan, did Bush say one word?
I’ll support you non-populists if every single GOP leader - that includes Bush, Cheney, McConnell, etc. comes out today and says unreservedly that they will support and campaign for whoever wins the Republican nomination.
Drago said...
We will see what DeSantis does re: economic confrontation with China, holding the EU/Nato accountable, closing the border, attacking the deep state, reshoring of jobs, and on and on and on.
DeSantis sent border crossers to Martha' Vineyard. I think he'll do just find on the border crossers.
Where has he FAILED to do any of the above?
Until then, yes we all love the culture war stuff and it needs to be done and DeSantis is doing it, but as has been pointed out, again, hundreds of times (not an exaggeration), the understanding is that DeSantis will continue to double/triple down on the stuff in order to build the street cred as a populist conservative but will not come thru as an economic populist/conservative or America firster.
And your proof for this claim is?
That is why I've said its useless to discuss this further. ALL of DeSantis' major funders, which now includes the Koch brothers, want absolutely nothing to do with any of Trump's economic or Foreign policies...but they are still comfortable funding DeSantis.
What's he given them in exchange for that money?
Absolutely nothing?
So you're really upset that he's taking money that would otherwise be spent on worse politicians?
So the big money people you dont' like, what would they want DeSantis to do over the next two years that you dont' like?
Or are you just making the claim that "I know he'll do bad things if he gets elected", while ignoring all the good things he's done since getting elected, and ignoring all the bad things Trump did after he got elected?
Eva Marie said...
“News flash: GOP populists can't win without GOP non-populists.”
And GOP non-populists can’t win without populists. The fight for Speaker illustrated that point.
Yep. I point that out to the non-p[opulists on a regular basis. Along with pointing out to them that the GOP Establishment hasn't won a national election since 2004.
Which is why I don't ever support GOP Establishment candidates in any Primary.
None of which changes the fact that populists can NOT win on their own
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