October 17, 2021

Thrusting for faith.

I'm reading a very worthwhile essay in Commentary by Bari Weiss "We Got Here Because of Cowardice. We Get Out With Courage/Say no to the Woke Revolution." (Google some of the text if the link doesn't work.) 

Read the whole thing. Maybe I'll write another post later, but this post is to concentrate one thing — "thrusting for faith":
Why are so many, especially so many young people, drawn to this ideology? It’s not because they are dumb. Or because they are snowflakes....All of this has taken place against the backdrop of major changes in American life—the tearing apart of our social fabric; the loss of religion and the decline of civic organizations; the opioid crisis; the collapse of American industries; the rise of big tech; successive financial crises; a toxic public discourse; crushing student debt. An epidemic of loneliness. A crisis of meaning....

“I became converted because I was ripe for it and lived in a disintegrating society thrusting for faith.” That was Arthur Koestler writing in 1949 about his love affair with Communism. The same might be said of this new revolutionary faith. And like other religions at their inception, this one has lit on fire the souls of true believers, eager to burn down anything or anyone that stands in its way....

As my tag "religion substitutes" proves, I have a longstanding interest in religion substitutes, and I agree that a lot of current politics — especially "woke" politics — fits the needs traditionally served by religion and is practiced like religion... religion at its worst.

But was Arthur Koestler thrusting for faith?! His essay appeared in the collection "The God That Failed," and the relevant passage looks like this:

Koestler wasn't "thrusting for faith." He was "thirsting for faith."

Editors — and writers rereading their work — should check all quotes. It's so easy to make transcription  typos. But some things ought to jump out as wrong. 

When I read "thrusting for faith," it jumped out at me. That's got to be wrong. It's way too sexual — "thrusting." It's vivid, but ludicrous. I picture a man... thrusting... for faith! 

After 2 seconds of puzzling, I guessed the original text had "thirsting," and that turned out to be right.

And yet, why is "thirst" the conventional metaphor? 

Jesus — speaking about a well — said:

“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
He also said, "whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."

And: “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

From the Old Testament:

Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.
Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.
See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.
Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.
As for "thrusting," there is thrusting in the Bible. It's not sexual thrusting. It's pushing people away — "thrust into utter darkness," "thrust them from his presence" — or running them through with a blade — "Abner thrust the butt of his spear into Asahel’s stomach, and the spear came out through his back."

That's no way to go about getting religion — thrusting for it.

67 comments:

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

It's always a happy coincidence when leftists are allowed to change actual quotes by changing actual words - so that the original context becomes blurred and obscured and a new context is quietly inserted to fit THEIR narrative.

One word at a time.

Fernandinande said...

It’s not because they are dumb.

Even if true, it doesn't mean they're not dumb.

Either that or they're shysters selling bullshit which the dumb people consume.

Fernandinande said...

Another typo (probably): "This rot hasn’t been contained to higher education."

gspencer said...

Ecclesiastes 3:11 states God has “set eternity in the human heart.” In every human soul is a God-given awareness that there is “something more” than this transient world. And with that awareness of eternity comes a hope that we can one day find a fulfillment not afforded by the “vanity” in this world.

Even lefties have fillings of emptiness.

Temujin said...

Great post. I'll have to get to Bari Weiss's article in Commentary, but I'm very surprised she did not see the error of the use of "thrusting" while quoting Arthur Koestler. Also surprised that the editors of Commentary missed it. But, Althouse did not! (I keep saying you would make a great editor.)

Any post that refers people to Arthur Koestler and perhaps his great book, "Darkness at Noon" is a good thing. Truly wish the wanting Woke of our Western world would all read "Darkness at Noon". Perhaps it might help relieve some of their thrusting, or even their thirsting.

Fernandinande said...

The revolution has been met with almost no resistance by those who have the title CEO or leader or president or principal in front of their names.

Because they personally profit by joining the other shysters.

Joe Smith said...

I'll say one thing for Bari, she isn't niggardly with her words : )

Bob Boyd said...

With faith and fire you have to be careful. You start out thirsting for faith and pretty soon you're thrusting for it. You think you found the answer and the next thing you know your spear is coming out somebody's back.

Howard said...

These are the same excuses for deplorables falling for the Trump RT OAN con game. In both cases, the Davos Billionaires win. Divide and conquest.

rhhardin said...

Kliban Ship of the Desert

Camels can go for days and never crack a smile.

Uncle Pavian said...

This morning, our pastor cited Revelation 19:15 ("And out of his mouth proceedeth the word of God, and with it he will smite the nations; and he will rule them with the word of his mouth; and he treadeth the winepress in the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.")
Only a typographical error caused it to read,"spite the nations". Not sure how many people noticed.

David Begley said...

The Green New Deal is certainly a religion.

Bob Boyd said...

That last example of biblical thrusting reminds me of a joke I heard when I was a teenager.

What's black and white and can't turn around in an elevator?

A nun with a spear through her neck.

Mark said...

why is "thirst" the conventional metaphor?

Because without water you die. It is essential for life. So too is Truth essential for life.

Meanwhile, there is indeed an existential crisis in society. People wandering through the desert, dying of thirst, in search of ultimate meaning.

Having knee-jerk rejected the wisdom of the ages -- in the hubris that we are now enlightened unlike those backward peoples of the past and that we can choose our own meaning, our own truth -- we now enjoy that radical "freedom" (which is no freedom at all precisely because it ignores truth) to create our own personal realities and meaning of our lives.

Once we were Children of God with inherent dignities and endowed with inalienable personhood and rights. Now, to hell with all that -- we can be whatever we want to be starting from scratch, starting from nothing.

Hail the Existential Age, where we humans are inherently NOTHING. Still people thirst for some meaning beyond nothing. Some find it -- they find it in Truth (aka God). Others keep on looking and looking and only end up in existential nihilism -- the conclusion that there is no meaning, there is no point in living, and so they embark on self-destruction.

Quayle said...

Don’t forget Matt 5:6 ““Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.”

Owen said...

Thanks for clearing up the thrust/thirst thing. But even if it had been “thrusting” that was modifying the civilization not Koestler. The ecology of belief had withered. Koestler was just stuck in it.

As for the Bible quotes: all good but why can’t we give the King James Version? That is poetry, while these are prose. They are as musical as the instruction sheet for a toaster.

Michael K said...

I watched a very interesting interview by Tucker Carlson on Fox Nation yesterday. The guy he interviewed is named Steve Soukup and is an investment advisor. I've since ordered his book, which explains pretty well how corporations have become "Woke" beginning about the Bill Clinton administration. Amazon does not make it easy to find but it is worth reading. He also makes the point that this is a religion of sorts, like buying indulgences in the Middle Ages.

Soukup was working for a big investment advisor firm when he and his boss began worrying about China. This was back in the 90s. It turned out the owner of the firm was a buddy of the Clintons and Soukup and his boss were fired because of their warnings to investors about China. They continue with their own advisory firm with smaller clients. Pretty interesting guy.

Wince said...

That inscrutable "drink the sand" line from The American President:

Andrew: They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.

President: Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.


Whaaaaaaat?

Earnest Prole said...

Lamentable, especially since “The God That Failed” may well be the most sacred text for Commentary after the Hebrew Bible.

mikee said...

Koestler wasn't the only one thirsting, let alone thrusting, for faith. Koestler says SOCIETY it was that thirsted, a "disintegrating society thirsting."

Even when describing a personal experience, the woke must speak collectively, because their "thirst" must of course be that of all people, not just any individual. And what one feels, all must feel identically. Otherwise, how could one justify destroying a functioning society (merely described as disintegrating) in order to rebuild it all as a utopia?

ColoComment said...

About typos.

Much of my 30-year career as a corporate & securities paralegal was spent proofreading contracts and prospectuses and mutual fund statements of information and other such very dry, yet legally very important, documents. I always sought multiple eyeballs to check my initial efforts.

More than 20 years ago, I found and saved this quote, to remind me to forgive myself, and others, when a typo persisted in a document despite diligent efforts to 100% eliminate them. This does not excuse, of course, sloppy writing or casual treatment of error. It's only a reminder to remain humble, as we all are human & the eyeball-brain connection is surprisingly easy to fool.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The quote:

The Foulis’s editions of classical works were much praised by scholars and collectors in the nineteenth century. The celebrated Glasgow publishers once attempted to issue a book which should be a perfect specimen of typographical accuracy. Every precaution was taken to secure the desired result. Six experienced proof-readers were employed, who devoted hours to the reading of each page; and after it was thought to be perfect, it was posted up in the hall of the university, with a notification that a reward of fifty pounds would be paid to any person who could discover an error. Each page was suffered to remain two weeks in the place where it had been posted, before the work was printed, and the printers thought that they had attained the object for which they had been striving. When the work was issued, it was discovered that several errors had been committed, one of which was in the first line of the first page.
-- As found in A Passion for Books, by Harold Rabinowitz and Rob Kaplan.

JK Brown said...

Thrusting for faith, as in taking a stab at this and that, mostly in the dark, in an effort to satisfy the thirst. It's an old and recurring theme, 50 years ago the young women in the Manson family took it quite literal.

What Is Religion?
Author(s): Frank Sargent Hoffman
Source: The North American Review, Vol. 187, No. 627 (Feb., 1908), pp. 231-239
Published by: University of Northern Iowa
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25106079

"Whenever a man knows enough to distinguish the outside world from himself, and tries to act in accordance with this knowledge, he begins to be religious.

"The first element, therefore, in religion is the recognition of the existence of a power not ourselves pervading the universe. And another is the endeavor to put ourselves in harmonious relation with this power. Of course the feeling or affective element is presupposed as coming in between the other two. For without it the endeavor would lack a motive, and could therefore have no existence whatsoever."

Sebastian said...

"especially "woke" politics — fits the needs traditionally served by religion and is practiced like religion"

But without the separation of church and state or the assumption that all are created in the image of God.

More than a confessional state, wokeism uses all modern institutions and means of communication to assert its hegemony, hence more insidious and oppressive than any traditional religion.

Freder Frederson said...

and I agree that a lot of current politics — especially "woke" politics — fits the needs traditionally served by religion and is practiced like religion... religion at its worst.

I don't even know what "woke" politics is, and I doubt you could define it either. And if you are going to criticize "woke" politics, what the hell about Trumpism? He has many people, including most of your commenters, believing things that are simply not true (e.g., that he won the election, that both his impeachments were based on hoaxes, etc.). I don't see the 'woke" holding massive rallies where the audience is whipped up into what could be described as a religious fervor.

What ever happened to cruel neutrality?

TomHynes said...

"Thirsty" is now a sexual term - per Urban Dictionary, it means "horny"

Mark said...

Bari Weiss: "All that had to change for the entire story to turn out differently was for the person in charge, the person tasked with being a steward for the newspaper or the magazine or the college or the school district or the private high school or the kindergarten, to say: No."

Well, while the elites and "leaders" might not be standing up and speaking out, weasels that they are, the greater society and culture have finally had enough.

A firewall of enough people have stood up and said, "NO" and the no is in giving in to the lie that a man is a woman and vice versa. It looked like folks would just roll over with the trans tyranny, with the destruction of sexual privacy and despotism of language. But they are saying "no" to the erasure of women, to having to personally lie with the pronouns, with having men beat (and beat up) women.

People have had enough. They've had enough too with the propaganda that they are themselves inherently racist. They are done. Hands up, they are walking away. They are tuning out.

Lurker21 said...

Koestler came to believe in ESP and explore the paranormal in his later years, so yes, he was thirsty -- or thrusting -- for faith.

"Thrusting" does sort of work in a poetic way. Take a cliche and replace a word with something unexpected and it can have more resonance.

Kai Akker said...

I just heard and read all those words from Isaiah (ch 55) that you quote under the Old Testament subhead. We received a 60-minute sermon on that one chapter and those words were a big part of it. The coincidence reading them again here on Althouse is too remarkable for me to make much of an intelligent comment, other than those are powerful words and I am glad to see them again already.

And perhaps a second part of that coincidence is that in his exegesis, the minister got around explicitly to the stupidity that is cancel culture and how profoundly anti-Christian and anti-life it is.

Tina Trent said...

Bari Weiss could easily be describing herself in this piece.

She loves cancel culture when she can wield it. She gratuitously uses slurs against the acceptably despised lower rungs of American society; she exaggerates and obsesses over so-called hate crimes while participating actively in that industry’s extremely selective definitions of what doesn’t equal hate (a graffitied swastika, yes; 100 randomly targeted, tortured and murdered women, no); she only began to give a damn about trans targeting of women when it affected her personally, and she has no problem smearing others who don’t meet her extremely selective flavor of wokeness.

What she wants isn’t ideological consistency or courage: what she wants is the power to decided what is and isn’t acceptable to be shifted to her preferences and prejudices. Glenn Greenwald more than has her number. If the Times gave her the keys to drive their cancel culture, she’d soon be speeding down the highway knocking off her ideological foes.

I, like Weiss, am what I suppose would be called a Zionist. No question there. But there are other questions. People like this do far more harm than good. As a famous rabbi once said, those who bring truth all masked and painted to the ball are truth’s pimp, not truth’s lover.

Achilles said...

This article and this post are very good.

Now go back through history and watch this pattern repeat.

This is why the globalist democrat regime must be defeated and why it will likely require that defeat to be military in nature.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

The "flower power" beliefs of the 60s may have been more of a religion substitute than a religion, but here and there one could find genuine religious movements or "thirsts." Thomas Merton enjoyed quite a vogue as a would-be Christian monk; there were Catholic novelists, and then Albert Schweitzer, Reinhold Neibuhr. I guess Pearl S. Buck and the whole faith in Christian missionaries, especially in China. Then there were "Eastern" religions. Kahlil Gibran actually sold fairly well in the U.S. even before the 60s; Hesse's Siddhartha; and then various presentations of Hinduism and Buddhism. Democrats like Gene McCarthy and Sargent Shriver were more likely to emphasize "personal faith" than Republicans like Nixon. Somehow the woke seem to have no interest in any of this. They seem to have given up on practically anything from the past, Western or not. Maybe they still "light a candle," so to speak, for the beliefs and practices of indigenous North Americans. I think their most solid hope, if that is the right word, is to have a few carefully chosen people get into a spaceship and abandon the earth with all its selfishness and misery. Idealism, puritanism, and fanaticism.

rhhardin said...

Convert those old Sherman tank thrust bearings into clothesline pulleys.

Narr said...

OK, if we recognize that, say, Judaism and Christianity is religions, can we then call Islam a religion substitute?

If not, why not? It's based on nothing but the rantings of a single loon, but gets the respect of a religion.



Narayanan said...

Jesus — speaking about a well — said:

“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
He also said, "whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
-------
Professora - thanks for the cite.

Ayn Rand credits Jesus for focusing attention on individual soul.
Her novel The Fountainhead is about individual soul.

Her choice of title is noticeable in light of this cite :
The Fountainhead = a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Can of Cheese,

Which "leftist" do you mean here? Koestler? (As much a leftist as Whittaker Chambers, and for precisely similar reasons.) Weiss? (We both know why she's on Substack in the first place, right?) I must be misunderstanding you.

tds said...

sorry Bari Weiss, but it all started with comparing everybody to a Nazi and everything to the Holocaust, which 1) completely dumbed down the politics in the US, 2) created the concept of a victim who would not be questioned

Fernandinande said...

All of this has taken place against the backdrop of major changes in American life—the tearing apart of our social fabric; ...etc...

Just as not everyone became a Communist in 1949, only dumb snowflakes react to modern society, which is really not very terrible at all, by acting like dumb snowflakes.

ALP said...

This passage from the linked article leap out at me: "In this ideology, you are guilty for the sins of your fathers."

Current ideology seems taken with the idea of collective punishment. One member of a tribe sins, everyone is punished. This is downright primitive. History is full of stories of people punished for things they personally did not do. THIS is what these people want - until it comes for them I guess.

Yancey Ward said...

"But he's striving and driving and hugging the turns
And thinking of someone for whom he still burns"

Mea Sententia said...

One of my favorite pieces of music is Palestrina's Sicut Cervus, based on the Latin text of Psalm 42:1, As the deer longs for flowing streams, so longs my soul for you, O God.

https://youtu.be/S0wBIk9-pr8

Yancey Ward said...

Like Can of Cheese for Hunter, I wonder if this was actually a mistake and not a deliberate rewording. Thirsting for faith definitely brings with it the Christian connotation and might lead to wrongthink. It would be good to know exactly where Weiss lifted the quote since I don't think this is a transcription mistake she would make.

"I went to Communism as one goes to a spring of fresh water, and I left Communism as one clambers out of a poisoned river strewn with the wreckage of flooded cities and the corpses of the drowned."

BUMBLE BEE said...

Man's need for meaning in life. Religion has been supplanted by the left into so many fragmented easily manipulated cells. Standard Operating Procedure. Mission Accomplished. Next?

William said...

Arthur Koestler. Now there's a guy that deserves to be cancelled. He raped a friend's wife. When he came down with a terminal illness, he convinced his wife who was in her fifties and in fine health to join him in a suicide pact....He was an unreliable witness to his own life and to his own times. He wrote several books about the Spanish Civil War. In the first one, written when he was a deep cover Communist, he depicted the Communist leaders of the Spanish Republic to liberal democrats. He compared them to Washington and Jefferson--that was when they were more famous as Founding Fathers than as slave owners. Later on, when Koestler became an out and proud Communist, he wrote another book about the Spanish war. Koestler was held as a prisoner in a Franco jail. He claimed that after the execution of a prisoner, then throughout the prison the other prisoners would spontaneously start singing the Internationale. This never happened. As an ex-Communist, he finally wrote a book detailing all the whoppers he had told in his previous books......"Darkness at Noon" is also a whopper. Those Communists at the show trials didn't confess to their sins in order to selflessly serve the cause of Communism. They confessed to their sins because they were beaten and tortured and were offered prison sentences instead of execution if they confessed.....This book, ostensibly anti-Communist, is, in its way, rather complimentary to the motives and ideals of the Commies who got offed in the show trials....The show trial victims weren't martyrs who died to serve a higher cause. They were Stalin's willing accomplices in his earlier crimes. They got mangled in a machine they themselves helped construct....."Darkness at Noon" is a self serving lie.

Bunkypotatohead said...

It would be easy to overlook a spellchecker mistake on something you copy/pasted.

William said...

Addendum: Ethel Rosenberg is kind of like Arthur Koestler's wife. If Julius Rosenberg had confessed to his involvement in the spy ring, his wife would have undoubtedly been spared execution and probably would not have even received such a long prison term. Julius was definitely a goner, but he could have spared Ethel's life if he had confessed. Instead, he opted the for the propaganda of the deed and took her with him to death row. Ethel Rosenberg was not a victim of the US Government but of Julius Rosenberg. Don't hold your breath awaiting a play or movie that features this narrative.

robother said...

I could dismiss Ann's comments as nitpicking over a mere misspelling, but Bari's analysis of the aggressive spirit of the Woke "religion" seems to depend on Koestler's "thrusting." (Another clunker comes in her penultimate paragraph, where Ms. Weiss refers to Lincoln's evocation of an "electric cord" that binds the nation together.)

That said, I concur completely in her call for courage to confront these Woke Cultists, their lies and their bullying.

Cheryl said...

It seems to me that it was the society that Koestler lived in, and not he himself, that was thirsting. He was in an environment so desiccated that it thirsted for a faith in anything. So the society would allow anything as a stand-in for God. He got swept up in that and became a communist.

Koestler's "Darkness at Noon" is well worth reading. I'm going to look for this book of essays now.

gilbar said...

veryone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst.

as the classic saying goes:
You can lead a Horticulture; BUT, you CAN'T make her Think

Gypsy Jenni said...

Pastoral music lovers, there is the hymn based on Isaiah 55 text "Come to the Water".

Stephen St. Onge said...

        It was probably just auto-corrupt at work.  I saw the quote as written and figured out the correct word without any trouble, as you did.

        What amuses me is the people who do programming can't even figure out how to read printed letters reliably, and yet they think there will soon be Artificial Intelligences out-thinking us.  What a bunch of maroons!

Earnest Prole said...

It's always a happy coincidence when leftists are allowed to change actual quotes by changing actual words.

Bari Weiss and Commentary Magazine, conspiring to turn 2022 into 1984.

Kevin said...

So many clenched fists.

So little time to thrust them in the air.

Bilwick said...

Of course, predating Communism and subsuming it, is the Cult of the State, which somehow retains a veneer of respectability despite its body count and addiction to looting.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"If Julius Rosenberg had confessed to his involvement in the spy ring, his wife would have undoubtedly been spared execution and probably would not have even received such a long prison term. Julius was definitely a goner, but he could have spared Ethel's life if he had confessed. Instead, he opted the for the propaganda of the deed and took her with him to death row."

The Coen's did it with No Country for Old Men.

I only say because Country can be construed as a dig at the host here.

wildswan said...

Good catch.

Here's one song sung by young people about thirsting and faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypto_yaZVZg

Meade said...

I don’t always turn water into wine but when I do, I prefer to share it with my faithful sheep and not so much with atheists and communists.

Stay thrusty my friends.

Michael K said...

It's interesting to see that Freder and Howard still have Trump living rent free in their heads.

The deadly "Woke" revolution is not a Trump related phenomenon. It really began with Bill Clinton. What we have now is a failure of government that is going to be a hell of a mess for years due to the stupidity of the Freders and Howards. The Biden regime could not operate a one car funeral.

Hey Skipper said...

@Freder Frederson:

I don't even know what "woke" politics is, and I doubt you could define it either.


From the very first paras in the article:

Let me offer the briefest overview of the core beliefs of the Woke Revolution, which are abundantly clear to anyone willing to look past the hashtags and the jargon.


It begins by stipulating that the forces of justice and progress are in a war against backwardness and tyranny. And in a war, the normal rules of the game must be suspended. Indeed, this ideology would argue that those rules are not just obstacles to justice, but tools of oppression. They are the master’s tools. And the master’s tools cannot dismantle the master’s house.

So the tools themselves are not just replaced but repudiated. And in so doing, persuasion—the purpose of argument—is replaced with public shaming. Moral complexity is replaced with moral certainty. Facts are replaced with feelings.


(More follows.)

Seems pretty clear. What confuses you?

Kai Akker said...

---Those Communists at the show trials didn't confess to their sins in order to selflessly serve the cause of Communism. They confessed to their sins because they were beaten and tortured and were offered prison sentences instead of execution if they confessed..... [William]

They were offered prison sentences, eliciting their fantastical confessions, but were executed anyway.

"Afterwards [after the first of the trials], in the Kremlin, a witness gave an imitation of Zinoviev's frantic last moments which reduced Stalin to tears of helpless laughter." from The Dark Valley, by Piers Brendon, p. 474

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Bender said...

As for the Bible quotes: all good but why can’t we give the King James Version? That is poetry, while these are prose.

Because God doesn't speak to us to give us flowery poetry, but to communicate essential life lessons to us and He wants us to understand what He's saying. And He DIDN'T speak in archaic 17th century English. He didn't speak in English at all. And He certain didn't speak with a lisp.

If you want Divine Revelation to be poetry, you've missed the point. You want some beauty to the language to be sure, for that would better reflect the beauty of God, but the purpose is to reveal truth, to teach in a way that even the dimmest gets it.

Critter said...

Jesus understood Thomas, who was concrete and demanded physical proof of the resurrection. That is a character type that has been and will always be represented in the human population. Kunstler impresses me as a Thomas type. If it isn't tangible, it isn't real. He is predisposed to a belief system than he can touch and feel, like Marxism. But Jesus did not promise tangibility to his followers. His only exception was upon returning to his followers after human death to convince doubters like Thomas that his human death and suffering was real and that his resurrection and return to them overcame physical reality.

The world as Kunstler describes it was similar to the world in which Jesus was placed by God. God and he always knew there would be materialists like Kunstler. That they did not accept Jesus does not mean that there was a failure of Christian religion. It simply means that, as Jesus predicted at the time, there are some who would not understand or accept his message and promise.

If I was a secular humanist, I would line up behind socialism/progressivism. It IS the alternative to Judeo/Christian religious beliefs. But that is a sad place to be - someone who lives in an essentially two dimension existence despite the mountains of scientific evidence and research supporting the the view that there is more than the three dimensions that we live in daily, and more than the four dimensions that Einstein saw in his theory.

Peter said...

Was it *Koestler* "thirsting" for faith, or the "disintegrating society" doing so?
A comma would have helped.

mishu said...

I can easily see how this became "thrusting" instead of thirsting. Weiss probably typed "thursting" (recall on your keyboard that the letters "u" and "i" are right next to each other. Microsoft Word would automatically correct the word to "thrusting" by automatically flipping the "u" and "r" instead of leaving a squiggly underline of the misspelled word. It's Microsoft's way of "helping". Then no grammatical check would catch the error because I suppose one could "thrust" for faith in theory. Finally, the laziness of both Weiss and Commentary kicks in because each relied on the technology to do the editing for them instead of actually rereading like the professor did.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

I'm not sure who changed the word. It could have been a typo. (no - I doubt is was Bari herself)

But it all reminds me of the something NPR would do - based on resent history.

Narr said...

"If I was a secular humanist, I would line up behind socialism/progressivism. It IS the alternative . . . "

No it's not. Secular humanism is the alternative. It works great for me.

Bilwick said...

"It's interesting to see that Freder and Howard still have Trump living rent free in their heads."

Well, there's plenty of room in there. No syllogisms allowed.