March 8, 2022

"Richard Keller, a medical historian at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, says that much of the current pandemic rhetoric..."

"... the premature talk of endemicity; the focus on comorbidities; the from-COVID-or-with-COVID debate—treats COVID deaths as dismissible and 'so inevitable as to not merit precaution,' he has written. 'Like gun violence, overdose, extreme heat death, heart disease, and smoking, [COVID] becomes increasingly associated with behavioral choice and individual responsibility, and therefore increasingly invisible.' We don’t honor deaths that we ascribe to individual failings, which could explain, Keller argues, why national moments of mourning have been scarce. There have been few pandemic memorials, save some moving but temporary art projects. Resolutions to turn the first Monday of March into a COVID-19 Victims and Survivors Memorial Day have stalled in the House and Senate. Instead, the U.S. is engaged in what Keller calls 'an active process of forgetting.' If safety is now a matter of personal responsibility, then so is remembrance."

From "How Did This Many Deaths Become Normal?/The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?" by Ed Yong (The Atlantic).

78 comments:

Quaestor said...

When did UW Madison start substituting scholarship with claptrap?

TreeJoe said...

As someone who works in medical research and started off my career 2 decades ago in metabolic research, there's a few observations:

1. There is almost zero air time given to the fact that improving the healthiness (diet, weight control, exercise) would have provided better outcomes than the masks and vaccines had (against delta and omicron at least).

2. There is almost zero air time given to the fact that certain populations needed the most protection and that such focus was abandoned to instead create general population guidelines - mandates, masking, mass distancing, etc. If instead they had created special protections for the elderly, the sickest, the immune comprised, etc. - they would have had better outcomes with less society and economic impact.

In short, Covid was a pandemic the health community specifically claimed to prepare for - and yet utterly failed at.

They don't want to talk about that.

Leland said...

Death has always been a natural condition.

Tim said...

The answer is pretty simple. If we look too closely, then China attacked the US with a NBC weapon, and our declared answer to that one is simple. We only have one response, and that is to nuke the PRC. Anyone here willing to sign up for that?! Didn't think so. The only answer is to pretend it never happened. The fact that our federal bureaucrats are likely involved in the funding of the lab the virus was created at just means more people trying to shut down any talk about and for sure no investigations are to be initiated!

Wince said...

From "How Did This Many Deaths Become Normal?/The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?" by Ed Yong (The Atlantic).

By the same token, one might ask why the words "origin," "release," "lab," "Wuhan," "China" or "Chinese Communist Party" do not appear in that article.

Dave Begley said...

In the Jesuit Gardens at Creighton University, there is a statue of the Virgin Mary and a plaque expressing the students' gratitude for surviving the 1918 flu pandemic.

The undergrad ingrates won't do anything similar.

robother said...

Now do white opiod deaths in Appalachia.

JAORE said...

No memorials to Covid?

The ship has sailed but we need a bon voyage party?

Ernest said...

The social reckoning following the Black Death in Europe, 1347 and following, which may have killed as much as 50% of the population was a rise in questioning the Roman Catholic Church's corruption. This was one of several factors that led to the Protestant Reformation.

Achilles said...

"How Did This Many Deaths Become Normal?/The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?" by Ed Yong (The Atlantic).


Because a Democrat is president and because he is a Chinese agent.

Brad said...

One reason is one the author dismisses at every point - pandemics are a normal part of life. Like tornadoes and earthquakes, we don't know when they will hit, how destructive they will be or have any meaningful tools to change the intensity, but have some power to moderate the impact, e.g. tornado warnings and building codes. What we don't need to do is memorialize each one and use them as an excuse to fundamentally change societal behavior or how we view risk. Seems like the author was traumatized by the pandemic and just can't understand why everyone isn't traumatized too.

Roger Sweeny said...

The great flu epidemic of 1918-19 was very quickly forgotten, even though it killed a much larger proportion of the population than COVID. For decades, you would not find it in a history text.

MadTownGuy said...

"If safety is now a matter of personal responsibility, then so is remembrance."

It wasn't enough to coerce the American people in the name of safety; now monuments must be erected to memorialize the coercion.

Jersey Fled said...

More than 600,000 unborn children die at the hands of abortionists each year without a peep from people like Keller.

gilbar said...

U.S. is engaged in what Keller calls 'an active process of forgetting.'
???
forgetting What? Government Overreach? Chinese Bioterrorism? Statical Manipulation?

Oh! I KNOW! I KNOW!! "Two Weeks, To Stop the Spread" ! ! !

gilbar said...

Remember back in 2020?
back when the United States shot itself in the head, and quit being a world power?

Lou M said...

The last thing the leadership elites in this country want is remembrance or, God forbid, a reckoning.

Bitter Clinger said...

"How Did This Many Deaths Become Normal?/The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?"

Why? Because such a reckoning would not help the Democrats win elections. First, it would remind voters that more Americans have died of/with COVID under Biden than Trump. Second it would lead to more discussion of the origin of COVID-19, which is now understood to be most likely a lab leak. If most people realized that, they would be interested to learn more about the role that Democrats' patron St. Fauci played in funding the creation of COVID-19. Finally, and worst of all, the above might lead many people to consider the unthinkable idea that Trump was right about much of this.

Bob Boyd said...

If you start talking about the death toll people will start talking about why the deaths happened and who's responsible. Can't have that.

Jeff Vader said...

Because most people are not pathetically stupid. My father “died” of COVID, that he was failing for years prior and seeing that he died early April 2020, pretty sure he was never actually tested for the virus so I don’t really believe it was the cause (it’s only listed 3rd on the death certificate)

tim maguire said...

This sounds like a COVID-zero argument, which is a nonsense approach to pandemic management. Keller ignores, as so many alarmists do, the costs of COVID containment, the trade-offs that must be made. It's not enough to say every COVID death is a tragedy if you are pursuing a strategy that itself causes deaths.

I disagree with Keller's argument that accepting COVID as endemic means it is each person's individual fault if they catch it. We need to recognize the reality that we are beset by a million dangers and it's not rational to demand total victory over one before moving on to another. We have to face all of them at once and we have to make hard decisions about how to apply limited resources.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

"Resolutions to turn the first Monday of March into a COVID-19 Victims and Survivors Memorial Day"

Memorials politicize shit and COVID has already served it's political purpose. The goal now is to erase all memory of the Democrat's depraved exploitation of the epidemic.

rrsafety said...

Why? Because the “social reckoning” will be used as a cudgel by the elite against the people. Is there any doubt that the reckoning will turn out badly for the average American?

n.n said...

Aside from planned parent/hood, masks that increase infections in general use, mandated and endorsed distribution of non-sterilizing experiment medical treatments (e.g. silent spread), and delay, denial, and stigmatization of safe, effective, affordable treatments, and social contagion forcing the progress of all causes deaths, Keller is correct.

madAsHell said...

Because flu season doesn't last for 3 years!! No one believes ANY of the numbers from the CDC.

I truly thought the pandemic would end after they put Dementia Joe in the White House with fraud on November 3, 2020.

Jon Burack said...

A "COVID-19 Victims and Survivors Memorial Day"? Oh, yeah, more victims and survivors, just what we need. Are there enough days in the year to memorialize all the millions of various victims and survivors here in this fat and happy land? The denial of the relevance of co-morbidities such as obesity has in my view been a huge factor in diverting from some substantial factors in this disease over which many have some control to utter trivialities like masking children or enforcing six-foot distancing. People do have control over healthy living choices, and a stress on those instead of all the virtual signaling might have done a bit of good.

I suspect I had a mild case of the dread disease myself (never bothered to get tested, so maybe not, but I do suspect it). But frankly, if you are going to memorialize me, forget about that. Do it for my winning the Norwalk, CT, Babe Ruth League batting championship in 1957. A much more important date in my illustrious career.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I guess everything is politicized. It became clear early on that people who think the welfare state can solve everything, particularly people whose careers benefit from the growth of the welfare state, welcomed an opportunity to talk doom and gloom and take over. The people who were most willing to toe the line were worried more about their own potential sickness or death than somebody else's. I don't want to show off my heartlessness, but surely it would be hard to impress the person from Mars by saying: people aged 80 and up are dying. No really, it's a big deal. It's especially true that they're dying if they have two or more comorbidities.

n.n said...

All's fair in lust and abortion? No. The wicked solution is neither a good nor exclusive Choice.

Crimso said...

"The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?"

Because any actual reckoning leads inevitably back to the CCP, and we are not allowed to criticize our masters.

Geoff Matthews said...

Deaths from covid, or deaths with covid?
There's a meaningful difference.

Anthony said...

Can we have more memorials for the hundreds of millions who died because of socialism?

Nah, didn't think so.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

How? Why?
1. Experts repeatedly lied about COVID.
2. Congress turned it into a money-gushing emergency with little oversight and questionable extras like legal immunity for vaccine producers.
3. Tyranny and public shaming took the place of open and honest debate.
4. “Pausing” the world’s economy and most schools turned out to be the most boneheaded moves in the 21st century, ongoing damage from which is still occurring and wreaking death and economic destruction.

That’s how. The why is still a mystery. Why quarantine the healthy instead of treating the ill?

Kai Akker said...

Guess this medical historian saw an opportunity.

---'Like gun violence, overdose, extreme heat death, heart disease, and smoking, [COVID] becomes increasingly associated with behavioral choice and individual responsibility, and therefore increasingly invisible.'

His argument is full of unfounded assumptions which lead to erroneous conclusions. Even if many felt this way at the beginning -- which gave one a sense of some small degree of control over one's chances -- Omicron made it clear that individual precautions were meaningless efforts.

His conclusion is 180 degrees wrong. The virus didn't become invisible, just much less feared. In the UK, epidemiologists said cold symptoms had a 52% chance of being Omicron, according to their data. How afraid of a cold should we be? Who should we blame it on?

Welllll..... as a matter of fact, to go back to the beginning, everyone knows -- or ought to know -- where the CCP virus originated. China + Fauci's pals. I don't think their day of reckoning has arrived, but in some form or other, it will, IMO.

gahrie said...

Perhaps because some of us understand the difference between dying with COVID, and dying from COVID.

Hey Skipper said...

From the article: Dying from COVID robbed each American of, on average, nine years of life at the lowest end of estimates and 17 at the0 highest.

The average social security check, starting from 67 years old, is $1504. And for a couple simplifying assumptions, assume the average age of death for 800,000 was 67, and, on average, each of those people would have lived an additional ten years if not for Mao Tse Lung.

Taking the risk of doing public math, that's $144.4B less social security will pay out over the next ten years.

So, there's that.

Hey Skipper said...

Why were so many publications and politicians focused on reopenings in January and February—the fourth- and fifth-deadliest months of the pandemic? Why did the CDC issue new guidelines that allowed most Americans to dispense with indoor masking when at least 1,000 people had been dying of COVID every day for almost six straight months?

Because reality had long since proved to anyone but hysterics that closures and masks didn't make a damn bit of difference.

Joe Smith said...

And most of those million deaths are on Joe's watch.

Anyone talking about this?

Readering said...

This was a feature of articles at the Centenary of the Spanish Flu.

Tina Trent said...

Because we have been conditioned to despise the old as Fox News Watching idiots and to mock the rural and (white) poor as deserving of their suffering.

In contrast, we were forbidden to tell the truth about bathhouses if we were to offer decency and succor to men catching AIDS in bathhouses.

Because identity politics politicized and polarized illnesses and violence, even at the cost of those who might have been spared had identity politics been shown the door instead.

Because nobody knows that Teena Brannon and Matthew Shepherd didn't die because they were trans and gay: they died because they pissed off murderous druggies.

These almost-children still died horribly, as nobody should die.

But we're allowed to laugh at some deaths (FoxNewsFlyoverCovid), ignore politically useless ones (Teena Brandon's also-murdered friends; the mother of one of Shepherd's killers, who was also beaten to death in a field over a similar drug deal gone wrong), and only publicly sanctify some people's suffering (Teena and Matthew). Empathy is now a zero-sum game.

Anyone who has ever spent any time in a hospital or a courtroom or even a prison knows that all different types of people show gross disregard and all different types of people show kindness and mercy -- to anyone. But we're not allowed to tell the truth about that anymore, though it is what makes us human.

The Atlantic writer gets the whole thing bass-ackward. Not surprising. The new AIDS memorials springing up while millions are blamed rather than universally mourned for Covid deaths are precisely the opposite of a sign that we are coming together.

They're making sure the current ugly hierarchy of humanizing and dehumanizing stays firmly in place.

harrogate said...

"The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?"

Because we are a cruel country down to the DNA. Stems from the same root as does our refusal to provide health care for our citizens.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

If safety is now a matter of personal responsibility, then....

Who, if not Ed Yong, would be the person or agency most responsible for the safety of Ed Yong? Seriously. Who does he expect to make sure his dick is inside his pants before he zips up?

Bruce Hayden said...

Yes. Almost a million people may have died as a result of the virus, or at least with it when they died. And, no doubt many of those who died did so through government mismanagement, whether putting elderly patients with the virus back into nursing homes, or denying patients effective prophylactics and treatments, such as hydroxicloriquine or ivermectin, etc, or forcing vaccinations with marginally tested and marginally effective gene therapies with significant side effects, esp of those facing almost negligible danger from the virus. But what does he want us to do at this point? More idiotic and ineffective masking? More child abuse by vaccinating younger and younger kids with such dangerous and ineffective vaccines?

Rocketeer said...

Reason number one is because though there have been 1,000,000 deaths ascribed to COVID, there haven’t been anywhere close to 1,000,000 deaths actually caused by COVID, and it’s finally becoming apparent that most of measures imposed to control us over the last two years were entirely useless and unnecessary.

Sebastian said...

"Two successive administrations floundered at controlling the virus"

This is the kind of old pandemic rhetoric that triggered the new pandemic rhetoric: the pursuit of control was always an illusion, and the oppression it involved always pointless cruelty, and the insistence on it always expressed in bad faith.

"and both ultimately shunted the responsibility for doing so onto individuals"

Another example of the old rhetoric and the bad faith it involved: both the federal government and many state governments and quite a few businesses took many measures that assumed collective "responsibility," in the form of general impositions--mask and vaccine mandates, an eviction moratorium, school closures, and so on. Individual responsibility had nothing to do with it.

Maynard said...

Once the virus escaped from the Wuhan Virology Lab, millions were destined to die in the world.

The methods used to ameliorate the effects of the virus were mostly useful for propping up idiot public health "experts" and did nothing to change the course of virus history.

The experts did not know what to do, but they had to do something to demonstrate their "expertise". It has been a freaking joke from the beginning.

Skeptical Voter said...

The medical historian wants a monument, or at least a marker, perpetuating the memory of a failure of policy and common sense. Usually when you vomit up a dog's breakfast, you get a shovel and try to cover it up with dirt. Or in this case you might cover it with the dead skin of the CDC and Fauci's credibility. But you don't build a monument to it.

Mark said...

It's a tragic thing, COVID death.

But no less tragic are other deaths. 2.8 million of them each year in the U.S. In fact, death will come for everyone reading this.

Oh, but these were preventable, senseless deaths. Well, yes, from the standpoint of JUSTICE, the lab engineering of the virus and the reckless or intentional release into the population was eminently preventable. But disease per se is not preventable. And those who died largely were not too far from it in any event, certainly with regards to the most ravaged demographic, the elderly. If not this, then likely something else within a year or two.

If we look at "excess deaths" on a yearly basis, they might be higher recently. But my guess is that if it is viewed over the next ten year period, it will be about the same as any other ten year period.

In the end, you can't avoid sickness or death.

Bob Boyd said...

Why isn't Fauci in jail?
Asking for a dead friend.

CWJ said...

"This was a feature of articles at the Centenary of the Spanish Flu."

Good point. Let's wait until 2120 to get all maudlin. Why rush it?

Mikey NTH said...

Put Covid 19 Remembrance Day right next to the one for Spanish Flu.

CWJ said...

"...national moments of mourning have been scarce."

Hashtags and ribbon makers hardest hit.

Gravel said...

This reminds me of the various lefty commenters in this very comment section who state that the real problem hasn't been the high cost and complete lack of efficacy of the non-pharmaceutical interventions prescribed by the public health community, but rather the criticisms of that same high cost and lack of efficacy.

MadTownGuy said...

Left unsaid in the COVID death tally is the influence therapeutics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine could have had, if administered soon after onset of symptoms or even as prophylaxis. And that's not taking into account deaths from, vs. with, COVID that may be in the total.

HCQ study

Ivermectin study

CWJ said...

"'The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?'

Because we are a cruel country down to the DNA. Stems from the same root as does our refusal to provide health care for our citizens."

Testing is free. Vaccines and boosters have been free. If anything, Covid patients have gone to the front of the line compared to others. Europe's socialized medicine failed to cheat death as well. So pray tell, how many lives would your idea of compassionate health care have saved?

Lurker21 said...

I wonder how many of the people who died with COVID would have died anyway. I don't blame them for their comorbidities. I just don't think we need to get any more obsessive about COVID than we already have been.

Yancey Ward said...

For fuck's sake- 6.2 million Americans have died in the last two years, and nearly that many would have died even if COVID didn't exist, and about 6.2 million will die in the next two years even if COVID didn't kill another person in the next two years. We have lost all perspective with this virus, and it has led us into making really, really stupid mistakes.

effinayright said...

harrogate said...
"The U.S. is nearing 1 million recorded COVID-19 deaths without the social reckoning that such a tragedy should provoke. Why?"

Because we are a cruel country down to the DNA. Stems from the same root as does our refusal to provide health care for our citizens.
********************
What citizens did "we", this "cruel country" that millions try to enter illegally each year, refuse to provide covid health care?

(I'm not sure there's a urologist out there who can help you with....emotional incontinence.)

typingtalker said...

Many aspects of the pandemic work against a social reckoning. The threat —a virus— is invisible, and the damage it inflicts is hidden from public view. With no lapping floodwaters or smoking buildings, the tragedy becomes contestable to a degree that a natural disaster or terrorist attack cannot be.

This is no different than the lack of social reckoning with respect to Heart Disease and Malignant Neoplasms (cancer). The first was responsible for 20.6 percent of US deaths in 2020 and second for 17.8 percent. Covid-19 was a distant third at 10.4 percent.

Distribution of the 10 leading causes of death in the United States in 2020

It's the accidents (unintentional injuries) that we find in the headlines every day -- along with those things that have large marketing budgets: football, presidential elections and the Kardashians.

Big Pharma now has a variety of ways to let the public know about their latest and greatest drugs. The key to success is crafting a memorable and effective message, finding the right media outlet, and spending the appropriate amount of money to get results.

Big Pharma's Top 13 Advertising Budgets

Perhaps we should have unleashed Big Pharma's marketing wizards on Covid.

n.n said...

Stems from the same root as does our refusal to provide health care for our citizens.

Unaffordable, unavailable by virtue of progressive prices forced by single/central/monopolistic enterprises, "fat is beautiful/healthy at any weight", social liberalism, and other comorbid progress.

Jupiter said...

Because a) we don't believe all of those deaths were caused by COVID, and b) we are aware that the vast majority of those who were killed by COVID were going to die soon in any case.

Kai Akker said...

Lloyd Robertson +1

Skeptical Voter +1

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I still have to wear a mask 😷

I’m not quite in “remembrance” mode yet.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Lurker21 said...
I wonder how many of the people who died with COVID would have died anyway. I don't blame them for their comorbidities

When your "expected" remaining lifespan is maybe 5 years, and you've already lived for 80 years, no, I'm not going to go into major paroxysms of sadness over your slightly early death

Kai Akker said...

Pick which five years to cut off your life, Greg. Any five of those you've had so far.

Kai Akker said...

---We only have one response, and that is to nuke the PRC. Anyone here willing to sign up for that?! Didn't think so. [Tim]

The world, including this great country, will never be even reasonably safe until the CCP is gone. The Bat Lady has already said CCP virus was just the tip of her iceberg.

Your move. Why don't you tell them to retire?

iowan2 said...

The average social security check, starting from 67 years old, is $1504. And for a couple simplifying assumptions, assume the average age of death for 800,000 was 67, and, on average, each of those people would have lived an additional ten years if not for Mao Tse Lung.

Taking the risk of doing public math, that's $144.4B less social security will pay out over the next ten years.

So, there's that.


We are supposed to believe putting covid positive patients into Nursing homes was incompetence.

effinayright said...


"We are supposed to believe putting covid positive patients into Nursing homes was incompetence."
********************

Please explain how Cuomo and the other Dem governors putting covid-positive patients back into nursing homes would benefit from federal Social Security payments falling over the next ten years.

Remember---those policies were in force in early 2020, when Trump was still President.

Did Trump quietly collude with Dem governors to (wink wink) kill off seniors to save the federal government money?

(And, of course, your scenario mistakenly assumes that the policy continued over the entire pandemic, which it didn't due to public outrage.)

Right Man said...

I don't know anyone that died from COVID and I don't know anyone that knows anyone who died from COVID.

Bunkypotatohead said...

We only memorialize the important stuff, like St. George Floyd.

n.n said...

We only memorialize the important stuff, like St. George Floyd.

The Fentanyl-induced progressive condition, secured by an assembled mob that prevented access by authorized medical personnel, which then motivated by dreams of diversity (e.g. racism, sexism, ageism), democratic leverage, and redistributive change, triggered nationwide insurrections, [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change, and elective abortions.

"We are supposed to believe putting covid positive patients into Nursing homes was incompetence."

Not social security, which as a fixed outlay funded by the individual and businesses, was never at risk. The probable motive for planned parent/hood is in medical, single/central/monopolistic solutions, progressive prices, specifically Obamacares.

Robert Cook said...

"I don't know anyone that died from COVID and I don't know anyone that knows anyone who died from COVID."

I did know someone who died from COVID. Given that COVID deaths in the U.S. lone are near one million (in just two years), there are plenty of people who know others who have died from COVID. Your experience does not represent or negate reality outside your small part of it.

Robert Cook said...

"We only memorialize the important stuff, like St. George Floyd."

Memorializing George Floyd is important because he was a citizen murdered in plain sight and for no reason by an officer of the law, so-called. Murders by police officers are numerous annually, and it should revolt and terrify every American citizen.

Robert Cook said...

"Death has always been a natural condition."

So have the efforts to find means to prevent deaths that can be prevented. Such efforts, over time, have been very successful. Those who say "let nature take its course" and/or who resist public health efforts to prevent needless deaths by disease, however imperfect, seeing them only as nefarious attempts to impose tyranny, are moral and intellectual morons.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Kai Akker said...
---We only have one response, and that is to nuke the PRC. Anyone here willing to sign up for that?! Didn't think so. [Tim]

I'd start by nuking Fauci

he is, after all, teh one who funded the creation of Covid

MadTownGuy said...

Greg The Class Traitor said...

[Lurker21 said...
I wonder how many of the people who died with COVID would have died anyway. I don't blame them for their comorbidities
]

"When your "expected" remaining lifespan is maybe 5 years, and you've already lived for 80 years, no, I'm not going to go into major paroxysms of sadness over your slightly early death"

My Dad, who had senior dementia (not Alzheimers), died from COVID one day short of his 89th birthday. In some ways, death came quickly and mercifully as he was only in hospital about three days. But he was still living in his own home, with a family member as a live-in caregiver, enjoying life as it was even with California's COVID restrictions. I doubt that his doctors prescribed any therapeutics, not due to his age or mental condition, but because either the HMO or state rules - or both - precluded their use.

Had he recovered, it's debatable whether he would have come back to his life the way it was before his illness, but I don't think it should be up to HMO cost-benefit rules or gubernatorial fiat to decide if he was worthy of potentially life-saving therapies.

Sarah Palin wasn't wrong.

Speaking of cost-benefit effects...
COVID-19 didn't hurt Social Security or Medicare as much as experts feared, report finds

MadTownGuy said...

Robert Cook said...
["Death has always been a natural condition."]

"So have the efforts to find means to prevent deaths that can be prevented. Such efforts, over time, have been very successful. Those who say "let nature take its course" and/or who resist public health efforts to prevent needless deaths by disease, however imperfect, seeing them only as nefarious attempts to impose tyranny, are moral and intellectual morons."

Yet the public-health-industrial-complex, even now resists the use of therapeutics in early treatment or prophylaxis when it has been shown that deaths can be reduced, significantly, by their use. How does that make sense?

Bruce Hayden said...

“Memorializing George Floyd is important because he was a citizen murdered in plain sight and for no reason by an officer of the law, so-called. Murders by police officers are numerous annually, and it should revolt and terrify every American citizen.”

Or, just maybe, he died of the lethal dose of fentanyl that he ingested shortly before being arrested.

“So have the efforts to find means to prevent deaths that can be prevented. Such efforts, over time, have been very successful. Those who say "let nature take its course" and/or who resist public health efforts to prevent needless deaths by disease, however imperfect, seeing them only as nefarious attempts to impose tyranny, are moral and intellectual morons“.

Just no evidence, besides wishful thinking right now, that our public health bureaucracies prevented many, if any, net deaths, with COVID-19. MY guesstimate right now is that they caused more deaths than they prevented, from putting COVID-19 positive patients back into nursing homes, denial of use of effective repurposed drugs such as hydroxicloriquine and ivermectin, allowance of use of incompletely and incompetently tested novel gene therapies as vaccines, ignoring their side effects, allowing and strongly suggesting their use with populations facing negligible risk from the virus, overestimating the need for ventilators and ICUs, resulting, from the latter, in deaths from preventable deaths from forgone or delayed treatments for other maladies, etc. We should be able to see the net benefit or loss when we finally get to see the excess death statistics for 2021 - if the HHS agency bureaucrats don’t fudge the figures, as they are want to do. So far, it doesn’t look good:

Excess Deaths (Absolute) - US Mortality Monitoring
Search domain usmortality.comhttps://www.usmortality.com › excess
“Expected deaths were 3,028,959. That is an increase of 411,589 deaths (+13.6%). United States reported 3,432,727 deaths of all ages for the year 2021. Expected deaths were 2,971,452. That is an increase of 461,275 deaths (+15.5%). To date, for the year 2022, United States reported 450,327 deaths of all ages. Expected deaths thus far, were 377,477.”

Greg The Class Traitor said...

MadTownGuy said...
Greg The Class Traitor said...
"When your "expected" remaining lifespan is maybe 5 years, and you've already lived for 80 years, no, I'm not going to go into major paroxysms of sadness over your slightly early death"

My Dad, who had senior dementia (not Alzheimers), died from COVID one day short of his 89th birthday. In some ways, death came quickly and mercifully as he was only in hospital about three days. But he was still living in his own home, with a family member as a live-in caregiver, enjoying life as it was even with California's COVID restrictions.


I'm sorry that happened to you.

My dad didn't make it to 89.

I doubt that his doctors prescribed any therapeutics, not due to his age or mental condition, but because either the HMO or state rules - or both - precluded their use.
The way that the "public health" Establishment has fought tooth and nail against any inexpensive treatments has been really horrible to watch.

I'm rather surprised no one has gone postal over it. But I'm also rather surprised that no one has cone postal over they parents / grandparents being murdered by a Democrat Governor who ordered that Covid positive patients be put in nursing homes where they could infect everyone else.

Had he recovered, it's debatable whether he would have come back to his life the way it was before his illness, but I don't think it should be up to HMO cost-benefit rules or gubernatorial fiat to decide if he was worthy of potentially life-saving therapies.
Well, it depends on how much they cost.

Resources are finite. If you can and want to pay for a treatment, no one should be allowed to get in your way.

But if you can't / won't, I don't believe you have an infinite call on your neighbors resources.