Again, to be crystal clear, Twitter’s strong commitment to content moderation remains absolutely unchanged.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 4, 2022
In fact, we have actually seen hateful speech at times this week decline *below* our prior norms, contrary to what you may read in the press.
November 5, 2022
According to Elon Musk, the misinformation (malinformation?) is in the mainstream press.
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It will continue to decline as leftists lose control.
Hate speech is actually in general just standard tribal hatred.
If Twitter is no longer controlled by one tribe and becomes a true common square where anyone can speak their mind the leftists will become more polite.
It is echo chambers that generate the most "hate." This is common to all groups.
I have no idea what hateful speech is.
Well, he's right.
Here's some related information on how Musk plans to improve and monetize Twitter, by re-thinking how to handle the frustration of links to articles behind a paywall, when you don't want to buy a subscription to the NYT, WaPo, etc.
Pure genius: "Musk wants to set up a micro-transaction economy wherein users would have the option to pay as little as ten cents to read a single article." (Referring to links to articles behind a paywall.)
THIS is how you defeat them when they're trying to destroy your business by taking away ad revenue. Micro-transactions for a fee. How come nobody ever thought of that?! Because they're dullards and Musk is brilliant.
Is "hateful" speech different from"hate" speech?
It feels like the two terms are different but I can't put my finger on how.
Will Elon's Twitter provide definitions of either? If not, how can one avoid falling foul of of engaging in it?
It sounds like are are right where we started with censored speech continuing.
I like the way Ann handles it here. There doesn't seem to be any censorship other than for one word, clearly stated, general repeated douchbagery and failure to stay, at least loosely on topic.
Why can't Twitter just set a few clear rules about what is and is not acceptable and give users the power to block anything we find offensive. Some simple AI could handle that. Something like what my tablet does with words suggestions.
John stop fascism vote republican Henry
Assuming it's true, it's not surprising that Musk can assure us that the moderation policies have not changed, even though we've seen a number of unbannings and seemingly less restrictive moderation.
In other words, the policies were written so as to give twitter personnel a lot of discretion to ban or not ban based on ideological and other unwritten subjective factors. Policy doesn't need to change, just change the culture of applying the policy in a discriminatory manner against conservatives. He could even reverse the discrimination and still claim no policy change.
I would bet their deference to government bureaucrats' wishes are not written policies, although there seems to be a fairly high chance of uncovering a smoking gun sooner or later, at twitter or other social media.
I like "malinformation" way better than "misinformation"!
Among other reasons, when I hear the word "misinformation" now, I keel over and die.
That was an exaggeration.
My eyeballs roll up into my head.
That was also an exaggeration.
What literally happens is that I don't read that shit.
Which is not nearly as exciting as "keel over and die." But it's literally true.
(I almost added "motherfucker" to my last sentence, but I didn't want to mess up a literal sentence).
(And now when I re-read paragraph six, which is supposed to be my literal fucking paragraph, I suddenly realize that "shit" is not meant to be taken literally in that paragraph). So it fails as a literal paragraph.
I'm not going to self-delete that one, I'm going to leave it up there as a warning to others. Watch out for the literal traps!
It's like we say in Bible study. "Some of it's literal, some of it's parable, and you got to figure it out, or you'll be bragging about the mustard seeds in your pocket."
Where will leftists go to call all who disagree - "white nationalists!"
"election deniers!" "racists!" etc...
Of course that speech is allowed.
Don't you dare wander off the corrupt Fauci Big Pharma forced vaccine plantation.
Hate speech is anything that makes a leftist uncomfortable.
Lefties have problems accepting the two related notions that (1) much of what they spew is hate speech when viewed by conservatives and centrists, and (2) reality is not hate speech.
As an example of the former consider Sunny Hostin’s smear of suburban housewives (Bill Clinton’s “soccer mommies”) as cockroaches now that Democrat policies are pushing the housewives to vote Republican. Did she think of her metaphor as hate speech when she said it? Does she even realize that it’s hate speech now?
I don't see how Musk can make money with Twitter, but watching the events unfold is delicious.
"I have no idea what hateful speech is."
We went to a choir recital for 6, 7, and 8th grade kids this week. Sure was a lot of talk about "hate" from the teacher leading the choir. I hate (there's that word again) to think what it does to young minds to immerse them in the idea that hate is everywhere.
"Pure genius: "Musk wants to set up a micro-transaction economy wherein users would have the option to pay as little as ten cents to read a single article.""
That is a great idea. I hope it doesn't catch on, however. If that became the norm I can see me wasting a lot of time reading articles when I should be doing something more productive. Paywalls are a great filter for me.
Elon is about to start naming and shaming the corporations that are pulling advertising from Twitter for allowing free speech.
The next front in this war for freedom is bringing the giant corporations that are the backbone of the fascist movement down.
All of the ESG. All of the Critical Race Theory. The support for Democrat and GOPe cronies.
These companies like Coke Bottling Company, Pfizer, General Motors, General Electric, Honeywell are all government supported crony entities that the Regime is using to get around limits on Government power spelled out in the constitution.
I can't wait for the next National Review Online column on why we need to obey our giant corporate NRO donors.
Maybe Musk should apply the Althouse rule and just kick out the people who are trying to destroy Twitter (i.e. using bots and shit) but let all the free speakers go, more or less?
You want humans communicating things, without policing that. Because free speech is how we learn from others and improve humanity.
Blogger planetgeo said...
"Pure genius: "Musk wants to set up a micro-transaction economy wherein users would have the option to pay as little as ten cents to read a single article." (Referring to links to articles behind a paywall.)
THIS is how you defeat them when they're trying to destroy your business by taking away ad revenue. Micro-transactions for a fee. How come nobody ever thought of that?! Because they're dullards and Musk is brilliant."
It will require cooperation from the content generators. The NYT and others have had an intentionally adversarial relationship with social media. Add Musk to the equation and it seems like it would get worse, not better. And if the business model is dependent on some of the most woke media outlets, it's a questionable strategy if your goal is to have an open market place of ideas, which they hate.
planetgeo said...
Here's some related information on how Musk plans to improve and monetize Twitter, by re-thinking how to handle the frustration of links to articles behind a paywall, when you don't want to buy a subscription to the NYT, WaPo, etc.
Pure genius: "Musk wants to set up a micro-transaction economy wherein users would have the option to pay as little as ten cents to read a single article." (Referring to links to articles behind a paywall.)
THIS is how you defeat them when they're trying to destroy your business by taking away ad revenue. Micro-transactions for a fee. How come nobody ever thought of that?! Because they're dullards and Musk is brilliant.
I don't think you should credit Musk with the concept of microtransactions.
But the application to Twitter would be fair to credit to him.
Twitter is going to be updated into the web 3.0 framework that is built around Decentralized Application Protocols. This is currently being used widely in the block chain space.
Eventually every time you send a tweet you will pay an unnoticeable amount of money to send the tweet. Something like .1 cent. This fee will go to the node operator that runs the computers that process your message and send it to the decentralized node network and to generate revenue for the company.
You are going to get links in tweets that allow you to pay an arbitrary amount to view some content. Advertising will be in the form of users paying to send these advertising tweets to potential customers.
Interestingly the owners of the Binance Exchange and Binance Smart Chain are 1% owners in twitter now as well. The BSC is EVM so not really what I would consider decentralized. But it has driven speculation on the BNB token.
“ rhhardin said...
I have no idea what hateful speech is.”
Any speech that disagrees with the left’s nattative is hateful speech. The very idea that someone can disagree is traumatizing.
As for the MSM, misinformation is their primary product and Narrative Uber Alles is both their marching song and modus operandi.
rhhardin said...
I have no idea what hateful speech is.
For me it is the elimination of individuality and denigration of motives and humanity based on a perceived tribal affiliation rather than the actual actions of that person.
If you call someone a Nazi because they try to take away your free speech that is observation.
If you call someone a Nazi because they voted for Trump that is hate speech.
Same thing goes for racial affiliations.
Now I don't actually think you should ban hate speech. People should be allowed to speak their minds.
But it should be noted when the motivation is hate.
Yes. That would be correct, not to mention censorship at the direction of the government and Democrat party.
I'd like to know if the to-be-laid-off employees (thanks, John Henry, for pointing out that Musk-Twitter is complying with the mass layoff regs, as I had just read that Twitter employees were putting together a class action lawsuit that I'm guessing was based on anticipating non-compliance) have been locked out. I sure hope so.
Musk is losing his way and control for his business if he engages with the leftist censors. He should adopt a policy like the University of Chicago that encourages free and open speech, even if uncomfortable for some. Restrict swear words, name calling without verified documentation (fascist, Nazi, etc.), and words that conjure a ready and present danger to someone or some group, as defined by the Supreme Court. Musk's greatest contribution to the country would be to model the First Amendment and the Constitution. Perhaps then people will "get it" even if they have not been educated on it in the classroom. It may also help the spoiled brats on the left to grow up.
Side thought: there should always be an open thread for discussion of government corruption and trampling of the rights of our sovereign citizens.
Elon has a lot of work to do at Twitter, and it will take some time to settle out.
I'd prefer little to no content moderation on Twitter as long as it's clear who it's coming from and users have the ability to avoid it.
A ban on hate speech doesn't help me because nobody is going to ban any speech that I complain about. A ban on hate speech can't possibly be fairly applied. Let the haters hate, but let us know who they are.
Same thing with mal-, mis- or disinformation. That can't be policed without the mission creep that results in the company being an agent of propaganda. Just let us know who is posting.
If people follow Gweneth Paltrow's suggestions for health and wellness, it's on them. Handle slander and libel through the courts.
Clearly too many advertisers have left already.
Twitter is just a small piece of social media advertising and like what just happened to Kanye and Kyrie Irving no advertiser wants to risk being associated with negative publicity.
Easy enough to plow that money into the many many other options in the digital and social ad space.
Hateful speech is asking questions of a Karen-Dem. We deplorables want to know whether the Karen-Dems have learned that the Covid disaster would have been avoided has they allowed free speech and listened to their fellow citizens. Fifty per cent of the country has known for years what the Karen-Dems are just finding out. They're just finding out because they wouldn't listen and used platforms like Twitter to prevent free speech rather than enable it. And still most of them proudly attack free speech and are upset because "the bird is free." Amnesty when Dems can say "free speech" without choking. And stop prosecuting Trump. Otherwise they've learned nothing.
"Hate speech" is a really bizarre idea if you take it literally.
They want to punish haters.
(I saw a funny bumper sticker in a bar the other day, "We Love Haters!" Gave me a warm fuzzy).
Anyway, one of my theories is that "hate speech" is pushed by control freak lefties who actually want to stifle emotion. They want you to be repressed. They want you to bottle up your emotions. They want you to feel nothing. (It's a lot easier to control people if they feel nothing).
There is no such thing as "Hate Speech" except that as defined by each person as being such. What is a "Good Opinion" versus a "Bad Opinion". lt's all subjective.
The UK has gone into the toilet on that one and added penalties because of "Hate Crimes" in the USA are just as bad.
Marcus B. THEOLDMAN
Dog bites man.
(Had a phone conversation last Saturday with a middle-aged woman who has degrees from MIT and still lives in Boston who didn't believe me when I told her there was no such thing legally as 'hate speech.' She'd read about it in the Times and Globe.)
The lefties will howl that Elon changed the algorithms.
Ha ha ha.
It's good to be King!
Saint Croix: "Anyway, one of my theories is that "hate speech" is pushed by control freak lefties who actually want to stifle emotion. They want you to be repressed. They want you to bottle up your emotions. They want you to feel nothing. (It's a lot easier to control people if they feel nothing)."
Lefty NPC drones are always looking to "recruit" more drones, by any means necessary.
The no-longer-astonishing revelation is just how many people want to volunteer for lefty NPC drone-ness.
Dumb Lefty Mark: "Clearly too many advertisers have left already."
LOL
Dumb Lefty Mark is still pretending he knows what's going on here and what the long term vision is and what revenue hiccups actually represent fundamental long term problems and which ones don't.
Next up for Musk, who himself has 114,000,000 followers: Naming the specific companies caving to the leftist activists.
That revenue-biting bug is free to search for targets in all kinds of directions......and something tells me that Musk is much better positioned for any long-term politically driven revenue-attacks.
The liberal/left MSM is not interested in being "fair" or "accurate". they have an agenda, and their favorite tactic is simply push, push, push, push. They don't care if Musk is actually moderating content, they want him to be even more extreme and censor even more.
So, all his "Hey, look what I'm doing" is going to be met with "You're not doing enough. You need to do more". Because that's the way the left/liberals operate. Give them an inch and they will demand a mile. Always.
No matter what happens, the Republican is always the Nazi. Democracy is always at risk. racism has never been worse, antisemitism is always at an all-time high. Never let up. Always attack. Always push for more. That's why the cucky "Gosh, Look at what I've done. I've attacked Trump. I'm attacking racism. I've adopted a black kid. I've gone to Israel. I wave the Gay flag." etc. is NEVER enough.
The center-right never gets it. They keep wanting to have reasonable conversation, and be applauded for the liberal values and actions. Never gonna happen.
I have to say that Musk is a very fast actor. Just yesterday President Biden (aka "Bozo") said that Musk was spewing lies all over the world. Why Musk is a one man wrecking ball--in Slow Joe's estimation.
Not really saying anything meaningful is he?
In fact, we have actually seen hateful speech at times this week decline *below* our prior norms...
One of the cool things about Musk is that he has a sense of humor.
Like Trump, actually.
It's strange (and interesting) to have billionaires who are cracking wise. I think Althouse is right and a lot of the anti-Trump vitriol happens because they don't hear the humor in what he's doing and saying.
I remember Trump mocking the shit out of Republicans in the primaries and how Democrats loved it. They saw the humor then! I didn't think that shit was funny at all. I wasn't laughing, I was terrified.
I think Rubio or somebody asked me to sign the Never Trump pledge, and I signed that shit. Put my name right on it. And then when he was elected I was a little nervous that my name was on some damn anti-Trump pledge. What if the IRS started knocking on my door? Audit time! Audit time! But nothing happened. And on some level I realized that it wasn't a problem because he didn't give a shit about it. Honestly I kind of think he ran for President just for fun and laughs and to see what would happen. And then he started winning and it kind of snowballed.
Anyway, I don't think Democrats realize how exhausting their Trump fear is for the rest of us. Shouldn't you notice, at some point, in the four years of the Trump presidency, that the nightmare scenario you were terrified would happen did not, in fact, happen?
Misinformation is coming from the mainstream press?!
From an old horror movie: "The phone calls are coming from inside the house!"
They want you to be repressed. They want you to bottle up your emotions. They want you to feel nothing. (It's a lot easier to control people if they feel nothing).
I don't know... To me, going back to 1984, it's not necessarily that it's easier to control you if you feel nothing; ISTM that it's easier to control you if you feel fear, and if the fear is constant, and if you feel there's no possibility of escape from either the emotion of fear or the consequences of defiance.
They've worked very hard, over at Twitter, to make people believe that the consequences of defiance (that is, of expressing an unapproved opinion, however mildly) will be permanent social shunning, with (at least) professional consequences, and that there are an unknown but large number of people at Twitter evaluating everything we say with itchy trigger fingers on the "permanent ban" button.
Now, Musk comes along and slices the number of censors potentially in half, and provides us an actual number of those censors so we can gauge the hazard, and also at least claims that censorship (moderation, that is; tomato, tomahto) will be applied viewpoint-neutrally based on written policies rather than individual decisions. Fear of the unknown Stasi informants is reduced, and consequences are reduced or removed. I think this is why we seeing such exuberance from the side that has borne the brunt of the censorship until now.
The mainstream press always lies. They are pure liberal propaganda. Scary part is liberal and Democrats believe them.
It eludes me why anyone EVER thought it a good idea to profess one's personal opinions in a public, searchable, archived, online format - from email to Twitter - without anonymizing oneself at least to the extent done here in Althouse comments.
Imagine meeting Inga or Howard in person, knowing what they think, and how they don't.
The horror, the horror.
1. I would like to know how many of the people laid off were female, and how many were male. (Trannies I don't care about).
2. What I have found fascinating about the cancel culture is its dependencies. Cancel culture is dependent upon the safety offered by the mob against the target individual. A safe space, such as Twitter has been, creates some truly awful tyrants - as we have seen. But this kind of system depends on terror, while it has some really terrible vulnerabilities that have yet to be exploited effectively.
3. Isn't it strange that nobody took the mission to name where the Twitter censor bureaus were located? Physical locations facilitate in-person confrontations. Wouldn't a few of those have been interesting. Talking non-violent protest here, just in case some mob-tyrant Cancel Boss starts getting ideas.
4. At the bottom of our polarization is a lack of trust in others. An insecurity, at best. I trust Elon to command Twitter though. He's talking to the enemy, but that's also a form of engagement. He's shining a light while he's doing it, and they don't like it. Now he's shining it at the advertisers, since they're 'suspending' revenue to see if this tactic will work. I think it was Senator Mike Lee that suggested to Elon that he name & shame the Woke-Corporations that were doing this (apparently at the behest of Soros-led Dark Money), so that the rest of the quasi-normal world could act on their awareness if they so choose - by boycott. That seems to be precisely what Musk has in mind. I bet that prospect, the proles closing their collective wallets, will get their mind right. Enough of them have trampled off into the 'Get Woke' weeds now, there is a clear path and the 'Go Broke' pit is in view as a reminder.
'Next up for Musk, who himself has 114,000,000 followers: Naming the specific companies caving to the leftist activists.'
If Elon wants to call out advertisers who left he can go ahead, but to you honestly think any company would decide to advertise there after?
Sure Elon, poison the advertising well. It was only 90% of your income when you walked in the door ... let's see you make a profit without it.
It's cute that y'all think that having the second largest owner after Elon be the Saudis means that there will be rampant free speech there. They're so well known for spreading freedom and individual rights around the globe.
Key phrase is “at times this past week” - so at other times this past week, hateful speech is up.
Dumb Lefty Mark: "If Elon wants to call out advertisers who left he can go ahead, but to you honestly think any company would decide to advertise there after?"
Shareholders might start wondering why management of a company losing revenue unnecessarily decided to play ball with Dumb Lefty Activists instead focusing on the bottom line.
Again, who is better positioned for such a battle?
Dumb Lefty Mark: "Sure Elon, poison the advertising well. It was only 90% of your income when you walked in the door ... let's see you make a profit without it."
It has long been Elon's stated intention to reduce the % of twitter revenue that is generated by ads vs other streams.
But hey, what does Elon know about creating and building successful companies? After all, he still hasnt convinced Dumb Lefty Mark!
Alas, what does it profit a man to become the richest man in the world, completely self-made, if he cannot persuade Dumb Lefty Rando on Teh Interwebs?
Dumb Lefty Mark (wisely changing the subject but unwisely choosing the Saudi Abgle): "It's cute that y'all think that having the second largest owner after Elon be the Saudis means that there will be rampant free speech there"
Its super adorable you dont think the Saudi's were investors prior to Elon's purchase and your dementia-riddled installed figure-head was back in Saudi Arabia just weeks ago fist-bumping MBS and begging on his knees for Aramco to jack up production to help save the election for Team Groomer.
Pretty quick to the "our".
It's cute that y'all think that having the second largest owner after Elon be the Saudis means that there will be rampant free speech there. They're so well known for spreading freedom and individual rights around the globe.
I can hear Lefty Mark grinding his teeth all the way here in Arizona.
so at other times this past week, hateful speech is up.
So what?
You guys don't get to define what is and is not 'hate' speech.
Speech is speech. Don't like it? Don't listen to it or read it.
Anyway, I don't think Democrats realize how exhausting their Trump fear is for the rest of us.
Oh, they realize it. That's the whole point: Exhaust us to the point we no longer want Trump back. Then they'll turn on DeSantis or anyone else who takes Trump's place. We have to hope it doesn't work, or that they eventually exhaust themselves.
"Is "hateful" speech different from "hate" speech?"
I think so. for example, "I hate you" is hate speech. "You are hateful" is hateful speech.
Mark,
Musk claims to own 100 percent of Twitter. He is the sole board member.
You strike me as particularly good at math. Can you explain what percent of Twitter the Saudis still own?
Or the percentage anyone else owns while you are at it.
John stop fascism vote republican Henry
"Next up for Musk, who himself has 114,000,000 followers: Naming the specific companies caving to the leftist activists."
Dems have a standing army of complainers who contact Tuckers advertisers. Would be great for Musks 114,000,000 followers to call, text, email, and snail mail corporate sissies.
Follow the link and read comments. Lots of crybabies there whining. Pretty funny.
I don't see any ads.
And, easy to bypass paywalls with free apps.
Charge a penny instead of a dime to read articles.
The NYT covered up for Stalin.
And some fetuses still read it and think it's trustworthy.
That's the whole point: Exhaust us to the point we no longer want Trump back.
@James K, if that’s their goal then they’ve screwed the pooch. Sometimes I want to bring Trump back just to stick it to them. When “sometimes” becomes “frequently” then they have definitely screwed up, because I am a long way from being alone.
H/T Tim Pool for this 11 year old story about US military bots propagandizing on Twitter.
If only the. president Obama had known I am sure he would have put a stop to it.
Riiiight?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda
Jeff Jarvis: Washington shows the morals of a clumsy spammer
Nick Fielding and Ian Cobain
Thu 17 Mar 2011 13.19 GMT
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The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.
(snip)
Since Dumb Lefty Mark presents him/her/xer-self as all-knowing, all seeing, all comprehending of all things Twitter and Elon, perhaps Mark will clue us in on Musk's publicly announced Content Creators Monetization plan?
Dont hold back Mark. Give us all the details. We can hardly wait.
New info I learned today: Twitter employees were selling verifications after people had been told they would not be verified by Twitter’s regular procedures. Read that some people paid thousands to get their checkmating. When asked about this Elon’s 1 word answer was “yup”!
So don’t feel sorry for those let go. Some of them were nothing but scum. We will hear more about vile behavior at Twitter.
A hearty happy 76th birthday to the king of Cosmic American Music! Wish ya coulda seen it all play out Gram (Parsons).
John Henry, a simple Google search will show I am not making up. This is from National Review
"Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal helped Musk finance the $44 billion acquisition of Twitter (TWTR) by rolling over his existing $1.9 billion stake in the social media company. The move makes Saudi entities the second-largest shareholder in Twitter — behind only Musk himself."
Perhaps you should read outside your echo chamber.
Dems have a standing army of complainers who contact Tuckers advertisers.
It's interesting that Tucker is so successful on TV when Limbaugh could not make it work.
The move makes Saudi entities the second-largest shareholder in Twitter — behind only Musk himself."
Perhaps you should read outside your echo chamber.
Lefty Mark follows the rabbit down the fantasy hole. The Saudi prince increased his investment by $1.9 billion. Musk invested $44 billion. I know you lefties don't like Saudis, although you also hate the US being energy independent and thus not needing the Saudis, but take a lesson from your guy Brandon. If you need something, ideology is secondary.
Dumb Lefty Mark:
"Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal helped Musk finance the $44 billion acquisition of Twitter (TWTR) by rolling over his existing $1.9 billion stake in the social media company. The move makes Saudi entities the second-largest shareholder in Twitter — behind only Musk himself."
LOL
So the Saudi's were ALREADY into Twitter for a sweet $1.9B before Musk showed up.
During the years about which we now know the following:
- New Soviet Democraticals had direct lines of communication with twitter to censor and suppress anything the democraticals didnt like
- Twitter was working directly with democratical-aligned deep state security agencies to censor and suppress anything that might negatively impact the democraticals
- Twitter allowed an entire UN team to work with a dedicated twitter team to censor and suppress anything they wanted
A quick check back thru the archives to find ANY criticism of twitter by Dumb Lefty Mark for either Saudi ownership or governmental/political interference shows a nice round ZERO.
Next up for Dumb Lefty Mark: extended coffee breaks at Twitter NOW becomes a huge scandal!
Michael, Musk invested the full $44 Billion himself? From what facts do you get that, please be specific.
Didn't he allow Jack Dorsey to just roll his $1 billion shares over?
Musk might be the guy signing at the bottom line, but he has a whole heap of other owners in this with him. Unless he wants to cash out a lot of Tesla stock, he's going to have to listen to their demands now.
Dumb Lefty Mark: "Musk might be the guy signing at the bottom line, but he has a whole heap of other owners in this with him. Unless he wants to cash out a lot of Tesla stock, he's going to have to listen to their demands now."
LOL
Those other owners happily jumped on the Musk train, not the Dumb Lefty Mark train. They bought into the Musk vision. Musk is completely in the drivers seat.
I can tell thats just eating you up inside.
Btw, have you been following the realtime updates Elon personally provides on the status of key improvements and policies on what seems like an hourly basis?
Quite an incredibly positive change right out of the gate.
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