It was hard to look at their choices and pick what was "most similar" to what I ate yesterday for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, especially since I don't eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but also since none of the choices were much like what I eat. If I ate 3 meals a day of the sort that they are displaying, I think I would gain a pound a week.
ADDED: The very next article I read in the NYT was "Feeling the Squeeze? How to Be a Thrifty Traveler as Prices Soar/Inflation is here and it’s wreaking havoc on travel budgets. Our Frugal Traveler columnist on how to strategize in a world of rising prices."
Where's the guilt-inducing quiz about the contribution to climate change for this one? There isn't even a passing mention of climate change, even though the obvious "thrifty" answer for folks "feeling the squeeze" is to go nowhere. The food quiz pushes you to give up meat.
The food quiz pushes you to give up meat. Why not give up travel? Then it won't "wreak havoc" on your budget and — what should be more important within the NYT system of virtue — it won't wreak havoc on the climate.
But how could the NYT give up promoting travel? All those articles and ads. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy, not expecting anything to change. Other than the climate.
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Good for you. That high-impact group -- 40% of our emissions? They should avoid those gassy foods.
I see that poll as a reminder how average people should change their diets and eat only certain food, so that people like Meghan and Harry can enjoy their regular helicopter safaris to Africa. Do it for the people who like to vacay in Fiji and the Maldives.
John Kerry said that even if the US went to net carbon zero today, it wouldn’t make any difference. Nebraska has three coal-fired power plants while China has over 2,000.
Omaha Public Power plans on spending $28b plus to achieve net carbon zero but they won’t tell the public. Libs just want to work their incrementalism.
The next step by the libs will be a public pressure campaign on retail businesses like restaurants to buy carbon credits. The fate of the Earth is at stake.
Probably "High."
Too many damned beans.
The belief that human activity has any meaningful impact on climate change is indistinguishable from religious dogma.
Prove me wrong with science.
I rated low also but, like you, my meal choices have very little in common with what the Times is offering for choices. They may think they are offering variety (fruit and yogurt OR avocado toast), but not really--most of those choices are on the same people's menus and the difference in your performance on their quiz will have more to do with what was in the fridge yesterday than your larger eating habits.
Clearly this was brought to you by the same people who think "diversity" means having a staff with minorities from Harvard and Yale to balance out the white people from Harvard and Yale.
@Althouse wrote: "But how could the NYT give up promoting travel? All those articles and ads. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy, not expecting anything to change. Other than the climate."
The underlying issue is that the establishment in power often sells Catholic style Indulgences: Pay the priest to cover your sins so you don't have to stop sinning. Sacrifice something small or that you don't care much about so you can do what you really want, even if it's a much worse problem. Martin Luther called this out and started the protestant reformation 500 years ago. This faulty logic isn't unique to Europe either, with pre-Columbian America sacrificing humans at the tops of their pyramids in great numbers. For what value?
[Fake sacrifices are also a demonstrated modus operandi of Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, and many more.]
My diet contributes to global cooling.
"Where's the guilt-inducing quiz about the contribution to climate change for this one?"
Progs compartmentalize.
"I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy"
Next, you'll be telling us that rich New Yorkers should not be flying on private jets.
Anyway, now do articles about colleges. All those students flying around: what's the emission profile of higher ed?
The food quiz pushes you to give up meat. Why not give up travel?
That's Easy!
the Beef corp doesn't buy enough advertising in the NYT
the Travel industry buys LOTS of advertising in the NYT
Compare the health of meat eaters to those of vegans. Go ahead. There have been giant studies and more than a few books to document the disaster that is vegan or even veggie exclusive dining. We grew in lifespan and production as humans when we first started to get meat to the masses. It is the evolution forward that got us to be meat eaters. Devolution will remove that, and many other things from our lives.
I don't know how these fads turn into 'science', but it always seems to have a more strategic goal other than the one proposed. It's not about 'reducing climate change'. It may simply be a power move. Or just bad thinking gone mass phobia. Or another religious move. A nudge to direct people to a certain behavior that is acceptable to those High Priests of leftist ideologies. They have many requirements to being holy. I see the dogma in all of them.
Use no oil or gas. Be glad to live in the cold and dark.
Eat no meat. Wear no leather.
Eat only local produce.
Never, ever use plastic to drink or eat with.
Use a bidet and use less paper.
Have no sex, unless you are a community leader. Then have it with whomever you like.
Walk or bike everywhere. Never fly anywhere unless you are a community leader. Then you may use your own jet, or, if you're having a bad day, fly with the non-believers.
Desecrate your body with as many decorative tattoos and piercings as possible to show your religious devotion. The more you show, the more credibility within the Priesthood.
Show your devotion on TikTok.
How about we all just forget about managing our lives as if the only thing that gives us meaning is "climate change".
Fyi, Joe Rogan is anti factory farmed meat. As someone who has worked onsite to cleanup the asshole of the great American meat industry, global warming is the least of the problems.
What you need to be asking yourself is what is that artificial grain fed fat doing to your body? It's plain you don't give a fuck about animal cruelty and environmental damage. Think about your own health and the explosion of heart disease, Alzheimer's, cancer, autoimmunity, etc. The standard American diet is a long slowly acting poison that tastes great and stimulates the lizard brain to crave more and more.
Food quiz box is nonsensical because it doesn't say how many people are in each group. If 40 percent of population is in the "high" group that causes 40 percent of climate change what is the problem?
It seems the advice is as useful and makes as much sense as anything usually found in the NYT.
You know who didn’t eat meat or travel much? Medieval serfs. That seems to be their future template for us.
Sorry, I don't care if the NYT's likes me, so I won't be taking the quiz. Inflation is destroying the standard of living of average Americans, and the NYT's elite class response? "Let them eat Soy".
"We want you to live like us, reinforce our choices, and thus show you are a member of our tribe so we can trust you going forward. And help us be ascendant in the culture."
It's still about power. When Marxists started insisting that everything is about power, they were telling you about themselves.
20 years ago they said Florida and NYC will be under water. Wishful thinking on the latter. Also, why is it that the biggest Chicken Littles about "climate change" travel all over the world often? Houses on the east coast, houses on the west coast, but somehow they manage to travel between the two consuming no fuel?
Tar and feather them all and lets have a parade.
and it was at that moment when the meteor struck.
The quiz doesn't account for the *amount* of these items that is consumed. Some people eat 2 or 3 times as much as others. Isn't every fat person a walking testament to a higher carbon impact? But it's mean to shame them, so it goes unsaid.
"fruit and yogurt OR avocado toast"
I only eat Wisconsin avocados.
We're flying to Europe this summer and taking a couple of grandsons with us. It's past time that they learn the joys of German schweinshaxe, Wienerschnitzel and sausages. AGW is a non factor in our trip considerations and in our diet because it's largely bullshit. We feel good that our trip will provide the opportunity for a few AGW true believers to stay home this summer so as to offset our carbon footprint. We can't help ourselves, but we'll show our appreciation to those who will help by toasting each and every participating Karen with a stein of good German hell lager during our visit to the Hofbrauhaus or Augustiner Stammhaus in Munchen. Tschuss und danke.
"Ann Althouse said...
The quiz doesn't account for the *amount* of these items that is consumed. Some people eat 2 or 3 times as much as others. Isn't every fat person a walking testament to a higher carbon impact? But it's mean to shame them, so it goes unsaid."
You eat less, and therefore are less a burden on the climate. Fine. Then you and Meade leave your big ole house and hop your bony asses into your gas guzzling F150. But it's mean to shame you...
Fat people's real burden on society is not some fallacy of climate change, but their cost of healthcare.
Howard once again lecturing people on sh*t he knows nothing about.
You go girl.
my diet contributes to "climate change" as much as it contributes to the earth revolving around the sun.
There have been giant studies and more than a few books to document the disaster that is vegan or even veggie exclusive dining. We grew in lifespan and production as humans when we first started to get meat to the masses
I learned in elementary school that humans are omnivores. We require both meat and plants.
follow the science is situational. Like all leftist dogma.
You cannot convince me running a refrigerated semi from California to NYC to deliver 10,000 pounds (Meat would be 50,000 pounds) of lettuce is carbon neutral. Fruits and vegetables gobble up huge amounts of energy to get them to your table.
Of course they are pushing the peasants to accept a vegetable based diet.
The problem is vegetable/fruit based diets are for animals with very different gastrointestinal systems than humans have. Our bodies are healthier and operate better on meat based diets and specifically red meat. We do not digest fiber and the amount of available nutrients in vegetables and fruits is very low for us.
One of the big problems is that vegetable oils are just bad for us. Weakens your intestinal walls and causes leaky gut and many other problems. Eating animals that are "corn fed" cause the animals to go into the same state we are trying to avoid. Animals fed corn have higher Omega 6 to Omega 3 levels.
Red meat from animals that eat grass gives you all the nutrients you need and is what our species grew up with.
Find a local store that sells local meat. Cut out as much of the other garbage as you can.
Dump salt on your meat.
Eggs are also your friend. They have even higher levels of nutrient density and higher protein absorption than red meat. Salmon 4-7 times a week is what I do as well.
You will be amazed by how good you feel and how good you look.
Think about your own health and the explosion of heart disease, Alzheimer's, cancer, autoimmunity, etc.
1) I much prefer these to malnutrition and starvation
2) None of these things are new, or confined to Western diets
3) Are these things generally getting better or worse?
Whales are a swimming testament that certain diets lead to higher carbon molecule gain. We can save the planet by hunting whales to extinction. Heck, every living species on the planet is carbon based, so you know what needs to happen to prevent climate change.
“Isn't every fat person a walking testament to a higher carbon impact?”
Thin people aren’t sequestering their fair share of carbon.
“The belief that human activity has any meaningful impact on climate change is indistinguishable from religious dogma.”
“Prove me wrong with science.”
And they can’t. If you do multivariate regression looking for the contributors to global temperature (which is an artificial, fudged, figure to start with), CO2 concentration is almost down in the noise. No one should be surprised at the major factors of global temperature: solar radiation, distance from the sun (no, it’s not constant), Earth’s wobble, etc. They all affect the amount of solar radiation received by the earth from the sun, and where. What was surprising to me was that El Niño/La Niña is also more important than CO2, likely because where we are in that cycle helps determine heat transfer in the ocean. The CO2 based models don’t work, because they ignore the herd of elephants in the room, which are the effects of these other drivers. Which is why it is just one step above cargo cult science.
It is ironic that higher atmospheric CO2 leads to faster and more productive plant growth, reducing the cost of veggies and fruit and animal feed. People who believe this nonsense are clueless and the people with the scientific background are corrupt.
The standard American diet is the saddest thing in the world.
Eat food, not too much, mostly plants - m.p.
Put your focus on quality in food, and in living.
Instead of fighting wars in the faraway countries, educate your people, dress them up, encourage them to be healthier, slimmer, less ignorant, then go on and travel.
“Compare the health of meat eaters to those of vegans. Go ahead. There have been giant studies and more than a few books to document the disaster that is vegan or even veggie exclusive dining. We grew in lifespan and production as humans when we first started to get meat to the masses. It is the evolution forward that got us to be meat eaters. Devolution will remove that, and many other things from our lives.”
It’s not really a human thing, but more a chimp thing - which takes us back maybe between 7.5 and 10 million years, when we separated from the gorillas. Except that I think that the gorillas, as almost exclusively herbivores, are the anomalies as great apes. Chimp society is separated by gender, with the males forming hunting parties that go off and hunt animals (including chimps in other tribes, which, of course, has prion issues). They will eat some of it before they return, then return with the remaining meat for the females and the young. The females on the other hand mostly do the gathering of fruits and the like. I find it interesting that chimp males consume so much more meat than the females do. Maybe it’s part of why our musculature is so different (and why it’s unfair allowing trans women to compete athletically with cis females). It’s not just the quantity of muscles, but also the types of muscles involved.
Veganism is dangerous for kids, and esp adolescent males. They need the animal protein to properly build muscles. Archeologists can easily differentiate a culture that exists mostly on grains from one where abundant meat is available - because the former were stunted and sickly. They can look at skeletons through time, and easily determine when farming was introduced, by then conditions of the bones. Back during WW II, we were well aware how much smaller NE Asians (Orientals) were. Some assumed that it was due to the natural superiority of Caucasians. Nope. It was mostly diet. Their primary staple was rice. When allowed, by prosperity, to eat much larger quantities of animal protein, they have shot up in height, and last I knew, the very tallest players in the NBA are Chinese.
Effeminate males, with slight builds, living like good progressives, are called Soy (or Soi) Boys for a reason - one of the reasons that they are not Alpha, or even Beta, males, is due to their diet. And, it starts young. My partner tells the story of a pair of brothers growing up around her kids, who loved to come over to visit - because that was the only place they could get the animal protein that their bodies craved. That was always in excess at their house, because they had a ranch in MT where they summered. These boys looked, as you would expect the meat deprived to look - thin and unhealthy. So when her son had boys, and their mother tried to limit their meat intake, her son laid down the law - its fine for a middle aged woman to go that route - just not adolescent boys.
It's stupid that they put the quiz behind the paywall. This is a mechanism for gathering market data. It's also a mechanism for influencing public opinion. Both of these things seem like obvious candidates for free access. Sure, make people pay for the actual content you're creating. But getting them to take surveys? Why would you not welcome all comers?
The standard American diet is the saddest thing in the world.
Personally I like living in a country where the biggest health problem that poor people have is obesity rather than malnutrition and starvation.
The Earth's climate has been changing for 4.6 billion years.
Pass the ribs and sauce, please.
Think about your own health and the explosion of heart disease, Alzheimer's, cancer, autoimmunity, etc. The standard American diet is a long slowly acting poison that tastes great and stimulates the lizard brain to crave more and more.
Another health looney. This got started when KIAs in Korea were autopsied and coronary disease was found in young men. Then some "researchers" fed rabbits meat and found their cholesterol went way up. Of course, rabbits do not eat meat in the wild. Nobody wrote anything about smoking and coronary disease for years. It was all blamed on cholesterol. Howard has been reading too many left wing vegetarian magazine articles.
Methane is a Greenhouse gas that is postulated to be a first-order forcing of global warming. Veganism is a lifestyle of herbivores and some humans that sustains the forward-looking risk of [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change.
Pass the ribs and sauce, please.
For a greener world, and a healthier you.
If something's not worth lying for, you don't want it badly enough.
I eat a 90% veg diet because it tastes good and feels good. And I credit it with still being able to run trails at almost 70.
I don't eat this way because I think it will save the world, but I suppose there will be some who read that article and change their diet for a week.
All NYT writers are supposed to be reading from the same hymnal, and are hypocrites if they deviate from that notion? I don't get it, please explain how that's supposed to work.
It's the processed carbs and sugar that causes heart disease, Doc. Excessive protein intake causes cancer. Seed and grain oils cause inflammation which is contributory to autoimmunity heart disease old-timers and cancer.
Look up blue zone diets.
Obese males with man titties and button mushroom dicks are even more effeminate. No woman wants to fuck you fat fucks. The thinner you are, the bigger your dick grows. Americans aren't at risk of protein deficiency. Quite the opposite.
You know who didn’t eat meat or travel much? Medieval serfs. That seems to be their future template for us.
Big to-do-ha-ha this week about whether medieval serfs had it better than contemporary Americans.
Azie Dungey
@AzieDee
Medieval peasants worked only about 150 days out of the year. The Church believed it was important to keep them happy with frequent, mandatory holidays.
You have less free time than a Medieval peasant.
10:17 AM · Apr 16, 2022
Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
Medieval peasants had no student loan debt, no medical bankruptcies, and never had to worry about high gas prices. What went wrong? Capitalism.
10:43 AM · Apr 17, 2022 from Washington, DC
The part about working days is apparently true (though what did they have to do in their spare time?). The rest is wrongheaded or tongue in cheek.
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