Here's the book: "Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life."
I only noticed it just now because I was having an in-person conversation that caused me to need to check the exact reason why Toni Morrison called Bill Clinton "the first black President" and I landed on "It Was No Compliment to Call Bill Clinton 'The First Black President.'"
That was in The Atlantic. I hadn't stopped by The Atlantic in a long time, but while I was there, I noticed "What Happened to Jordan Peterson?/Adored guru and reviled provocateur, he dropped out of sight. Now the irresistible ordeal of modern cultural celebrity has brought him back."
Reading that, I was surprised to see that Peterson was "back" in the sense that he'd published a new book. The publication date was March 2d. You'd think I'd have tripped across that information by now.
I've put the book in my Kindle, and I'll get back to you about it.
For now, let's read a little of this Atlantic piece, which is — you can't tell from the headline — a book review. It's by Helen Lewis:
After nearly 400 pages, we learn that married people should have sex at least once a week, that heat and pressure turn coal into diamonds, that having a social life is good for your mental health, and that, for a man in his 50s, Peterson knows a surprising amount about Quidditch....
Peterson writes an entire chapter against ideologies—feminism, anti-capitalism, environmentalism, basically anything ending in ism—declaring that life is too complex to be described by such intellectual frameworks. Funny story: There’s an academic movement devoted to skepticism of grand historical narratives. It’s called … postmodernism.
That chapter concludes by advising readers to put their own lives in order before trying to change the world. This is not only a rehash of one of the previous 12 rules—“Clean up your bedroom,” he writes, because fans love it when you play the hits—but also ferocious chutzpah coming from a man who was on a lecture tour well after he should have gone to rehab.
The Peterson of Beyond Order, that preacher of personal responsibility, dances around the question of whether his own behavior might have contributed to his breakdown. Was it really wise to agree to all those brutal interviews, drag himself to all those international speaking events, send all those tweets that set the internet on fire?
Like a rock star spiraling into burnout, he was consumed by the pyramid scheme of fame, parceling himself out, faster and faster, to everyone who wanted a piece. Perhaps he didn’t want to let people down, and he loved to feel needed. Perhaps he enjoyed having an online army glorying in his triumphs and pursuing his enemies.
In our frenzied media culture, can a hero ever return home victorious and resume his normal life, or does the lure of another adventure, another dragon to slay, another “lib” to “own” always call out to him? Either way, he gazed into the culture-war abyss, and the abyss stared right back at him. He is every one of us who couldn’t resist that pointless Facebook argument, who felt the sugar rush of the self-righteous Twitter dunk, who exulted in the defeat of an opposing political tribe, or even an adjacent portion of our own....
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Perhaps he wanted to make money.
Re Clinton as first black president:
“People misunderstood that phrase,” Morrison would later say. “I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp.”
Re Jordan
The Peterson of Beyond Order, that preacher of personal responsibility, dances around the question of whether his own behavior might have contributed to his breakdown.
Interesting contrast.
Poor Helen Lewis is still waiting to get invited to anything, anywhere.
The sequel is rarely as good as the original. One exception is “Frankenstein, Part II.” I wrote the script based on the book.
Pre-ordered it on Audible. Downloaded it the other day. Haven't started it yet because I have three other books "in line in front of it". May comment on an overnight cafe post when I do.
THEOLDMAN
Have a blessed day. Make your bed. Don't point out others' faults before you start working on your own.
Morrison would later say. “I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp.”
That makes Trump the blackest President well ever have.
And Kamala so white she owes him reparations.
Bingo, Kevin.
My first impression is that her criticism is not as unfair as I would have expected. No, I don't think he was/is just any regular old culture warrior getting in pointless Twitter wars but she didn't call him a Nazi or anything.
One of Peterson's claims, and one that should not be controversial, is that ideology is bad because it limits our ability to converse. No matter what issue is being addressed, the racist ideologue (for example) can only talk about race.
Helen Lewis is a feminist. What is the root of her critique of Peterson?
His maleness. It is all she can talk about. She is literally unable to consider Peterson apart from his biological sex. All of his ideas are a reaction to it, according to Lewis.
Pull quote from The Atlantic piece:
Growing up in Fairview, Alberta, Peterson was small for his age, which fostered both a quick wit and a fascination with the power and violence of traditional masculinity. He once recounted in a Facebook post how he’d overheard a neighbor named Tammy Roberts joking with another girl that she wanted to keep her surname, so she would have to marry “some wimp.” Then she turned around and proposed to the teenage Jordan. He spent a youthful summer working on a railroad in Saskatchewan, with an all-male group that nicknamed him Howdy Doody, after the freckle-faced puppet. As a student, he visited a maximum-security prison, where he was particularly struck by a convict with a vicious scar right down his chest, which he surmised might have come from surgery or an ax wound: “The injury would have killed a lesser man, anyway—someone like me.”
Peterson is an object lesson in what PR flaks call "overexposure". His Phoenix act is quite impressive.
“Like anybody, I would like to have a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will.”
Peterson is lucky to have come out of the whale’s belly alive.
The hero with a thousand faces.
As it is currently in the top 10 on Amazon, the book obviously sells itself. However for a writer who has sold many millions of books, kind of expected more media support from his publisher, curious that is.
Very well done schadenfruede.
Peterson actually ventures into the belly of the beast and argues with the commies!
He’s a shrink. The shrink world is 99.9% commie. So, Peterson is hated for being a turncoat.
I turned down all offers to be a pundit or to lend my multimedia skills to political propaganda over the past year and a half. Not nearly enough money to justify the guff.
I would need a very considerable boost from a variety of drugs to put up with the assholes Peterson engages.
I’m going to the trouble of commenting from my phone because I find her review so offensive. I heard about the book during an interview Peterson did with Dave Rubin on Sunday. It was excellent and at some points very moving. I think Peterson pulls no punches about his health problems. His sudden thrust into the spotlight was hard to understand.
He wrote this second book as a complement to the first one. The first was contra Chaos, while this one speaks to the problem of too much Order. I’ve had many, many hours in the car lately so I bought his book on Audible. I’m about three hours in (Peterson can be dense so I have to listen to other things and I do a lot of re-listening) I would say it is very worthwhile.
He does know a lot about Quidditch! But Harry Potter is a terrific vehicle for some of his points, eminently relatable to the audience who most needs his message. I’m glad he’s back and at least healthy enough to create this book. I look forward to your thoughts on it, Ann!
Failing to completely follow his own rules and advice does not negate or invalidate them. And he eventually retreated from public life to essentially make his bed, no? Her description of the essence of social media is quite good and, to me, perfectly accurate. Not that I ever was one of the people other people paid attention to on FB and Twitter, but my mental health was improved by quitting participating on them.
Helen Lewis said, "Funny story: There’s an academic movement devoted to skepticism of grand historical narratives. It’s called … postmodernism."
...as if postmodernism is the only possible framework for skepticism of grand historical narratives, never mind whether it is even a good framework for that purpose. That's the sort of snark that a healthy Peterson would level in his sleep.
Unfortunately, I think part of the reason that we haven't heard more about the new book is that he isn't entirely back to full health, and it is possible he may never make it all the way back. He certainly has improved since his first tentative steps back onto the public stage of YouTube. It also seems pretty clear that he isn't quite strong enough yet to go on a book tour and do a rigorous schedule of interviews and promotional activities. That's ok. He tries to grapple with ideas that are certain to be with us long after Twitter and the Atlantic are forgotten, and he does it in public. He's a much braver person than most of us ever will be.
She's really bending categories to note that Peterson finds "anything ending with an -ism" not complex enough and then claiming that's pretty much postmodernism. I can't tell if she is being stupid or dishonest about that. Perhaps "shallow thinker" would cover both. It would also fit with her mind-reading about what caused him to need to got to rehab in another country.
@ Biff - great timing!
Helen Lewis seems to see Peterson’s main failing, besides being male, as his willingness to step beyond the ivy tower and bring his ideas to general audiences. Immersed in pop culture herself, and obviously seeking media attention, she snipes about his interest in pop culture and his vast media exposure.
But what she is really bitching about is his appeal to and respect for his proletarian male fan base. It’s fine for elite public school (in the British sense) feminists to dabble in video game culture or Facebook, so long as they’re only speaking to each other. But to invite the rubes in! Worse, rubes with penises! American rubes with their American penises sometimes!
British feminism is an enigma: it produces a few women who are unusually resistant to silly ideas, while the rest of them seem especially stupid and loud.
As Peterson himself said, he got booted from the top spots because of the racist bigot Dr. Seuss. He's a victim or racism.
And yes, he was joking.
Maybe you hadn’t heard about it because your information sources are carefully curated to prevent you from seeing people who have been denounced.
I thought JP's first book was very good, albeit poorly edited (could have been much shorter), and I plan to buy this one now that I know about it. Seems like a poor marketing job by his pubisher.
Steve Jobs' widow is majority owner of Atlantic. Big tech money propping up another liberal media bullhorn.
I find her "review" to be a bit on the thin side. I am not entirely sure she actually read the book. Mine was delivered on the 2nd and I'm still making my way through it.
The other reason you may not have heard about the book is that, for the most part, the mainstream press is not acknowledging it. They were glad he went away. They are hoping to keep him smaller this time around. No reason to get the young peasants riled up again.
But he has fans, hence, the books initial popularity. Not so for Helen Lewis, who comes at Peterson, not with an objective mind, but with her story already written, just looking for a few out of context nuggets to act as proof of her correctness. Here's a twitter post by Lewis discussing Peterson's comments (out of context, no doubt) on having children when younger. Helen Lewis opines.
Somehow she's managing to simply look for things to negate. Her snark is a defensive position, bolstering her arrogance as she looks down on the sub-intelligent Peterson.
She sounds so commonly progressive.
In the back of my mind I knew his new book was dropping sometime in March. But I can't remember how, specifically, I knew that. Then the Amazon email-bot sent me a reminder day-of-release, since as a customer they pretty much have me nailed
I'd like Clarence Thomas to be president.
The first REAL black president.
The left would reveal their rage and hate filled racism. Because for the left, it's all about leftwing pols first and foremost.
I see it’s #10 on the Amazon best seller list, behind 8 Dr. Seuss books and the Sister Soulja novel Life After Death.
The left hate Peterson because he advocates for personal responsibility.
the left hate that.
"is every one of us who couldn’t resist that pointless Facebook argument, who felt the sugar rush of the self-righteous Twitter dunk, who exulted in the defeat of an opposing political tribe"
But that's not what he did.
Anyway, 12 more rules -- how many do we need?
Just a thought. Peterson's speaking, especially ex-tem, is delightful. His writing, however, is tedious and somewhat labored. I never finished the first book. Won't buy the second. I say that not only as a fan of his thinking and presentations, but as one who lived in northern Alberta for several years ... so his accent is comfortingly familiar. Thus when I read the book it was easy to add his accent to the written word. That still could not overcome the mediocre quality of his writing, however excellent the ideas behind it.
A great deal of JBP's fame was down to having a publisher (a division of Penguin) and credit with elite society. Cancellation is in full swing, yet more than a few JBP fans think he's suffering because his publisher is less than enthusiastic. And he's taking it far less well than Milo has. JBP is too mentally fragile to handle this mild pushback, so what is he going to do when journalists start digging into his trip to Russia for supposed BZD addiction?
You might think I'm jealous, but that's far from the case. Roosh and Milo, whatever you might think about their politics, have both become vastly less materialistic and much more interesting since they tapped out of the fame cycle. And I'm quite willing to be fair to Peterson, even if I'm not remotely interested in getting self-help advice from someone with unprecedented intolerance to apple cider. For instance, a 50-year old man who knows about Quidditch is entirely understandable: unlike Helen Lewis, Jordan Peterson actually has a child. If anything, it speaks well to his abilities as a father that he could follow along with his daughter's interests.
Amazon is censoring the new Thomas Sowell book.
That Atlantic "review" is just another hit piece, selecting or ignoring data points as helps advance the preferred narrative, casting what is left in the worst possible light, and then conveying what all smart people should think about the subject with snide comments.
I guess there is a market for that among the idiocracy that thinks itself smart and elite, or The Atlantic and its ilk would find a different mode of discussion.
For me, both links go to the Coates piece, neither to Lewis.
The Atlantic has become such a reactionary leftist rag; their review of anything Peterson ever said or did would necessarily have to be a completely predictable hit job.
He took a stand against mindless leftism and survived it. The nerve of that guy!
He positioned himself squarely against a bunch of deranged power-mad lunatics, and I will side with him every day in that battle. Peterson has his quirks but I will forever admire and respect his courage for taking that stand.
Very snide review. It sounds like the sort of thing one could write about David Brooks or any other popular guru. But why bother? Engage with the ideas, or if they aren't worth it, move on to something else.
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said... The left hate Peterson because he advocates for personal responsibility. the left hate that
This x1000.
It gets in the way of playing the victim card. They want everyone to not just think like a victim, but to become one — think about how evil that position is. It’s dysfunctional for people to think that way — even if it’s true!
Watch the video with Dave Rubin and Dr. Peterson that took place recently. You will understand the man after that.
The meta-narrative is that if you belong to the intellectual class, you can appeal to either people like Helen Lewis (graduate degree, feminist, progressive), or you can appeal to Nazi's and incels.
That is it. Those are the only audiences that an intellectual author can appeal to.
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
The left hate Peterson because he advocates for personal responsibility.
Yes. He also advocates learning to manage your own life before trying to manage others' lives.
Victim mongering is what the left does best.
behind lying, cheating, stuffing international money into their pockets, screwing over the American working class...
How long until Amazon bans sale of Jordan Peterson books? It's not at all farfetched. A bookseller banning books is, to me, the most horrifying aspect of our current "culture." It's wicked and immoral, something that has driven me to avoid Amazon. Evil may be too mild a word for that company.
...Peterson knows a surprising amount about Quidditch....
This just proves that Helen Lewis knows nothing about Jordan Peterson. There are numerous clips on YouTube of him lecturing one of his university classes and using Disney films as examples because they're based largely on classical tropes and how such things give insight into human psychology. In using Quidditch he's just trying to make things more relatable to readers who haven't been exposed to older works, but have an intimate knowledge of Harry Potter.
Jordan Peterson interviews > Jordan Peter books, but this one is still a top best-seller despite the mainstream JP embargo. I hope it sells 10 million copies, because nothing is better than in life than refuting the power of the blob. I just bought a copy. Incidentally, his new book is only the 3rd search result on Amazon for "Jordan Peterson." Two books by other people preceded it, so even my personal Amazon bot which must know I like him, is trying to nudge me away.
Another Helen--Andrews, who also has a book out--says the second last paragraph of the Atlantic piece should have been the lead:
To imagine that Peterson is popular in spite of his contradictions and human frailties—the things that drive his critics mad—is a mistake: He is popular because of them. For a generation that has lost its faith in religion and politics, he is one of notably few prominent figures willing to confront the most fundamental questions of existence: What’s the point of being alive? What kind of personal journey endows our existence with meaning? He is, in many ways, countercultural. He doesn’t offer get-rich-quick schemes, or pickup techniques. He is not libertine or libertarian. He promises that life is a struggle, but that it is ultimately worthwhile.
When will liberals learn that a dripping sneer is not a book review.
There's a lesson here for Althouse if she can see it. Just last week she derided those that encouraged her to peruse more "conservative" media.
He grapples with ideas, most authors of this type dont even bother.
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Helen Lewis' review perfectly encapsulates Matt Taibbi's hypothesis that most writers approach a subject these days from the perspective "What does my audience want to hear?". The possibility that Lewis would pen a review from the perspective of anything besides a snarky take down....well, it's just not possible when writing for The Atlantic's audience.
Althouse might not spend as much time with alternative media on YouTube as millennials like myself--we're all highly aware JBP is back and have already watched several hours of recent interviews.
My copy of Beyond Order arrived yesterday, and I've already blasted through a few chapters!
The Atlantic "review" is an obvious hit piece, btw.
No tennessee coates is deep sixing the superman franchise, this is a step up from his black panther run.
When Janis Joplin or Lenny Bruce followed their demons to an early grave, it was said that they were destroyed by an uncaring and uncomprehending society. If society had only understand their talents and virtue, then they would not have needed to indulge in drugs.....The thing to know about Jordan Peterson's addictions is that they prove he's a weakling and has no standing to lecture us on anything. So fuck him.
But what she is really bitching about is his appeal to and respect for his proletarian male fan base.
I sent a copy of the first book to my leftist middle daughter. I did not expect her to read it. She loved it and thanked me. Since then she has married and has a gorgeous 18 month old daughter. Her daughter is starting to talk but has also invented her own sign language. Several signs are "Thank you" and "That hurts."
We don't talk politics but she is loving motherhood.
At my age, self help books are irrelevant. If I actually found the handle on this mess, it would just make the pain of all those wasted years all the more poignant. Better to continue on my fool's errand to the grave. I eat well and am not in pain. That's sufficient....I have seen some of his lectures. He presents his arguments in a sympathetic fashion and his ideas make sense. Maybe for younger people it's all to the good.....Has anyone ever been helped by a self help book? I was recently reading a biography of Samuel Johnson. Back in his time, they used to read religious tracts in order to become better people. From what I can tell, they didn't seem to do much good, but I guess they gave the readers some hope of improving. We're definitely mutable so I guess change for the better is theoretically possible.
I read my way through Jordan Peterson with two others slowly over a month. This reviewer probably skimmed it in a night and then read through the top Google articles on the long controversy, creating a typical Atlantic shallow-depth article. Shallow-depth is a rhetorical device not pioneered by the Atlantic but completely mastered by its stable of New Illiterates. Looking back at Peterson, it seems to me that he was using anthropology and psychology and the social media in general on behalf of an ordinary person to build, not destroy. It brought him fame. How to handle immense fame is an psychological issue all by itself - with a social dimension in the era of social media. It wouldn't surprise me if Peterson acquired some social insights during his fame-ordeal. In fact, the reviewer acknowledges this at the end where she quotes Peterson as saying: “We compete for attention, personally, socially, and economically,” [Peterson] writes in Beyond Order. “No currency has a value that exceeds it.” The reviewer then remarks: "But attention [fame] is a perilous drug: The more we receive, the more we desire. It is the culture war’s greatest reward..."
I'm going to get the second book and read it slowly.
12 more? Why didn't he tell us there were 24 in the first place?
Again, it reminds me of Mel Brooks' 15 commandments joke : )
"I'd like Clarence Thomas to be president."
Or Thomas Sowell.
I'd be happy either way.
And if we could bring back the late Walter Williams as treasury secretary we'd really have something : )
But I'm a racist...don't listen to me.
Here's some pushback on Helen Lewis:
Jordan Peterson Was A Victim Of Vicious Critics — And He Still Is
Here's the whole Ravi Shankar piece as it appeared on page 53 of the NYT that day. There's not much more to the article, but, my God, what you see on that page!
I was hoping for a screenshot. I can't see it without a subscription.
Youtube video: Dave Rubin Interviews Jordan Peterson
I'm a big fan of both gentlemen. Rubin toured with Peterson all over the world promoting the first book. They sold out arenas all over the US, Europe and Australia.
AA, I don't know what this statement says about your reading/information sources? "...The publication date was March 2d. You'd think I'd have tripped across that information by now..."
I and other commenters have many times told you that most of your information is derived from Liberal sources like - NY Times, WaPo, etc. You're not going to "have tripped across" data which is against the Liberal Meme from those Liberal MSM sites. You need to offset these sources of propoganda with more Conservative sources of propoganda. LOL!
Peterson's writings and teachings speak to true human nature, which is immutable. And furthermore the acknowledgement and respect of true human nature can form the basis of a life altering self-realization and self-actualization. Big stuff,eh? But I think JP has got a lot it right, and most importantly, he is able to communicate this vital information to a large audience.
All the ism's that Helen Lewis and our current academic elite espouse - post modernism, feminism, etc. - exhibit minimal knowledge of true human nature and therefore are fundamentally false ideologies. The current ism's will give way to newer fabricated intellectual fads soon enough.
Jordan Peterson has relentlessly sought the truth about human nature and behavior, and has written about it as he found it. Shakespeare knew and understood what really makes human beings tick, and that is why his work endures and his characters are recognizable today. Truth endures. Time always tells.
Like Doug Adams, JP has 42 rules. He has another book and a half still in him.
https://lifetools.wordpress.com/2019/08/23/petersons-42-rules-from-quora/
Because he's boring. And depressed. His moment of being a lobster under the sun has passed.
There's only so many of the castrated, conservative high-pitched whiny voices that people look forward to hearing, if even in their mind while reading. The voices spoken or written of Shapiro, Levin, Limbaugh and Peterson just comprise a cacophony of conservative castrati that eventually any sane mind manly or womanly will need to tune out to remain sane.
What a pathetic review. It attempts to review Peterson instead of his book. This is an incredibly intellectually dishonest thing to do.
People shouldn't try to make other people look bad for going to rehab. Going to rehab is a very courageous thing to do. It's the ones who don't go to rehab, when they should, that have a bigger problem.
Notice the detractors are resident village idiot Howard and this hpudding dipshit.
There is more to the Peterson story. A doctor had him on the drug. When he tried to stop using the drug, he experienced heart problems. The doctor then tried to wean him off the drug with office visits, and when problems occurred, the doctor had him rushed to the hospital. He was later put into a facility where he could be monitored around the clock while they carefully removed him from that drug, while giving him other drugs to make that possible. Peterson didn't self-medicate.
I'm not going to read the article at the link.
If no one else mentioned it in detail, Peterson took time off recently to recover from among other things an addiction to prescription anti-anxiety medication.
I'd always remembered Clinton was referred to that way because he played saxophone and he was a dawg. But I was watching a lot of Arsenio Hall back then.
"A bookseller banning books is, to me, the most horrifying aspect of our current "culture."
In that long-ago time before Amazon, when bricks-and-mortar bookstores were practically everywhere, these stores did not have the space to offer everything. Yet (the excuse for Amazon's bad behavior goes) no one accused them of "censoring" books.
What the excuse leaves out is that practically all of these bookstores were willing to order anything in print for you; you just had to ask. I don't recall anyone ever saying, "It's in print but we won't sell it to you because it's hate speech."
What Amazon is doing in refusing to sell books it finds disagreeable is truly unprecedented.
From the online catalog of a local public library:
"Mein Kampf by Hitler, Adlof, 1889-1945.
Edition: Mein Kampf Unabridged Volumes Collection, volume I & II.
Mein Kampf / by Adolf Hitler, translated into English by James Murphy.
Description: 544 pages ; 23 cm
320.533 H675"
(Although I'd be surprised if any public library makes a display of "books banned by Amazon," as these books are mostly the same books the ALA and public-librarians have negative interest in acquiring. And, no, you can't get it on the shelf by buying it yourself and donating it, as they'll just sell it and use the proceeds to buy what they want to buy.)
In a lecture I once heard a rabbi say, "Every one of your actions should reflect your deepest values," and I thought to myself, "That's a great standard but it's an impossible standard."
The fact that Jordan Peterson has human failings shouldn't negate everthing he says. I hope he continues to provide a lot of people with worthwhile guidance.
Now, I literally have to go clean some rooms.
I gave up on the ATLANTIC yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago.
https://youtu.be/j0GL_4cAkhI?t=2865
Last few minutes is like nothing I've ever seen. Anyone who doesn't love him after watching this has lost their humanity.
Who has done more good than Jordan Peterson in the last 5 years? Mike Rowe? Anybody else (outside the despicable realm of our politics)?
Temujin linked to an off piste Helen Lewis tweet wherein she comments on a Peterson remark about age and female fertility.
https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1366803093229359115
Peterson : "... Decide that you want children when you are 29 or 30, and then be unable to have them: I would not recommend that. You will not recover."
Lewis : “First up, there is almost no woman who is fertile in her 20s who isn't fertile at 30.”
The facts, courtesy of https://www.kinderzeit.org/en/fertility-by-age/
Age chances of pregnancy within 12 months chances of being barren
20 86% 3%
21 84% 3%
22 83% 4%
23 81% 4%
24 80% 5%
25 78% 5%
26 75% 6%
27 72% 6%
28 69% 7%
29 66% 7%
30 63% 8%
31 61% 9%
32 59% 11%
33 56% 12%
34 54% 14%
35 52% 15%
So, in reality female fertility does not start declining when you’re 30, it starts declining when you’re 20. And by the age of 30, 5% of women who were fertile at 20, are fertile no longer. Whether 5% constitutes “almost no women” depends on your interpretation of that phrase. There will be about 2.2 million American women turning 30 this year. Of those, about 100,000 were fertile at 20, but are now barren.
On the good side, of course, the stats show that even at 35, the majority of women have no difficulty in getting pregnant within a year.
But it does look like, if you’re a woman who’s really keen on reproducing, and you want to avoid disappointment, the time to start trying is right away, and “don’t worry, almost no women who are fertile in her twenties isn’t fertile at 30” is rather bad advice.
Browsing the net, these statistics are often grouped into five year chunks, which rather disguises the fact that the decline is pretty steady and relentless from age 20. Even from age 20 to 26, the chances of being barren has doubled.
" He also advocates learning to manage your own life before trying to manage others' lives."
I don't think that's quite what he's saying, and I doubt you meant it that way, but just to clarify: even the person with a perfectly-managed life has no business trying to run mine.
Peterson is vulnerable to her line of attack, and she writes it well.
I don't care about his personal failings (and maybe those who aren't naturally robustly well have an acute awareness of environmental threats) but rather his vaguities. He's mostly pomp+fluff.
Started it and soon bailed. The first 30-40 pages don't present anything you didn't get in your Psych 101 survey course 20 years ago -- except Peterson's illustrative anecdotes. They're not enough to rescue this book.
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