From "Brutal, brazen crimes shake L.A., leaving city at a crossroads" (L.A. Times).
December 5, 2021
"Crews of burglars publicly smashing their way into Los Angeles' most exclusive stores. Robbers following their victims, including..."
"... a star of 'The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills' and a BET host, to their residences. And this week, the fatal shooting of 81-year-old Jacqueline Avant, an admired philanthropist and wife of music legend Clarence Avant, in her Beverly Hills home.... 'The fact that this has happened, her being shot and killed in her own home, after giving, sharing, and caring for 81 years has shaken the laws of the Universe,' declared Oprah Winfrey.... 'The world is upside down.'... Some wonder if this could be a turning point for California, which for decades has been at the center of the movement for criminal justice reform, rolling back tough sentencing laws and reducing prison populations.... This has set off alarms among activists who led protests, want to see progressive justice measures enacted and hear echoes of past eras when, they believe, the overhyping of crime led to overpolicing and excessive incarceration.
'They're trying to move us backward,' said Melina Abdullah, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles. 'We don't want to move backward; we want to move forward.... We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state... How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
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It doesn't matter what wages are being paid when criminals have decided they would rtather take other people's property than work for a living.
Society reflects the pressures placed on individuals.
It is obvious what pressures and what kind of society the Democrats and their oligarchs are trying to build.
Mexico.
Public safety is Job One for government at all levels. If a government allows criminals to run rampant and prey on the citizenry, then what damn good is it?
"Some wonder if this could be a turning point for California, which for decades has been at the center of the movement for criminal justice reform, rolling back tough sentencing laws and reducing prison populations.... "
…and now is at the center of a burgeoning crime wave. Morons.
So, when thousands of average LA residences, including a much higher percentage of black/brown people than whites, were getting killed and robbed, everything was cool. But now, that some rich and/or famous people are getting hurt, its a Game Changer and MAYBE we need to take action.
It reminds me of NYC and Main Stream media back in late 80s. NYC was having an insane number of homicides, over 2,000 a year, but all of victims were just average joes. So, the MSM rarely talked about it. Then, some niece of Sen. Abe Ribcoff (sp) was killed outside her NYC Condo, and a Stockbroker was raped in Central Park. Result: Newsweek/Time had cover stories along the lines of: CRIME OUT OF CONTROL!
Fourteen arrested at a smash and grab in LA, fourteen released. One was a minor. The other thirteen were released because of a no cash bail policy. The voter approved Constitutional Amendment reaffirming cash bail is held up in court. Meanwhile, the governor tells mayors to “Step up!” and the folks in Beverly Hills only care when it starts happening to them.
When crime finally hits the elites, perhaps then they will recognize that de-funding the police rhetoric along with de-criminalizing actual crime - is a bad idea?
Thank Soros for his funding of the insertion of progressive leftist DA's across our nation. easy peasy in progressive group think bubbles like CA.
The people operating this way are incompatible with a free society.
In order for a free society to exist the vast majority of the population needs to do the right thing when nobody is watching.
The ones that cannot do the right thing need to be exiled, thrown in jail, or sufficiently fearful that they believe it is in their best interests to do the right thing.
Society only exists because of suppression of the incompatible.
A free society requires suppression of barbarians.
The alternative is poverty and violence and corruption that has permeated human societies for thousands of years before ours.
"This has set off alarms among activists who led protests, want to see progressive justice measures enacted and hear echoes of past eras when, they believe, the overhyping of crime led to overpolicing and excessive incarceration."
Crime is crime. You can't buff a turd, but the activists are trying. Broken windows policing has both benefits and costs. The benefits are less crime. The costs are individuals facing the consequences of their actions. Insofar as street crime is concerned (including flash mob raids), it isn't hard to obey the law.
I'm willing to posit that "economic desperation" drives some to commit some certain property crimes. I find it harder to swallow that violence and destruction accompanying property crimes can be laid at the doorstep of "economic desperation," considering that the plight of the economically desperate in the past did not drive them to loot, assault, and destroy even when they did apparently feel forced to steal groceries or some salable item.
I think greed drives a lot more non-violent property crimes, and I think envy and resentment (not necessarily just of what others have, but also of what they are) drive the great bulk of the violent ones. Of course I haven't done any studies; just going on my own decades of empiricism and on historical reports.
It takes “collusion” to do this. I thought collusion was a very bad crime.
Maybe there are some people who don't want livable wage jobs and affordable housing. Like career criminals for example. And maybe they belong in jail.
"How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
A big step would be to take Cesar Chavez's advice, and to clamp down on illegal immigration, reducing the competition for both jobs and housing for unskilled American laborers.
Naah!
Instead it's better to have good intentions, no matter the outcomes, no matter if people become nostalgic for 'Dirty Harry' movies.
It's always about intentions with the left, for instance Michael Tracey posted an excerpt from a book that alleges that Joe Biden made a deal with the mob to create a truckers' strike in Delaware the day before an election, to prevent his opponents ad from reaching voters. He was accused of wanting Trump back for even bringing up these credible allegations of Biden corruption, remember that Nancy Pelosi's father was a mob figure in Baltimore and NYC.
This is why children should be kept away from real power until they have a little experience with the real world.
I used to feel bad for the people who live in such lawless cities. I no longer feel bad and I know longer care that I do not feel bad. This is what they asked for, no DEMANDED, for their cities. Until the people demand otherwise, this is what they get and this is what they deserve.
I'm not saying "good!" but if enough rich and powerful people are hurt, law enforcement will be enhanced
Scott Adams is right, the BBB bill is the ultimate smash and grab.
The driving impetus behind this lawlessness and support of barbarians are the elites wish to go back to more primitive forms of society.
For millennia the aristocracy has imposed rules that they do not themselves follow. The idea that they are not better than the commoner is an affront to their sense of self.
It is similar what drives Ann's hatred for Trump supporters.
Rather than live in a free society where everyone is equal under the law they seek to dismantle our social order in any way they can.
Supporting this lawlessness is their effort to turn our country into Mexico where the aristocracy can be as corrupt as they want to be while using drug gangs to suppress the commoners and serfs.
'They're trying to move us backward,' said Medulla Oblongata, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles. 'We don't want to move backward; we want to move forward....'
Forward to what, though?
Elections have consequences.
Property crime in residential areas is not increasing because shoplifting is no longer a crime. Why commit petty theft in a house which is still a crime when you could steal the same stuff - or equal value anyhow - from a store and not commit a crime? And why would store owners report shoplifting if the police are going to ignore them and the DA will release anyone the police arrest for that crime? The crime statistics are no good. So there's a wave of crime which the authorities decline to call crime and decline to try to prevent. They are creating a "Wild West" situation. There's a a Liberty Valance on every retail block. Moreover, crime escalates. I did not know this would happen but I can see it. Petty crime against store owners is not prosecuted and now major crimes are committed against them. The Soros-type DA simply does not care what happens to citizens and worse and worse happens to them. Does the electorate care about themselves? Probably, they did not think they were voting to "overturn the laws of the universe" but just to let the one who steals a loaf of bread go free. They voted to be at Les Miserables but they won a walk in the Waukesha Christmas parade.
It's one thing when crime affects regular people, but now they're going after celebrities, exclusive stores, in their own homes! "The world is upside down."
I suppose I could be me my usual snarky self and say the people of LA voted for this, but that would be wrong.
My only son - who I love dearly - lives in LA and I’m worried about him.
The people in charge need to wake up and act and protect the safety of the public. No one voted for more crime. And do so with great vigor.
Our progressive activists have labelled Kyle Rittenhouse a "vigilante". That's a stretch nurtured only in fevered minds.
But when police and government(s) fail to maintain order the public does eventually turn to vigilantism. And it's interesting to note that a career criminal with a rapsheet as long as his arm was let loose on $1,000 bail --a few days before driving through a parade at Waukesha Wisconsin killing 6 people and injuring dozens. According to progressives "some car did something". No word yet as to whether the car has been arrested.
Meantime back in Michigan the parents of the Oxford high school shooter have been arrested and will be released upon posting a one million dollar bond.
At some point people will say, "I've had enough" and will act.
It finally is reaching those funding this insanity. It will be interesting to see what happens now. How many walls and bars does Oprah have in her mansion?
It's not economic desparation - what a load of crap. It's a % of the underclass raised with no morals and legal system created by progressives that Now says its Ok to rob and pillage and even if you are stupid enought to get caught at the scene (because we're not going to investigate) we'll let you out on bail. Talk about a strategy to detroy the country and set race relations back 25 years. I don't believe in conspiracies (generally) but hard to image people funding this crap (like Soros and China) don't just want to accelerate the collapse of U.S. power, which means the world will burn (the U.S. aint going to stop it and won't have the power or influence if it wanted to). Going to be an interesting decade. I would bet even money we will see nuclear weapons used in next 10 years.
How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
I know I know!!!
Defund the police!!
Yes?
Quote:We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and
No no no no no no... that is the type of deluded thinking that has given Californians this crime. From Jerry Brown's "prison realignment" of 2011 (AB109) to Props 47 & 57 and the election of Soros' pet DA's, Frisco's Boudin and LA's Gascon, what you have is career criminals who have looked at the cost/benefit ratio of property crimes and have happily decided to engage in greater and bolder crime.
I watched this real time from my position as Chief Clerk in the San Bernardino County DA office (retired Jan 2020).
When you enable behavior X you get more of behavior X.
If the people of California want to continue prioritizing the wants and needs of criminals over the wants and needs of the law abiding, they need do nothing more than continue electing Democrats. Conversely…naah, that is what they will continue to do, no matter what. Nobody wants to favor those poopy Republicans, now do they, no matter what.
"This has set off alarms among activists who led protests, want to see progressive justice measures enacted and hear echoes of past eras when, they believe, the overhyping of crime led to overpolicing and excessive incarceration."
This IS progressive justice. This what you created. Enjoy!
We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state...
If your operating assumption is that these crimes are driven solely, or even mostly by economic desperation, then you’ve already lost. The world has always had people who’d rather use force and violence to take from people, rather than earn on their own. You have to work on both the people who would be honest if not desperate (reelect Trump to fix the economy!) and scare crap out of the violent.
Some people will fight recognizing reality while the world burns around them. Recent and past history is filled with examples of such people. You can’t prevent them from existing but you can recognize and mock them for their ignorance. It’s one thing to decry policing and inequality; it’s another thing to defund and demoralize police leading to a spike to violent and destructive crime against random people and then claim it’s due to economic hardship and that you need to do more of your original policies.
We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state... How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'
Again, the seductive excuses for why local officials aren't incompetent, there's just all these other reasons out of their control why their jobs are impossible.
I'm not saying good jobs and affordable housing aren't worthy goals. But people shouldn't have to wait 10 years to be safe in their homes and shops. They can and should enjoy that now and activists and civil servants who try to shame ordinary people for wanting public order are bad people.
California wanted this outcome. And they should get it. Gooder and Harder. (I say this a California resident from 1974 - 1998. But not anymore.)
I'm not saying "good!" but if enough rich and powerful people are hurt by criminals, law enforcement will be enhanced for everyone.
One creates affordable housing by building it for a profit, as a dirty stinking exploitative capitalist pig dog. If government prevents that, through overregulation, zoning, taxation, then government gets to play the role of general contractor and landlord in subsidized housing, which is also built by dirty stinking exploitative capitalist pig dogs, the same ones who would do it for a lower price but for the government intervention.
Odd, that government never, ever, ever sees themselves as a "cost added" rather than a "value added" in these situations.
If they're really concerned, and not just posturing, I'd suggest that their first step should be to read Hoffer's "The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements," and their second step should be to look into a mirror and ask, "Is he writing about me?"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15916.The_True_Believer
Gee, that's too bad.
But I rather think that most of the bien-pensants gathered on the promenade deck still haven't figured out what's happened, what is likely to happen next, and how much hangs in the balance. In many ways I think it's too late. Any sudden interest in tough new laws and "refunding the police" and installing DA's who might actually care about law and order, is going to produce lots of noise and cost lots of money, but isn't going to have much effect. The animals who have come out into the streets and are now emboldened to prey on their benevolent sponsors and the merely law-abiding, will not be discouraged quickly or cheaply.
See also Catastrophe Theory. Or Hemingway's famous description of how bankruptcy happens: "Gradually; and then quite suddenly."
Where is Marx when you need him:
Lumpenproletariat, (German: “rabble proletariat”), according to Karl Marx in The Communist Manifesto, the lowest stratum of the industrial working class, including also such undesirables as tramps and criminals. The members of the Lumpenproletariat—this “social scum,” said Marx—are not only disinclined to participate in revolutionary activities with their “rightful brethren,” the proletariat, but also tend to act as the “bribed tools of reactionary intrigue.”
"How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?"
I'd suggest that you stop helping and get out of the way. Then implement a strategy of "tough love".
I was going to comment that California has no mechanism with which to reverse it’s decline, but that just seems incredible to me. Despite the last 50 years. There must be a point when the broad masses have finally had enough.
When the point is reached, Beverly Hills doucheoisie and BLM thugs will continue to babble the same crap they babble now.
Californians discover their skin is actually in the game. Might be more careful with political posturing in the future. ... or not, and they'll let themselves be murdered to prove some currently-fashionable progressive point
Sounds awful. Rich powerful people suddenly care.
You know what else creates property crime? Making it easy.
AOC says These things NEVER happened! WHO are you going to believe? ME? or your lying eyes?
GOP, businesses slam AOC for doubting existence of smash-and-grab robberies:
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said 'a lot of these allegations of organized retail theft are not actually panning out'
Not backwards, but "back to the future." If you're following your GPS and realize that you are clearly going astray, you turn and go "backwards" to where you got off track and then follow the correct route to your destination. Progressive Democrats should be advised before they find themselves at the bottom of some cliff.
Maybe Oprah should just give everyone a car.
"The Laws of the Universe".....Sheesh
Whether poverty is a cause of crime is debatable. What is less debatable is the fact that crime causes poverty. Instead of wondering how we can create employment in economically distressed areas, perhaps we should wonder about how one can make economically distressed areas places where businesses want to be located.
The evidence is mounting that Black Lives Matter may have the net effect of fewer black lives and more black poverty.
>>We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime
I arrested a fair number of folks for property crimes. I don't recall any stealing bread to feed their children.
The smash and grabbers hitting upscale stores in LA are just taking advantage of a system that will not punish them. I doubt they are in economic desperation.
1. "Well, really. It was one thing when this sort of thing was a problem for poor people and small business types - but now it is happening to People Like us. Quelle horreur!" - longer Oprah.
2. Unlike, say, abortion, criminal justice reform seems to be an area where people of good faith and good will with different views should be able to meet somewhere in the middle and agree on policies that are effective but not oppressive. That this does not seem to be the case makes one wonder just who is and is not acting in good faith.
"We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime"
They are all Jean Valjean.
... California, which for decades has been at the center of the movement for criminal justice reform, rolling back tough sentencing laws and reducing prison populations ...
That movement caused this brazen crime.
We need...How do we...How do we...
Maybe forget the "we" and concentrate on what it takes to raise responsible, productive human beings. Make each person responsible for self. Encouraging mother & father families, teaching morals, ach...but none of that is allowed anymore, is it?
'The fact that this has happened, her being shot and killed in her own home, after giving, sharing, and caring for 81 years has shaken the laws of the Universe,' declared Oprah Winfrey....
Does Oprah Winfrey think that a life of good deeds gives one a kharmic shield against the actions of common criminals?
We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state...
And here we have bluntly stated the major difference between the post-modern Left and the rest of us: The rest of us believe that human evil is impossible to remove from the human heart, that good & evil are simply two sides of the same coin of Free Will, and no amount of social engineering can fix it. As Solzhenitsyn aptly puts it:
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either — but right through every human heart.
How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?
Shorter LA Times: The criminals and the murderers are the real victims.
"Welcome to the party pal"
The cycle of leniency, increased crime, calls for criminal crackdowns has accelerated from decades to less than two years.
We are an efficient people.
Only when the pain comes home to Beacon Hill, Nob Hill, Forest Hill, Beverly Hills, Martha's Vineyard, the upper East side and all the toney blue areas of the country will change happen.
Progressivism comes home to roost.
Advocates of criminal justice reform have the causation order exactly backwards. There can be no improvement in jobs in the inner city when crime drives out businesses. There can be no improvement in housing when people with a choice won’t live in large parts of the city. There can be no improvement in the preference for drug culture and criminal behavior when kids grow up seeing only criminals getting ahead economically. Only by removing criminals from cities can people see that abiding the law, working a job to make an honest living, and giving back to communities is a rewarding way to live one’s life. The system is not broken. The people are broken. Virtue starts within the hearts and souls of individuals. This is the endless struggle between right and wrong, good and evil. Only when the majority choose good will things change. Groups like BLM are on the side of Marxist destruction doing evil under the claim of doing good.
Now that communities that pay by far the most in taxes to the state and the counties are getting what they voted for things will either change or there will be an even further exodus of the top taxpayers leaving CA or at the minimum to areas of the state where the urbans aren't likely to pillage.
Of course the obvious solution to violent crime is to not enable it. Simple things like denying bail to someone with outstanding warrants, already on bail for other charges and having the violent criminal serve out all prior convictions sequentially will reduce the number of hardcore violent criminals in the streets.
Regarding yesterday's threads on the Supreme Court perhaps one way to reverse part of the Left crazy that has damaged so may states is for Congress to void some of the rulings that that are at the core of the problem. Namely the two decisions on voting from the sixties that concentrated voting power to the urban areas and diminished the rural counties to irrelevance. If the status of the counties in the state senate's were to be back to what they were prior to the rulings the state legislatures would be far less progressive and the states far better governed.
Only "property crimes." Reminds me of people here constant crying about their comrades being charged with only "process crimes." Arson, armed robbery, car jackings, perjury, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, etc., What's the bid deal?
The BLM woman sounds like one of the social workers in the Officer Krupke song for the new West Side Story.
'The world is upside down.'
Not at all. Right side up, as far as progs are concerned.
"'They're trying to move us backward,' said Melina Abdullah, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles."
So she is acknowledging that most of the "brazen" crimes are carried out by blacks, right?
"We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime"
The "desperation" of not having what others have, now slightly fueled by the euphoric sense of opportunity without sanction.
Oh, those poor fucking criminal. Who would ever have anticipated that criminal justice reform could lead to such things? “How do we create livable wage jobs?, asks BLM.
Easy peasy, Melina. Just turn out black precincts to depose the man whose policies provide jobs and elect QuidProJoe, the Grifter. Also, acknowledge the obvious, committing strong arm robberies, looting and murder is much more enticing than working for a living. In your world it’s called the “revolution of the proletariat.”
In the real world it’s called the unobstructed ascension of the criminal class. It is also a sign that government by Democrats fails in its foremost responsibility, protection of its citizens.
Congresswoman AOC said so called “smash and grab” attacks are an elaborate hoax.
A clear sign, she’s testing the waters for the nomination. 😉
When I read about these roving bands of criminals taking charge of a city and stealing with impunity, while the police are rendered helpless, I picture the dark, gritty underworld of Gotham City from the Batman franchise... the only difference seems to be some clever name/identity for the head criminal and an outrageous costume for the latter... oh, and a Batman figure to come and save the day.
The political class only worries about stuff when it effects them or people they know. Notice how Oprah and company don't even notice the number of black (or any color really) lives taken on an average weekend in Chicago. Nope, those lives don't matter. Ah but the life of someone they may have met at a fundraiser is suddenly a tragedy worth talking about. These shits only care about their own.
"The fact that this has happened, her being shot and killed in her own home, after giving, sharing, and caring for 81 years has shaken the laws of the Universe," declared Oprah Winfrey, expressing her grief over Avant's killing to her 43 million Twitter followers. "The world is upside down."
"Laws of the universe"? Like when you support looting and rioting, refuse to punish looters and rioters and get more looting and rioting? Those kind of universal laws?
A city at a crossroads? What two paths are on offer to choose between?
It seems to me -- again as ever -- the media is doing a terrible job communicating positions for rational discussion, as opposed to headlining accusatory slogans provoking outrage and violence.
BLM had some pretty reasonable proposals for improving police operations. Most of those were obscured by headlines about "Defund the Police".
Just before, more traditional reforms started off with operations based on actual results -- "Data Driven Policing". This quickly morphed, in news coverage anyhow, to "Broken Windows Theory" and "Stop and Frisk".
If the road signs at the headlined intersection offer only pointers to "Stop and Frisk" versus "Defund the Police" the voters taxpayers and rank and file leaders will be lost worse than ever.
How do we create livable wage jobs?
First, a question: who's 'we'? There are lots of people who create jobs all the time. Do you view this as some kind of a group project? What's your role? Grifting for government money?
Answer to original question: 'we' in general don't create jobs, 'livable wage' or not. Individuals, or business organizations, create jobs by setting up businesses that sell some good or service to someone else (for payment by that other person... not the government) that is wanted or needed by that person. If by 'we create livable wage jobs' you mean 'how do we get government to set up more government jobs that suck up our nation's wealth', then you are looking in the wrong place for addressing this issue. And if you are positioning yourself to administer these unneeded government jobs for big taxpayer $, then you are the grifter.
How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?
Not by smashing up stores and shooting old ladies, I'm guessing.
I profoundly dislike Oprah.
She's useless, but carries a big megaphone. She likes to stir up female discord.
She's the scene in "Blazing Saddles" where the Mel Brooks character says "I didn't hear you harrrrumpf"!
Elect criminal-loving D.A.s, win the criminal sweepstakes. When will George Soros be held accountable for his crimes?
'They're trying to move us backward,' said Melina Abdullah, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles. 'We don't want to move backward; we want to move forward.... We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state... How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
1: BLM is the one going "backwards", the the soft on crime policies that have prepeatedly proved so disastrous.
2: Probably the desperation created by being born to a teenage mother on welfare, with a "father" who doesn't stay around, and a "school" system that insures you won't be educated.
All these are Democrat policies. So, when you're ready to vote GOP, let us know. until then? you don't give a shit about stopping the crime or "addressing the root causes"
Go long on bullet-proof glass.
Sell short Maps-of-the-Stars' Homes.
“... they believe, the overhyping of crime led to overpolicing and excessive incarceration.”. Bwahahahaha!
They don’t believe that. The level of victimization in back communities is a red flag for anyone with a brain. Crime is kept in check by policing and incarceration. Crime unchecked is, well, unchecked crime.
Or maybe it is rocket science to BLM, CJ reformers and their pimps on the left.
For most sane people, 'criminal justice reform' meant not giving black kids 20 years for dealing weed.
But (as always with the left) they pushed it all the way to giving murderers time served, and $1,000 bail before the trial.
Give lefties an inch and the take a light year, every fricking time.
This is why 'conservatism' has been dying a slow death.
Nice clickbait for your deplorables to make them hate California and the Libs more, Ann. This is exactly the type of tripe Steven Pinker talks about on the recent Joe Rogan podcast where you focus on the pedo porn.
From a Guardian opinion piece Pinker wrote a few years ago:
The nature of news is likely to distort people’s view of the world because of a mental bug that the psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman called the Availability heuristic: people estimate the probability of an event or the frequency of a kind of thing by the ease with which instances come to mind. In many walks of life this is a serviceable rule of thumb. But whenever a memory turns up high in the result list of the mind’s search engine for reasons other than frequency—because it is recent, vivid, gory, distinctive, or upsetting—people will overestimate how likely it is in the world.
We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state... How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
Criminals don't commit crimes because they are desperate. They commit crimes because they are greedy, stupid, and have high time preferences.
Total BS.
The 'desperation' excuse ignores the majority of people in the same circumstances who do not choose crime.
SF has an epidemic of car break-ins because the police are constrained from responding to crime.
California had reduced the penalties for crime. The Three Strikes law actually worked, but then some people got pissy about "mass incarceration". There is an alternative for people- don't commit crimes!
The homeless are all over because (1) climate and (2) the money and support the City gives them. We have spent a lot of money on the homeless, but there is more and more of them every year. I see the money going to support groups owned by spouses and cronies of the people in the SF government, but nothing going to house anyone. Which doesn't help because they have a few commonsense rules to follow for a free bed.
During the pandemic, SF mayor London Breed paid a lot of sent home city workers to fulfill their 'Disaster Service Worker' status to bring food, alcohol, and drugs to some homeless living in hotels. It's unbelievably messed up here.
People getting what they voted for good and hard.
Manhattan workers warned not to use public transit. Is this the new normal?
Why do democrats continue to vote this upon themselves? I really am perplexed.
One of the problems with activists is that they act as though economic desperation is the only possible cause of property crime. That's the sort of thing that you need a college education to believe.
Aww, the crime tsunami hit home with black royalty. I feel so bad.
As far as Ms. Abdullah's remarks:
"We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man. There is nothing progressive about being pig-headed and refusing to admit a mistake."
-- C.S. Lewis
it is not the crimes that bother me so much - it is that sheep-people are not fighting back and don't know how
Yeah! This is what happens when you allow the dregs of society commit crime with no punishment. Morons!
I am hoping that all is well in MeadeHouse world.
The lack of updating is unusual and concerning.
Let 'em try that in Texas.... and see what happens.
Violent crime has jumped sharply in LA, as it has in other cities. Much of the violence has occurred in poor communities and among vulnerable populations, such as the homeless, and receives little attention.
You’re the LA Times. If you had the slightest interest in serving your community, you’d have already published multiple, in-depth reports on crime's disproportionate effect on poor communities and vulnerable populations. Instead you wait for a rich person to die and Oprah Winfrey to give you a quote.
Oprah Winfrey hasn't given a shit about all the murdered in her hometown--carnage every weekend--ah, but now that one of her class gets it, hello outrage.
It's like people who lose their faith when something bad happens to a loved one--faith that somehow survived knowing that history is drenched in the blood and agony of innocents.
Just one small step at a time and eventually you're over the precipice. How many years before order is restored? It won't be easy...
How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?
Here be an expression of the statist agenda -- Uncle Sugar must provide the stuff we want. Answer: End government distortion of capital / labor / housing markets.
Go ask former tenants of Cabrini Green about the glories of their affordable government housing.
"The fact that this has happened, her being shot and killed in her own home, after giving, sharing, and caring for 81 years has shaken the laws of the Universe,' declared Oprah Winfrey..."
It's not just the New Agers using 'the Universe' as a substitute for God, though it may be due to the pervasiveness of New Age lingo these days. But the Universe is nasty, brutish, and might drop a space Rick on your head at any time, so I don't see any laws in operation.
"'The world is upside down.'... Some wonder if this could be a turning point for California, which for decades has been at the center of the movement for criminal justice reform, rolling back tough sentencing laws and reducing prison populations.... This has set off alarms among activists who led protests, want to see progressive justice measures enacted and hear echoes of past eras when, they believe, the overhyping of crime led to overpolicing and excessive incarceration. 'They're trying to move us backward,' said Melina Abdullah, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles. 'We don't want to move backward; we want to move forward.... We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state... How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
Facts not in evidence. The motive isn't economic desperation, as evidenced by the uptick in these crimes directly related to changes in prosecution and enforcement, plus the enablement by Antifa bad actors.
I have seen no evidence my fellow californians have the mental ability to fix this. They are too soft headed to see where their soft on crime sympathies have made things much worse for poc and everyone else for that matter.
"Economic desperation creates property crime." This wasn't a property crime, BLM idiot. It was a robbery, a crime against person felony. I just watched The Black Godfather recently. A doc about Clarence Avant. His beautiful wife[one of the 1st black fashion models] was prominent in the film. A smart, beautiful, graceful woman. Reminded me of Rachel Robinson, Jackie's wife.
“How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?”
You certainly don’t do the former by destroying the businesses that have the temerity to set up shop in these neighborhoods. On the other hand, as more businesses get destroyed in riots and robberies and crime skyrockets with receding policing, these neighborhoods will become increasingly “affordable”, if not particularly livable.
"Crews of burglars"........Is crews of burglars a euphemism for Negros?
...and the they weren't looting because....that refers to race.
I hope all is well and you’re enjoying your Sunday.
Not gonna say I’m worried: nope. You owe me nothing, ever.
Do u know who else reads Substack?
Russell Brand
https://youtu.be/iCjx2ZBcXw4
I’m sorry my links aren’t a live wire- some things are out of my realm- especially the realm of tech
People driving up in their cars to steal luxury goods for resale are not driven by economic desperation. And the way to create good paying jobs is to provide safe, clean streets that attract people with wealth to live and work in your city.
They keep doubling down on ideas that have not held up. Affordable housing will have no impact on violent crime. None.
Achilles at 10:10 am says, "In order for a free society to exist the vast majority of the population needs to do the right thing when nobody is watching."
This is an important insight, and one easy to overlook. For our society to operate, we do rely on people behaving nicely.
Here's an example: In my east coast suburban Dem voting (by a huge margin) community, a group of (perhaps) 200 or so motorcyclists and car owners decided to have drag races along a main thoroughfare (US Rt. 1). The police were unable to stop them. What exactly would police do? Shoot to kill? Shoot to disable the vehicles? Put down "tire-busting strips" that would cause the drivers to lose control, endangering the drivers, and others nearby? Maybe some commenter will propose a good solution, but I've racked my brain, and I don't see an obvious enforcement mechanism. Oh, I know people will say: "speed cameras" but why would a group of drivers who intend to break laws fail to remove their license plates?
What we are left with is: if there is even a small coordinated group who is organized and committed to causing public disruption, they can almost certainly do it and get away with it.
I don't mean to compare, in terms of seriousness, the "crime" of interfering with my sleep for a short period to the serious crimes reported here of property damage. What I mean to point out is that we have effectively (if unintentionally) communicated to the criminal fringe that they can behave in a manner that is anti-social, and if they do it in an organized way with a sufficiently large group of cooperators, there is nothing we can do about it.
I am concerned that the backlash -- either through official police action, or through non-police vigilantism -- could be very unpleasant. It's sort of the flip side of "broken windows" policing.
"I am hoping that all is well in MeadeHouse world.
The lack of updating is unusual and concerning."
Yes because a married couple really has nothing better to do on a quiet Sunday than update the comments on their blog. It's called having a life.
The Morlocks devour the Eloi.
"Nice clickbait for your deplorables to make them hate California and the Libs more, Ann"
Using rhetoric to whip up anger and hatred is your gig, and you don't like people horning in on it. Except the difference is that your rhetoric is dishonest, more often than not.
These kinds of things have been going on forever, they are nothing new or unusual, and therefore not newsworthy? Is that your take? Or you don't like seeing the stories because they reflect poorly on the leadership in these cities, and as they are Democrats, this should not be allowed? Just curious.
There's one easy little thing that would help a lot: the courts should publish the names, home-towns and neighborhoods, and mug shots of the 14 people arrested in the smash-and-grab raids. I don't see how that would be illegal, except for the one minor, and I'm not even sure about that: we all know the name and face of the Michigan school shooter, who's only 15.
Once we know exactly who has been caught looting high-end stores, it should be very easy for reporters to find out whether they're motivated by poverty, or greed, or arrogance, or psychopathy, or what. (Maybe not entirely safe to ask them about their crimes, but easy in every other way.)
I suspect most of them came from relatively comfortable backgrounds and that some have (or have had) decent-paying jobs. As I recall, quite a few violent BLM/Antifa scum have turned out to be well-paid government employers, often teachers of young children. I wonder if any have famous and/or successful parents.
Black columnist in SF Chronicle now complains how uncomfortable and difficult it is for him to go "shopping while black." Okay, but if he's just like everybody else shopping, that is, not wearing a hoodie and shades with his mask, he ought to be okay with the store staff. But wtf? Talk to your brothers, brother. The store staff didn't put you in that position, they did.
cassandra lite said...
Oprah Winfrey hasn't given a shit about all the murdered in her hometown--carnage every weekend--ah, but now that one of her class gets it, hello outrage.
Oprah was born and lived in the rural town of Kosciusko, flat dab in the middle of Mississippi, (Population 6,552) until age 23. It does appear that Kosciusko gets some shooting death incidents every five or so years. But you may be surprised that last year she made a substantial donation to the Boys and Girls Club of Kosciusko which serves meals to 1500 kids per day. I am not an Oprah fan but she has always been generous with her money. When her Mississippi town got cash, it was part of a total of $12 million spread to places she lived - Chicago, Milwaukee, Nashville, and of course, Bawlmer.
What's this "when one of her class gets it?"
"We need to think about what kind of economic desperation actually creates property crime and how do we get people out of that state... How do we create livable wage jobs? How do we create affordable housing?'"
This is such a Marxist attitude - only capitalism creates crime. Many will not know that the Bolsheviks actually believed this and emptied the prisons of criminals when they took power (not just to make room for politicals). Soon changed their mind.
They don't care about the impact on people. I sometimes wonder if they're paid off by criminal gangs.
Progressives like AOC are fine with this. She claims they do this because they are starving and stealing bread. (she is blind, deaf and dumb) That's why progressivism is regressive. They really are backwards folks. They live in an alternate universe than normal people. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-ocasio-cortez-crime-nyc-shoplifting-bread-hungry-20200712-4ga4tm6vzze7ricmk2o2er4iwa-story.html
gadfly said:
What's this "when one of her class gets it?"
YOU know damn well cassandra lite was talking about all the black on black murders in Chicago that happen daily. Obama doesn't care about them either. He high tailed it out to his ocean front mansion in white Nantucket, whilst Oprah ran to Montecito California with Harry and Meghan. Both are RACIST hypocrites who bitch about whites but do nothing to stop blacks from killing.
The dumb big mouthed little girl from Westchester County, who claims she is from the Bronx says this is fake news. She is ignorant, and she lies to people who believe the shit spewing from her big mouth. SHE is a disgrace, but then...what progressive isn't?? Time to send progressives scurrying back under the rocks from which they came from....https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/aoc-slammed-comments-smash-and-grab-thefts
"Achilles at 10:10 am says, "In order for a free society to exist the vast majority of the population needs to do the right thing when nobody is watching."
This is an important insight, and one easy to overlook. For our society to operate, we do rely on people behaving nicely.
Here's an example: In my east coast suburban Dem voting (by a huge margin) community, a group of (perhaps) 200 or so motorcyclists and car owners decided to have drag races along a main thoroughfare (US Rt. 1). The police were unable to stop them. What exactly would police do? Shoot to kill? Shoot to disable the vehicles? Put down "tire-busting strips" that would cause the drivers to lose control, endangering the drivers, and others nearby? Maybe some commenter will propose a good solution, but I've racked my brain, and I don't see an obvious enforcement mechanism. Oh, I know people will say: "speed cameras" but why would a group of drivers who intend to break laws fail to remove their license plates?
What we are left with is: if there is even a small coordinated group who is organized and committed to causing public disruption, they can almost certainly do it and get away with it.
I don't mean to compare, in terms of seriousness, the "crime" of interfering with my sleep for a short period to the serious crimes reported here of property damage. What I mean to point out is that we have effectively (if unintentionally) communicated to the criminal fringe that they can behave in a manner that is anti-social, and if they do it in an organized way with a sufficiently large group of cooperators, there is nothing we can do about it.
I am concerned that the backlash -- either through official police action, or through non-police vigilantism -- could be very unpleasant. It's sort of the flip side of "broken windows" policing."
This worked in New York when Rudy Giuliani was mayor of New York. Broken windows theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
Been saying for a while now that this needs to happen. They need to hit up the rich liberal communities. Hopefully this liberal enlightenment extends to more states. Give them more of what they voted for.
I said...
"But the Universe is nasty, brutish, and might drop a space Rick on your head at any time, so I don't see any laws in operation."
D'oh! I've been RickRolled by autocorrect. 'space rock'.
@dreams, the police should try flamethrowers. Flamethrowers should work well.
Drag racers? Elston Ave Chicago 1966-67 open the fire hydrants Fire Dep arrive with pumpers and flood the street a few go the hospital and they will stop.
But that is mean?
"gadfly said:
What's this "when one of her class gets it?"
Harpo Studios, Oprah's production company, was based (like Oprah herself) in Chicago between 1986 and 2015. For at least 30 years, Chicago was her home. She doesn't care about the people who are killed there every weekend.
She now hangs out among the rich and famous. Those are the folks she talks to. Those are the folks she cares about. That's why she thinks the world has turned upside down when a philanthropist she's had dinner with dies. That's her world. That's her class.
"Achilles at 10:10 am says, "In order for a free society to exist the vast majority of the population needs to do the right thing when nobody is watching."
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is that not the meaning of “The business of America is business!”
A legal bag limit, police take a knee, violence, and redistributive change.
And this week, the fatal shooting of 81-year-old Jacqueline Avant
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did she suffer-from / pay-for passing-white privilege?
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