At least three of the witnesses once central to the case have either not heard from the district attorney’s office in months, or have not been asked to testify, according to people with knowledge of the matter.... And the remaining prosecutors working on the Trump investigation have abandoned the “war room” they used to prepare for their grand jury presentation early this year, the people said, leaving behind an expansive office suite and conference room on the 15th floor of the district attorney’s office in Lower Manhattan.
The grand jury’s expiration at the end of the month does not preclude prosecutors from impaneling another jury.... But impaneling a new grand jury could create challenges for any potential case. Mr. Trump’s lawyers could argue — and a judge might agree — that prosecutors were inappropriately hunting for a more favorable group of jurors.
April 29, 2022
"Likelihood of Trump Indictment in Manhattan Fades as Grand Jury Wraps Up."
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was the ever a person So Investigated.. and So unindicted.. if the history of the earth???
Serious Question: How long would it take a Grand Jury, to reach an indictment of Jo Biden?
Another witch hunt ended because there is no evidence...but Progressives on both sides will keep trying because they HAVE to stop Trump from exposing how corrupt Congress and the Politicians of this country are......
For a giggle, google “the walls are closing in” + “trump” and count the number of news organizations through the years that reliably promised Orange Hitler was finally going down for real this time.
I thought this was the one! This was the investigation that would finally end our long dark night of Trumpness.
Democrat voters + something about a river in Egypt.
A better tag title would be trumped-up troubles.
And are the clowns in the prosecutor's office moving on to ham sandwiches?
Readering? Inga? any of you want to comment?
Has an elected (R) ever been investigated as thoroughly as Trump with a single charge being filed? A couple of regulatory fines, and some civil suits (hardly unique, as a huge number of "real" politicians wind up with FEC fines or tax issues)
TWO WEEKS TO FLATTEN THE CASE!
Well, there's still the Fulton County grand jury. And from the tone of the media coverage it's looking pretty grim for Trump.
"The best defense is a good offense."
Trump came in promising to drain the swamp. He had few allies and was naïve about the resistance he'd surely face. The main treat wasn't this kind of grand jury fishing expedition by the left "Resistance", but the general resistance of the backroom establishment for looking at their own flaws.
Remember all the shouting Dems did about the money spent by the Starr Commission? I do. How much taxpayer money did they spend on this fishing expedition? The public has a right to know.
Fades, it was very weak and dark from the start, but democracy did die in its darkness.
Meep, meep!
Back to the Acme catalog for something New! and Improved!
Imagine my surprise that you can't indict someone for tax violations, when they have an army of tax lawyers that makes and vets all the decisions. Dumbest idea ever.
Basically people seem to think that if you hate someone, and he's bad, that you can put him in jail if you try hard enough. That's like not a good look for a country.
If there really were criminal dirt on Trump, isn't it reasonable to believe it would have been found in 2015-6 given all the resources thrown at neutralizing his candidacy?
JPS said...
Well, there's still the Fulton County grand jury. And from the tone of the media coverage it's looking pretty grim for Trump.
So did the media coverage of this one, until all of a sudden it wasn't.
JPS said...Well, there's still the Fulton County grand jury. And from the tone of the media coverage it's looking pretty grim for Trump.
If Trump had a dollar for every time someone said it was looking grim, walls closing in, etc., he'd be a billionaire. Word to the wise: don't hold your breath.
What has less meat than an Impossible Burger?
A Nothing Burger.
I'd love to know the top-rated comment there.
The working theory of Trump's enemies always seems to have been that all you need is the predicate, whether real or fabricated, necessary to initiate an investigation, then you will be able to get Trump on something because anyone with as many fingers in as many pies as Trump must've cut corners somewhere, sometime, along the way.
Let's not forget.
Getting a Grand Jury indictment is 1st year law stuff. Very simple. Just the prosecution presenting evidence, with no defense to rebutt or provide exculpatory evidence.
You can indict a Ham Sandwich.
Mueller did that with Russians interfering with the election. A dozen of them. Of course he knew the Russians would never answer the indictments.
Until one did show up in court to challenge. Mueller immediately requested an extension. The judge said no, filing the indictment MEANS you are ready for trial. So Mueller was forced to drop all charges, because evidence did not exist.
The new DA Bragg, was not going to get egg on his face. Indicting on no evidence just to advance the phony narrative.
JPS said...Well, there's still the Fulton County grand jury. And from the tone of the media coverage it's looking pretty grim for Trump.
If Trump had a dollar for every time someone said it was looking grim, walls closing in, etc., he'd be a billionaire. Word to the wise: don't hold your breath.
I suspect that was JPS's point.
What a colossal waste of resources.
"Basically people seem to think that if you hate someone, and he's bad, that you can put him in jail if you try hard enough."
On a similar note, when some notorious event occurs (say a possible self-defense shooting), and the person is not charged because there just isn't enough evidence under the circumstances to support a conviction, so no charges are brought. In that situation, I sometimes hear people complain, "Well, they should have at least ARRESTED him!"
I blame Resident Biden's food shortages.
It doesn't matter how aggressive or corrupt the prosecutor, you can't indict a ham sandwich without the ham.
The problem with prosecuting Donald Trump is that there would almost certainly be several jurors from the "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters” crowd.
When will we see the Hunter Biden indictments?
"Jersey Fled said...
When will we see the Hunter Biden indictments?"
One year after Biden's presidency ends, if ever.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
The problem with prosecuting Donald Trump is that there would almost certainly be several jurors from the "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters” crowd.
4/29/22, 8:39 AM
Same thing if we ever finally get to arrest Obama for dividing us...His line "We are the ones we are waiting for (no you AREN'T..) and “this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..." And look how fucked up he made America with his RACIAL hate and division. He is WHY we got Trump who was actually only kidding when he said that...Obama, wasn't.
Jake writes, "What a colossal waste of resources."
I disagree. That New York exercise in futility (one line in a long, long list) has been a thoroughly useful "waste of resources". Any lawyer who would participate in this star chamber is quite clearly a willing tool of banana-republic-scale political corruption, therefore, everyone is safer when the resource being wasted is the time of such potentially dangerous anthropoids. Think of it this way -- recall that scene in Donnie Brasco, Sonny Black's crew are so desperate that they're reduced to smashing parking meters with sledgehammers and failing miserably when even the lowliest expenditure of honest sweat would be more profitable. Frustration and humiliation, fitting wages of malfeasence.
[Obama] is WHY we got Trump who was actually only kidding when he said [the thing about shooting someone on 5th Ave.]...Obama, wasn't [ when he talked about stopping the rise of the oceans and healing the planet, etc.].
I'd put it a little differently. Both were using rhetorical devices. Trump was using hyperbole and yes, using it with humor (as usual, and obviously too, as anyone who doesn't come into things fully invested in the Trump=Hitler thing knows). Obama was trying for high-flown oratory, to go with his Greek columns - trying to look even more historic than he already was. Because, in my opinion, he is the kind of narcissist who can't laugh at his own conscious narcissism - maybe isn't even actually conscious of it (though I doubt that).
Trump's also a narcissist. Lots of politicians are. But I'll take one who knows it and laughs about how overblown it all is (by saying everything is the best ever, biggest in history, most beautiful ever seen, etc.) over one who takes himself Very Seriously any day.
Durham will be available after he finishes whatever he is doing.
It's all a joke. Harassment for headlines ---
The fleet of Hivemind Swetniks still believe, tho.
the walls are closing in!
And are the clowns in the prosecutor's office moving on to ham sandwiches?
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what is the grand jury to do : if by mistake or intention in their frenzied zeal the lawyers eat the ham sandwich?
Left Bank of the Charles said...
The problem with prosecuting Donald Trump is that there would almost certainly be several jurors from the "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters” crowd.
This is an attempt to get an indictment, not a conviction. Grand juries generally aren't required to be unanimous.
The Twitter blogger @DawsonSField has some theories about these things, namely that these prosecutorial 'hate' campaigns against people like Trump or other political figures are a kind of honey trap - nothing happens, except that after the dust settles from the Main Event, there are a series of quiet State and Federal prosecutions against the second-order players that were associated with the events driving the story in the first place. His blog presents these, one after another, as the progress reports come in. His hash tag for this is #ButNothingsHappening. He highlights and speculates on the cooperation that goes on between the targeted person and the justice professionals to ensnare the miscreants. Occasionally Interesting !
Interesting that this crime search gets the headlines in liberal media but not Dunham’s very legitimate indictment of Sussman, perhaps with more to come. From what is available in the court filings, it looks like Sussman should be convicted. We’ll see if justice prevails.
Trump never does anything business related without layers of lawyers and accountants vetting it over and over with their own asses on the line if it is illegal.
For some reason, his critics seem to believe that Trump is designing every deal, and weighing in on every single line item in his financial life. That was always complete nonsense- his financial empire is far too large to be managed that way in the last 40 years.
The "Trump Investigations"--like Gertrude Stein's Oakland, there is simply no there there.
But but but... while Biden is a wholesale crook.. international - paid with our washed tax dollars.
Trump might had valued a property a bit off. the tru crime!
Trump has got to be the cleanest president since Truman and Eisenhower.
My sad trombone cries for thee.
The nation had to be destroyed by revenge seeking sociopath power-money-whore crook Hillary because she is the real Russian asset.
Wasn't there an Edgar Allen Poe story about a man trapped in a room with the walls gradually closing in on him?
At the very last moment, for reasons I don't recall, the walls retracted and the protagonist was saved.
Who knew that Poe was writing about Our President Emeritus.
Looking on Duck duck Go (don't be evil, don't use Google) I found a lot of Poe stories but nothing that I recognized as this one.
Perhaps it was not Poe I am thinking of?
John LGKTQ Henry
"Mr. Trump’s lawyers could argue — and a judge might agree — that prosecutors were inappropriately hunting for a more favorable group of jurors."
They might even argue that prosecutors were hunting for Donald Trump, without any shred of evidence that any crime had been committed. As the great Democrat Lavrenti Beria put it, "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime!".
Mike,
Truman was far from clean. He was Tom Pendergast's personal Senator and pendergast, Truman and the Kansas City mob were dirty as Hell.
As President Truman was thoroughly detested. There were a number of scandals in his administration. He was the one who instigated loyalty oaths.
He was not quite in Joe Biden territory but his popularity in 52 was so low that he did not even run for the nomination. Even in 48 he just barely squeaked in.
He did run in the NH primary in 52. He lost to Kefauver 20m to 16m.
Truman may look good in the rearview mirror. But he was barely competent and far from clean.
John LGKTQ Henry
And special for our hostess:
On one of his albums in the liner notes, Bob Dylan said something like:
"When I was growing up Truman was president and who would want to be like him."
John LGKTQ Henry
Jupiter writes, "They might even argue that prosecutors were hunting for Donald Trump, without any shred of evidence that any crime had been committed. As the great Democrat Lavrenti Beria put it, 'Show me the man, I'll show you the crime!'."
The inevitable result of a 2.77:1 lawyer to plumber ratio.
The Pit and the Pendulum. The moving walls are the Inquisitors' second attempt to kill the narrator after the pendulum-scythe fails.
I don't think there were 36m (20m + 16m) votes in the NH primary in 1952. Then again, it was the D party.
Say what you will about Truman, if he was corrupt he didn't make much money at it.
At the very last moment, for reasons I don't recall, the walls retracted and the protagonist was saved.
That was "The Pit and the Pendulum". The reason was the capture of Toledo by the French army. The story is fantasy, but if one needs context, one should contrast the absolute orthodoxy demanded by the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th century to the religious skepticism of Napoleon's imperial France in the 19th.
People use to say "To err is Truman". My parents were amazed at the Truman love that started in the 70s, they said everyone hated the guy. Liberals thought he was vulgar little man who replaced their Hero FDR, the conservatives thought he was soft on Communism and "lost china", and he got in a no-win war in Korea. There was a lot of corruption. Truman was also a nasty partisan calling Republicans Nazis and was so rude to Ike in 1952, that Eisenhower wouldn't speak to him for years.
He only won in '48, because Dewey was such a Lamo. Dewey was the 40s version of Jeb Bush.
On the plus side, he didn't start WW III or give up Europe to the USSR (like Henry Wallace would've done) and he tried be be mainstream on issues like Civil Rights, Labor, the Economy, etc. He was a lot more liberal then people remember, he didn't do anything crazy domestically because he had to deal with a conservative congress.
Truman threatened to punch a music critic who didn't like his daughter's piano concert. People didn't appreciate that kind of crudeness from a POTUS in the 40s. We've changed in that regard.
The "Trump Investigations"--like Gertrude Stein's Oakland, there is simply no there there.
At least Oakland now has a "there". https://localwiki.org/oakland/%22There%22_Sculpture
Another adventure that fails with a boomerang effect.
The problem with prosecuting Donald Trump is that there would almost certainly be several jurors from the "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters” crowd.
Yeah. That's the problem. Not the fact they don't have jackshit on him, but the possibility some jurors could be part of the 74 million voters crowd.
rcocean said...
Truman threatened to punch a music critic who didn't like his daughter's piano concert.
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I remember reading about that when I was kid in the 60's, and being very surprised that a) a responsible adult -in the most responsible role I could imagine - would make these statements, and b) would do so in a letter. Truman told the guy "Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below!"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Trump ever threatening or evincing any desire to throw hands with anyone, at least while in public life.
Joe Biden, however, is a horse of a different color. Tough talker, as I recall.
Tell me you just conducted a political witch hunt without telling me you just conducted a political witch hunt. . . . .
It's cute how many still believe we are a nation of laws, not of men.
Tom Delay finally was indicted by the third grand jury our Austin DA tried, with charges so silly the first two grand juries laughed the DA out of the room. And Delay lost his position in the House, the Republican Party, and history. He was finally acquitted after years and millions spent in defense. Sure, he became a rich lobbyist after that, but the damage was done.
The process is the punishment.
Why on earth would the New York DA - NOT - take Trump to trial when the process will last years, cost Trump millions, and not matter at all except as a means to prevent Trump running for office again?
Well gee, we tried. It turns out Trump is an honest man. I guess we'll leave him alone now and let him run and beat Biden to be our next President.
Rules are rules. So be it.
Trump was a NY Democrat most of his life.
They persecute him because he switched teams. An apostate, a traitor.
Meanwhile it is a fact Biden is rolling in it with $5.2 million in undisclosed income... Hunter and 'Big Daddy' paid each other's bills. Hunter gets $$$ for his 'paintings'. Hunter's laptop full of shady deals with Ukrainians and Russians.
Investigate? Nah...
boatbuilder 7am: Thanks for the coffee all over my keyboard.
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