Quoted in "'Whole day was a clusterf---': Dems overcome distrust to send infrastructure bill to Biden/Democratic centrists and progressives reached a detente that cleared the $550 billion bipartisan legislation late Friday night and advanced their social spending package" (Politico)l
Why was the whole day a clusterfuck?
In the end, Pelosi only lost six Democrats on the infrastructure vote, all progressives.
Pocan is one of the progressives, and we're told that "helped negotiate the rapprochement with the moderates."
Thirteen Republicans voted in favor, giving Democrats more wiggle room on the floor.
The successful vote followed hours of painstaking negotiation between moderates and progressives that yielded a statement from caucus centrists committing to the party-line social safety net bill, if cost estimates met their projections. But the caveat in that centrist statement underscored the fragility of the underlying accord — House moderates are now staking their votes on an independent budget analysis that may take weeks to produce....
Despite the uncertainty, the centrists’ statement represents a significant detente between the Democratic caucus' two warring factions after months of ideological sparring that threatened to take Biden to the mat too -- despite Democrats having full control of Washington.
In a sign of how much trust has eroded, Congressional Progressive Caucus leader Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash) asked each of the centrists who signed the statement to look her in the eye as they committed both publicly and privately to vote for the broader spending deal after they’ve seen cost estimates, according to multiple Democrats familiar with the exchange.
She's just laying the groundwork for future rhetoric containing the phrase, "You looked me in the eye and...." I presume. I don't believe she could think politicians are the kind of people whose eyes betray them when they are lying.
Jayapal later addressed reporters outside on a wintry night...
The low temperature yesterday was 34° and we're in the middle of the fall, 7 weeks away from the winter solstice, so it's pretty silly to bring the weather into this melodramatic report. Now, I'm questioning what the standard is for "clusterfuck." I'm sure a Wisconsinite like Pocan wouldn't call that night "wintry," but what's the Wisconsin standard for "clusterfuck"? Legislators fleeing the territory while the capitol building is under seige?
Back to the Politico article:
While it’s all but certain the House will have to reckon with the social spending bill again after the Senate, Democratic leaders hope the deal Friday brings an end to their party's months-long internal standoff, which caused a string of embarrassments for leadership including two high-profile abandonments of votes after Biden visits to the Capitol.
By the time lawmakers gathered to vote around 10 p.m., tempers were running high as the House stood in recess while Democratic leaders worked to wrangle the few remaining progressive holdouts.
Rep. Brian Mast (D-Fla.) aggressively heckled Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-Calif.), shouting about a provision in a Democratic bill to hire more IRS enforcement. "You're an idiot," Carbajal shouted back at him as he walked away.
Before that a rowdy group of Republicans taunted Democrats by singing across the chamber floor a lyric synonymous with schoolyard defeat: "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye." Democrats had mocked Republicans with the same chant in 2017, a year before the GOP lost the House after failing to repeal Obamacare....
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House moderates are now staking their votes on an independent budget analysis that may take weeks to produce....
House leadership will game the CBO like they always do. They may play act some budget drama bit it won’t be a problem at all…
It's funny. When progressives don't get to pass a multi-trillion boondoggle of a bill that will further push our debt beyond reality and leave a mess for all future generations, it's considered a clusterfuck. I consider that a good day.
A great day is when Congress is shut down.
There is literally no reason to have a full-time Congress. It's not needed. And left to their own devices they sit around and figure out how to lift more money from the people for pet projects, or worse- fictional schemes like powering the world via windmills.
I'm disgusted by the lot of them.
+14 swing to Republicans in the off year, narrow loss in NJ notwithstanding; first mid-term almost always a disaster for the President's party, no wonder Pelosi didn't outright deny that she was considering retiring.
Democrats explained to us a year ago how governing was so easy during a pandemic, Trump was just doing it wrong. LOL.
"and privately to vote for the broader spending deal after they’ve seen cost estimates,"
Not the same thing as earlier, this is like "whatever the cost estimate, you are going to vote for it, right? Right?
Mark Pocan??
WHY are white males running today's democrat party?
WHY are white males Allowed IN today's democrat party?
WHY would white males BE in today's democrat party?
In the interests of inclusive intersectionality...
Shouldn't ALL white males be expunged from today's democrat party???
There's only two hey's in "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye."
Neither Manchin nor Sinema looked anyone in the eye yesterday.
The process in congress might have been a clusterfuck, but we are the ones getting fucked. Try to remember that the next time your congressman comes begging for your vote.
despite Democrats having full control of Washington.
Full Control??
US House has, what? 221 democrats? and what's a majority? 218? what is that? +4??
US Senate has, what? 48 democrats? (maybe 50?) what's a majority? 50?
Full Control?? You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means
Coincidentally "Clusterfuck" was Joe Biden's CB handle back when he drove truck.
yea, even more inflation. Luv it. Now lets fine all the companies and fire the workers. FUNdamentally transforming America.
I was really hoping both bills wouldn't pass. After the proper beat down Democrats took this week, they think money will fix it? They learned nothing.
Setting aside the bill itself, this Jamila Pryapal demanded that the GOP centrists who signed her bill submit to her by looking in her eyes as they signed? Which pathetic cowards did it? And what a psychologically fascistic demand.
What did the quislings who obediently looked in her eyes actually see? If they’re the least bit educated, they saw an unwavering historical fact of this stage of revolution: the first people to submit in the hopes of saving themselves are the first people whose heads get cut off.
If they had any sense at all, they saw their personal impending demise in those eyes.
Thirteen Republicans voted in favor...
(heavy sigh)
(muttered stream of bitter invective)
There might be 3 honest congresspeople in the house.
Maybe.
Before that a rowdy group of Republicans taunted Democrats by singing across the chamber floor a lyric synonymous with schoolyard defeat: "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye." Democrats had mocked Republicans with the same chant in 2017, a year before the GOP lost the House after failing to repeal Obamacare....
The adults are never coming back ...
The infrastructure of the United States is in need of repair no doubt. This bill won't do it. The Build Back Bill will do even less toward improving the infrastructure problem.
This bill reminds me of the "Shovel Ready Jobs" bill during the Obama administration. No public construction (roads, bridge, etc) begins in under years and usually takes a year or more to finish. So the Obama Administration ordered signs saying projects (already staffed and underway) were being done because of the bill and claimed credit when they would have happened anyway.
Our government IS a clusterfuck. All of them. They suck. They aren't working for us...only to enrich themselves.
Life is so much simpler for a Congresscritter from a safe Dem district. After 2022, Mark Pocan and his fellow progs can rest smugly in their minority swamp, free of clusterfucks. Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
Meanwhile - wealthy democrats in power named Jared Polis - don't pay their FAIR SHARE... ALL while they abuse the tax system to benefit their private family foundation fake-chairty interests.
The Clintons lead the way.
I’m glad all the insults don’t amount to insurrection, or something.
Mr. Forward said...
"Coincidentally "Clusterfuck" was Joe Biden's CB handle back when he drove truck."
Next meme: Cluster Let's Go Brandon. CLGB.
WHY are white males running today's democrat party?
Being 2SLGBTQQ+ means never having to say, "Hi, I'm Mark and I'm a Caucasian male" ...
Jared Polis knows he can get away with anything. He just has to pull out his pride flag.
Rep. Brian Mast (D-Fla.) aggressively heckled Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-Calif.), shouting about a provision in a Democratic bill to hire more IRS enforcement. "You're an idiot," Carbajal shouted back at him as he walked away.
“I'm not a member of any organized political party — I'm a Democrat.” ― Will Rogers
That wasn't true for a while. Democrats had to organize themselves more tightly in the 1990s and 2000s to come back into power. But now it's true again.
That (D-Fla.) and (D-Calif.) are quite undescriptive. Readers need to know if it's (D-Mealymouthed Moderate-Fla.) and (D-Barking Moonbat-Calif.) or the other way around.
"There's only two hey's in "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye."
I think there are 3. The problem is it's missing 2 nas.
Passing Dementia Joe's agenda would certainly be a clusterfuck for freedom.
One of the 13 RINOs was Don Bacon from Omaha. He’s finished.
One of the 13 RINOs was Don Bacon from Omaha. He’s finished.
I haven't looked into the details, but I am just so sick of the Republican Party. They just won several victories this past election day. The Democrats were in complete disarray. This was a chance to push them further into oblivion and chaos. Instead, enough Repubs decide to breathe new life into the Biden administration, and give Pelosi et al something to crow about. It's so sickening, and so predictable. And this is why, notwithstanding his faults, I supported Trump. He would have thrust the dagger in.
I don't doubt there may be a few legitimate items in the bill worth passing, such as actual infrastructure improvements. They could have been passed one at a time. But this boondoggle, sucking up and wasting billions of dollars for God only knows what purposes, should have been dead on arrival. Heck, the Dems were treating Reagan's proposals that way in the 80s (but always to prevent the cutting of taxes and spending). The Republicans are a useless, hopeless party. Let's hope a new generation of leaders can rise up, who know how to play this game.
I think there are 3.
Maybe, but when I listen to the song, to me it sounds like the 2nd hey is just drawn out by the singer, never started over as a distinct hey. I don't hear a third H.
The problem is it's missing 2 na's.
It's missing 4 na's. I figure the writer just abbreviated it that way to make it read better.
Too many hey's, not enough na's. That's how this damn bill got passed in the first place.
It wasn’t just the day.
Believe Pocan. If anyone knows clusterfucks it's a progressive Democrat.
The adults are never coming back ...
@Lurker21, +1
"Thirteen Republicans voted in favor"
The clusterf#*k within the clusterf#*k.
@Althouse, the actual song lyrics has eight “na’s,” two “hey’s,” and one “goodbye.” However hardly anyone ever chants more than four “na’s.” See, for instance, the end of “Remember the Titans.”
Yeah, I’d be proud to have Mark Pocan as my congressman, too.
If I was only 2/3 sane.
"Coincidentally "Clusterfuck" was Joe Biden's CB handle back when he drove truck."
That's only because "but daddy, you shouldn't be in here!" takes too long to say.
So Marc Pocan tweeted this: “Seriously, I think it’s more likely I will get calls from constituents asking what the CBO is rather than asking for a CBO score.”
So I took this to mean his constituents are clueless about the Congressional Budget Office. Then, knowing his constituents are 80+% Democrats I surmised Democrats are a bunch of ignorant idiots.
Works for me. May not work for you.
This country has become a clusterfuck thanks to the Dems.
There are three Heys in the first chorus- I just listened to it on Youtube.
There's only two hey's in "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye."
Schaumburg High would Always sing "Na na na na, Na na na na, Hey Hoffman, Goodbye"...
when they were through beating The Crap out of our football team
Heard that enough to Know it by heart; And there are definitely THREE syllables on the hey part
Let's Go Hawks!
Back in the dark ages, bills were read in the rules committee, amendments were offered, there was testimony on the merits of the bill and a vote was taken. None of that is done anymore. The bill is 2000 pages and nobody seems to know what's in it. Nobody reads it. The bill is not analyzed by the Congressional Budget Office. This all began a decade ago with "Continuing Resolutions." It will end in bankruptcy, which is coming soon if not already here. 2008 was a near miss.
>"There's only two hey's in "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye."
I think there are 3. The problem is it's missing 2 nas.<
You're right about the "hey"s but it is in fact missing four "na"s. There are eight "na"s and three "hey"s in the lyric ("Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye"). The lyric, that is, from Steam's 1969 hit, "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye." Which, btw, is not the the classic schoolyard taunt, which is merely "Na na na na." Though post-1969 (after my schoolyard taunting days) I suppose the original might have been supplanted on the playground by that whole Steam lyric.
So are Biden and the other nut cases going to give the Squad the Manchineel-Sinema treatment now for voting no? Will the squad be harassed in bathroom stalls? Will crying constituents corner them and demand the squad value their life more than the blood money they took to vote no?
If not why not?
"There are eight "na"s and three "hey"s in the lyric ("Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye"). The lyric, that is, from Steam's 1969 hit, "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye.""
I maintain that I am right about the number of "nas" and "heys" and I have relistened to the original Steam version (which I knew from memory anyway).
"Which, btw, is not the the classic schoolyard taunt, which is merely "Na na na na.""
Yes, this is a point I made in my new post on the subject. The use of the taunt began in 1977 in a stadium.
"Maybe, but when I listen to the song, to me it sounds like the 2nd hey is just drawn out by the singer, never started over as a distinct hey. I don't hear a third H."
I agree that Steam doesn't aspirate the H on the third "hey" and that that could make you hear it as "Hey, hey-ey." It's a Fonzie "hey": "'ey."
David Begley said...
This country has become a clusterfuck thanks to the Dems.
You cannot leave the republicans out of this. They are right there in responsibility.
Some are part of the uniparty coalition.
Most are just cowards.
Sebastian said...
"Thirteen Republicans voted in favor"
The clusterf#*k within the clusterf#*k.
The only people in DC worse than the democrats are the republicans.
the classic schoolyard taunt, which is merely "Na na na na."
Where I come from it was "na na nuh na na."
"Occasionally the quote of the day comes from my Congressman, and that means something to me."
Me too. It invariably means embarrassment.
I think I remember a huge infrastructure bill passed in the Obot era and that QuidProJoe was put in charge of building things. Whatever happened to that money? LOL.
As much as I devoutly wish it were otherwise, this sentence struck me as the awful truth: I don't believe she could think politicians are the kind of people whose eyes betray them when they are lying.
would it not be more accurate to say 13 R's took their revenge on Trump for costing D's VA ascendancy and their sinecure in its traim
Do you feel like you are living in Rome in 400 AD? The state is wasting money it doesn’t have on things we don’t need. Meanwhile, there is trouble on the borders. It is probably nothing.
To your Congressman Pocan and my Congressman Upton I say, “Let’s go Brandon, and you, too!”
If Joe could persuade Hunter to crank out a million paintings and sell them for $500K apiece he could finance this boondoggle himself. Less 10% for the big guy, of course.
$1 Billion for New York, they're so good with their budgeting. Clusterfucking is portrayed as wise politicking. If this country were a dog you'd have to put it down.
There's this...
https://welovetrump.com/2021/11/06/two-separate-doctors-claim-they-treated-over-100-members-of-congress-with-ivermectin/
>>To your Congressman Pocan and my Congressman Upton I say, “Let’s go Brandon, and you, too!”
I can do you one better. My Congress critter is the least visible but equally vile member of the squad. I held my nose and voted for Caputo, but to no avail.
--gpm
>>If Joe could persuade Hunter to crank out a million paintings and sell them for $500K apiece he could finance this boondoggle himself. Less 10% for the big guy, of course.
My head is spinning, but I think you're an order of magnitude off.
--gpm
"Thirteen Republicans voted in favor, giving Democrats more wiggle room on the floor."
Bastards.
They should ahve refused to provide any votes, until the "progressives" provided enough votes to put it over the top.
What kind of total moron sees the opposing Party in disarray, and steps in to help them out?
I want to see the GOP take back the House next year. But I'd really like to see all 13 of those "Republicans" lose, either by retirement, losing in the Primary, or losing in the General
Remember the huge Bloc grants cities were given under Clinton? Part of that “infrastructure” money was used for two things: to raze ghettos sitting on expensive real estate to move the urban poor to the outer edges of the cities and make downtowns hipster paradises.
And to hand out huge wads of walking around money to the urban grifters’ nonprofits to do bullshit like “winterize” falling down houses by caulking windows and other nonsense jobs in order to keep them quiet about the massive transfer of the welfare class to rural towns nearby.
Now 35 years later, city leaders are pushing for “de gentrification” reparations, counties where the welfare folk were moved experienced horror-show-like hive collapse, and the city centers are too expensive and dangerous for anyone but the upper classes who can insulate themselves. Using electronics and gated compounds, not caulk. The hipsters are still excited by the cool bike paths and perimeter parks, but they’re sick of being mugged in them. And the middle class, which always pays the bill, are fleeing or are no more, not in Atlanta, LA, NYC, etc. in their place, illegal immigrants have flooded in to do the restaurant jobs Americans actually did used to do, so the hipsters can brag about eating diversely.
Some verisimilitude of this is always what happens, From LBJ on down to TARP, to this.
"Do you feel like you are living in Rome in 400 AD? The state is wasting money it doesn’t have on things we don’t need. Meanwhile, there is trouble on the borders. It is probably nothing."
TELL IT, BROTHER (or Sister, as the case may be)!!! 20 years and a trillion plus spent on a purposeless war of terror and murder in Afghanistan that achieved nothing (other than terror and murder...and, most likely, the germination of a new generation of those who have motive to take revenge against us).
Think of how that blood-and-terror money could have been used for the real benefit of the citizens of America.
But, in the game of Guns or Butter, Guns will always win, as they are far more profitable for our owners.
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