June 18, 2022

"If the government sponsored a euthanasia program for people 75 and over, would you consent to it?"

"'Most people were very positive about it,' [Chie] Hayakawa said. 'They didn’t want to be a burden on other people or their children.'... In her first feature-length film... the government of a near-future Japan promotes quiet institutionalized deaths and group burials for lonely older people, with cheerful salespeople pitching them on the idea as if hawking travel insurance. 'The mind-set is that if the government tells you to do something, you must do it,' Ms. Hayakawa, 45, said in an interview in Tokyo before the film’s opening in Japan on Friday. Following the rules and not imposing on others, she said, are cultural imperatives 'that make sure you don’t stick out in a group setting.' With a lyrical, understated touch, Ms. Hayakawa has taken on one of the biggest elephants in the room in Japan: the challenges of dealing with the world’s oldest society."

From "A Filmmaker Imagines a Japan Where the Elderly Volunteer to Die/The premise for Chie Hayakawa’s film, 'Plan 75,' is shocking: a government push to euthanize the elderly. In a rapidly aging society, some also wonder: Is the movie prescient?" (NYT).

90 comments:

Wilbur said...

Ms. Hayakawa, let's lower it to age 45.

Now, you go first.

Big Mike said...

How old is Meade? Are you trying to get rid of him?

Humperdink said...

Obamacare architect Zeke Emanuel:

"Emanuel wrote that he would refuse all medical interventions—even antibiotics, and vaccinations—after he turned 75 years old, saying he believes older Americans live too long in a deteriorating state."

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2019/08/26/ezekiel-emmanuel

Zeke, born in 1957, is inching closer to the finish line.

R C Belaire said...

No thank you. I hope to wring every last cent out of the system...

Brylinski said...

In Logan's Run (1976) the age was 30...

jaydub said...

I would consent if I could pick the politicians to participate.

Humperdink said...

I checked into the Empire State Senior Games yesterday morning. At registration, the lady asked pickleball or shuffleboard? I laughed. But that's it, isn't it? At 75, some people are shuffling off*, others are extremely active. Age is merely a number.

*President You Know Who

gspencer said...

To the film-maker, "You first."

wendybar said...

And we all know that THAT wouldn't be taken advantage of. People will be offing their elders to get their hands on the money that will be left... It will be abused just like the safe, legal "RARE" abortions used to be.

BUMBLE BEE said...

It has been tried in New York and Michigan already. We have a couple of Governors with experience, ready to go.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Maybe this is why we don’t see any aliens 👽 around.

A feature of civilization zenith is a diminished desire for living.

Successful aliens abort and euthanize themselves extinct.

Might explain school shootings.

Leland said...

Why is it that progressives always are pushing the idea of laws to kill burdensome people unless that burdensome person commits murder?

tim maguire said...

Aging is inevitable. Decrepitude is a choice. Euthanasia as a societal alternative to caring for the elderly is treating the symptom instead of the disease. It’s an easy fix we support because if we imagine it happening to us, it’s in some vague distant future. Who cares if middle-aged people listening to a sales pitch are positive about it? What about when their in the chair and a doctor comes in with a syringe full of poison?

rhhardin said...

Old people aren't progressive enough so it's good to get rid of them.

Roger Sweeny said...

In the United States today, half the people who die are at some stage of dementia. If you are young and have not experienced it (in yourself or someone close to you), you are lucky. At first, you forget things and find it hard to make new memories. Then you lose chunks of your past experience, then skills and abilities. Far enough along, you won't even be conscious. Your heart beats and your cells metabolize but you have lost most of what made you you.

If I could stop my heart at the right point in that progression, I would do it.

Roger Sweeny said...

@tim maguire - Aging is inevitable. For many, decrepitude of various sorts (including dementia) is also inevitable. That doesn't make it good. For those people, it very much is the disease.

William said...

Next year I will be eighty. I can see the pros and cons to this. Right now more cons than pros, but, honestly, I'd like to have something like this as a Plan B.....Achilles said that since no one lives forever, he'd prefer a brief life of glory to just plodding along.....Along those lines, I would prefer a quick, painless death as opposed to a slow fade out in hospice or custodial care.

Michael said...

Every person who survived a jump from the Golden Gate Bridge said they regretted it the second their hands let go. So there is that.

CWJ said...

Some years ago, on an Obamacare thread, Farmer mocked me for believing that my wife and I would eventually be killed, rather than die. If anything, I am more convinced in that belief today.

ga6 said...

After you Ace. (from a 79 year old)

Temujin said...

I watched the trailer for the film, "Plan 75". It looks tremendous to me and deals directly with a very important question for some of our societies- both Western and Asian. As these societies become increasingly older, skewed to the aged as fewer young people are having enough children to replace the dying, who is going to pay for, watch over, and care for the aging?

I'm not for offing myself any time soon. But the idea that you could, if you wanted to, after a certain age? Let's say you are very ill. You hurt. You are in pain all day and night. There is no relief. You have little if any family left. No friends left. Your days are miserable. Would you look for an acceptable out?

I guess this story is more about healthy 75+ year olds who do what's best for society. Or are incentivized to do what's 'best' for society- according to those who make societal rules. How do those seniors go about making the decision? What do they feel, see, think? What about their interactions with those close to them? It's an interesting concept and I look forward to seeing the film.

John henry said...

Welcome to the monkey house.

Me, I plan to be a foxy grandpa

John LGBTQ Henry

stlcdr said...

Soylent Green.

Solves a lot of leftists problems. Funny how that works out.

Achilles said...

These people are going to try to implement their solutions for us at some point if they are not stopped.

They will be stopped.

Charles said...

So we are getting close to a Logan Run situation?

Ampersand said...

Lionel Shriver has a wonderful novel on this subject. Should we stay or should we go.

William50 said...

Roger Sweeny said...

In the United States today, half the people who die are at some stage of dementia.

That's an interesting statistic. Could you direct me to the source? I'd like to look at the data.

Carol said...

It's so easy to be philosophical about death when it's way off in the future. When it's at your doorstep, one is not so cavalier.

But the way things are going in health care it would be best to avoid the nursing home.

What to do? That is the question.

Rusty said...

Life is absurd. I plan to wring as much entertainment out of the time I have left as I can. And by entertainment I mean pissing off people that annoy me.

Mind your own business said...

As a 66 yo whose 98 yo parent just passed away recently, I can honestly say that I sort of agree with William in principle.

The twist I would add is that if one chooses the euthanasia option, is that in exchange for removing your burden from society, you should be able to pick a public figure that has to be taken out at the same time (willingly or unwillingly). If you are going to give up your life, make it count. Take out the trash at the same time.

gilbar said...

Serious Question:
WHEN (not IF, but WHEN) this program is enacted in the USA, Those over 75 will STILL be able to vote (democrat).. Right?
i mean.. RIGHT?

tim maguire said...

Roger Sweeny said...
@tim maguire - Aging is inevitable. For many, decrepitude of various sorts (including dementia) is also inevitable. That doesn't make it good. For those people, it very much is the disease.


For some decrepitude is inevitable. Pretending that what is true for most isn’t true because there are some exceptions is how we got to woke and fights over pronouns.

PB said...

Only a short walk to requiring it.

cassandra lite said...

When Rod Serling was trying to sell Twilight Zone as a series, his first pilot script was pretty much this premise. Title of the script: "The Happy Place."

This being the late '50s, CBS said, "Show us something else."

Iman said...

This “some” are always going on about something.

Whiskeybum said...

If there were to be a referendum for a law allowing euthanasia starting at 75 years of age, then I would say that only people 75 and older should be allowed to vote on it, since only those people can know directly what it's like to face that decision.

Sebastian said...

Sweeny: "At first, you forget things and find it hard to make new memories . . . If I could stop my heart at the right point in that progression, I would do it."

What is the right point to decide the right point? The probably gray zone of mental atrophy requires a form of pre-commitment.

Don't the Dutch already have a legal version of it, without the age requirement?

Paul said...

I am sure the 'government' will also institute a Soylent Green day (food shortages.)

Honest truth is government does not want you to use social security... it cost them $$. See how old Pelosi and Schumer and Biden are? You think they are gonna off themselves?? Nah. They want YOU to do it so they can keep in power.

But right now folks.. feel free to find a nearby cliff and JUMP. No need for government to interfere. The cliff is free.

MadTownGuy said...

Sarah Palin wasn't wrong.

But imagine the hue and cry if HMOs were doing this with the tacit approval of government. "Death-for-profit!"

MadTownGuy said...

Also - yet another way to dispose of excess population.

Bruce Hayden said...

Yes, for Democrats, killing off the oldsters is a feature, and not a bug, as long as they can prevent Republicans from cleaning up the voter rolls.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Suicide is Painless, It's Just a Shot Away. Chartbustin' music!

JAORE said...

If mandatory we've implemented term limits.

Think on the number of our leaders that would vanish.

At least we'd have AOC for a few decades...... yikes!

Lurker21 said...

Shuttle buses to Aokigahara, the suicide forest?

JK Brown said...

'The mind-set is that if the government tells you to do something, you must do it,'

As an American, my view is if the government tells me to do something, it should be taken with great suspicion. And if it is for me to die, then likely I will, but while ensuring as many in the government and their supporters die before they get me. When they come to take my gun, they should wear thick gloves as the barrel will be very hot. Yes, I will die, but then that was their plan anyway. (full disclosure, I just cracked 6 decades)

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having a non-electronic set up that I could push just before I become incapable. Avoiding being the living dead is my goal. I would like the same consideration given to my elderly cat with cancer facing a long slow starvation due to a growth, I let her go.

Humperdink said...

Send them all to the decommissioned leper colony in Hawaii and let them fetch for themselves.

As for me, a 71 year old geezer, I'll opt for small log cabin, a good dog and a decent internet connection.

WK said...

Consent will be required at first. Probably not after the program has been implemented a while.
Or. It will not be mandatory but if you are over 75 you won’t be allowed in grocery stores. Kinda like a non-mandatory vaccine.

n.n said...

Ah, the Obama-coined "burden", and delegated service. That said, the progressive path and grade from planned parenthood to planned parent/hood, a wicked solution with diverse precedents.

mikee said...

JK Brown: Please wait until you're just short of incapable. Enjoy the time you have left. We'll all be a long time mouldering in our graves. There is no rush to get there.

Bender said...

I'm not for offing myself any time soon. But the idea that you could, if you wanted to, after a certain age? Let's say you are very ill. You hurt. You are in pain all day and night. There is no relief. You have little if any family left. No friends left. Your days are miserable. Would you look for an acceptable out?

We already have that. Society has ALWAYS had it.

You don't need a government-sanctioned program to do it. You don't need the approval of the law. You don't need the approval of society. You just kill yourself. Over 40,000 people manage do it in this country each year without government or societal assistance.

You want evil? Fine. Do it on your own time. Do it yourself. By yourself. A gun, a razor, a bag over the head, a bottle of pills, a rope around the neck...whatever. Don't involve society. Don't make society complicit in your evil by saying that it is OK.

Bender said...

"I let her go"

Euphemism for you had her killed.

Josephbleau said...

This is a concept of many cultures, the tribe sent Chief Grandpa to live on the mountain top. In a 1920’s novel Star of the Unborn, Germans went to the Wintergarten. It’s an optimal solution for everyone except the individual involved. I plan to read all the books I have not had time for and have the government pay every cent they made me pay them for healthcare until the bitter end. There are many 100 year olds still having fun out there, why give up 25 happy years?

Michael K said...

I finally retired for the last time at 80. That was 5 years ago. You kids can argue this all you want. Meantime I still have books I haven't read.

rcocean said...

75 seems a little low. What about 80?

Roger Sweeny said...

@ tim maguire - I agree decrepitude isn't inevitable, though decline is. If you think decline is not, you are under 70 :) Decrepitude is, alas, remarkably common.

Sebastian points out the practical difficulty of killing yourself before things get too bad. How do you decide when that point is?

@ william50 - I couldn't find a specific cite for my statement that half of Americans die with some sort of dementia. The closest I could come up with was from wikipedia: "About 3% of people between the ages of 65–74 have dementia, 19% between 75 and 84, and nearly half of those over 85 years of age."

Kate said...

You just killed Miyazaki.

mikee said...

It isn't a slippery slope, it is a goddamn cliff dive into government mandated genocide to allow this.

Susan in Seattle said...

One of the dearest people I know will turn 99 at the end of this month. While a little unsteady on her feet, she's still sharp as a tack. To imagine these past 24 years without her is heartbreaking.

Blair said...

What is it with Japanese people and suicide? It's a very unhealthy aspect of their otherwise distinguished culture.

Michael K said...

Ezekial Emmanuel wanted to make it mandatory at 75. He's still got 11 years to go so we will see if he changes his mind.

Caligula said...

"Consent will be required at first. Probably not after the program has been implemented a while."

It'll start as a rewards program: a package that includes a nice vacation, money for a send-off party, maybe free money for your children (or the charity/cause of your choice if you have none or don't much care for the ones you have).

Then a heavy-duty meme to paint anyone who refuses as intolerably selfish. Along with withdrawal of Medicare (other than free morphine and Ativan), and revocation of any other subsidy or privilege you otherwise might have been entitled to.

If a few hard nudges suffice, why resort to coercion?

YoungHegelian said...

Voluntarily offing yourself after you have grown old & non-productive is not a new concept in Japanese society. An example of this is from the movie The Ballad of Narayama, in which the climactic scene involves a son taking his elderly mother up the mountain to die of exposure. He regrets the choice coming down the mountain, but rushes back to find that his mother has accepted her fate & he leaves her to die.

Fred Drinkwater said...

Middle-aged folks don't need to worry. This new tax, oops, program, will only affect the oldest 0.1% of the citizenry. Pinkie-promise.

Fred Drinkwater said...

I'm currently hosting my 96 year old mother in law. She has been the backbone of our families for many decades, not least the last few. So FOAD.

Fred Drinkwater said...

I'm currently hosting my 96 year old mother in law. She has been the backbone of our families for many decades, not least the last few. So FOAD.

Narr said...

We'll have the elder care we can afford--which will be not so much, within this decade certainly and possibly in just a few years. Hell, I worry about extended power outages this summer--tell me why I shouldn't. Imagine that all over NA and Europe--heat-related deaths, especially among the old, will sky-rocket.

Very few of us middleclass smurfs will enjoy the sort of care that the elderly women I helped to survive got, if we even make it past the next few years.



Narr said...

We'll have the elder care we can afford--which will be not so much, within this decade certainly and possibly in just a few years. Hell, I worry about extended power outages this summer--tell me why I shouldn't. Imagine that all over NA and Europe--heat-related deaths, especially among the old, will sky-rocket.

Very few of us middleclass smurfs will enjoy the sort of care that the elderly women I helped to survive got, if we even make it past the next few years.

Marc in Eugene said...

Here in Oregon, we've already got, let me think of the 'correct' term... 'physician-assisted suicide'. I don't pay much attention but, looking about, of the 383 people who requested the suicide drugs in 2021, 283 actually consumed them. The pdf of the annual report is easily found online.

I will admit that I was surprised (since I tend to doom-and-gloom re the return of pagan barbarities in this society's decadence etc etc sed quod redemptor meus vivat scio etc) that such a relatively small number of people have elected this legal suicide option (look to the statistics in the Low Countries). But it is slowly growing. And the Legislature in its great wisdom in the last year has allowed non-residents recourse to the PAS regime (when this goes into effect and the details, I don't know).

At 65ish, I have every confidence that my 'advance directive' instructions will ensure that in the event of X Y and Z the only things the hospital people are going to do for me is to keep me hydrated and not starve me; I'll die soon enough in those circumstances... so long as the State doesn't consign me to an early grave.

Michael K said...

Blogger Susan in Seattle said...

One of the dearest people I know will turn 99 at the end of this month. While a little unsteady on her feet, she's still sharp as a tack. To imagine these past 24 years without her is heartbreaking.


My mother lived to 103. My kids used to travel to Chicago to spend a week with her. She was born in 1898 and died in 2001 so she lived in three centuries. Alert until her death and a wonderful source of stories. I took her to see "Titanic: when it came out. She was 14 when it sank.

cubanbob said...

The Japanese should consider importing Filipina's to take care of their aged. Some sort of guest worker visa for a certain number of years and then they go home. A win-win. The Japanese get care for the aged and the Filipina's get to save money for their retirement back home. For the Filipina's it would probably be better than working in Saudi Arabia or any Gulf State.

Ann Althouse said...

@Michael K

No, he did not. He wrote that he personally wished to die at 75 and:

“ Let me be clear about my wish. I’m neither asking for more time than is likely nor foreshortening my life. Today I am, as far as my physician and I know, very healthy, with no chronic illness. I just climbed Kilimanjaro with two of my nephews. So I am not talking about bargaining with God to live to 75 because I have a terminal illness. Nor am I talking about waking up one morning 18 years from now and ending my life through euthanasia or suicide. Since the 1990s, I have actively opposed legalizing euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide. People who want to die in one of these ways tend to suffer not from unremitting pain but from depression, hopelessness, and fear of losing their dignity and control. The people they leave behind inevitably feel they have somehow failed. The answer to these symptoms is not ending a life but getting help. I have long argued that we should focus on giving all terminally ill people a good, compassionate death—not euthanasia or assisted suicide for a tiny minority.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Mark Steyn has a spot on his website for "Tales For Our Time," read by himself. The last one was an almost unknown novel by Thackeray -- his one venture into sci-fi -- called The Fixed Period. It concerned a small island Commonwealth nation in the southern seas. The idea was for everyone to be put to death at (IIRC) 72.5 years (a straight compromise between 70 and 75), and one year prior to that date to go into seclusion in a sort of halfway house, the Necropolis. The politician responsible for this law, who narrates the book, is ultimately arrested and removed bodily from the island by the Brits, who take their Commonwealth leadership pretty seriously.

A theme the book has in common with most of its sort is that the person with the idea is moved by how darned expensive old people are. They aren't "putting out"; they're sucking away the energy and work and time of much younger and more vibrant people. The age varies, and a few of the associated circumstances, that's all. (In Asimov's Pebble In the Sky, it's sixty.)

JK Brown,

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having a non-electronic set up that I could push just before I become incapable.

But the point is that you can never know when "just before" is, nyet? Ronald Dworkin addressed this in Life's Dominion some decades back, and concluded that the only way around it was for each person to cede responsibility to some conservator while still of sound mind; the demented "you" might fight furiously for life, but the "real" you wanted it done, so . . . the younger "you" gets dibs.

Chesterton has a short novel called Manalive where the protagonist confronts a professor who teaches that all life is unendurable, that it is kinder to kill a puppy than let it live, even if the puppy should affect to disagree. The prof. changes his mind when the protagonist takes out a gun and starts firing it off. (He's an expert marksman, which explains why he empties his revolver at short range w/o anyone getting shot.)

Paul Zrimsek said...

They need more youth in Asia.

Bender said...

"Ich klage an" ("I Accuse" - Germany 1941)

A beautiful young wife suffering from multiple sclerosis pleads with doctors for a swift release. Her husband, a successful doctor himself, gives her a fatal overdose and is put on trial, where he argues that prolonging life is sometimes contrary to nature, and that death is a right as well as a service. It culminates in the husband accusing them of cruelty for trying to prevent such deaths.

Bender said...

A theme the book has in common with most of its sort is that the person with the idea is moved by how darned expensive old people are. They aren't "putting out"; they're sucking away the energy and work and time of much younger and more vibrant people.

Also known as useless eaters. Lebensunwertes Leben.

Michael K said...

The answer to these symptoms is not ending a life but getting help. I have long argued that we should focus on giving all terminally ill people a good, compassionate death—not euthanasia or assisted suicide for a tiny minority.”

Not what he said earlier. Maybe the years are winding down.

Paul said...

Hey... you don't need suicide.. just COVID-19, old folks homes, and Bill de Blasio!

He will take care of it!

Bender said...

"I Accuse" is today called a Nazi propaganda film.

And it was. Made by the regime.

But the sentiments it expressed have also long been espoused by "progressive" elements in the U.S. culture.

In fact, more than a little of Germany's New Biology of the 1920s-40s was adopted from American intellectuals.

Ann Althouse said...

Earlier, where? I linked to a 2014 article. If you think he said something else, you should link. He asserts in the one I link to that he’s been consistent.

The Godfather said...

I'm 79, and in reasonably good health -- thanks in part to a pacemaker and a lot of meds. I've lived longer than either of my parents, my younger brother, and two of my grandparents. I retired from the practice of law 6 years ago, but I still find interesting and productive volunteer jobs to do. I wouldn't voluntarily leave my wife behind. I have three grandchildren that I want to watch continue to grow into adulthood. I have several friends around my age that I meet with from time to time and talk about stuff and we don't feel "old".
If anyone decides to impose MANDATORY euthanasia on me, they better come armed.
Unless you find that I vote Democrat in 2022 or 2024, which would clearly evidence that my mind has turned to mush. As long as I vote conservative, I plan to stay alive.

CrankyProfessor said...

P.D.James, Children of Men. Published in 1992, set in 2021. Everyone remembers the mass infertility side of the plot, but there's also the mass euthanasia (voluntary, strictly voluntary, the government says). Good book.

Mark said...

Everyone remembers the mass infertility side of the plot, but there's also the mass euthanasia (voluntary, strictly voluntary, the government says).

A little bit different circumstance in today's real world. In Children of Men, there was worldwide despair and utter hopelessness. There was NO future to humanity whatsoever. The human species was about to become extinct. The prospect of no kids - no kids ever - did not free humanity and folks did not celebrate the lifting of that horrible burden of children. Instead, they all found their lives suddenly devoid of meaningfulness. "What's the point?" they all thought. Humanity was already dead people walking. Hence the government option of an early out.

Michael K said...

OK, Ann, Here is one.

I am talking about how long I want to live and the kind and amount of health care I will consent to after 75. Americans seem to be obsessed with exercising, doing mental puzzles, consuming various juice and protein concoctions, sticking to strict diets, and popping vitamins and supplements, all in a valiant effort to cheat death and prolong life as long as possible. This has become so pervasive that it now defines a cultural type: what I call the American immortal.

OK. He disapproves of living past 75. Strongly.

Bilwick said...

I would be amenable to euthanizing "liberals" and other statists at age 50. It would, at least, be entertaining to hear their arguments against it. "Hey, I have a right to life!" Guess again, Pedro! Your rights are what the State says they are--correctomundo?

Narayanan said...

May I recommend Cryoburn Auditor Lord Miles Vorkosigan investigates

Narayanan said...

Hey... you don't need suicide.. just COVID-19, old folks homes, and Bill de Blasio!

He will take care of it!
==========
a shout out to ladies >>>> Governor Whitmer

Narayanan said...

has the writer had a heart to heart with Occupant in The White House?

did DNC put him up to this?

Narayanan said...

An interesting "advertisement" for Cryoburn can be found here.

Lois interviews Miles

[Back to the Lois McMaster Bujold shopping page]

After a seven year hiatus, hear what Barrayaran Imperial Auditor Lord Miles Naismith Vorkosigan has to say about his return in an interview with his creator Lois McMaster Bujold:

(Miles dreams . . .)

LMB: Miles?

Miles: . . .

LMB: Miles . . .?

Miles (rolling over and snorting): Eh . . .?

LMB: Miles!

Miles (sleepily): Who's there?

LMB: This is your creator, Miles.

Miles (coming alert): Oh! Uh . . . hello, Goddess . . .?

LMB: A proper attitude, at least.

Miles: So, ah . . . what are you doing here?

LMB: I'm here to interview you.

Miles (growing wary): Why? I thought you didn't like breaking the literary frame. Remember how you bounced off that weird production of Goldini's The Venetian Twins at the Guthrie Theater?

LMB: Yeah, well. Things move along. Speaking of which, how have you been since that adventure with the mad ba?

Miles (getting even more cautious): Busy. Very busy. Much too busy for you. All boring stuff, y'know? Committee meetings at the Council of Counts, domestic scenes, developing the Vorkosigan's District -- well, I've mostly been dumping that on Ekaterin -- all that. Nothing to interest you, I'm sure. I'm not the droid you're looking for. Move along . . .

LMB: Nice try. How're the kids?

Miles (springing to his feet, white about the lips): You stay the hell away from my kids!

LMB: Easy, there! They are still too young to get into much trouble on their own. Except in fanfiction I suppose. Nothing to support a commercial novel. And I did the kidnapping trope back when you were still a blob in your uterine replicator. You know how I dislike repeating a trope.

Miles (easing back, still suspicious): Well . . . maybe. (Seized by sly inspiration.) So why don't you go bother my cousin Ivan? Such a slacker, that boy. He could use the exercise.

LMB: You know, you're about the seven-thousandth person to ask that question. His turn may yet come. But he doesn't go with this year's theme.

Miles: Theme? You pick characters to go with your theme? What is this, some kind of interior decorating scheme?

LMB: No, I'm not smart enough for that. I set characters in motion and let them show me the theme. And then I say, Oh. And, My. And, Wait, how did we end up here, again? So, Miles . . . how's your health holding up these days?

Miles: Adequately, no thanks to you. As well you know.

LMB: Seizures still under control?

Miles: In a kludgy sort of way. (Suddenly interested) You thinking of doing anything about that? New galactic medical technologies, something?

LMB: No, actually. I prefer you the way you are. But regarding galactic medical technologies, I'm glad you brought up the subject. Although, from your point of view, they're hardly new. I was thinking about cryonics. And demographics.

Narayanan said...

contd ...

Miles: You've done cryonics, remember? That's how I ended up with the damned seizures. What was that about not repeating a trope? You're not going to kill and freeze me again, are you?

LMB: No, no. Your second death will be your last, I promise.

Miles (muttering): I'm not sure I like the sound of that . . .

LMB: But I've been musing for a long time over the intersection of cryonics and demographics.

Miles: Other writers have done that.

LMB: Indeed. But this is my take. I've shown the impact of the freeze-the-dead technology as an occasional emergency medical treatment; what happens when it's taken up society-wide, when everyone wants in on the act? With realistic economics? There are people actually trying to start this in my world today; I've met some. The arguments that have promptly followed have been most instructive. Old human nature meets new technology, film at 11. My slice isn't actually when it's new tech, though. I'm looking at it a bit further down the line, at longer-term consequences.

Miles: Doesn't sound like Barrayar. We're barely up to figuring out how to incorporate uterine replicators.

LMB: Yes, that's why I'm sending you to Kibou-daini, a rather more technologically advanced colony planet than Barrayar. Although that isn't saying much. Most places are.

Miles: Hey! Don't insult my homeworld! That's my job. (Thinks fast.) Anyway, I won't go. As I pointed out, I'm busy.

LMB: Actually, Emperor Gregor's sending you.

Miles: Oh. (Long pause) Barrayaran connection, is there?

LMB: That's for me to know and you to find out.

Miles (grumpy): Gee, thanks. I really appreciate that.

LMB: You won't, actually. But it'll be pretty amusing for the onlookers.

Miles: Are you sending me by myself?

LMB: No, you get to take your favorite minion, Armsman Roic.

Miles: Well, that's something, anyway. Good man, Roic. Despite that little incident back when with the bug butter.

LMB: You are getting older and creakier, you know.

Miles: Hey! I'm just turned 39, I'll have you know!

LMB: It's a hard-used 39. You need reliable help, I acknowledge that. And Roic is practically a Boy Scout, or at least a Canadian Mountie. Quite a change from old Sergeant Bothari. Have you noticed how your minions are getting saner and saner as you age? Why is that, I wonder?

Miles: Sampling artifact. If you're starting with Bothari, there's nowhere to go but saner.

LMB: Point. But we digress. Society-wide cryonics, what happens next? That's the question.

Miles: And what's the answer?

LMB: You know I don't do answers. Didactics are so not my thing. Let a hundred flowers bloom -- and then study and classify them. Besides, I have to leave you some free will.

Miles: It all sounds a trifle morbid.

LMB: Oh, it's all of that. An extended meditation on people's relation to death must have a certain amount of darkness built-in. But it's all in the tone, y'know. There will also be comic relief.

Miles: I'm not sure I like the sound of that any better. I'm still traumatized from that damned dinner party you put on.

LMB: You put that party on yourself, Miles. I merely didn't stop you.

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contd ...

Miles: (inarticulate growl)

LMB: Actually, you are only just now of the age -- middle -- where you could tackle this theme properly. Miles in the middle, caught between the last generation and the next, and the only Barrayaran Imperial Auditor with such an intimate personal experience of what cryonics tech can do -- your whole life for the past decade has been its gift, as you will point out.

Miles: I will, will I? To whom?

LMB: No spoilers.

Miles (wheedling): Ah, c'mon, you can spoil me . . .

LMB: I already do.

Miles (tartly): Not so's I've noticed.

LMB: You should have seen the outtakes.

Miles (tempted pause): No, this nightmare is weird enough already.

LMB: Wise man.

Fin.

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