February 17, 2022

"There are things forgotten by chance, and there are things forgotten on purpose. But then there are things that aren’t really forgotten as much as they are deliberately ignored..."

"... usually because the memory has come to necessitate an elephantine level of discomfiting rationalization. America’s involvement with the 1996 Russian democratic election falls into this third category. Boris Yeltsin, the boozehound incumbent, overcame mass unpopularity to win reelection as Russian president, significantly due to assistance from clandestine United States operatives and the support of Bill Clinton. When the news of this subversion first surfaced, it was hailed as a masterstroke of U.S. statecraft. The July 15 cover of Time magazine pulled no punches: 'Yanks to the Rescue: The Secret Story of How American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win.' Decades later, the concept of interfering with another country’s election (and particularly an election in Russia) has adopted a more sinister overtone, and there’s a revisionist temptation to claim the role America played in the affair was exaggerated. But it did happen, and it’s almost inconceivable to imagine Yeltsin winning reelection had it not..."

Writes Chuck Klosterman on page 307 of "The Nineties." 

Speaking of Bill Clinton, here's a fascinating quote from Bill Clinton:

I am a living paradox—deeply religious yet not as convinced of my exact beliefs as I ought to be; wanting responsibility yet shirking it; loving the truth but often times giving way to falsity. . . . I detest selfishness, but see it in the mirror every day. . . . I view those, some of whom are very dear to me, who have never learned how to live. I desire and struggle to be different from them, but often am almost an exact likeness. . . . I, in my attempts to be honest, will not be the hypocrite I hate, and will own up to their ominous presence in this boy, endeavoring in such earnest to be a man. 

That's quoted in the book "The Nineties." Clinton wrote that for a high school English class — and quotes it himself in his autobiography. By the way, what does "their" refer to, in "their ominous presence" — "attempts to be honest"? — those other people who "never learned how to live"? Something in the ellipsis that Klosterman awkwardly created?

ADDED: Google books served up the passage from Clinton's book "My Life":

ADDED: He did not "go beyond petting with girls" — that's the argument he used years later for saying he hadn't lied when he said he "did not have sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky. 

72 comments:

Sebastian said...

"often times giving way to falsity"

Like, for the rest of his life.

What does it say about Americans that so many liked that man for so long?

gilbar said...

things that are Bad, and WRONG! for russians/republicans/regular people...
are Just FINE for democrats to do....especially Clinton Democrats
did y'all forget this? Or, did you just decide to ignore it?

tim in vermont said...

"What does it say about Americans that so many liked that man for so long?"

The person who wrote that passage sounds very likeable. Bill Clinton was obviously very intelligent, far more so than "the smartest woman in the world" or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush. He and Trump, to me both register as high IQ people. Obama seemed to me only slightly smarter than Joe Biden.

In retrospect, I would rather be ruled by a kleptocrat like Bill Clinton, who just wanted to be left alone to steal all he could, and left us alone, than true believer kleptocrats like Joe Biden, who also want to us how to live in every detail of our lives. and have no problem using the vast powers of the government to enforce their whims.

narciso said...

The 96 election in russia is why in part you ended up with putin for 20 plus yeaes

narciso said...

Bill clinton slashed the military inflated the property bubble through cra revisions did al queda favors in bosnia and kosovo

Howard said...

You might like Bill Clinton but the rise of the oligarchy and Putin egged on by electoral interference and tightening the NATO noose is his legacy. The End of History. Still living with the hangover from partying like it's 1999.

Dagwood said...

Good thing he hooked up with Hillary so she could help him sweep away all that self-doubting and ethical introspection.

narciso said...

That election discredited the liberals in Russia among the mass of Russian people

tim in vermont said...

What Bill Clinton will be mostly remembered for in 50 years? He is the guy who rolled over our long term debt into short term debt for the tasty low interest rates, leaving us vulnerable as a homeowner with a variable mortgage to the interest rate rises. The math is that a significant rise in interest rates will detonate the debt bomb, and so it will be avoided at any cost, which will detonate the hyperinflation bomb. This is why billionaires are buying agricultural land, for. one thing.

narciso said...

Well that happened under greenspan twice in 99-01, and 2004-06 the first crashed the tech bubble the second the property bubble

Birches said...

I don't find that passage full of self doubt. It seems to me that Bill has been playing the part of the vulnerable and honest for longer than any of us realized. It's an act and he had already perfected it in highschool.

tim in vermont said...

We are heading for a crisis similar in scope to what the Soviets faced. Once it hits, leaving oil in the ground in California, for example, or canceling mines like Twin Metals in Minnesota, will no longer be acceptable to our new masters. Nor will our regime of only taxing the well off. Lots of stuff will change, "slowly at first, then suddenly."

That's my prediction, chcck in on it in ten yeers.

MalaiseLongue said...

"The Secret Story of How American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win" . . . "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election"

Sometimes the comments just write themselves.

Wince said...

In both the book and the high school essay, was that honest introspection on Clinton's part, or a decades-long humble brag about how he wanted to be perceived?

"I am a person motivated and influence by so many diverse forces I sometime question the sanity of my existence... Most of the time I was happy, but I could never be sure I was as good as I wanted to be."

To the rescue comes the Bill and Hillary Clinton cavalry. The Washington Examiner reports that several Clinton associates have taken up key positions at BLM, including Democratic Party fixer Mark Elias. It was Elias who funneled money to fund Christopher Steele’s discredited anti-Trump dossier and served as Hillary’s 2016 campaign general counsel...

The group [BLM] had raised $90 million and spent less than $30 million on “social justice” causes. The scandal is that no one appears to be in charge of that remaining $60 million.

The Black Lives Matter board members who were supposed to be running the foundation denied they had anything to do with it. CharityWatch Executive Director Laurie Styron said that BLM was like a “giant ghost ship full of treasure drifting in the night with no captain, no discernible crew, and no clear direction.”

tim in vermont said...

"It's an act and he had already perfected it in highschool."

I know a young woman who is getting her masters in Behavioral Psychology, and she has had contact with young sociopaths, and she says that it's extremely creepy, because they haven't learned to totally hide it yet, but that they can also be quite charming.

Howard said...

No Birches. Bill's HS self evaluation was honest and accurate. It perfectly describes his performance as President. Since he was comfortable in his own skin, it allowed him to reach the apex of popularity following his blowjob impeachment.

Unknown said...

I had a Russian client in the mid-90s who was in the business of importing things to the US from the FSU. We had dinner one evening while the Russian presidential campaign was going on, and I asked him about the election. What he said was "If Yeltsin thought there was any chance he could lose, he would not have allowed an election." On the one hand, that's a very Russian attitude toward government. On the other, who knows if he was right?

Rollo said...

The excerpt raises questions about sincerity. Do we take it at face value, or was Bill playing a role in his essay? Was the "good Bill" striving to be decent the real Bill Clinton, or was Bill just giving the teacher what he wanted to hear, or was the role-playing an essential part of Bill's core personality?

I was not impressed by Clinton. He had the luck of being in office during the tech boom and at a time of Post-Cold War euphoria, so things were easy for him. But certainly he was better than Biden.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

tim in vermont said...

In retrospect, I would rather be ruled by a kleptocrat like Bill Clinton, who just wanted to be left alone to steal all he could, and left us alone...

I never liked Bill Clinton, but at least he was smart enough to know that he could only get away with so much before he'd be a political dead duck. Most of the old school politicians, even reprobates like Ted Kennedy, knew this; unlike our modern crop of hacks who seem to think they have a divine right to rule.

Yancey Ward said...

His self evaluation is only honest by accident, Howard. Birches is correct- he was putting on an act in that essay.

Question for the commentariat- how many of your high school and college papers did you keep?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Who is Chuck Klosterman, and why in the world should we believe anything he claims, about anything?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

He did not "go beyond petting with girls"

"Petting" is "hands only".

He got blowjobs, so he most certainly DID "go beyond petting with girls".

It doesn't matter if you're giving oral to her, or she's doing it to / for you, once there's penetration with more than tongue in mouth, or fingers anywhere else, it's more than "petting".

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Howard said...
tightening the NATO noose is his legacy

Isn't it amazing how the biggest "Trump colluded with Putin!!11!" screamers are also the ones most eager to spread Putin's propaganda?

For there to be a "NATO noose", NATO would have to be a threat to invade Russia, as opposed to being there to keep Russia from invading others.

Stop giving Putin blowjobs, Howard

Andrew said...

He didn't inhale. And he didn't ... release.

Even when he went to Epstein's island, he never took it too far.

narciso said...

Heres the thing Russia's history is full of bad czars with fair to midland ones catherine followed by alexander 1st, alexander 2nd followed by his brother

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Oh it's not forgotten in Russia. Almost all politicians along the political spectrum constantly bring it up as an example of how the West is an enemy to Russia or it's people.

Ceciliahere said...

Ever the charming con man, even as a child. He presents himself as a paradox of a person who tries to be good but has that little devil on his shoulder tempting him to sin.. He can’t help himself and he mustn’t be blamed for forces beyond his control. He will not be a hypocrite…but he will learn to be a hypocrite and a compulsive liar.

Then enters Hilary into Bill’s life. They make the perfect match of ambition, greed, immorality, narcissism, etc. The young man cannot resist her and they go on to form a power couple. They will destroy anyone who stands in the way of achieving their goals. Hillary looks the other way and enables his behavior with women as long as she gets what she wants in the long run.
After his time as president, she needs to become the powerful one. So now he enables her behavior as part of the pact. A perfect example of a Machiavellian life story.

Kevin said...

"What does it say about Americans that so many liked that man for so long?"

When they like you, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Sebastian said...

"The person who wrote that passage sounds very likeable."

Even that passage seems a little, umm, complicated. Yes, it shows interesting introspection and self-awareness, but I would also distrust a person who writes about himself that way.

In any case, my question related to the obvious and consistent falsity in all of Bill's subsequent public conduct. But it went over well.

Michael K said...

In retrospect, I would rather be ruled by a kleptocrat like Bill Clinton, who just wanted to be left alone to steal all he could, and left us alone, than true believer kleptocrats like Joe Biden,

You misspelled Ron Klain. Other than that, I agree.

"If we must have a tyrant a robber baron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations. " CS Lewis

Ann Althouse said...

"Who is Chuck Klosterman, and why in the world should we believe anything he claims, about anything?"

He's very good at assembling miscellaneous facts and moving from one thing to another — something like a blog... except that he has some kind of template and is loosely arguing that there was a mood and a way of thinking in a particular time period (the idea that "the past is a foreign country"). You don't have to believe the template is correct, and I'm interested in his presentation in part because I could never write like that. Living through a decade (and I've lived through 7), I don't see the coherence of mood and mindset. There's way too much going on. I can't imagine coming to believe that I knew the real story of what happened in the 90s (the 5th decade I experienced). It's not that I think CK knows either, but I enjoy his review. It's very well chosen, and he makes his argument.

Ann Althouse said...

There's a lot about collective memory and forgetting.

FleetUSA said...

I always thought the Clinton quote "I did not have sex.." might have been saying to Monica he didn't have sex with HrC

Skeptical Voter said...

It's wrong to call Joe Biden a kleptocrat. He's more than that. If Joe you get a twofer. Yes he's a kleptocrat. He's also a kakistocrat.

As for Bill Clinton he's simply a much slicker, smoother, more charming version of the "used car salesman" Richard Nixon.

Mike Sylwester said...

There seems to be a technical problem in the posting of comments today.

Anthony said...

Greg, Klosterman is a writer. He's written a collection of short vignettes that really get the spirit of silicon valley - not in a complimentary way. I've only read one of his books, but it was amusing and horrifying and a little too familiar all at once.

rcocean said...

Its rather disgusting that we colluded with Boris Yeslin to help twart the will of the Russian people. Russia wasn't going to turn back into the USSR - if Boris had lost. As for Clinton being "Deeply Religious", thanks the laugh.

But that's the USA Power Elite. They're all in favor of Democracy - as long as it gets them what they want. Like Trudeau, they're will to bring the hammer down or subvert Democracy and Freedom is that's what it takes.

As for Biden, he's relatively harmless because he's senile. He's like a injured snake. He can't kill you, but that's not because of any good intentions on his part.

rcocean said...

What does it say about Americans that so many liked that man for so long?

Bill Clinton got elected with 44% of the vote. He got re-elected with less than 50%, despite running against 1000 y/o bob dole and the the country being at peace and relatively prosperous.

His popularity is with those who run the media and teach the classes.

Howard said...

Greg the Puritan Hallway Monitor thinks the US military is full of impotent cucks like himself. Since he lives the life of a cloistered nun, it's not surprising that he is completely clueless about the world famous Russian chip on their shoulder due in part to being mostly landlocked and surrounded by enemies.

Sebastian said...

"the concept of interfering with another country’s election (and particularly an election in Russia) has adopted a more sinister overtone"

Not really. Dem interference abroad is fine, Russian interference (even if made up) at home is terrible. These maneuvers are tools, to be judged by the single standard of whether they serve Dem purposes. Of course you could call everything Dems do "sinister," and you'd have a point, but the concept did not suddenly "adopt" a "more sinister overtone." (Hey, Althouse, how does a concept do that, anyway?)

narciso said...

Even with 25 years hindsight klosterman misses the point, its somewhat similar to operation ajax except the payback came much quicker.

iowan2 said...

I am a living paradox—deeply religious yet not as convinced of my exact beliefs as I ought to be; wanting responsibility yet shirking it; loving the truth but often times giving way to falsity

A wide swath of active Church(more than Sunday) members are uncoached in God, and faith.

Faith properly central to your day to day activities, starts with turning all results over to "your" God. Flat tire, cancer, death of a child, Faith in your God that those outcomes have purpose, and are exactly what is supposed to happen.
Honesty is tough, it is way to easy to rationalize small variations of reality. As a large defined group, you will not find more honesty than inside an AA meeting. Why? Because to find recovery you must find honesty and humility. To lie, is to drink, and to drink, is to die. So lying is a death sentence.
Regular people suffer consequences to lying, but not ultimately death.

Joe Smith said...

And yet the raper-in-chief and his harridan wife and dumb-as-a-cow daughter are still worshipped by the Democrat party.

Go figure...

mezzrow said...

deeply...

That's a tell.

Achilles said...

Bill Clinton can rape as many women as he wants and screw as many underage girls on a plane as he can get a hold of.

He is a tribal leader in the democrat party and democrat voters are absolutely loyal to their tribe.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

And Putin remembers.

M Jordan said...

Like Tucker Carlson who recently said he’s embarrassed he flag-waved in support of the Iraq War (among other things) I too at age 68 am able to admit I’m embarrassed at many of my former animosities … like how much I opposed Clinton. It was purely tribal on my part. (Well, mostly tribal.) Today I find much about Clinton I like and think I could be true friends with him. I always am starting to feel that way about my opposition to Obama but definitely not to the same degree.

I think it was in “Antigone” that Creon said, “We learn when we are old.”

William said...

You've got to admit that that's an impressive essay from a high school student. It's even more impressive if it were part of a con job. The man (and boy) had a natural affinity for laying it on with deft twist of the wrist....I recently learned the term "rainbow umbrella". A rainbow umbrella refers to an insight or observation that is true of every living human but which appear to be uniquely personal and revelatory. It's how fortune tellers and horoscope readers make their living....The sins that Clinton catalogs are failings that the reader struggles with, and Clinton judges himself in just the way the reader would wish to be judged. Clinton does a con job on himself, but he simultaneously involves and convinces the reader of the con......"I detest selfishness, but see it in the mirror every day." This is true of most everybody, but it has the ring of an intimate confession arrived at after profound introspection. Bullshit and pithiness are opposing values, but he finds a way to synthesize them.

Bruce Hayden said...

We encounter this remembering/forgetting thing a lot. I have always had a hard time remembering facts. In Jr High I really struggled to learn the geologic eras. Never did get them right. But I was great with theory, and facts that fit into those theories were remembered just fine. Now, I can remember quite a bit of history, because it fits into a framework. Very different than in HS. Probably my worst subject.

My partner is the opposite. She has (or at least had) a photographic memory. She would read something once, then replay in her mind in a test, and inevitably ace it.

So, now, we sit in front of the TV, and she asks me “who is that actor/actress?” I respond “don’t know, don’t care”. She says “Think! Think! It’s good for you”. Except that she is constantly losing things, then usually lies about it. Ok, that is mostly about a gun I gave her awhile back. Esp bad is when she hides things (like that gun). She really can’t forget the big things, no matter how hard she tried. In counseling when her second marriage was falling apart, she told the priest that she could, and did, forgive his infidelities. She just can’t forget them. A quarter century later she still hasn’t. And can’t live with a husband she couldn’t trust as a result.

She wants a car, now that she can see again. Something like her last one (cherry red 500 SL with white interior, that I had to take my shoes off to ride in). I.e. Something fast and moderately expensive. It mostly isn’t the cost (though buying an expensive garage queen that I won’t be able to drive is a concern), but mostly that she couldn’t get out of our subdivision on her own. Phoenix is a monstrously huge city, second in sprawl maybe only to LA (she is fine in our town of 1500 in MT). Right now, we are at the place where I tell her no car until she can tell me how to get home from wherever we are, so pay attention. She doesn’t, of course, so I have an excuse not to buy that car for her.

Narr said...

To MJB Wolf's point at 1059, it's not so much what Putin remembers as it is what Putin and the other leaders may have forgotten or never learned--just how bogawful wars can be.

None of the leaders have any real historical consciousness or understanding, only various delusional ideologies and material interests.




Andrew said...

A little off the subject, but to this day, I still wonder if Bill is Chelsea's father.

And to this day, I still question the official narrative about Vince Foster.

And to this day, I wonder what really went on at Mena Airport, in Arkansas.

And to this day, I think at least a few of the names on the "Clinton body count" list deserve further investigation.

The 90s were a very strange time to be alive, and pay attention to alternative news sources. And some of what I read about the Clintons (from people like Chris Ruddy and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, and magazines like The American Spectator) still ring true to me. Heck, even Rush alluded to these stories. They weren't just fringe.

Because what happened to Trump during his presidency sure points to a group of people in government who are capable of anything.

Call me crazy if you want to.

Mike Sylwester said...

Russian interference in the USA's 2016 election was worse than the USA's interference in Russia's 1996 election for several reasons:

* In 2016, Russia spent literally thousands of dollars buying Facebook ads that mocked our election. For example, one such Facebook ad showed Jesus arm-wrestling Satan, suggesting that Satan represented Clinton.

* There were pings between a computer in Trump Tower in the USA and a computer at Alfa Bank in Russia. The most likely explanation for these pings is that Trump was communicating with Putin about how to beat Clinton in our election.

* A Russian official died in a crash. The most likely explanation is that he was murdered because he knew too much about the Trump-Putin collusion.

* Thousands of Hillary Clinton's e-mails disappeared, which means they were stolen by Russia. Those e-mails showed that the Clinton Family Foundation was an honest charitable organization, but Russia intended to alter those e-mails to show falsely that the Foundation is a corrupt fraud. Russia planned to release the altered e-mails in an October Surprise so that Clinton would lose the election.

* Russia was able to hack the USA's voting machines and thus alter the vote counts.

* Carter Page was a spy for Russian Intelligence, which had photos of Trump watching prostitutes urinate onto a Moscow bed. Page blackmailed Trump by threatening to show those photographs to the public.

* Because of that blackmail, Trump changed the Republican Party's platform platform about Ukraine. The platform change enabled Russia to make Ukraine into Russia's slave country.

* When Joe Biden was compelling Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor, Trump was secretly planning to become the US President and then compel Ukraine to fire honest Hunter Biden from the Ukrainian natural-gas company's Board of Directors. Meanwhile, Hunter Biden was trying to improve that company's legal compliance policies.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Ann Althouse said...
Me: "Who is Chuck Klosterman, and why in the world should we believe anything he claims, about anything?"

He's very good at assembling miscellaneous facts and moving from one thing to another — something like a blog... except that he has some kind of template and is loosely arguing that there was a mood and a way of thinking in a particular time period (the idea that "the past is a foreign country").


Anthony said...
Greg, Klosterman is a writer. He's written a collection of short vignettes that really get the spirit of silicon valley - not in a complimentary way. I've only read one of his books, but it was amusing and horrifying and a little too familiar all at once.

So, he's someone with no real claim to an understanding of Russia, and when he writes:

Boris Yeltsin, the boozehound incumbent, overcame mass unpopularity to win reelection as Russian president, significantly due to assistance from clandestine United States operatives and the support of Bill Clinton. ... there’s a revisionist temptation to claim the role America played in the affair was exaggerated. But it did happen, and it’s almost inconceivable to imagine Yeltsin winning reelection had it not"

The fact that HE finds it "almost inconceivable" is really pretty meaningless.

Yes?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Howard said...
Since he lives the life of a cloistered nun, it's not surprising that he is completely clueless about the world famous Russian chip on their shoulder due in part to being mostly landlocked and surrounded by enemies.

More blowjobs for Putin from Howard.

News flash, Howard: I don't give a damn about the Russians' feelings, any more than I care about the "feelings" of some male rapist who insists he's really a "she", and therefore he should be put in a women's prison, not a men's one

And neither does any other person of sense.

The reality is that NATO is in no way a threat to the territorial integrity of Russia. What' it's a threat to is Russia's ability to conquer and abuse its neighbors.

Being a threat to that is a good thing. The fact that you claim otherwise is just another way in which you show what a sh!tty human being you are

tim in vermont said...
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Mike Sylwester said...

Greg the Class Traitor at 12:16 PM
More blowjobs for Putin from Howard.

I suggest that this blog's monitors pay more attention to Greg the Class Traitor.

tim in vermont said...

Sorry, my post was wrong, the Ukraine situation hasn't gone hot. I guess the war drums the Biden admin has been beating have gotten to me. I will delete the fake news when it posts, if Althouse doesn't delete it first, which she should.

Temujin said...

I remember just a few administrations ago when it was seen as chic and sophisticated of 'others' to use US campaign managers and players to run their political campaigns. We marveled at ex-Clinton and ex-Obama campaign slugs who managed to sell their schtick to Russians, Israelis, and others. James Carville himself worked on campaigns in Israel, Canada, the UK, Brazil, Honduras, Ecuador, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and Columbia. (If you wonder why South America is such an unstable mass with its citizens fleeing for the US, James might have some insight. Heh.)

Mark Penn, Hillary's former manager, went toe to toe with Paul Manafort, Trump's guy and Tad Devine who worked for John Kerry- all of them gathering in Ukraine to 'work on' elections. These guys will work for any side that pays them.

John Anzalone and Joel Benenson, former pollsters for Obama, worked on Ukrainian elections, as well as others in Argentina, Bulgaria, Romania, Israel and Britain. Jeremy Bird, who worked the online organizing efforts for the Obama campaign also worked to remove Benjamin Netanyahu from Israeli politics. Jim Messina and David Axelrod, both Obama's guys, went toe to toe in the UK.

So, we've had impact on foreign elections in this way for years. I'm sure well before Clinton's guys did their work. As for our actual Government doing the work, isn't that what the CIA is best known for? That and missing the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union?

Michael K said...

The reality is that NATO is in no way a threat to the territorial integrity of Russia. What' it's a threat to is Russia's ability to conquer and abuse its neighbors.

I kind of disagree about this. NATO was formed to oppose the USSR, which was expansionary. The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR changed things a lot. Then Clinton sent Jeffrey Sachs to destroy any chance that Yeltsin could succeed in transitioning to a market economy post Soviet. Putin is what Clinton and Bush provided instead.

Why does NATO still exist ? Mainly to extract US taxpayers' money for Germany. The expansion of NATO is an unnecessary provocation to Russia. Part of this is the Democrats' war on Trump. Before Trump came along, Obama and Hillary were trying their comical "Reset" complete with a big red button. Romney brought up Russia and Obama dismissed it.

Then Trump appeared and Russia suddenly became a club to beat him with. It didn't matter that the only connection Trump had with Russia was building a hotel. Democrats don't understand private business. Their idea of private business is what Biden had going with China and Ukraine. So, therefore, Trump had to have some ulterior connections. Hillary would have and probably did. It was easy for her to convince her followers that Trump was a Soviet/Putin agent. It's what they suspected of Hillary anyway. If Hillary was selling stuff like Uranium mines to Putin, it was OK with them and if it involved millions in graft, that was a secret.

Biden is now taking this scenario farther. He is in "Wag the Dog" territory. He has to distract from the litany of failures his regime has created. By "He" of course, I mean the cabal that runs him. So, they gin up a threat of war. Austria-Hungary did this in 1914 and created our modern world, while self immolating. Putin is smarter than Czar Nicholas was so he will get what he wants and let Biden claim credit.

iowan2 said...

Sorry, my post was wrong, the Ukraine situation hasn't gone hot. I guess the war drums the Biden admin has been beating have gotten to me.

The "war drums" being beaten are all Biden PR. They have said the quite part out loud. to paraphrase' When nothing happens it will be a testament to the savvy and deft Diplomatic hand of the the Biden administration'.

All the 'reporting of intel and all the messaging has been way overblown designed to create a PR victory out of nothing but hype. Biden, and the Democrat Party are in a terrible place. +8 months from mid terms, Dems have scant opportunities to burnish their reputation before Independents, that make up 30% of the voters, go to the polls.
It will be hard, to impossible, to know exactly what Biden was willing to trade away in an attempt to keep the electoral slaughter even to past defeats, and not some level of defeat never witnessed in the United States.
Biden is in no position to call Putin's bluff.(but he was never going to invade.)
Remember, yesterday was supposed to be invasion day.

tim in vermont said...

We have tyranny just north of our border. Using the banking system to shut down political debate. It's a joke that we think we are better than Russia.

“A lot of folks said, ‘I just don’t like your vaccine mandates and I donated to this, now it’s illegal, should I be worried that the bank can freeze my account?’” Evan Solomon, host of CTV’s Power Play, asked Lametti.

Lametti, who had previously in the interview compared what is happening to terrorism, said yes, donors should be worried.

“If you are a member of a pro-Trump movement who is donating hundreds of thousands of dollars, and millions of dollars to this kind of thing, then you ought to be worried,” Lametti said.

Michael said...

I like Klosterman and his writings. Yet, The Nineties was off in failing to capture what a wasted decade it was. Clinton is the standard bearer for that. An enormous political talent, he sought the Presidency for no other reason than the glory and affirmation of it all. He could have been great.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Bill Clinton opened the U.S. to China. Prior to Clinton the AK47 was only available thru Valmet, (Finland), at a premium price. It was a high quality product, and ammunition seemingly made of unobtainium. Thanks to Bill, Chinese AKs flowed in at unbelievably low price and their copper clad ammo dirt cheap. Valmet AKs cost more than the AR15 at the time.

BUMBLE BEE said...

As for Chelsea, her cosmetic surgeries have nearly eliminated all traces of Web Hubbell's genetics. The internet photos has been effectively scrubbed, as were the many photos of Hillary's bar hopping campaigns.

farmgirl said...

“I view those, some of whom are very dear to me, who have never learned how to live. I desire and struggle to be different from them, but often am almost an exact likeness. . . . I, in my attempts to be honest, will not be the hypocrite I hate, and will own up to their ominous presence in this boy, endeavoring in such earnest to be a man.”

Those, some, them, their… all references to the very dear (people)… “who have never learned how to live.”

Maybe?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Michael K said...
Me: The reality is that NATO is in no way a threat to the territorial integrity of Russia. What it's a threat to is Russia's ability to conquer and abuse its neighbors.

I kind of disagree about this.


Why? There's certainly nothing you say in the rest of your post that actually runs counter to that.

NATO was formed to oppose the USSR, which was expansionary. The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR changed things a lot. Then Clinton sent Jeffrey Sachs to destroy any chance that Yeltsin could succeed in transitioning to a market economy post Soviet. Putin is what Clinton and Bush provided instead.

And now Russia is expansionary again.

And still an enemy of the US.

There is no territory West of Russia's national borders to which it has ANY legitimate interest in. If there are ethnic Russians in one of those countries who wish to be under Putin's run, they're welcome to sell their property and move back to Mother Russia.

If they don't want to go, then Russia has no claim over, or for, them.

Any more than Mexico has the right to invade America to protect its nationals who are here.

Why does NATO still exist ? Mainly to extract US taxpayers' money for Germany. The expansion of NATO is an unnecessary provocation to Russia.

Bzzt, no.

Saying "sorry, you're not allowed to invade and enslave Poland again" is not a "provocation to Russia", and given what Russia did with the power it got the last time it expanded westward, it's entirely necessary.

Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for US promises to protect their sovereignty. If that protection goes, do you really think that none of the Eastern European countries being threatened by Russia are capable of getting nukes?

Given a choice between "we get enslaved again, and our entire leadership class gets murdered again", or "we get nukes, and promise to nuke Moscow and St Petersburg if Russia ever does anything to us", which way do you think they'll go?

Exactly how much nuclear proliferation do you want in the world?

Doug said...

With the stench of Epstein all over him. I just to muse about the several well preserved fates I could wish for
him.

farmgirl said...

“What Bill Clinton will be mostly remembered for in 50 years?”

Tim- whenever I hear his name- I can only envision him lounging on a satin chair w/a shit eating grin, wearing a bright blue dress and looking w/eyes that seem to say: you know I had sexual relations w/that woman.

Michael K said...

And now Russia is expansionary again.

And still an enemy of the US.


Putin certainly is tempted by the results of 2020 and by the insane provoking by the Democrats after 2016. He has played a weak hand fairly well. Why in the world would Biden's handlers stop fracking and approve the Nordstream II ? Maybe, like Hillary, their bank accounts got some squeeze ? Putin, I suspect, is not about to ignore invitations. He is getting them from the feckless US left. China is doing the same. Now, can Putin trust Xi? I don't know. Thieves are known to fall out. I think most of our enemies are in DC.

Narr said...

Doc K is correct that most of our enemies are in DC--the most dangerous ones, anyway.

As for fears of nuke proliferation, the US simply can't prevent that now--and as has been observed elsewhere, war between the Ukes and the Russians is pre-nuked, what with the Chernobyl sarcophagus serving as a source of dirty bomb makings, if not being a big dirty bomb just sitting there waiting for a convenient wind.

I don't think the Ukes are any more suicidal than say, we or the Israelis or Putin are, but they'd be crazy not to make the most of their Samson option variant.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Michael K said...
Me: And now Russia is expansionary again.
And still an enemy of the US.

Putin certainly is tempted by the results of 2020

Putin's been an enemy of the US since the early 2000s, even when it wasn't in his own best interest to be one(Russia under Putin suffered more deaths from Islamic terrorists than the US has)
He is a KGB apparatchik, still bitter about teh end of the USSR.

He will always be our enemy

by the insane provoking by the Democrats after 2016. He has played a weak hand fairly well. Why in the world would Biden's handlers stop fracking and approve the Nordstream II ? Maybe, like Hillary, their bank accounts got some squeeze ? Putin, I suspect, is not about to ignore invitations. He is getting them from the feckless US left. China is doing the same. Now, can Putin trust Xi? I don't know. Thieves are known to fall out. I think most of our enemies are in DC.

Can Putin trust Xi? About as much as Salin or Khrushchev could trust Mao. Which is to say: no

The enemies we're going to have to fight first are in DC, and academia, and Big tech, and every other place controlled by the Left. But Putin and Xi are still our enemies, and we are going to have to fight them, too

Tina Trent said...

Michael K is correct. The fallout from Jeffrey Sachs' style of faux universalism is how Clinton birthed Putin. Closing off our power industries and making us vulnerable to the Middle East and Russia to appease elitist environmentalists who despise America isn't shortsighted: Biden's people know exactly what they're doing.