January 14, 2022

"China is the world’s oldest surviving civilization, and yet very little material of its past remains—far less than in Europe or India."

"Through the centuries, waves of revolutionary iconoclasts have tried to smash everything old; the Red Guards, in the nineteen-sixties, were following an ancient tradition. The Chinese seldom built anything for eternity, anyway, nothing like the cathedrals of Europe. And what survived from the past was often treated with neglect.... As Jing Tsu, a scholar of Chinese at Yale, observes... China had long equated writing 'with authority, a symbol of reverence for the past and a talisman of legitimacy.' This is why mastery of classical Chinese used to be so important. To become an official in imperial China, one had to compose precise scholarly essays on Confucian philosophy, an arduous task that very few could complete. Even Chairman Mao, who incited his followers to destroy every vestige of tradition, proudly displayed his prowess as a calligrapher, establishing himself as the bearer of Chinese civilization.... The classical style of the language, elliptical and complex, was practiced by only a small number of highly educated people.... A linguist, Qian Xuantong, famously argued that Confucian thought could be abolished only if Chinese characters were eradicated. 'And if we wish to get rid of the average person’s childish, naive, and barbaric ways of thinking,' he went on, 'the need to abolish characters becomes even greater.'... Dictatorships shape the way we write and talk and, in many cases, think.... I still shudder at the memory of reading, as a student in the early nineteen-seventies, Maoist publications in Chinese, with their deadwood language, heavy Soviet sarcasm, and endless sentences that sounded like literal translations from Marxist German—the exact opposite of the compressed poeticism of the classical style."

From "How the Chinese Language Got ModernizedFaced with technological and political upheaval, reformers decided that Chinese would need to change in order to survive," by Ian Buruma (The New Yorker).

17 comments:

rcocean said...

Even the Chinese complain of the Germanic-Marx verbosity and woodenness.

rcocean said...

The NYT's used to have that same quality. I think it was Gore Vidal who said it was written by Germans who learned English as a 2nd language. Today, that's all gone and been replaced by sheer bad writing.

Achilles said...

Chinese people lack the ability to go from a low trust society to a high trust society.

Thus they will have constant societal turmoil.

I will be interested to see if the new lock downs are actually COVID.

I don't think they are. I am hearing rumors of something new.

Drago said...

"Even Chairman Mao, who incited his followers to destroy every vestige of tradition,...

Can't build utopia on top of the ashes until you turn everything into ashes.

Its easy to see why today's democraticals are such fans of Mao.

Drago said...

Achilles: "I don't think they are. I am hearing rumors of something new."

Let's just say that Xi is spending more time then ever looking over his shoulder.

The US might have accelerated this process if the democraticals and their deep state/republican minions didn't bail out Xi after Biden's Earpiece was installed.

gilbar said...

Confucian thought could be abolished only if Chinese characters were eradicated.

But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought

wendybar said...

They sound like the Progressives in America.

Balfegor said...

The typewriter point, mentioned in passing, is almost worth an article in itself. I don't know the Chinese system, but pre-digital Japanese typewriters look slow and impractical compared to English character typewriters. You had to slide a manual pointer across the table to the right character for every single character you typed.

On the other hand, I wonder about the ideological basis for simplifying the characters. I could believe it of the Communists, but Japanese went through a milder simplification after the war (e.g. 學 to 学, 國 to 国, etc.). I don't think the Japanese simplification was tightly tied to an effort to efface pre-war and wartime writing and literature. I think it was primarily about making writing easier. Some Chinese simplifications, e.g. 門 to 门, also just reflect common shorthand simplifications (I think), and are probably ideologically neutral. Nothing's 100% -- there can be multiple motivations. I just wouldn't discount a non-nefarious motivation out of hand.

Narr said...

I heard, with half attention and some months ago, part of a feature on the radio about a breakthrough in the ability to 'type' Chinese. Involves a key- or character-'board,' which sounds like a sphere or ball of some kind that enables skilled operators to write as fast as people can type. There was also some linguistic or other simplification involved of course, but not nearly as much as people have always assumed it would take.

It may all be smoke and misdirection, and I hesitate even to bring it up.

Narayanan said...

rcocean said...
Even the Chinese complain of the Germanic-Marx verbosity and woodenness.
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the point is to lose the thread of the beginning of the argument so that you can conclude whatever you want and later the opposite also

Joe Smith said...

Sounds like Tokyo.

It was fire-bombed flat in WWII.

A friend who had lived there for decades once told me (regarding architecture), 'If it looks old, it's because it's recent but was built to look old.'

Readering said...

Xi's latest language move is to order removal of English language signage and English trademarks in Beijing. (Think Coke, Nike.) Just before Beijing Winter Olympics.

Richard Dillman said...

The modern history of Chinese reflects the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis that the structure and content of language determines
thought and cognition. This theory, also known as linguistic determinism, has a strong form and a weak form. The strong form claims that language determines thought and cognition. The weak version holds that language influences thought and cognition.
The CCP has signed on to the stronger form of this theory, holding that whoever controls the language can control the people's thoughts to some extent. The American left is also attempting to politically control American English by trying to outlaw specific
words and phrases that promote "wrong thought." It is no accident the the left prefers to be called "progressives," a word with semi-positive connotations, instead of being called liberals, leftists, or marxists. Orwell works with this theory at length in "1984."

chickelit said...

Recent China, CCP, is asshole and needs to die out.

Long live traditional China!

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Douglas B. Levene said...

It's curious that the Chinese use pinyn keyboards. The Japanese use romaji keyboards, one of the two syllabic alphabets that they have in addition to Chinese characters. In both, you type the letters that give the sound of the word, and the computer gives you a choice of the several characters that have that sound. This is ridiculously awkward and there was a better solution (which I figured out, knowing nothing, in the mid 1970s), as follows:

Each Chinese character is comprised of brush strokes. There are only about ten different brush strokes. The brush strokes must be done in the proper order or the character doesn't look right. Thus, each character could be defined as a set of brush strokes performed in a defined order. There might be a very small number of characters that have the same brush strokes performed in the same order, but most characters are a unique combination of brush strokes in a defined order. In addition, there are certain characters comprised of less than 10 strokes that are used over and over again as building blocks for more complicated characters. They are called "radicals." So you could have a key board with the brush strokes and the most common radicals on it, and just type characters they way you would write them. Sounds so easy. It never happened, maybe because there were no personal computers in the mid 1970s, who knows.