the people making cartoon clouds are so anti-wisp and pro-puff. they fear soft lines so they invent a border as if they were the government. do blurry edges make them soooooooo afraid? wish these narcs would give a little smudge a try. or like get gentle pic.twitter.com/ekp1IJGM67
— liva (@realchoppedliva) December 28, 2021
December 28, 2021
"do blurry edges make them soooooooo afraid?"
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Cartoons are essentially line drawings, purposeful simplification. Blurs are complex as Gauss clearly understood. I don’t see where fear fits into the subject at all. This feels like a meme derivative that is gently wafting over my head.
Inside art...
Perhaps the unnatural drop shadow on the cloud in his example is illustrating how to imply a blurry edge on a cartoon cloud. But again, lines are limited in what they can convey. Shading can imply a blur, but cartoons are often rendered in lines and solid fills without shading at all. I look forward to hearing what Althouse’s artist/illustrator commentariat has to say.
I think I recognize that cloud drawing. Back in the day it was readily available as a ClipArt figure you could paste into a PowerPoint. The thick border is because that’s what’s in the ClipArt.
I suppose a BFA (which is what I’m assuming “liva” has) would draw her own cloud for a PowerPoint. The rest of us would tend to focus on the content.
Lol - when you declare others as anti this or pro that, aren’t you being a bit hard lined yourself?
Cirrus Clouds Matter
It's clouds illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds at all.
Fun fact: atmosphere experts are unable to predict cloud formation in advance because we still don’t understand what the cause(s) of their forming. This admission of the limited understanding we have about our atmosphere often trips up the “science based left” when they go on and on about climate change. There’s still much left to learn before an informed consensus can be reached.
Note: prior post removed to correct dumb spelling error.
Because puff clouds are easier to draw. Derr...
Chiaroscuro from the Italian Renaissance, misty obscurance from Chinese and Japanese, Turner's English countrysides and cityscapes wreathed in cloud and fog. The desire for soft edged clouds is apparently universal across the world, but appears only intermittently.
If I were an Art History PhD candidate, I bet I could write a nice dissertation on whether such artisitic fads have sharp delineations in each culture supporting it, or if the artists sort of edge into and out of the wispy art clouds less rigidly. Nobody wouldn't take it seriously.
long live bell hooks.
Yes, let's encourage the convention of smudging while teaching children to draw clouds. What could go wrong?
Liva thought she was being clever, much as Neil deGrasse Tyson thought he was being clever by explaining that Santa Claus would burn up in the atmosphere if he delivered Christmas gifts all in one night.
Clouds with hard edges have white privilege.
Prove me wrong.
“ Cirrus Clouds Matter”
Exactly. It’s like cumulus is normal and everything else is a variation.
So lemme get this straight: she's arguing for more representational art? And less primitive technique? Huh.
I can get behind that.
It is not a cloud. The delineating edges indicate that this is a piece of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
-Loren
"...It's like cumulus is normal..." No way: that lumpy look, like uncontrollably rising dough, with the threat of wetness to follow? Ewww.
And don't give me those stuck-up stratus-conscious clouds. Or the big bully cumulonimbus.
Cirrusly: there's only one really good cloud up there. Wonderfully refined, icy cool, sparkling in the sun.
Next: A trenchant commentary on the use of radial lines emanating from a yellow disk to represent sunshine.
I've looked at clouds from both sides now,
From near and far, and still somehow,
It's life illusions I recall.
I really don't know clouds at all.
In 1976 my very gay, very hip, very black 11th grade English teacher had our AP class look at pop lyrics as modern poetry. I recall the above from that class, and that just six or seven years after it was made popular by Joni Mitchell "Both Sides Now" was already considered really cliched by callow youth like 11th grade AP English students.
I also recall that when Mr. Troxler found us unimpressed with this lyric, he trounced us with Mitchell's "Send in the Clowns." We deserved it.
In Pratchett's "The Hogfather," the Tooth Fairy has a fortress within a child's crayon drawing, with a yellow circle of a sun, blue sky, a gap between sky and horizon, brown cylindrical tree trunks with green circles of leaves, blue wavy water, orange fish on/above/in the water, and flowers with two green leaves per stem and red petals. Clouds, I think, are omitted from the description.
It is a disconcerting place to those who come to rob the Tooth Fairy, and to those who come to save the Hogfather.
The Tooth Fairy's palace, from outside, is a child's drawing of a house, with a brown crayon square front elevation showing three square, quarter paned windows, a door, a triangle roof, and a chimney with curlicues of smoke.
It is an odd place, well described, and suitable for the story told. Gossamer clouds would just not fit in this world as seen by a child artist.
Edge control is one of the most important skills in painting. The late great master Richard Schmid wrote a chapter on it in "Alla Prima". The winter scene here in New Hampshire looks like one of his haunting landscapes.
I have a working theory that stars are not in fact ”star-shaped” and appear to be points that upon closer examination might be fuzzy dots.
A wispy cumulus cloud represents the beginning and end. As heated air (thermal) rises from the surface it cools and water vapor condenses to create a cloud. While being fed by the thermal the bottom of the cloud flattens out and darkens. Once the thermal dies out so does the cloud.
Soaring pilots love it when there is a sky full of flat bottomed cumulus clouds. They mark lift.
Skew-t charts not only can tell you whether or not clouds will form, they will tell you at what altitude
That clip art exists so you can label it "The Cloud" in a PowerPoint presentation so you don't have to explain exactly which AWS tech stack you're using to remote host vital corporate information.
It's an abstraction to stand in for further abstraction.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
I have a working theory that stars are not in fact ”star-shaped” and appear to be points that upon closer examination might be fuzzy dots.
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Actually, with a very few exceptions----such as relatively close supergiants like Epsilon Auriga e, Betelgeuse and Antares---99% of stars appear as points of light, even through powerful telescopes. They're just too damn far away.
John Scott @ 12:24: What you said.
See also: "dew point" and "adiabatic lapse rate."
In my youth I flew (badly) free-flight balsa-and-tissue model planes. They really showed how thermals work.
If anyone is interested here is write-up of a flight awhile back with some nice pictures of flying under flat bottomed cumulus clouds.
https://socalxc.blogspot.com/2014/09/pine-914.html
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