UPDATE: From the Washington Examiner, noting that Crimo has confessed:
Police also revealed that after the shooting, Crimo had considered carrying out another attack at a celebration in Madison, Wisconsin. Crimo arrived at the event in Wisconsin but indications are that he had not put in enough thought and research to conduct the attack, Deputy Chief Christopher Covelli said. Crimo ditched his phone while in the Madison area....
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He had a real craving for cheese curds. He might be batshit insane, but he loves him some cheese curds at The Old Fashioned.
NEVER carry your cell phone, while engaging in Mass Murder!
"I don't want to get into how we know ..."
They know because we all are carrying around a police-accessible tracking device, which sends data to the telephone company and tracks our every movement. They may obtain this data without a warrant, just by asking your cell phone provider for it.
It can also track your sudden visits to the Planned Parenthood abortion provider near you, and provide police with evidence that you crossed state lines to obtain an abortion. These crimes will be felonies in certain states.
Welcome to the future, ladies.
Was he meeting with someone you don’t want us to know? I’ll make that assumption until they decide to be upfront and not omit evidence. I won’t by means and methods, because his vehicle and license plate were broadcast, and it wouldn’t be secret to say that lead to a tip.
Traffic and other cameras with license plate reading, with perhaps facial recognition capability, are hardly state secrets.
I thought of Althouse and Meade when I heard this. Glad that maybe Madison wasn't having a parade just then.
My daughter and son in law and my two little grandsons were out and about the Monona and Madison area on the 4th. To think that he was in the area with similar weapons is chilling.
Maybe he heard it was open season for decapitating and dismembering in Wisconsin.
Can't tell us...
The old 'sources and methods' dodge bullshit.
Cell phone technology isn't all that mysterious.
Besides, taxpayers fund all the spy vs spy toys you get to play with.
You're not James Bond.
Buckwheat
I am not sure I understand your comment- do you think that allowing each state to make it's own abortion decision will really mean that a citizen of State A, where her abortion would be illegal, will go to State B, where her abortion would be legal, and be arrested upon her return to State A if she has an abortion in State B?
7/6/22, 9:15 AM
"Traffic and other cameras with license plate reading, with perhaps facial recognition capability, are hardly state secrets."
$20 says his iPass also was passing along his location every time he scanned through tolls.
Probably went there for one last pep talk.
Trying to establish an alibi is the simplest explanation.
There are at least 5 ways they could know he was in Wisconsin.
He was probably hoping to get a ticker tape parade in his honor. That makes sense. Or maybe he thought he would get a tenured Professor gig like the 1970s weathermen did in honor of attacking Americans.
sorry cell phone tracking has been debunked
silly fools
its only reliable in some cases.......
whats a woman?
sorry cell phone tracking has been debunked
silly fools
its only reliable in some cases.......
whats a woman?
$20 says his iPass also was passing along his location every time he scanned through tolls.
Yeah, I thought this then researched before I posted to find that Wisconsin doesn’t have toll roads. You could use such data to suggest he was driving to Wisconsin, but not to Madison. I hope you are good for the $20.
Oh, on previous post, “I wont’t buy means and methods”. I lost a u. Otherwise I agree that iPass and license plate readers and Mk. I eyeballs could be tips easily suggested, but they were not. So I continue to go with my assumption that the government doesn’t want us to know who the shooter met in Madison. If such a person was imminently dangerous to the public, then we would have been told to look out for them. We are not told to BOLO, so that suggests either a very innocent person being protected from persecution or more likely a political person.
That's awful, Inga. Glad all is well.
'There are at least 5 ways they could know he was in Wisconsin.'
And the fact that he had an entire website devoted to Kringles, brandy old-fashioneds, and cheese.
QED...
He was probably looking for a sympathetic place to settle after killing those Jews in Highland Park. I assume you know that he was asked to leave a synagogue several weeks ago. The rabbi had an armed guard so he probably figured Madison WI was safer.
Considering his tats on neck, face, arms, his 5 ft 11 inch 120 lb frame, his domineer, etc... and his car, he was not hard to REMEMBER! And I bet toll road photos and things like that track you (as well as his cell phone.)
As it was he passed tons of checks and everyone ignored his red flags... kind of like they wanted him to KILL!
You can pass a zillion laws but if you don't ENFORCE them... worthless.
And from what I hear he got 5-6 guns... no ARs I suspect since they are banned in Cook County & Chicago.
But all you need is a few regular rifles/shotguns and extra 5-10 shot mags. And of course he could have ran them over in his car (it WAS a parade you know!)
"I am not sure I understand your comment- do you think that allowing each state to make it's own abortion decision will really mean that a citizen of State A, where her abortion would be illegal, will go to State B, where her abortion would be legal, and be arrested upon her return to State A if she has an abortion in State B?
Without a doubt.
You cannot evade laws simply by driving across state lines. Have you not heard of the Commerce Clause?
It is already illegal to cross state lines for the purpose of, say, evading your state's gun laws. It is illegal, for example, for a pimp to carry his hooker across state lines for the purposes of evading prostitution laws. It is illegal to cross state lines into a state where currently weed is legal to purchase, to cite another example.
And once the arrests and prosecutions and very long felony jail sentences of women who obtain abortions begins, the left will suddenly discover that the tech companies they've been championing in the effort to squelch free speech in the United States maybe shouldn't be gathering all this data on us in the first place.
What did the shooter see in Wisconsin that made him go back home?
If we ever find out we can put that in or near schools, parades and Vegas hotels.
Another Known Wolf.
He apparently had threatened suicide. If only he and so many others had been encouraged to go for it.
@Buckwheat "provide police with evidence that you crossed state lines to obtain an abortion. These crimes will be felonies in certain states." I have heard this kind of suggestion, but isn't it obviously unconstitutional? 9-0, Clarence Thomas authoring, level of obvious?
How did they know it was him to begin with? And why did he return?
The murderer has apparently confessed. He was on his way to Madison to kill more people.
I bet that we'll find that he knew someone in Madison and then found out, pretty quickly, that person wanted nothing to do with him after what he did.
Needed a Faraday envelope for his phone - of course he probably took Dad's car and it had GPS tracking so there is that as well
DETROIT — Daniel Dunn was about to sign a lease for a Honda Fit last year when a detail buried in the lengthy agreement caught his eye.
Honda wanted to track the location of his vehicle, the contract stated, according to Dunn — a stipulation that struck the 69-year-old Temecula, Calif., retiree as a bit odd. But Dunn was eager to drive away in his new car and, despite initial hesitation, he signed the document, a decision with which he has since made peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2018/01/15/big-brother-on-wheels-why-your-car-company-may-know-more-about-you-than-your-spouse/
Buckwheat- I do not believe you are correct. I can go to another state and buy pot and consume it there. My state does not allow alcohol to be purchased outside of specific state owned stores. I can go to another state and buy alcohol anywhere. That's not illegal.
I just can't bring it back to my state, which is not relevant to your analogy.
I think it's pretty clear what will happen with abortion. The left's concern is that at the end of day most people will be able to live with this and most women will go on with their lives. It removes one more useful wedge than they haves they can divide and conquer.
"He apparently had threatened suicide. If only he and so many others had been encouraged to go for it."
Authorities should have taken one look at this guy and handed him Kevorkian's manual.
Buckwheathikes,
Those instances aren't relevant to the discussion at hand- you are talking about federal law enforcement. I grew up in a dry county in Kentucky, and it was perfectly legal to drive to Williamson, West Virginia to drink alcohol. What was illegal was bringing it back to the county I lived in, and even that probably wasn't illegal, I just don't remember- what was really illegal was bringing it back and trying to sell it in the country, as my uncle and aunt routinely got arrested for.
It is doubtful that any prosecution of abortions performed in, let's say New Mexico, will be prosecuted successfully in Texas by Texas prosecutors, even if the woman is a resident of Texas. It isn't like any other crimes are prosecuted this way outside of federal courts- jurisdiction matters when it comes to where the crime was committed when it is applied to state laws.
He went to Madison to create more bloody carnage on innocent people. For whatever reason he changed his mind. My daughter and her family and many of her friends and neighbors may not be here today if not for blind dumb luck or for the grace of God. I wish that the families in Highland Park had a similar outcome as Madison.
Lem said...
“What did the shooter see in Wisconsin that made him go back home?
If we ever find out we can put that in or near schools, parades and Vegas hotels.
https://i2.wp.com/www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Welcome-to-Wisconsin.jpeg
Yeah he’s nuts but he’s not that nuts.
He came; he saw; he turned right around and went back home.
Meade (1:19pm):
Are you saying that even a cross-dressing face-tatted psycho killer asshole finds Madison a bit much to deal with?
"How did they know it was him to begin with? And why did he return?"
He left his cell phone at a business in Middleton (auto shop) apparently to try to throw off the cops.
Story says he saw a local celebration and considered shooting (had 60 rounds on him) but due to lack of research into the area decided against it.
Hope they have that admission locked down, because it would seem to question any insanity plea he will try for.
Meade channels Hillary.
Authorities should have taken one look at this guy and handed him Kevorkian's manual.
Self-abort to relieve a "burden" by Dr. Kevorkian
Equitable and inclusive human rites by Dr. Gosnell
Clinical cannibalism in liberal societies by #CecileTheCannibal
Murder 101 in safe sanctuaries by the national socialists, communists, fascists, and Progressive Cults
once the arrests and prosecutions and very long felony jail sentences of women who obtain abortions begins
You're going to have a very long wait for that to happen. I don't know how many millions of times it needs to be said, but the pro-life movement has NEVER supported or called for the criminalization or prosecution of women who seek or have had abortions. In fact, a large percentage of people in the pro-life movement have had abortions, and not a few of them have performed abortions.
$20 says his iPass also was passing along his location every time he scanned through tolls.
Yeah, I thought this then researched before I posted to find that Wisconsin doesn’t have toll roads. You could use such data to suggest he was driving to Wisconsin, but not to Madison. I hope you are good for the $20.
In addition to toll transponders, anytime he used a credit/debit card to buy gas, food, etc., the authorities would have known the location immediately.
"My daughter and her family and many of her friends and neighbors may not be here today if not for blind dumb luck or for the grace of God. "
Even had he done a shooting in the Madison area, the chance that anyone you know would have been involved is infinitesimal. Especially if they hate America as much as you do and therefore would not deign to go to a crass celebration of this great country.
"My daughter and her family and many of her friends and neighbors may not be here today if not for blind dumb luck or for the grace of God. "
Even had he done a shooting in the Madison area, the chance that anyone you know would have been involved is infinitesimal. Especially if they hate America as much as you do and therefore would not deign to go to a crass celebration of this great country.
He buried the phone at a gas station at University Avenue and Lakeview in Middleton. Just about half-way between my apartment and that of my now-wife (it was 1986). The parents made a lot of bad choices along the way, and the whole family was on police radar for years. Red Flag laws are subject to political influence or neglect, and we see their non-efficacy.
do you think that allowing each state to make it's own abortion decision will really mean that a citizen of State A, where her abortion would be illegal, will go to State B, where her abortion would be legal, and be arrested upon her return to State A if she has an abortion in State B?
Yeah, just like Mittens would have,
"Put y'all back in chains" per Joe Biden.
No Boogeyman too outrageous for the left to claim is under your bed.
He heard Althouse has become a gunslinger.
gilbar said...
NEVER carry your cell phone, while engaging in Mass Murder!
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But..but...Uber Eats!
None of the states that have abortion ban trigger laws call for the prosecution of women getting abortions. What's banned is abortion providers conducting abortions. Why make up false suppositions like this?
Inga said...
My daughter and son in law and my two little grandsons were out and about the Monona and Madison area on the 4th. To think that he was in the area with similar weapons is chilling.
Unless they're living in the countryside miles away from any neighbor- they're in an area with similar weapons right now. And if they're in the country with neighbor's a ½ mile apart, probably within ½ mile of one.
Firearms are indeed dangerous. As are hammers, knives, swords, and 5 gallon gasoline containers. Except for the last, found in most homes with lawnmowers and other small engines, none of them ever cause harm to people without human aid.
Crimo is a good argument in favor of abortion, suicide, and capital punishment--the trifecta of the dangerously defective humanoid.
Inga said...
My daughter and son in law and my two little grandsons were out and about the Monona and Madison area on the 4th. To think that he was in the area with similar weapons is chilling.
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“Unless they're living in the countryside miles away from any neighbor- they're in an area with similar weapons right now. And if they're in the country with neighbor's a ½ mile apart, probably within ½ mile of one.”
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If the people who live near them in their small suburb of Madison own such weapons, I would hope they don’t own the same sort of brain and thoughts that Crimo has. I sure hope you aren’t trying to suggest that all people who own such weapons are bloodthirsty killers. However, such a weapon in the hands of a bloodthirsty killer should chill most people to the bone.
I looked it up : almost 3 hour one-way trip Chicago to Madison with or without guns in car
what is the start time for the parades?
how long did the man-hunt go on?
was this shooter on radar of some law agency?
None of the states that have abortion ban trigger laws call for the prosecution of women getting abortions.
Exactly, human rights is not about retributive change. It is a restriction placed on government agents and licensees to carry out murder (i.e. elective abortion in privacy, in darkness, at the twilight fringe). Human rights is about discouraging the performance of human rites for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes. It is a rejection of the nominally secular Pro-Choice ethical religion that denies women and men's dignity and agency, and progresses human life as negotiable commodities. That said, women have four choices: sex or abstention, contraception in depth, adoption (i.e. shared/shifted responsibility), compassion (i.e. shared/personal responsibility), and an equal right to self-defense through reconciliation. The wicked solution is neither a good nor exclusive choice. Baby steps.
Next time you are driving down the interstate pretty much anywhere in the us look for freestanding poles with solar collectors, a box and usually a white ball hanging out over the road.
These collect the unique MAC address of every Bluetooth device that passes. Phon, car, watch, headphone etc. If it has a blootooth it will be pinged and logged.
The highway dept collects it for traffic flow.
They tend to be visible on the interstate. More concealed in more built-up areas.
No warrant required to ask "show us all pings for device xxxxx for the past 30 days.
Like license plate cameras but will also tell you what devices were in the car.
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/OPR_Research/MD-12-SP909B4D-Bluetooth-Traffic-Detectors_Report.pdf
https://www.mhctraffic.com/bluetooth-tracking
https://www.govtech.com/transportation/roadside-bluetooth-wi-fi-systems.html
Even ignoring general parental resposibility, the father here seems to have enabled this obviously sick POS by, first, vouching for him to purchase firearms and then lying to the police about the ownership of the weapons seized by the police. Not clear why anyone would ever frequent papa's place of business.
--gpm
Inga,
They were more likely exposed to Car Violence!.
(And the jabs their Gramma advocated for)
Yancey Ward said...
I grew up in a dry county in Kentucky, and it was perfectly legal to drive to Williamson, West Virginia to drink alcohol. What was illegal was bringing it back to the county I lived in, and even that probably wasn't illegal, I just don't remember- what was really illegal was bringing it back and trying to sell it in the country, as my uncle and aunt routinely got arrested for.
So the McCoy clan routinely crossed the Tug Fork from Pike County to get some good Hillbilly Moonshine from the Williamson Hatfields and were "arrested" in order to complete the sale of finestkind homemade corn liquor to Pike County Sheriff McCoy.
Inga said...
Inga said...
My daughter and son in law and my two little grandsons were out and about the Monona and Madison area on the 4th. To think that he was in the area with similar weapons is chilling.
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“Unless they're living in the countryside miles away from any neighbor- they're in an area with similar weapons right now. And if they're in the country with neighbor's a ½ mile apart, probably within ½ mile of one.”
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If the people who live near them in their small suburb of Madison own such weapons, I would hope they don’t own the same sort of brain and thoughts that Crimo has. I sure hope you aren’t trying to suggest that all people who own such weapons are bloodthirsty killers. However, such a weapon in the hands of a bloodthirsty killer should chill most people to the bone.
No, inga, you were one who implied that all people who own such weapons were bloodthirsty killers.
Inga almost stumbles over the gun control objection:
If the people who live near them in their small suburb of Madison own such weapons, I would hope they don’t own the same sort of brain and thoughts that Crimo has. I sure hope you aren’t trying to suggest that all people who own such weapons are bloodthirsty killers. However, such a weapon in the hands of a bloodthirsty killer should chill most people to the bone.
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The point being that it is not the firearm that is the actual issue, it is the "bloodthirsty killer" that is the issue. As has been shown both in the US and other countries, if the person wants to do harm they will find a way to do it regardless of what's available versus illegal.
“No, inga, you were one who implied that all people who own such weapons were bloodthirsty killers.”
Nope, that is what you wanted me to mean. You were in such a hurry to make a statement about weapons, you missed the fact that my comment was about the shooter himself. The weapon he used was secondary.
Interesting how some people have moved on from morals, ethics and the cult of Trump to a more generic 'bloodthirsty killer' when the narrative blew up in their faces.
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