Potter and Carre had allowed Sanford — at the time the boyfriend of their daughter, Miriam — to live in their home during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, until tensions in the home prompted Potter and Carre to rent the young couple an Airbnb on Madison’s South Side until they could find a permanent apartment in which to live...
... Berz said she has seen no sign of remorse from Sanford, “not a scintilla,” even in a statement he made in court Wednesday in which he called Potter and Carre “two beautiful people” introduced to him by Miriam Carre. He said Miriam had shown him for the first time in his life a world of “unconditional love.”
“(Potter and Carre) saw my potential, accepted my adversities, and took me in,” Sanford said. “So that was me, in the home of Beth and Robin, with mental health issues, not communicating very well, smoking weed, disobeying rules, and procrastinating way too much about my future because I was too fanatically in love to care.”
The negative things, he said, were “typical teenager stuff,” and beyond that, “there was love and (unrepayable) appreciation for them because they tried to be that adult for me.”
He added: “If taking my life is what it takes to repay them, to resolve the grievances of this beautiful family and define justice, I will be honored, your honor. Take it.”
Offer accepted!
(Here's my post about the murders from April 2020.)
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2022: Sung to the tune of Betty Boop's, "I wanna be loved by you..."
There is currently news in Tennessee about a career criminal, released from prison perhaps a bit too soon for similar crimes, who abducted and murdered a mother while she was out jogging. Completely unknown to each other, the victim was selected by the predatory criminal due to momentary circumstances of her availability and his opportunity.
Is that criminal a better or worse case for permanent incarceration, the death penalty, three strikes, etc., than this case of murdering one's benefactors? Why?
Thinking about the most recent shooter who was arrested today. Randomly shooting people - including some who had offered to help. Also those who push people onto to the subway tracks just because.
What is it in them that is broken - whether their actions were intentional or not.
Monster.
I do not understand why showing remorse would be a mitigating factor in the punishment.
That Soros prosecutor will find a way to let him out early. And he will kill again, like that guy in Memphis which just elected another Soros prosecutor.
Now suppose the races were reversed.
And bleeding-hearts lefties continue pleading, "The death penalty is cruel."
I bet they told themselves that it would be racist not to let him move in with their daughter.
"Apologizes" and slips in the ol' mental health *issues* excuse. Because he'd have to be mentally ill to do all that, right?
It's all we got now.
The crime was horrific. That's the only thing the murderer has working for him. The crime was sensational but violative of PC narratives. It's not like the death of George Floyd. There's no real interest in drawing attention to this crime or finding some underlying moral lesson in the tale. In twenty years it will all be forgotten, and the murderer will be up for parole. Maybe he won't make it the first time, but he'll get out and won't be too far into middle age when he does.
gspencer said...
And bleeding-hearts lefties continue pleading, "The death penalty is cruel."
Overlooked, perhaps deliberately, is the cruelty inflicted on the victims, by both the perpetrator and the "justice" system.
Imprisonment wasn't the primary form of punishment imposed by the state in Ancient Greece or Israel. The Greeks used prisons as holding cells for criminals awaiting execution. And incarceration is not even part of the Torah's penal code. Depending on the crime, a person received a fine, got beat up a little or got executed if he was murderer or some sort of scumbag.
I think it's amazing that prisons are a modern phenomenon. I wonder if it has anything to do with the changing nature of our communities (i.e., "diversity")?
"Completely unknown to each other, the victim was selected by the predatory criminal due to momentary circumstances of her availability and his opportunity."
There is evidence coming out in the investigation that would tend to suggest that Eliza Fletcher was in fact targeted for rape and murder by her killer. She has connections to the law offices of the person who Cleotha Abston abducted that resulted in his previous 22-year prison sentence.
The larger question we should have as a society is this: When are Americans going to realize that its criminal justice system is simply unwilling to identify so-called "people" who should never, ever be let out of prison, and that we should just systematically kill those people vigilante-style.
If I was this poor girls father, this fucking guy would already be dead. And probably anybody getting in my way on my way to killing him.
This government no longer is interested or even attempting to keep us safe from these horrible predators. We need a new government.
"Completely unknown to each other, the victim was selected by the predatory criminal due to momentary circumstances of her availability and his opportunity."
There is evidence coming out in the investigation that would tend to suggest that Eliza Fletcher was in fact targeted for rape and murder by her killer. She has connections to the law offices of the person who Cleotha Abston abducted that resulted in his previous 22-year prison sentence.
The larger question we should have as a society is this: When are Americans going to realize that its criminal justice system is simply unwilling to identify so-called "people" who should never, ever be let out of prison, and that we should just systematically kill those people vigilante-style.
If I was this poor girls father, this fucking guy would already be dead. And probably anybody getting in my way on my way to killing him.
This government no longer is interested or even attempting to keep us safe from these horrible predators. We need a new government.
Don’t minimize the smoking weed element to this. More and more violent crime is being done by regular marijuana consumers. I have read, but forget where and can’t cite, that states with legal pot have seen a significant increase in schizophrenia. Almost all teenage mass shooters were also habitual users.
I feel horrible for the couple but I fear that they and their daughter were naive. Is the daughter alive and does she feel remorse at bringing him into their lives?
There's no death penalty in Wisconsin.
What's astoundingly evil in this case is that he abducted and executed a man and woman who had shown him so much kindness and generosity and who were such positive contributors to the community.
"I think it's amazing that prisons are a modern phenomenon."
I don't think it's amazing. It's hard to keep people in prison. It's expensive and dangerous. You need some sort of building, and how do you ensure that people are securely held without (intentionally or unintentionally) inflicting torture?
From the "history" section of the Wikipedia article "Prison":
"The Romans were among the first to use prisons as a form of punishment rather than simply for detention. A variety of existing structures were used to house prisoners, such as metal cages, basements of public buildings, and quarries. One of the most notable Roman prisons was the Mamertine Prison, established around 640 B.C. by Ancus Marcius. The Mamertine Prison was located within a sewer system beneath ancient Rome and contained a large network of dungeons where prisoners were held in squalid conditions, contaminated with human waste. Forced labor on public works projects was also a common form of punishment. In many cases, citizens were sentenced to slavery, often in ergastula (a primitive form of prison where unruly slaves were chained to workbenches and performed hard labor)."
What happened to the daughter?
Prison is related to slavery.
From the 13th Amendment: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
"a man and woman who had shown him so much kindness"
Help people and they become entitled, resentful, envious. Any
thing but grateful.
And that period before you are truly launched on a career are so fraught with fear and doubt. Especially if you have not been diligent.
Then add cannabis ..
Not mentioned is the apparent complicity of the adopted daughter who would only testify at the trial under a grant of immunity and said that she didn’t know nuthin’. In a petition filed to prevent her from sharing in the estate, the representatives of the estate said:
…that around the same time, Miriam Carre texted Sanford a photo of Sanford pointing a handgun at the camera. A few months earlier, the petition states, Miriam Carre told Sanford in a text message, “(I) feel like (my parents) got this white (savior) act going on and like, they feel like they can’t do any wrong. and that’s why my whole life I’ve been trying to show them but nooooooooooo they don’t see (expletive) else but what they wanna see.”
Sanford texted back, “It’s cool because they gon die.”
- Krumhorn
Blogger Readering said...
What happened to the daughter?
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Probably settled the estate and is off on another life adventure.
In 2007, hundreds of prisoners serving life sentences called on the Italian president to bring back the death penalty:
"We want to die just once... we are asking for our life sentence to be changed to a death sentence." And our "futures are the same as [our] past[s], killing the present and removing every hope."
These men don't deserve an easy out for their crimes. I don't think Mr. Sanford does either. Let him rot away in prison.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6707865.stm
Blogger Readering said...
What happened to the daughter?
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Probably settled the estate and is off on another life adventure.
So, he will be released in about 10-15 years.
"I do not understand why showing remorse would be a mitigating factor in the punishment."
Faking remorse seems to be a big thing in today's world. The lack of faking remorse sticks out for that reason.
Wanna bet?
"What's astoundingly evil in this case is that he abducted and executed a man and woman who had shown him so much kindness and generosity and who were such positive contributors to the community."
And if he were a complete stranger who abducted them and killed them in the same manner, not so astoundingly evil?
Eliza Fletcher was related to the Orgills and Wellfords. You don't get more upper-crusty around here. The Wellfords in particular are prominent in the Bar, and IIRC without looking, the perp's previous crime involved a lawyer, as already mentioned.
A young friend of mine spent a few years here in private practice--criminal defense. The experience of being threatened by his own clients turned him into a gun-toter.
Foucault was the big theorist of prisons and prison ideology, of course. I don't know how his notions have held up, though.
As for the demon weed, it's far more likely that confused, angry, and violent boys will naturally smoke what their peers in their tens of millions smoke, than that weed makes boys confused, angry, and violent to the point of murder.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
"I think it's amazing that prisons are a modern phenomenon."
I don't think it's amazing. It's hard to keep people in prison. It's expensive and dangerous. You need some sort of building, and how do you ensure that people are securely held without (intentionally or unintentionally) inflicting torture?
Lynching was quicker and permanent. If Soros keeps planting his DAs around, we might have to go back to it.
Prison is related to slavery.
Correction: Prison was related to slavery. Back when the prisoners were forced to do hard labor for no pay. Today prison is criminal finishing school with color TV, fully outfitted gym, and if you decide to work, you get paid.
Daughter of Murdered Madison Parents Will Have to Fight For Inheritance
First world problems-calling evil people evil, and treating them as evil people.
Prisons are run by the inmates, not by the state. this is the logical consequence of being unable to punish evil, or even admitting that it exists.
Anyone still have faith in our legal or prison systems? I know I have none.
We now routinely let out people who are a clear danger to society, and no one holds those people or the legal system, responsible.
In fact, those of us who believe that we have a right to defend ourselves, are the ones who are on trial here.
This animal will either thrive in a gang run prison, or be murdered by his fellow inmates. Unless he is pardoned of course.
“If taking my life is what it takes to repay them, to resolve the grievances of this beautiful family and define justice" Pretty good summary of the main arguments in favor of the death penalty. Not what the judge said - preventing future murders, though that is also true.
This whole post is racist and this blog must now be canceled
You hate to see good liberals slaughtered like this.
Oh yeah that's what I hear prison is an absolute Cakewalk. The whole system caters to you. Primitive accommodations, to be sure. However plenty of wholesome activities abound in a very welcoming safe and secure holistic environment precisely designed to transform people saddled with criminal behavior so that they might become friendly productive members of society one day.
'I don't think it's amazing. It's hard to keep people in prison. It's expensive and dangerous. You need some sort of building, and how do you ensure that people are securely held without (intentionally or unintentionally) inflicting torture?'
I would much rather pay higher taxes to build more prisons than to pay for transgender, drag queen story hour in public libraries and schools.
I think it’s amazing that Wisconsin doesn’t have a death penalty.
The upside is that he’ll be in a position to reduce Wisconsins prison population.
Which brings up another question, does Wisconsin have lifetime solitary confinement?
It's edifying and instructive to note how various murderers are treated in the media. Zimmerman, Rittenhouse, Chauvin: not since the Nazi death camps have we been confronted with such hideous evil. Other murderers: Their crimes point to how flawed and antiquated our mental health and school counseling services are. We're failing America's children. The important thing is not to keep feeding this school to prison pipeline....Sometime back there was an absolutely infuriating article in the NYT. It detailed the story of Larry Miller. Larry Miller, as a teenager, killed another teenager pretty much on a whim. He served a few years, got out, and, after some further difficulties, straightened out his life. He became a successful executive at Nike. The NYT presented it as a heartwarming story of second chances and how we shouldn't presume to stereotype teen-age murderers. There's a lof of potential in these teen age killers.....Later, to its credit, the NYT published an article that detailed how Larry Miller's crime had impacted the victim's family. The mother of the murdered boy fell into a profound depression and died a few years later. Everyone in the family was haunted by the murder of the boy and the death of his mother....In my considered opinion Larry Miller was a worse person than Derek Chauvin, but that's not something I would say out loud.
Try a hypothetical. Suppose that about 20% of black males feel no guilt about harming others, and the only thing that prevents them from doing so is their rather tenuous ability to foresee the likely consequences. Suppose further that they are prone to impulsive action. Suppose we know this. What would follow?
Calling Zimmerman and Rittenhouse murderers is slanderous, William. because the criminal justice system in Wisconsin is utterly dysfunctional, it is permissible to call Derek Chauvin a murderer, although all he did was hold Floyd down while he died of a self-inflicted drug overdose.
'Oh yeah that's what I hear prison is an absolute Cakewalk. The whole system caters to you.'
Only if you're Paul Pelosi...
I think in England in past centuries they put the scaffold at a crossroads or beside a highway displaying the body of the miscreant until it fell apart. This served a threefold purpose: to punish the miscreant; to eliminate any chance of further evil from that quarter; and to deter imitators.
Might be worth a try.
There's no way that this killer will ever be released from prison. Bold talk from a lawyer sitting on the bench in a black dress. It's a nice thought, but it's not going to happen.
Latest case in point were the 10 or more knife homicides on the Cree Reservation in Canada. Done in part by a guy who'd been released from prison with 59--count 'em 59--felony convictions on his record. What's even more impressive is that the killer had racked up that count before he turned 30.
The good thing about the death penalty is that dead men don't kill again. The bad thing about the death penalty is that on rare occasions the state kills the wrong man.
Yancey Ward said...
"What's astoundingly evil in this case is that he abducted and executed a man and woman who had shown him so much kindness and generosity and who were such positive contributors to the community."
And if he were a complete stranger who abducted them and killed them in the same manner, not so astoundingly evil?
Betrayal is on a different level for me.
Nonviable male walking.
And yet they release hundreds of killers from prison in the USA THEY KNOW WILL KILL AGAIN. Woke DAs do this.
Now as for the Death penalty, I feel to qualify for that one needs the evidence to be "BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT" instead of reasonable doubt. If the jury cannot decide on the evidence showing beyond a shadow of a doubt but it is beyond a reasonable doubt, the life in prison.
Example: If the defendant was shown on surveillance tape doing the murder, DNA matched, and other evidence matched, well hey, it is beyond a shadow of a doubt they did it. They qualify for the Death Penalty.
Blogger William said...
It's edifying and instructive to note how various murderers are treated in the media. Zimmerman, Rittenhouse, Chauvin: not since the Nazi death camps have we been confronted with such hideous evil.
I hope you are not serious here. Zimmerman killed a man trying to kill him. Rittenhouse killed two men who were trying to kill him. Chauvin didn't kill anyone. He was unlucky, or dumb, enough to work for the city of Minneapolis when another drug addict died.
"There's no death penalty in Wisconsin." - Ann Althouse
There's always a death penalty available. Assuming you have men in your community willing to impose it, whether the state approves or not, upon the evil walking amongst us. Sadly, Wisconsin is bereft of real men.
Chlorinate the genepool.
Re my remarks at 1:10: yes, a gibbet is a scaffold specifically designed for public display of the criminal during and after death. See Wiki entry for “gibbet.”
So there is good historical support for the practice.
Re my remarks at 1:10: yes, a gibbet is a scaffold specifically designed for public display of the criminal during and after death. See Wiki entry for “gibbet.”
So there is good historical support for the practice.
well, isn't THAT special!
"Miriam was complicit and participated in a plan ... to rob her parents which led to the senseless killings and tragic murders," David Reinecke, the representative's attorney states.
Carre did receive immunity for her trial testimony.
So, it was ALL the adopted POC daughter's plan; to MURDER her whitey white parents, because they were WHITE! and Successful! and Miriam felt like she was shit compared to them..
SO, she found another POC, seduced him, convinced him to MURDER her whitey white white parents..
So she could become RICH!
But NOW! the stupid evil whites are trying to keep her from reaping in the rewards of her murderous plan
stupid whitey white whites!! whites are EVIL!!! ONLY Black Lives Matter!!!
Elective abortion of social, redistributive, clinical, political, or fair weather causes. He didn't get away with it.
I nominate William as the most-often misconstrued of the valuable commenters here.
Zimmerman, Rittenhouse, Chauvin: not since the Nazi death camps have we been confronted with such hideous evil.
Sarcasm, I suppose.
Spiros: I believe incarceration as a punishment is of rather recent vintage because societies got wealthy enough to afford to incacerate rather than corporal punishment, execution, or transportation.
Some people have to learn about the scorpion and the frog the hard way.
Really sad story. Looking at photos Dr. Potter looks.....interesting. Hopefully the other adopted kids find a good home
as i understand it, Miriam;s Now saying people should feel sorry for her, since she's a orphan;
After hiring a hitman to murder her white parents
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