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I don't know what you think of "celebrity 9/11".... It's a matter of taste, but they are trying, with decent enough sincerity.Imagine all the people living life in peace. pic.twitter.com/5xA11BVN3p
— Yoko Ono ☁️ (@yokoono) September 11, 2021
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We'll meet again, Dr. Strangelove.
"I don't know what you think of "celebrity 9/11".... It's a matter of taste, but they are trying, with decent enough sincerity."
Unlike Joe Biden and his supporters which include Springsteen.
They are just being raging shitheads.
so for Springsteen it is dream and not nightmare?
Commie singing "I'll see you in my dreams". His dreams are coming true thanks to the President he endorsed and voted for.
The Commie tweet was deleted.
Springsteen and "sincerity" remind me of the old line (variously attributed) about the secret of success being sincerity. "Once you can fake that, you've got it made."
Springsteen's been the biggest phony in the music business for 40+ years, as he acknowledged at the beginning of his Broadway show (to laughter and applause). John Lennon told the royalty and plutocrats at the Beatles' royal command performance to rattle their jewelry. Springsteen does a podcast with Obama. And his daughter wins an Olympic medal for an event that (literally) only the monied and privileged in. His "sincerity" is just on-brand marketing.
I...can't...
It's enough that I have to see the Obamas, Clintons, Pelosis, Schumers, and Bidens. When Springsteen came up, I shut it off.
Along with my earlier comment on Michael Moore, these are not people I find should be part of my mix or memories of 9/11.
It's a matter of taste, but they are trying, with decent enough sincerity.
If they were trying, the political hacks would have stayed the hell away instead of imposing themselves on the situation and making things worse.
The left is determined to sh*t on everything, though.
It is important to point out the Biden Junta really messed up on the timing of all this. Their incompetence is going to be the doom of the uniparty.
Joe Biden picked September 10th to announce he is dissolving the Constitution and the Republic.
September 11th is here. The tag line is "Never Forget."
And Joe Biden is completely blowing it off because he fucked up so badly in Afghanistan. Ritual seppekku is really the only good option for members of this administration.
History will never forget this display and Biden Voters will always be shamed for their stupidity and mendacity.
Springsteen looks like he is in a cgi scene from Forrest Gump.
Althouse writes, "It's a matter of taste, but they are trying, with decent enough sincerity."
Trying what? Trying our patience? Trying to cover up past misdeeds. Trying to suggest that 9/11 would not have happened if America was an atheistic society without personal property? Imagine singing Imagine to a gathering of Taliban emirs.
Decent enough sincerity. I'm certain Mister Baawn Indayoosessay is completely sincere in his hatred of Trump supporters, but I'm completely unconvinced of his sincerity in his Twitter appearance today except that I'm certain he sincerely hopes Biden will benefit. (Sorry, having been warred upon so long and so viciously by leftists, I am unconvinced of any Democrat's decency.)
As for taste, I was never impressed by these pop icons as artists or performers. Any Schubert quintet has infinitely more emotional depth than any of Springsteen's dreck, and if performed by some workaday New York musicians would have infinitely more significance. Nor would I soil the memory of those who died with any POS Yoko Ono home movie.
So what does Springsteen mean when he writes in the song, “for death is not the end”? I’m not aware that he is a Christian. Is he merely appropriating Christian beliefs for the sake of a poorly-written sentimental song? That would be consistent with the phony guy we’ve come to know all these years.
We are going to spend the next months watching the country tell Biden to go to hell. Chanting "Fuck Joe Biden" will become the reason to go to football games.
Any of his corporate cronies who actually decide to destroy their companies by following along with him will join him in ignominy.
And they will lash out. They will go after the 1st amendment openly. Not just this garbage end around with the corporate crony censorship.
Prepare.
I don't especially associate Bruce Springsteen with 9/11 but then that's probably not a requirement. I associate him with Chris Christie and with The Sopranos. The latter is by association (Little Steven). That's all aside from his music, of course, of which I'm a casual fan. He has written some great songs and he is a talented singer and musician.
Yoko Ono, I don't associate her with 9/11 either, other than that I knew that she lived there and does live there, in NYC. I associate her with The Beatles and for not being a talented singer and musician.
Whether or not one is a celebrity, I think a person is entitled to note 9/11 however one chooses and nobody's any more or less sincere than anyone else. At least that's from the standpoint that how I remember 9/11 and what I thought then and think now isn't affected in any way by how someone else chooses to commemorate it.
A solemn occasion I know, but am I the only one who noticed how many people were not wearing masks in that crowd? Including, I believe, Biden's Secret Service team?
I will heal America with my acoustic guitar.
Please clap.
I am Laslo.
Bruce should hang up his guitar. He's always been a little, uh, pitchy. Intonation problems shall we say. This was unlistenable.
I made a comment about Bruce's voice ^^ above. That's not to take away from his legitimate sentiment. I never liked him much but like Sally327 said, a person is entitled to note 9/11 however one chooses. I commend him for that.
For my 9/11 thoughts, see the Trump article above.
Btw, is Springsteen a Native American now?
The last movie I went to (pre-covid) played a trailer in which he was super tan, his skin stretched tighter than Weinberg's snare, was wearing a leather-fringed jacket, and was decked out in turquoise everything.
What a phony.
Also, 'Imagine' is pure, sappy crap...in the top ten of world's worst songs.
'Racing in the Streets' is a great song.
Not listening to 'the boss' tell me how to feel about 9/11
Turned on the news (Fox) just for a moment or two only to have CNN's reporter talking loudly over the Fox News reporter's feed.
"Imagine all the people living life in peace."
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate.
And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." -- J.H.
Bruce Springsteen made a career out of faux-literary processed-cheese hard-luck stories: his America is the America of late 20th-century rock critics struggling for a reason to psuedo-ironically wear leather jackets against The Man and self-consciously 'rock' without getting their poser asses embarrassingly kicked; today their graying beards, coincidentally, have all grown longer overnight, and Rock Is Dead.
No: I will contemplate the date at the local biker bar by playing one of the Last True Rock Songs of Unity: Grand Funk Railroad's "We're An American Band."
We're an American band
We're an American band
We're comin' to your town
We'll help you party down
We're an American band
No Candys, Sandys, Kittys or Rosalitas, no wannabe Dylan ramblings -- just a band that is there for YOU, a band that will help YOU party down, a song whose cowbell contains more sincerity than Bruce's entire career.
As an aside: a few nights ago a guy at the biker bar had a T-shirt that read "Carnival Staff". That's fucking cool, regardless of whether it is a joke or the real thing. However, he certainly seemed like the kind of guy who might have done carny work: oiling machines, sponging down worn vinyl seats, offering moustache rides...
I am Laslo.
Lennon was my least favorite Beatle, and Springsteen is my least favorite Springsteen.
I grant both of them some talent in their genres, but have otherwise never cared about them or their opinions--still less their feelz.
The important question is, what does that Wet Ass Pussy woman have to tell us?
I don't especially associate Bruce Springsteen with 9/11 but then that's probably not a requirement.
I wish Sally327 would clarify this rather obtuse statement. Why associate Bruce Springsteen with 9/11 any more than a random bloke on the street?
Yoko Ono, I don't associate her with 9/11 either...
Well, d'uh.
I think a person is entitled to note 9/11 however one chooses and nobody's any more or less sincere than anyone else.
This unwarranted assumption only serves to cheapen the memory of that day, especially to the kin of those who were murdered by Muslim fanatics seeking the eradication of Western civilization. Does sincerity mean anything to Sally327? It doesn't seem to, based on her dishwater comment.
Temujin said...
I...can't...
It's enough that I have to see the Obamas, Clintons, Pelosis, Schumers, and Bidens. When Springsteen came up, I shut it off.
Along with my earlier comment on Michael Moore, these are not people I find should be part of my mix or memories of 9/11.
Well, it is time to get over it.
The Biden Regime just gave the Taliban billions of dollars of military equipment and guns, and is trying to disarm and censor you.
On the eve of September 11th Joe Biden declared war on the citizens of the United States. You will pay for the vaccine and pay his corporate cronies or he will crush you. And he will send your money to the Taliban to pay for hostages he left there on purpose.
It is important to note that Joe Springsteen has been a mediocre musician for decades. He is the epitome of the regime composer. He hasn't made a song worth buying in at least 30 years. The only reason he is at all relevant is because he spends so much time fellating members of the regime.
I can't wait for the celebrity salute on the 80th anniversary of Pearl Harbor Day this coming December.
I'm trying not to watch any of this year's 9/11 events because it hurts too much. I've watched the previous years, applauded the heroes, and mourned the deaths, but this year is different. The disgraceful way we surrendered to the terrorists and their enablers as we exited Afghanistan less than 2 weeks ago sickens me. I can't fully explain why I feel this way but the linkage between the two events is real and gut wrenching.
It wasn't people who wanted to live life in peace who attacked us on 9/11. And while we have abdicated the field in the war against Islamic extremists, that doesn't mean that the war is over. The enemy has a vote, too, when he is left alive and well on the battlefield. Even more so when he is fortified with billions of dollars of equipment that we paid for.
Fuck all the politicians and celebrities who really do not give a shit about any of the people killed on 9/11. None of them have a conscience. They are power hungry hypocrites who only worship money and their status in life. I cannot stomach the phony politicians, oligarchs, celebrities, media-types. They do not love America or their fellow Americans. They consider themselves “citizens of the world”! God Bless the souls who perished on 9/11 and all the Americans who were killed in the wars since then.
"You can kiss my royal Irish ass." Still the most stirring response.
Staying on topic is especially important here.
If you’re wondering why you got deleted.
In fairness.... Dreams is kind of a fuzzy topic. (I'm just kidding)
And yeah, Bruce has become a political tool, no argument.
But hardly anyone wrote a finer song than Thunder Road, or ended one better than Clarence Clemons ended that one.
Bruce Springsteen? Isn't he dead yet? I mean, Seriously?
Laslo Spatula said...
I will heal America with my acoustic guitar.
You know who COULD heal America? Yes; Yes You DO
You know who COULD reunite America? Yes; Yes You DO
You know who COULD make America Great, AGAIN? Yes; Yes You DO
She's on a Treadmill... RIGHT NOW!!!
Professor, my last comment, was Totally On Topic
The girl with a ponytail, is in my dreams; Always. She's in ALL OUR DREAMS
One last post (still On Topic)
Laslo Spatula said...
I will contemplate the date at the local biker bar by playing one of the Last True Rock Songs of Unity: Grand Funk Railroad's "We're An American Band."
Here's Rob Zombie, playing We're An American Band" at the Sturgis Motorcycle rally. I'm sure that lots of you don't think you like Rob Zombie (heck, Lots of you don't think you like America); but Rob and his crew are more than willing to sway you around.
When i grow up, i wanna be a Rock Star!
"It's a matter of taste, but they are trying, with decent enough sincerity."
Yes, indeed. Lots of attempts like this today in NYC. Even though Springsteen doesn't have much of a voice anymore, he still manages to convey some of the emotion of that song.
The MetOpera is offering Verdi's requiem tonight (the first performance at the opera house since March 2020); WQXR (a classical station in NYC) is offering Faure's requiem and bits from Brahms and others as well. In Brooklyn Heights, a local parish offered a mass today for the members of the firehouse on the same block (eight men from it died on 9/11), and it ended with a stab at America the Beautiful, alas more heartfelt than musical. The readings at the mass were on the theme of "no greater love than this ...", and the fireman who spoke about the eight guys who died (he served with them all) riffed on that idea a bit as he sketched their lives and personalities. There were about 100 uniformed members of the NYFD in attendance, and you could see just watching them that the 'band of brothers' cliche has some powerful reality to it.
The music and the remembrances were each in its way trying to capture both the emotions of that day and its larger meaning viewed 20 years on. No doubt, some will dismiss it as just a display of schmaltz and treacle-y sentimentality. Scoff if that's your approach to such things. But it hit home for me, bringing back lots of memories of that day. As the fireman said when ending his talk, never forget, never forget, never forget.
Joe Smith,
Also, 'Imagine' is pure, sappy crap...in the top ten of world's worst songs.
No. 1 IMO. Followed closely by "We Are the World" and "Little Boxes." I am not sure "W. A. P." is strictly speaking a "song," but if you consider it such, might as well add it.
I am touched that Yoko Ono thought it worth commemorating 9/11, though. Her memories of NY can't be good.
Springsteen garb was on display @ the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame. Looked like munchkin clothing. He's almost Robert Reich tiny.
I lost friends and colleagues on 9/11. In the twenty years since, this is the second anniversary day that I essentially tuned out: no radio or tv, and almost no Internet.
The first was 2004, IIRC, when politics was getting so shrill in advance of the presidential election, and I finally was understanding just how permanently damaged and scarred some families impacted by that day would be. (Twenty years later, a departed friend's wife, one of the most ebullient people I've ever known, remains a shadow of the person she was on 9/10/2001.) I had never been someone who looks away from ugly realities, but I just didn't want to deal with the tone of public conversation on 9/11/2004.
I have a similar feeling today. I don't trust any source or communications channel to "play it straight" and be respectful, rather than to try to score some cheap, political point or miscellaneous snark. It depresses me far too much. I did have to turn on the computer today to check my business email, so I suppose it is a testament to Prof. Althouse's rare sensibilities that I decided to stop by. It's the only site I bothered to visit.
FWIW, I had never been a particular fan of Springsteen, despite my NJ heritage, and he has disappointed me with his partisanship, but I think The Rising truly is an excellent album dealing with 9/11. I don't listen to it often because of the feelings it stirs. I nearly always get a little choked up when I hear the title song and a few of the others. I miss that version of Bruce Springsteen.
PM said..."You can kiss my royal Irish ass." Still the most stirring response.
That was a remarkable moment, especially watching that concert live. When that fireman got on stage and started talking, I remember thinking, "Get ready for some genuine speaking truth to power." Also in that vein was the hearty booing that Hillary Clinton received that evening. It was loud, serious booing of the kind that might be expected from a crowd of NYC cops, firemen, and their families.
I remember being stunned at how the booing at HRC was replaced by cheering when the concert was rebroadcasted. It would have been one thing to edit that sequence out of subsequent broadcasts and the eventual DVD. It was an entirely different thing to replace a crowd's contemptuous booing of a political figure with cheers. In retrospect, it was a clear sign of media manipulations to come.
I also remember being a little skeptical of The Who performing that evening. They were getting criticized at the time for being past their prime, but they absolutely rocked the house. It was as electric of a performance as anything I've ever seen, especially "Won't Get Fooled Again" to close.
David53 said...I can't wait for the celebrity salute on the 80th anniversary of Pearl Harbor Day this coming December.
I was in junior high school when the 40th anniversary of Pearl Harbor came along. It was still very much an important day for my father, who served in the Pacific in WW II, and for many others of his generation. There was a small ceremony at my school, too. I wonder how many of today's junior high school kids know what Pearl Harbor is.
Now I sound like my father.
From the post:
"I don't know what you think of "celebrity 9/11".... It's a matter of taste, but they are trying, with decent enough sincere naivete."
Just my take.
Biff said...
stunned at how the booing at HRC was replaced by cheering when the concert was rebroadcasted. It would have been one thing to edit that sequence out of subsequent broadcasts and the eventual DVD. It was an entirely different thing to replace a crowd's contemptuous booing of a political figure with cheers. In retrospect, it was a clear sign of media manipulations to come.
From the Cookbook....
Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past
Takamine. He's playing a Japanese guitar.
He is such a FUCKING poser.
Is it just me, or does Springsteen look like Obama now?
Am I the only one who quits singin' along
Every time they play a Springsteen song?
Am I the only one sittin' here
Still holdin' on, holdin' back my tears
For the ones who paid with the lives they gave?
God bless the U.S.A.
I'm not the only one willin' to fight
For my love of the red and white
And the blue burnin' on the ground
Another statue comin' down in a town near you
Watchin' the threads of Old Glory come undone
I'm not the only one
I can't be the only one
- Aaron Lewis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0aFRWY4fE
'I am touched that Yoko Ono thought it worth commemorating 9/11, though. Her memories of NY can't be good.'
I don't know about that.
On December 9, 1980 she was probably worth a billion dollars more than the day before : )
A reader named Christopher emailed this:
I do think it's sincere. I'm a righty who has no patience for Bruce's politics, but I think he's genuine in trying to honor the moment today. And I teared up at Yoko's. I have a close connection to 9/11 and I can't take much of this today, so I'm not.
I rode that ferry many, many times, stood in that spot on the very same deck I'm sure, and saw exactly the same magnificent vista.
At Windsor Castle today, the Guard once again played the Star Spangled Banner in honor of the anniversary. If I have the story right, the Queen directed the same at Buckingham Palace immediately after the attacks in 2001, for the first time in history. This deeply moves me, all the more so given how shabbily the current Administration treated the Brits and all our allies during the botched retreat from Afghanistan.
If the Queen can overlook that betrayal for the sake of true heroes, and the bonds that remain, I should be able to do something like that, for one whole day.
Fuck Bruce Springsteen.
"Takamine. He's playing a Japanese guitar."
He's played a Fender Telecaster for most of his professional life, and he's played and owned Gibson acoustics as long as I can remember. Honestly, why do people need to gas off, as my grandmother used to call it, about shit they don't know?
I always liked John Lennon. But sincerity is not a word that comes to mind when a millionaire sings "Imagine no possessions"
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