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December 10, 2022

At the Saturday Night Café...

... you can talk about whatever you want.

60 comments:

Rusty said...: I had a birthday recently and treated myself and whatshername to a wonderful Chicago style thin crust pizza with sausage and mushrooms. I remember my oldest daughter and I drove around L.A. and most of orange county CA. Looking for a decent pizza. There isn't one.
What's your favorite pizza?
Just like you never ever put katsup on a hotdog unless you're 5. You never ever put pineapple on a pizza.; 12/10/22, 4:45 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: More Twitter Feds... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1601042110857506817.html; 12/10/22, 4:55 PM
Baceseras said...: I rewatched Gaslight, the 1940 British film version of the West End and Broadway stage hit. A good movie that for decades was obscured by the more famous version MGM produced four years later. Hollywood did it better in almost every department, but especially in Ingrid Bergman's star-power glowing through her role as the victim wife of a cunning sociopath; Dyana Wynyard is lovely and proficient, but she has no glow.

The husband becomes the main character in the British film: we see his machinations before we get a glimpse of the effect they're having on his wife. Anton Walbrook looks physically less imposing than in some of his other roles, but he draws a steely monster from within. Not sympathetic at all -- the movie becomes all about waiting for the villain to get his comeuppance.

There's just a tinge -- probably unintentional -- of Little-England-ism, the sense that You can't trust foreigners; and "respectable-looking" foreigners are that much the worse. It's not a deep enough taint to make the film uncomfortable watching though.

Handsome decor, and beautifully photographed in black and white by Harry Stradling, one of the Hollywood studio greats.; 12/10/22, 5:09 PM
Political Junkie said...: Reflections on "all of us".

Went to a neighborhood Kroger last night. Wife's Kroger card number was not being accepted (wanted the discounted prices), so I put all the groceries back and went home. Then decided to go to another Kroger.

Wife and I call this a ghetto Kroger. Store seemed messy, unorganized, lighting seemed off, and I was on "full alert" the entire time in the store and in the parking lot. I was a minority in the store.

These 2 stores are about equidistance from my home. 2 different worlds....I wonder, what caused the differences I saw? Were they real, was that just my bias? Corporate resource allocation, or choices of workers, management, shoppers, etc.; 12/10/22, 5:11 PM
JK Brown said...: Donald Trump a "legal terrorist", which apparently means "delay, delay, delay," and is facing a "legal crescendo" according to this Congresscritter. This Democrat works hard to fan flames without any real fuel.

https://youtu.be/ZEoOSipc8gE; 12/10/22, 5:16 PM
Dave Begley said...: I think I have figured out one method of how Dems cheated in a Nebraska election. More to come

But my first step will be to secure a hand recount of the District 26 Legislative race. I'm seeking a writ of mandamus against the Secretary of State.

In honor of him, I will be wearing my Nebraska State Seal belt buckle to court. No lie!; 12/10/22, 5:18 PM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...: From an article in the Daily Mail about Sam Brinton's (they/them) legal troubles:

When cops called them the first time, they played dumb. Then, they phoned the authorities themselves and admitted to taking the bag but insisted it was a mistake, and that they were simply tired.

I had to read that 3 times before it made sense. This is why Woke won't last, the memos will be too hard to understand.; 12/10/22, 5:47 PM
Readering said...: There was rioting in Belgium when the team lost to Morocco in group stage. Now fears in Paris should France lose semi-final.; 12/10/22, 5:59 PM
Gospace said...: A comment I saw on stevekirsch.substack.com that appears to be completely true, including the self reference to irony.

Ironically, I’m beginning to believe the only people that really want to know if the vaccine is not safe, is the unvaccinated. So the people who are not affected are more concerned about the people who are, then they are. I spent too many restless night, thinking about all the poor vaccinated people just to realize that they won’t even listen to me. I’m just starting to realize maybe it’s a moot point.

I somewhat agree with the immediate follow on comment from someone who doesn’t care about the vaxxed at all since they wanted us all fired or put in concentration camps… Well, that subset of the vaxxed should, IMHO, be hanged if they were in a position of power and implemented any of those measures. Dictator Hochul for example. I know too many that were “forced” to get it. Apparently they were never trained in massive civil disobedience. If people had simply not complied as I didn’t the masking, the shutdowns of schools, none of that would have transpired.

As mentioned I finally got it. From a double vaccinated person with his second go round with it. Pretty much proof the vaccination that isn’t is useless, as other evidence continues to pile up that it’s actually harmful.; 12/10/22, 6:48 PM
rhhardin said...: If Kroger won't accept your kroger number just borrow one from anybody nearby. Some cashiers have extra cards you can borrow too.; 12/10/22, 6:58 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: What's your favorite pizza?

When I was in college (1973-1977), we'd always to to Petrollo's Pizza. Deep dish pizza with double cheese. After 45-years, I still remember its name.; 12/10/22, 7:01 PM
Jersey Fled said...: In the US we only riot when our team wins.; 12/10/22, 7:03 PM
Big Mike said...: At the supper table tonight my wife summarized the Twitter files very succinctly: “We were always told that the People had a Right to know. Then sometime between 2008 and today they suddenly decided we didn’t.”

I married a very smart, very insightful, woman.; 12/10/22, 7:03 PM
Howard said...: Donofrio's Brooklyn style pizza in the Valley circa 1975. Pepperoni.; 12/10/22, 7:03 PM
gilbar said...: Rusty said...
You never ever put pineapple on a pizza.

i disagree. There's a bar in Oelwein named Clete & Connie's;
that makes a Pineapple and Jalapenos thin crust, which is surprisingly great.
You don't miss the meat at all.
When i visit my twin sister; i get one of these and a pepperoni (for her daughter). I usually eat both.

But catsup on a hotdog? That's Just WRONG; 12/10/22, 7:09 PM
madAsHell said...: More Twitter Feds... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1601042110857506817.html

JFK couldn't be reached for comment.; 12/10/22, 7:16 PM
madAsHell said...: You never ever put pineapple on a pizza.

I can't remember.......was it the Canucks, or the Hawaiians that put pineapple on the pizza?; 12/10/22, 7:25 PM
Gusty Winds said...: Blogger Rusty said...
I had a birthday recently and treated myself and whatshername to a wonderful Chicago style thin crust pizza with sausage and mushrooms.

Everybody thinks stuffed pizza is what Chicago eats, but it's not. On a Chicago thin crust the cheese goes on last. Bubbled and roasted spotted brown on top. The cheese acts as an electric blanket keeping whatever glory underneath piping hot. Even on delivery...you have to wait to eat it. There are like 2000 places in the greater Chicagoland area making it.

The stuffed pizza is a great novelty. It rocks. But that's not what people are ordering for parties...and when they party.; 12/10/22, 7:29 PM
madAsHell said...: My wife bought an iron pan just to cook pizza, and it gives her an inch thick pie. It's good pizza.

It's beats Safeway Signature thin-crust cooked on cardboard.; 12/10/22, 7:29 PM
Political Junkie said...: I agree Rusty. No fruit on a pizza.
I am boring and like pepperoni. Meat Lovers is tasty, also.; 12/10/22, 7:35 PM
Political Junkie said...: rhhardin...The wife had loaded some coupons and freebies to her Kroger card, so I had to use her card. Otherwise, your method works perfectly. Thanks.; 12/10/22, 7:37 PM
wlpeak said...: I am reminded by the evidentiary standards the left deployed in the earlier scandal involving a POTUS and Ukraine. You know, one of those 'deeply serious' Trump impeachments we were subjected to. The Ukrainian phone call one.

Nothing explicitly corrupt was said there but that was enough for them to trot out 'Quid pro quo' singalongs for months. And just the tenuous possibility of a Quid was enough to justify the Impeachment with all its damage.

Here, a POTUS' own son's actions, taking money given with only the one plausible corrupt purpose, are just too vague to justify even mentioning let alone investigating I guess.

'No double standard here', 'No Democrat Privilege here', no journalism here.; 12/10/22, 7:58 PM
Narr said...: Mmmm, pizza.; 12/10/22, 8:01 PM
Drago said...: What's your favorite pizza?

Either Villapiano's near the airport in Erie, PA, or the Palomino Club in North Hollywood CA.

Great food and great live music/new bands at both.; 12/10/22, 8:03 PM
notalawyer said...: @Political Junkie: My daughter's brother-in-law used to run a bunch of Kroger stores around our city. One store became known among the area management as "Fellini Kroger" because of the bizarre things that happened there. Funny how the customer base of a store can take on a personality of its own.; 12/10/22, 8:06 PM
Crazy World said...: Rusty, you are right about that! Spaghetti Bender in Zooport Beach used to be pretty good though, my boss at the time did a lot of renovations there.
Definitely has the market on great Mexican food.; 12/10/22, 8:10 PM
notalawyer said...: @Gospace: Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I got triple jabbed while realizing the vax might or might not work and might or might not have side effects. I considered it gamble, as I consider most medical treatments a gamble.

I rolled the dice and came out okay. Now I have little interest in discussing possible harmful side effects, efficacy, etc.

I learned this blasé attitude long ago when I lived in a place where cholera was endemic. The vax available at the time had only 15% efficacy, but gaining a smaller chance of dying of a filthy disease was worth the risk of taking the vax.

You pays your money and you takes your chances.; 12/10/22, 8:23 PM
Original Mike said...: "I can't remember.......was it the Canucks, or the Hawaiians that put pineapple on the pizza?"

Satan put pineapple on the pizza.; 12/10/22, 8:28 PM
Crazy World said...: Also to Rusty, Mazzottis in Huntington Beach was delicious back in the day; 12/10/22, 8:44 PM
Mutaman said...: Blogger Dave Begley said...

"But my first step will be to secure a hand recount of the District 26 Legislative race. I'm seeking a writ of mandamus against the Secretary of State."

Good idea- you right wingers have done so well litigating these issues. just an outstanding track record.; 12/10/22, 8:50 PM
Marc in Eugene said...: Sam Brinton may have a glorious political career ahead of him; Beto... not Beto, the fellow in the Cabinet whose name I've forgotten again, the ex-mayor, had better watch his back.

I didn't realise until a few weeks ago that Albertsons-Safeway also own Krogers and Fred Meyer. Krogers was the local supermarket where I grew up in Ohio.; 12/10/22, 9:40 PM
Readering said...: Political Junkie: in SoCal Krogers owns and operates Ralphs, which in turn also operates Food4Less. Basically 1 chain is like the one supermarket you describe, and the second chain is like the other. Not always that far apart geographically.

Represented Ralphs before the Kroger purchase. Went to charity dinner honoring Chairman for rebuilding after '92 riots. Video tribute by sitting president. Not seen that before. Have to admit I was impressed.; 12/10/22, 10:46 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Kroger is attempting to buy/merge with Albertsons/Safeway. Kroger owns Fred Meyer and QFC. All four of these brands have a big presence in Washington and Oregon. A merger would mean one owner for all of the major supermarkets here. Not good.; 12/10/22, 10:47 PM
Readering said...: Dave Begley: if you think hand recount will reveal skullduggery not apparent from machine recount, but is not expressly required by statute, does it not behoove you to show your cards now? Or is that to be independently dug out during extra time provided by litigation? Asking from far outside Lincoln NE.; 12/10/22, 10:51 PM
Readering said...: Mike that was my thought. Merger not gone through and some resistance. I guess there theory is that they need size to compete with Walmart, Amazon, Target. Walmart opened a supermarket near me in Chinatown, which was lacking non-ethnic market, after years of union prompted political resistance. But quality very poor and shut down after few years.; 12/10/22, 10:56 PM
Marc in Eugene said...: Ah, I see that the Safeway employee gossip was at best inaccurate. Tsk. I only hope that whatever agglomeration eventually results does a better job at integrating the companys' apps than A. and S. have done. A dozen large eggs e.g. is often on sale now for $1.08 in the app; Safeway has sold a dozen large eggs for 99 cents at regular price for... no idea; at least months.; 12/10/22, 11:17 PM
WK said...: Ok. SNL was funny tonight. Steve Martin and Martin Short co-hosting. They probably wrote most of the segments.; 12/10/22, 11:34 PM
Dave Begley said...: Readering

Neb. Rev. Stat. 32-1118 requires a hand recount. But there may be more.; 12/10/22, 11:46 PM
Readering said...: The twitter files tweets included photographs of twitter file pages that included links to DMs, direct messages. The privacy of DMs is protected under the Stored Communications Act. Twitter was asked if the favored journalists had been given access to DMs, and Twitter answered no. But Michael Shellenberger's Trump thread this evening included DM screen shots of DM exchanges of Yoel Roth. His interlocutor's id has been redacted, and Musk is doing much worse things to Roth, but this still contradicts the assurance given by Twitter, and appears an SCA violation.

In pursuit of what? The Trump ban thread is the least interesting yet. We knew there was no prior policy for banning a sitting president, as Twitter had explained in response to many prior calls to do so. Then they decided in a day that 1/6 required change. And 45 reacted by promoting the establishment of a competing site, and has so far declined invite to rejoin twitter. Less money for him.; 12/10/22, 11:57 PM
Achilles said...: Readering said...
The twitter files tweets included photographs of twitter file pages that included links to DMs, direct messages.

Yeah. They do. They show that Twitter employees and Government officials conspired to censor regime opponents.

That is what the Nazi's did.

In pursuit of what?

People who were paying attention knew your were fascist shitheads.

Now everyone in the country knows you are fascist shitheads.

It is time for you people to be treated like fascist shitheads.; 12/11/22, 12:01 AM
Readering said...: Dave Begeley. I read it and the following section cited in your mandamus petition. Does not seem to say so in so many words. You don't quote such language in your short petition. (The internet is amazing). But you being paid to read this stuff, not me.; 12/11/22, 12:01 AM
Readering said...: Achilles. Seems like half your comments to mine accuse me of being a nazi. Give it a rest. Law of diminishing returns. Is Musk a Nazi for banning Ye for posting a nazi symbol that is not actually a nazi symbol? Maybe Musk's favored journalists should skip this stuff and search the admittedly enormous twitter files for evidence of what you allege with just your imagination.; 12/11/22, 12:11 AM
Lem the artificially intelligent said...: Heads Up: Don't forget to say, "Alexa, thank my driver."; 12/11/22, 1:33 AM
Baceseras said...: Calling it catsup instead of ketchup is not as bad as putting it on a hot dog, but almost.; 12/11/22, 1:57 AM
Hey Skipper said...: @Mutaman: Good idea- you right wingers have done so well litigating these issues. just an outstanding track record.

Out of the lawsuits filed, how many have been litigated?

And of those litigated, how many did “right wingers” win?; 12/11/22, 2:28 AM
Lawnerd said...: Pepe’s apizza in New Haven. The “apizza” is not a typo. Pepe’s clam pizza is pure bliss.; 12/11/22, 2:58 AM
Baceseras said...: The lead singer, the harmony, and the song; 12/11/22, 3:00 AM
Lawnerd said...: I wasn’t going to get the jab. Worked in the Pharma industry my entire career and knew that it’s impossible to get efficacy and safety data in a few months. But unexpected open heart surgery made me opt for the vaccine. Coughing with your rib cage undone is pure hell. I regret the decision but given the same circumstances would likely do it again.; 12/11/22, 3:05 AM
rhhardin said...: "Gratuitous mystification begins from the moment that we start to peer around for the beings named by our pronouns." - Ryle, _The Concept of Mind_ p.168

Pronouns are index words, not names, he says.

Derrida remarked somewhere that Ryle used the name Fido as a regular name example so that it would be obedient.; 12/11/22, 4:11 AM
boatbuilder said...: Political Junkie: In defense of pineapples, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplants are technically fruits.

But I agree--no sweet stuff on pizza!; 12/11/22, 7:15 AM
wendybar said...: Lawnerd said...
Pepe’s apizza in New Haven. The “apizza” is not a typo. Pepe’s clam pizza is pure bliss.

It sure is!! I've eaten at the original New Haven restaurant, and they now have other Restaurants throughout the Northeast. I still think New Haven is the best....but it's good to have one closer by!; 12/11/22, 7:22 AM
Jersey Fled said...: There's a bar in NJ (can't remember the name of it) near Rahway Prison that has the best pizza in the world.

As to my favorite pizza it's Manco and Manco in Ocean City NJ.; 12/11/22, 7:42 AM
West TX Intermediate Crude said...: Political Junkie-
"Culture eats strategy for breakfast."
Some very smart guy said that, and it explains everything.
"Culture" can be very local, national, or international, and can't be fought.
We have spent the last half century destroying our national culture, and now see the consequences nationally.
The local culture of the neighborhoods where your Krogers are located explains the different vibes you feel in the 2 places.
Your minority status in the ghetto store is a correlation, not a cause.
I am at the point that I don't get outraged anymore when we trade a gun merchant for a symbol, or read the latest twitter file, or learn of the latest election steal. It's not the kind of thing that can be fought against piecemeal. I'm enjoying the ride for now as an upper middle class white guy, but I'll be ready to make my contribution when the time comes. I may be dead before that time does come, but for the sake of my grandchildren, I hope not.; 12/11/22, 8:32 AM
Rusty said...: Baceseras said...
"Calling it catsup instead of ketchup is not as bad as putting it on a hot dog, but almost."
These are the least of my sins.; 12/11/22, 8:43 AM
Readering said...: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/business/hunting-wyoming-elk-mountain-access.html

Fascinating article about dispute between hunters and landowner over access to public land cut off by private land. Not particularly sympathetic to hunters myself, but rooting for these guys; 12/11/22, 9:49 AM
Rusty said...: Not to argue with NY Times, but the fact is that there is access. It's just that you might have to walk 5 miles and ascend 3000 feet to get there and the majority of hunters want to park their truck walk 500 yards and shoot an elk.; 12/11/22, 11:35 AM
Lurker21 said...: Steve Martin got really old. He looks different now. Like an older Anderson Cooper? Or like Walter Matthau? Mandy Patinkin? Martin Short is no spring chicken either.

Judging from the clips, SNL was very funny last night. I think it's a tired, creaking old format, but couldn't help laughing. A lot.; 12/11/22, 12:39 PM
stunned said...: Jeffrey Sachs: A Negotiated End to Fighting in Ukraine Is the Only Real Way to End the Bloodshed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrmWpI_s7rc; 12/11/22, 1:03 PM
gpm said...: >>What's your favorite pizza?

What I call Greek-style pizza. We had it all the time undergrad from the HHOP on Mass. Ave., where we helped finance the importation of half the owners' family from Greece. Later on, after I moved into Boston and started working, there was a place on the way home owned by Turks that did the same style. Crust is a bit thicker than really thin-crust. Tomato sauce is more cooked. Lots of oregano. I used to get mostly pepperoni, mushroom, and spinach.

Later still, after that place closed, there was a place across the alley and then across the street. Pizza wasn't great but, hey, it was across the alley and then across the street. And it was open to 3 a.m.

Later, later, still, some OK cheese and pepperoni pizza at the smallest Whole Foods on the next block, since closed. Now living in a pizza desert.

>>I rewatched Gaslight, the 1940 British film version

MGM ruthlessly suppressed that version for some 60 years. Finally saw it on TCM, though I don't remember it as well as the MGM version.

>>Everybody thinks stuffed pizza is what Chicago eats, but it's not. On a Chicago thin crust the cheese goes on last. Bubbled and roasted spotted brown on top.

I wish I could say that's what I grew up on, but, no, what we had was crappy frozen John's pizza from "the Jewel's." Fully agree that that's the pizza Chicago actually eats. And it's cut in a grid, not sixths or eighths used elsewhere.

>>"Calling it catsup instead of ketchup is not as bad as putting it on a hot dog, but almost."

My reaction, exactly.

Late to the party, as always.

--gpm; 12/11/22, 6:32 PM
Mutaman said...: Hey Skipper said...

"Out of the lawsuits filed, how many have been litigated?

And of those litigated, how many did “right wingers” win?"

Filing a lawsuit is "litigation", Skippy. So the Know Nothings have litigated more than 60 lawsuits and they have lost more than 60 lawsuits.; 12/11/22, 9:15 PM