The one that's getting press is pardons for at least some of "those people from January 6th":
"Another thing we'll do, and so many people have been asking me about it, if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from Jan. 6 fairly," Trump said to applause. "We will treat them fairly. And if it requires pardons we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
The one I'm not seeing, but I heard and would quote if I had a transcript, is that he will rehire all the military people who were let go because they were not vaccinated. And he supports backpay.
Here's the whole rally. Maybe you can find it:
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Fun Theoretical questions
Lets Assume:
That Trump Runs in 2024...
That (somehow) Trump gets More electoral votes than his opponent...
In That Case.... WHAT will the Democrats and the Mainstream Media demand?
Will there; or Won't there be a protest demonstration at the Capitol?
Will there; or Won't there be interference with the vote count?
Will there; or Won't there be violence?
Will it be called "an insurrection"
(ha ha just kidding about that last... It was rhetorical)
The rally had tens of thousands attending, and a thirty mile traffic jam of those wanting to attend. While the event was basically ignored by the media, those attending, and millions watching on networks that broadcast such events, are not going away. They are determined, angry and are pushing back against what they envision as an attempt to remove the liberties demanded by the Constitution. Trump is the most noticeable leader that shares their concerns, and even tilted polls show his popularity is much higher than any other politician.
Attempting to dismiss this many people only makes them more determined. Give them enough determination, and they won't be stopped by petty mandates, and tyrannical officials.
Democrat big money finders know that the only ways to prevent a Trump victory in 2024 are lawfare to make him ineligible (resurrecting a Reconstruction Era Constitutional amendment enacted to prevent Confederate leaders from election) and cheating through ballot stuffing under insecure mail in ballot and ballot harvesting rules. Watch the fury by which the left pushes both in the next 2 years.
Divided government— the Congress controlled by the GOP and the president a Democrat — is looking better and better as my choice for 2024. Of course, I wouldn’t vote for any Democratic presidential candidate but at this point there’s no way I’d vote again for Mr. Trump.
I thought Trump looked better — healthier, more natural — than he did when he was President.
gilbar: "In That Case.... WHAT will the Democrats and the Mainstream Media demand?"
In that case, the McConnells/Romney's etc will do precisely what they did in 2016: join forces with the democraticals to undermine any true reforms or challenges to the establishment state while also helping democraticals craft the first pre-inaugural sham-peachment of a President-Elect.
Importantly, in that same case, the DOJ/FBI would also conjure up another DC grand jury to target Trump's children.
And the above represents the absolute minimum that would occur on the Attack Trump front.
The play-out song was "Hold On, I'm Coming" (Sam and Dave).
Per Wikipedia: "The original title was "Hold On, I'm Comin'", but some radio stations objected to its "suggestive nature", and labels on most copies of the single gave the title as "Hold On! I'm A Comin'""
Trump had the opportunity to pardon them before his presidency ended. This rings hollow.
He also could have pardoned Assange.
"Hold On! I'm A Comin'"
Weren't those the last words of that hillbilly who had such strong feelings for Ned Beatty in Deliverance before Burt Reynolds stuck an arrow through him?
gilbar said...
Fun Theoretical questions
Lets Assume:
That Trump Runs in 2024...
That (somehow) Trump gets More electoral votes than his opponent...
By 2024 we will have had 1 or more new presidents. Harris and Pelosi will be out by then.
There will be an actual civil war in the Republican party. Republicans are going to sweep into power in 2022 and McConell and McCarthy are immediately going to fuck their voters and attempt to demoralize them.
By the time we get to 2024 the entire DC establishment is going to be rolling out all of the stops to cling to power.
I would not count on any kind of actual election being allowed to happen.
Ann Althouse said...
Per Wikipedia: "The original title was "Hold On, I'm Comin'", but some radio stations objected to its "suggestive nature", and labels on most copies of the single gave the title as "Hold On! I'm A Comin'""
Classic.
Citizens who listen to the radio are infants who must be protected from double entendres.
>>Andrew said...
Trump had the opportunity to pardon them before his presidency ended. This rings hollow.<<
No it doesn't. He had no idea - nor could he, like the rest of us, have imagined - the grotesque Democrat manhunts, overcharging and unconstitutional detentions that were coming for these hapless *demonstrators*.
it's hard not to conclude that, with the investigation of electors, and all other panjandrums,
I'm not at all surprised at Trump's hinting that he would pardon these practically innocent people; I have always assumed it. (Not referring to the handful of actually violent ones). It would seem to be all but mandatory for a Republican president.
"Hold On, I'm Comin"
God, I miss that man.
This kind of score-settling works well at the rallies, but in the actual election, he needs to focus on the future. The general public doesn't care about January 6, one way or the other.
"Another thing we'll do, and so many people have been asking me about it, if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from Jan. 6 fairly," Trump said to applause. "We will treat them fairly. And if it requires pardons we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."
Kudos to Trump. I was thinking the other day that he's all worried about himself ("they stole my victory") and how that self-absorption is not a good look for a president. He's not alone, of course. Every human being struggles with self-absorption, self-obsession, self-centeredness. It's one of the primary journeys of a human being, as you go from the fully self-centered baby, who's a selfish little monster ("Feed me! Feed me now!") to becoming less self-centered as we age, and more aware that we need to love others.
I was questioning him in my mind. "Why isn't he worried about the protestors who are being unfairly punished? These are his people! And he's said nothing in their defense." And here he is speaking up for them, as he should. Nicely done. Very presidential.
The media attacks and the Democrat lies that this riot -- which was no worse, and in many cases was a lot better, than all the other riots we saw in 2020 -- was some plot to overthrow the government of the United States is so brazen and dishonest that it boggles my mind. And the treatment of these criminals -- and they are criminals, rioting is a crime -- violates many of our basic Constitutional standards of due process and equal protection. Treat them like you treat all the other rioters! You dishonest fucks.
So kudos to Trump for pointing out this horseshit and promising to fix it. As I said, very presidential -- in fact, way better than most presidents, who typically ignore violations of due process to individual people. Trump's doing better than the lawyers who have been presidents. Lawyers ought to think about that for a while.
Trump had the opportunity to pardon them before his presidency ended. This rings hollow.
The first misdemeanor conviction wasn't until June 2021.
The first felony conviction wasn't until July 2021.
The vast majority of the others haven't even been charged with a crime.
"[Trump] needs to..."
Nobody knows what Trump needs to do.
Trump’s perception of justice and fair play is always at the forefront unlike the sociopathic Democrat leadership who seem to have no sense of either.
I’d rather he didn’t run again, but other than quirky Rand Paul, who can’t win, and DeSantis, who is busy creating a “Free Florida” and caring for his wife, who else is there? Other Republican politicians don’t suck like Democrat politicians, but they don’t connect like Trump.
Tom T is correct. I thought Trump was a very good President and he would be a good President again. But he must not make his campaign about the past or about him. By the time 2024 runs around Biden and his handlers will have made such a mess of things that there will be fertile ground fo Trump to talk about policy improvements for the future. He should downplay talk of investigations and pardons but, once elected, I would love to see him investigate every one of those creeps running the FBI, CIA, NSA and those who abetted the real 4 year long coup. Trump should walk softly on that till elected and then use his big stick to put people in jail.
rioting, the delta house jamboree, while those that burned half the country, down, they get a blank check, then they killed tens of thousands in each state, with an outbreak they paid for, (ala v for vendetta)
Ann,
You should see the picture our president emeritus has in his attic!
Seriously, he does look good. He is also the only president I can remember that didn't look significantly older at the end of his term. Including youngsters like Obama and Clinton.
John LGBTQBNY Henry
and the problem is who will bell the cat, garland does his best vyshinski, while letting the locusts thrive, but just mentioning hillary's crimes were verboten
Jefferson's Revenge said...
Tom T is correct. I thought Trump was a very good President and he would be a good President again. But he must not make his campaign about the past or about him. By the time 2024 runs around Biden and his handlers will have made such a mess of things that there will be fertile ground fo Trump to talk about policy improvements for the future. He should downplay talk of investigations and pardons but, once elected, I would love to see him investigate every one of those creeps running the FBI, CIA, NSA and those who abetted the real 4 year long coup. Trump should walk softly on that till elected and then use his big stick to put people in jail.
Same person. Different posts.
This is a top talking point for the "Lincoln project" wing of the republican party.
They want us to forget the Republicans like Kemp and McCarthy and Ryan and Raffensburger and McCain.
There is no constituency for Chamber of Commerce cuck wing republicans.
Andrew said...
Trump had the opportunity to pardon them before his presidency ended. This rings hollow.
Wow the Lincoln project found this thread fast.
Jefferson's Revenge: "He should downplay talk of investigations and pardons but, once elected, I would love to see him investigate every one of those creeps running the FBI, CIA, NSA and those who abetted the real 4 year long coup."
As we now know with IG Michael Horowitz, there is no one with any authority in DC that will ever, ever, take any steps to hold anyone accountable for the corrupt and criminal steps taken by the establishment republicans/democraticals against Trump.
And if Trump were to run in 2024, win the nomination and win the general election, I suspect there is only a 50% chance Trump would actually be "allowed" to assume office.
Douglas B. Levene said...
Divided government— the Congress controlled by the GOP and the president a Democrat — is looking better and better as my choice for 2024. Of course, I wouldn’t vote for any Democratic presidential candidate but at this point there’s no way I’d vote again for Mr. Trump.
This is so obvious it should be a meme.
Trump got more legitimate votes than any person in history.
There are maybe 1000 people that think like this and 1 of them is posting here with multiple sock puppets.
Achilles- Did you actually read my post? I was giving tactical advice to get elected and then supporting the concept that, once elected, Trump should be very aggressive in his investigations and house cleaning. The goal is to get elected first. And, by the way, I am not Tom T. You are mistaken. Probably not for the first time.
2015: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
2016: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
2017: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
2018: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
2019: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
2020: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
2021: Trump "must not" (insert something here that involved calling out the establishment/deep state)
Jefferson's Revenge: "But he must not make his campaign about the past or about him."
I don't know Jefferson's Revenge intent and I intend no accusation, but this tactic of telling Trump to constrain himself and not call out obviously corrupt and illicit things is now a very well worn tactic.
Andrew: "Trump had the opportunity to pardon them before his presidency ended. This rings hollow."
Oh, the end of the Trump presidency when sham-peachment II was looming and the republican establishment made it clear that if Trump did anything they didn't like the republican "moderates" (democratical lap poodles) would vote to impeach Trump?
Yeah, lets not take into any consideration the what was actually occurring at that time or anything.
Let's all just pretend it was just a typical transition of govt from one party to another.
Unbelievable.
Ice Nine: "It would seem to be all but mandatory for a Republican president."
The vast majority of republicans in DC live in perpetual fear of doing things that seem "all but mandatory for a Republican president".
Look at W Bush: after the debacle of the democraticals attempting to rewrite the constitution and give the democratical controlled Fl State Supreme Court the power which constitutionally resides with the state legislature, tossing out active duty military ballots from overseas (so embarrassing that Lieberman had to publicly apologize) etc etc etc, what is W's first action once in power?
Hands control of writing the Education bill to Ted Kennedy.
Because of course he did.
He could have issued a blanket pardon for misdemeanor trespass and parading, etc. I think this is the first time he's even publicly acknowledged his supporters are in a DC gulag, some held without so much as a bond hearing by DC judges he appointed.
It took him 6 months to utter Ashli Babbot's name. Again, at a political rally.
He still gets his political advice from Andrew McCarthy, Lindsey Graham, and Ronna Romney. Which explains why he just endorsed a swamp never-Trumper for Congress in Tennessee instead of Robby Starbuck.
Sorry if I don't get all warm and fuzzy over what he says he might do 4 years from now.
Andrew said...
Trump had the opportunity to pardon them before his presidency ended. This rings hollow.
He also could have pardoned Assange.
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paperwork by ????
does pardon need paperwork to take effect!
or vocal pronouncement with witnesses sufficient? "[in his breath and voice]"
But Drago, Trump's audience in 2024 is the middle- the middle that deserted him in 2020. Suburban whites, mostly women. He lost them in 2020 to a senile guy who hid in his basement. It was his election to lose and he did lose it. I know there was chicanery involved but it never should have been that close. I want him to get elected and he made a mistake in modulation in 2020 that cost him the election. Calling out corruption is great theatrics but meaningless if you can't do anything about it and he won't be able to do anything about it without getting elected. Don't run him into the Right's Bernie Sanders. An unelectable guy who is great at theatrics and bombast. This is a time for cold analysis and patience before revenge becomes possible.
Jefferson's Revenge said...
Achilles- Did you actually read my post? I was giving tactical advice to get elected and then supporting the concept that, once elected, Trump should be very aggressive in his investigations and house cleaning. The goal is to get elected first. And, by the way, I am not Tom T. You are mistaken. Probably not for the first time.
This is 100% about the past.
The only people who want to forget the last 6 years are the people who have been lying, stealing elections, running Russian Collusion hoaxes, and republicans that have been fucking over their constituents.
McArthy and McConell are the problem here. Kemp. Raffensburger. The Republicans right now in Missouri trying to give democrats more seats in redistricting.
The 2020 elections needs to be fully investigated and audited.
The people who are torturing the J6 protestors need to be prosecuted and jailed.
Everyone in Washington DC who has been profiting from this corruption needs to get the Manafort treatment.
The people that purposely infested retirement homes with COVID positive patients need to be charged with manslaughter.
It is time for consequences.
Jefferson's Revenge said...
But Drago, Trump's audience in 2024 is the middle- the middle that deserted him in 2020.
Trump got more votes than any person in history. He got millions more votes than the first time he ran against Hillary.
Nobody deserted him.
To say this is to lie.
The aristocracy had to count "mail-in" ballots behind closed doors and boarded windows for a week to come up with enough "votes" to defeat him
Jefferson's Revenge: "But Drago, Trump's audience in 2024 is the middle- the middle that deserted him in 2020. Suburban whites, mostly women."
Trump is better off going after more of the working class voters as those suburban women will always be fickle and just dying for the chance to vote for democraticals to prove their "reasonable" bona fides to their "enlightened" and woke neighbors.
You might just as well be arguing for Trump to say things to keep the NeverTrump-neocon-Always Democraticals on board.
Any attempt Trump makes to become a nice John Kasich type is certain death.
Can Trump win by going the other way? Doesn't matter. It's his only path to victory and, given what what appears to be happening demographically and electorally, that is the correct path.
Michael Malice
For decades it had been the role of conservatives to explain to people how their opponents have good intentions.
Jefferson's Revenge: "Calling out corruption is great theatrics but meaningless if you can't do anything about it and he won't be able to do anything about it without getting elected."
By definition, every single candidate that ever ran as the non-incumbent was not in a position to "do anything about it", so I'm unclear as to the utility of that observation.
And as for shagging after the suburban women vote (all puns intended), I'm sure there are zillions of inside beltway consultants who can explain how successful their Scott Walker campaign went (and a thousand other Scott Walkers).
Trump should simply keep running on the truth, for better or worse, at full volume, forever.
Period.
And then let the chips fall where they may.
Not to worry though, there are still lots of Kemp/Raffensbergers and Ducey's and Vos' running around at the state level who will be happy to implement the processes and rules necessary to allow massive democratical cheating to keep Trump from office.
So all this campaign strategy talk is likely hopelessly academic.
Nobody knows what Trump should do.
And what I like even better, nobody knows what to do about Trump.
Trump as threatening candidate, DeSantis as respectable candidate. Trump destroys Dems during primary, and keeps DeSantis on the straight & narrow. DeSantis cruises to victory. Yay.
Drago, the fact is that even when elections are hopelessly corrupt, building actual legitimacy among the American nation (as opposed to the foreign parasites and pedophiles ruling it) is critical. It's how Poland became a stable and prosperous nation after throwing out the Bolsheviks. Your advice for Trump to keep being Trump is really the only path he has: I really thought he'd cross the Rubicon, but our demoralized post-SRS military was and is in no condition to make it happen.
Anyways, regardless of whatever else happens, Jefferson's Revenge isn't merely an idiot, but a hopeless tool of New York finance and the parasite consultant class. Trying to improve on the best-ever vote count for a Republican candidate is obviously asinine. Any candidate who suggests we "move on" or that they "respect the results" of a Biden victory automatically disqualifies themselves in my eyes and among tens of millions of MAGA patriots. JRev really needs to consider what it means that at least ten million people would take a bat to his skull if Donald Trump asked them to- even if half of them would likely do so even without Trump's encouragement.
Geez, I seem to have touched a nerve.
I'm fully aware of what was going on at the time. So what? Trump should all of a sudden try to court favor?
But the paperwork point is true. There may not have been an opportunity for a proper procedure. Yet he still could have written an executive order, pardoning them all, and let the chips fall where they may.
But equating me with The Lincoln Project? That's demented. And it makes no sense at all.
Browndog said...
He could have issued a blanket pardon for misdemeanor trespass and parading, etc. I think this is the first time he's even publicly acknowledged his supporters are in a DC gulag, some held without so much as a bond hearing by DC judges he appointed.
It took him 6 months to utter Ashli Babbot's name. Again, at a political rally.
He still gets his political advice from Andrew McCarthy, Lindsey Graham, and Ronna Romney. Which explains why he just endorsed a swamp never-Trumper for Congress in Tennessee instead of Robby Starbuck.
Sorry if I don't get all warm and fuzzy over what he says he might do 4 years from now.
I agree with everything you said.
Who is your alternative?
A week or so before he left office, Trump was asked about pardons for Snowden/Assange. He said, and I quote "I have one sitting on my desk right now. I'm going to look at it closely."
Paperwork my ass.
Browndog: "Michael Malice
For decades it had been the role of conservatives to explain to people how their opponents have good intentions."
That's such a great quote and so perfectly captures the Bushes, Romney, McCain and all the rest of the GOPe.
And it sort of goes to what we read at Althouse from supposed "reasonable" "thinkers" like a Douglas Levene, who clearly values much more how he is received at cocktail parties by his democratical neighbors and peers than what the left is doing to the republic.
doctrev: "Drago, the fact is that even when elections are hopelessly corrupt, building actual legitimacy among the American nation (as opposed to the foreign parasites and pedophiles ruling it) is critical."
Well said.
If Trump even attempted to shade his commentary it would be so clearly obvious to all that he was "angling" and "triangulating" and "shading" and "looking for compromise" etc etc that he, Trump, would become persona non grata with the building working class critical mass that could represent a long term winning coalition for the republicans, even if Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney despise the working class with every fiber of their being.
mikee said...
Trump as threatening candidate, DeSantis as respectable candidate. Trump destroys Dems during primary, and keeps DeSantis on the straight & narrow. DeSantis cruises to victory. Yay.
And we get what?
A career Republican politician?
And a career politician that will scuttle all inroads with minority and working class voters?
I will give Desantis a chance as VP for 4 years if he starts showing that he can deal with the real problem in DC.
The real problem in DC is career Republican politicians.
forgive him, he ran out of coffee,
just like the phony plea by general flynn that judge contreras, the fire extinguisher that never struck officer sidnick its all vaporware,
Andrew: "But the paperwork point is true. There may not have been an opportunity for a proper procedure. Yet he still could have written an executive order, pardoning them all, and let the chips fall where they may."
I think the more important point is Mitch and Mitt and the rest of the GOPe Schumer-pals made it clear there were sufficient votes to impeach Trump if he did any such thing on the way out the door, which is why McConnell so clearly enjoyed what Schiffty-Schiff and Pelosi were doing on the sham-peachment front.
It was the fact that you neglected to mention this most important of all contextual facts that deserved to be called out. So I did. It doesn't go any further than that though.
Andrew, I'll assume you're arguing in good faith. Blanket pardons would be a truly terrible idea for three reasons:
1) They would absolutely be abused by the FBI infiltraitors in the crowd.
2) That would have been sufficient reason for the FBI/ DOJ to indict Donald Trump immediately after leaving office, if not before, and
3) These people did nothing wrong, and keeping them in jail this long on misdemeanors is completely unconstitutional, though absolutely expected from the Klain/ Garland tribe of Bolsheviks.
I feel badly for those poor people, but not even a Trump stan like myself was going to DC without an assault rifle. Nonetheless, I am grateful: there is no compromise or due process with the rootless cosmopolitans who usurped this country, and there's no point pretending otherwise.
Why are so many of the people who are advocating for "moving on" also fixated on a guy who's not president and hasn't been for over a year?
Asking for a friend...
By the way, the majority of Jan 6 protestors have escaped by denouncing Trump and assuring the courts that they weren't under his influence. It's a typical Bolshevik tribunal, but Trump being too aggressive almost certainly would have resulted in serious jail time for these people.
I don't love it, but you play the game under tyrants. Until you're not playing anymore.
Drago said...
I think the more important point is Mitch and Mitt and the rest of the GOPe Schumer-pals made it clear there were sufficient votes to impeach Trump if he did any such thing on the way out the door, which is why McConnell so clearly enjoyed what Schiffty-Schiff and Pelosi were doing on the sham-peachment front.
This was absolutely the case, with a minor quibble he was also threatened with the votes to never allow him to run for office again.
Still, even at that point he was still on Team Mitch. It wasn't until Mitch gave a floor speech after Trump was gone lambasting him that he finally caught on.
compare and contrast
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/felony-murder-in-a-good-cause-fox-news-edition.php
Browndog said...
This was absolutely the case, with a minor quibble he was also threatened with the votes to never allow him to run for office again.
Still, even at that point he was still on Team Mitch. It wasn't until Mitch gave a floor speech after Trump was gone lambasting him that he finally caught on.
This is what I am counting on.
Absent Pinochet jumping into the race I will support the guy who has already been stabbed in the back.
“Trump is better off going after more of the working class voters as those suburban women will always be fickle and just dying for the chance to vote for democraticals to prove their "reasonable" bona fides to their "enlightened" and woke neighbors.”
The thing here is that this has a very cross party, cross ethnic, advantage. In their worry about keeping their grip on the Black vote, the Dems are alienating definitely the Hispanic vote, and, maybe ultimately, the Asian vote. Defending anti-Asian quotas at Harvard isn’t helping them a bit. Hispanics should be their big worry, and seemingly aren’t. Hard working, religiously conservative, and willing to mostly assimilate. At least the ethnic Mexicans don’t like open borders, nor BLM, Defund the Police, etc. nor do they like abortion all that much. And, maybe more than any other ethnic group, going after the working class vote attracts Hispanics, because so many of them are working class.
@Achilles: Are you calling me a “sock puppet?” You, a coward hiding behind a pseudonym, call me, posting openly under my legal name, a “sock puppet?” Try looking in a mirror.
Sorry if I don't get all warm and fuzzy over what he says he might do 4 years from now.
One thing I've learned about Mr. Trump is that he doesn't actually lie much in his campaign promises. In fact, he is very, very good about keeping them. In 2016, he said that he would pick his Supreme Court nominee from a list. (I didn't believe him). He did just that. Not once, not twice, but three times!
He said he would pick pro-lifers. (I didn't believe him, and I felt like he didn't really understand jurisprudence very well). Not only did he pick three nominees that make pro-lifers happy, he gave a speech at the Walk of Life. Reagan didn't do that. No alleged pro-life president has done that.
Mr. Trump, that guy who used to support partial-birth abortion, turned out to be the strongest pro-life president I've seen in my lifetime.
He still has his flaws, but if he's our nominee? Of course I would vote for him. Happily.
Bruce Hayden @1:35PM has it exactly right I believe.
Hopefully basement Joe was watching and got some tips on how to be President, imagine him gathering one half a % of that crowd.
Remember how stressful the 2016 primary was? Insanely stressful, at least for me.
The 2024 primary is a piece of cake. I don't give a damn if Trump is our nominee, or DeSantis is our nominee. It's already a 2-man race. Everybody else will probably be out by New Hampshire.
Try to imagine all those newspapers and TV stations and CNN, all those liberals who want to tell Republicans how to vote. I kind of think they'll have to say, "vote for DeSantis." Right? That would drive them crazy. Some of them might actually say, "vote for Trump," and try to convince us that DeSantis is the scary one. That whole Democrat program of saying "the new Republican is a Nazi and old Republican is great" doesn't actually work now. Because the old Republican refuses to go away! And there is zero demand for Cruz or Rubio or anybody else. It's already a 2-man race and it's 2022. And the Democrats hate both of our options.
Meanwhile, I'm relatively certain whichever one we nominate will win. So it's a stressful scenario for some people, I guess, but for me, I'm super happy if it's Trump or DeSantis. Both are wonderful and I don't particularly care which one wins. I'm already looking forward to the party atmosphere of the Republican campaign.
Trump expanded his voting base by what? 5 million votes? He lost to a dementia patient by what? 6 million votes?
I assure you Trump appealing to non-traditional republican voting demographics is not the problem.
If that's your thing, Ronna Romney has you covered. They just opened a new office in S. Carolina to court the Native American vote. Proud moment for the RNC.
Governor Chris Sununu begs to disagree:
'The Republican governor of New Hampshire denounced former President Donald Trump's promise to pardon people jailed for storming the US Capitol, breaking from the leader of his own party in a Sunday morning television interview.
Trump pledged to grant clemency to the insurrectionists during a campaign-style rally in Texas on Saturday evening.
"Look, the folks that on -- that were part of the riots and frankly, the assault on the US Capitol, have to be held accountable," Governor Chris Sununu said on CNN's State of the
Union.'
'...He also rejected the idea of Trump campaigning alongside him for his [2022] re-election bid, declaring: "I don't need anyone to campaign with me.
"Endorsements are fine and all that kind of stuff, but at the end of the day I'm a big believer whether you're running for the planning board, governor or president, you've got to look folks in the eye and earn the votes yourself," Sununu said.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10457193/Republican-governor-breaks-Trump-saying-January-6-rioters-NOT-pardoned.html
I watched Walter Isaacson interviewing Sununu on PBS the other evening.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/why-gop-gov-sununu-wont-run-for-the-us-senate-28c1bu/
Never heard Sununu speak before. Aside from him coming across as being on speed, was really impressed. He's not an ordinary politician.
Prospective presidential timber.
Sununu just took himself out of the presidential timber position. The treatment of the Jan 6 protestors is a crime, not what they did.
By the way, I agree it was foolish of them knowing how vindictive Democrats are, especially anything to do with Trump. Even if I lived in Chevy Chase, I would not have gone near the Capitol that day.
The Biden administration has made the mistake of governing according to the desires of the hardcore Democratic base, and their popularity and effectiveness have cratered. More specifically, the Democrats failed to get any mileage whatsoever from their own January 6 retrospective. Voters are selfish; they're concerned about issues that affect them, like inflation, immigration, and urban crime. Trump won by talking about these issues, and he should keep doing so.
January 6, by contrast, is an inside-Washington political-junkie issue. Voters don't care about punishing Trump like the Democratic base wants, and they won't care about vindicating him and his supporters the way you guys want.
Twitter mobs attacking Sen. Sinema did nothing to help the Biden administration achieve its goals. You may not like McConnell or Romney, but we're all stuck with them, and whoever wins the Republican nomination better figure out how to work with them.
StephenFearby: "Never heard Sununu speak before. Aside from him coming across as being on speed, was really impressed. He's not an ordinary politician.
Prospective presidential timber."
He's probably good for 2 to 3% of the republican primary vote....
...and just think what he could deliver in terms of Latino and working class voters!...maybe as much as negative 15%!
The best news of all?
He would be very respectful of democratical colleagues while consistently attacking republican base voters and he would no doubt be pleased to lose with dignity.
He might even garner the strong support of The Bulwark writers and if we are very lucky, the Sununu family could foist another David Souter onto the Supreme Court for us like they did the first one!
Huzzah!
All kinds of "strange new respect" await us....
Tom T: "You may not like McConnell or Romney, but we're all stuck with them, and whoever wins the Republican nomination better figure out how to work with them."
The only way to "work with them" is to sell out the base, sell out to the ChiComs, cave to the EU and curl up in a ball in front of the democraticals.
How about....no!
"Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that President Joe Biden’s promise to nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court was not affirmative action."
Yep, those principled GOPe-ers that conservatives need to learn to work with....
...did you ever notice how GOPe moderates never need to work with conservatives according to the usual suspects?
If a Democrat becomes President, we thought:
We'll leave Afghanistan and the Middle East. Ain't going to study war no more.
We'll be free from Covid.
We'll have lots more money than before due to wage increases
We'll be free to drive to California for great vacations.
Our kids will be having fun as kids again after school with their friends. Little League. Band.
We'll achieve justice for the black community in one year in two easy moves - improve the schools through CRT-based anti-racism 24/7, defund the police, done, done.
We'll achieve the social reform of Latin America so we don't have to be Border meanies.
Russia, China and Iran will fear an America united behind Joe Biden, the unifier.
The Republicans will have no chance in the next election even if they run their strongest candidate, Liz Cheney.
And now? Three more years to see how further Dem plans work out for us.
Three more years.
Three more years.
...did you ever notice how GOPe moderates never need to work with conservatives according to the usual suspects?
Did you ever notice how the TEA PARTY sent a historic class to the House/Senate, only to be quashed by Boehner/McConnell never to be heard from again. I think Joni Earnst is the last survivor (Sen-Iowa), but she was co-opted early on.
At some point you, we, us, have to come to terms with the fact national elections do not change the trajectory of this nation.
Alternative? Beats me.
Wild swan- I miss my early years, too:0(
I don’t ever remember my parents or their friends talking about politics- ever. And back then- families were much more social and communities more cohesive. The more the gov’t sticks it’s nose into daily life- the less cohesive,and it seems the ppl accepting the $$ from gov’t- don’t think we farmers deny the $$ from fed programs, either- don’t notice or acknowledge the splintering and unwillingness to talk about where the drift is coming from. We’ll blame e/other or the other party, but our day to day lives are manipulated in a million minute ways that leave me frustrated.
"Kudos to Trump. I was thinking the other day that he's all worried about himself ('they stole my victory') and how that self-absorption is not a good look for a president.
"I was questioning him in my mind. 'Why isn't he worried about the protestors who are being unfairly punished? These are his people! And he's said nothing in their defense.' And here he is speaking up for them, as he should. Nicely done. Very presidential."
Oh, brother! Trump is only worried about himself. His promising to "treat people fairly, even if it requires pardons" is his naked pandering to his base. Like all demagogues, (or good used-car salesmen, which is essentially what he is), he knows just what to say to hook and reel in his marks, (which is essentially what his base is to him).
Robert Cook: "Like all demagogues, (or good used-car salesmen, which is essentially what he is), he knows just what to say to hook and reel in his marks, (which is essentially what his base is to him)."
Cookie was sold a bill of goods by his commie betters which convinced him that murderous communists did not murder 100 million innocent souls in the 20th century (just ask him!), so naturally Cookie then projects his idiocy onto others.
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