"... because it is designed explicitly for the same reason as Jim Crow did, to block communities of color from active participation in choosing the leadership that will guide their democracy... In the last two election cycles, we saw a dramatic increase in the number of voters of color who voted by mail, the number of young people who used early voting, the number of African Americans who voted on Saturday and Sunday.... We saw unprecedented levels of turnout across the board. And so every single metric of voter access that has been a good in Georgia is now under attack.... This is entirely driven by the existential crisis of a Republican Party that has decided that rather than adapt to the changing needs of the populace, it is easier to stop the people from participating."
Said Stacey Abrams, quoted in "Georgia Republicans Pass the Most Restrictive Voting Laws Since Jim Crow" (Mother Jones).
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Bahahahhahhahahahhahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahhaahhahahahhahahahhahahhahah.....And once again, it is coming from DEMOCRATS!!! THEY are the ones who put RACE into everything. They see white Supremacists behind every tree and bush too!!!
How is showing an ID Racist when you need an ID to do just about EVERYTHING in American society??? Me thinks they protest too much....because they have lots of cheating left to do.
It's okay to claim that one only lost a Georgia election because of election-related crimes by one's opponents when Democrats claim that.
I, myself, will NEVER vote by mail again (not Absentee ballot), actually forced to vote by mail as my vote never counted. They received it, but they didn't count it. It happened to MANY of us in New Jersey.
It would seem that obtaining a state ID is simply beyond the capacity of a plurality of black folk.
And we would expect Stacey Abrams to say... what?
If I was working for her, this is the script I would write. It's a good thing for her that she's not aware of all the black people in Georgia I know personally that are able to see how demeaning this looks.
Actually, that's not true. She knows them too, but she's a careerist that just doesn't care.
What's happening in Georgia is a microcosm of a broader trend in the country. Regardless of the motivation, it has a certain reek of desperation as the GOP clearly sees the demographic writing on the wall. Georgia's white population is aging and in decline, it's non-white population has increased, and immigration has driven down its median age. Whites will likely be a minority in Georgia by the end of the decade.
Just because someone prefers to vote by mail, it doesn’t STOP them from voting in person.
A real party of science wouldn’t advance such obvious falsehoods.
A real media wouldn’t keep repeating them.
Whites will likely be a minority in Georgia by the end of the decade.
There goes another woke person assuming people vote by the color of their skin.
Can't Governor Abrams just veto the bill if she doesn't like it?
If a person really wants to vote, they can.
The Dems are using race in order to hide their vote stealing.
In the last two election cycles, we saw a dramatic increase in the number of voters of color who voted by mail, the number of young people who used early voting, the number of African Americans who voted on Saturday and Sunday
We saw a dramtic increase because the ballot harvesters are pushing these ballots in people's faces. It's by design, not by demand.
It sounds like Stacey Abrahms is saying things that undermine our Democracy. SHe's practically starting an insurrection.
Whites will likely be a minority in Georgia by the end of the decade.
Then I assume it will be perfectly fine for that minority to demand laws that ensure their equity, and create groups about how their lives matter.
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
And... FAT!
And 30+ counties in Florida have been unable to provide the required chain-of-custody documentation for some 400K mail-in ballots.
Every adult citizen has an equal right to vote. That doesn't not mean voting should be as easy as possible. Showing up is like the $3 door charge at a bar that keeps the homeless out of the bathroom. An uninformed vote is worse than no vote at all. If you don't care enough to show up, then you don't care enough to inform yourself about your own issues. Democracy is better served if these people don't vote than if they do.
Plus, elections were one of the last remaining things we did together as a society, where rich and poor alike had to show up, stand line, and perform the same act in the same manner with voices of equal weight. With advance voting, mail in voting, it's just some nothing to tick off your to do list sometime in the fall.
"Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids." or "Minorities... don't know how to use, know how to get online."
What do you expect of the minority left when this is what the President you voted for thinks of YOU????
This is entirely driven by the existential crisis of a Republican Party that has decided that rather than adapt to the changing needs
When people had only horses, and then only one car, they managed to get in to vote. This isn't about the changing needs of the populace. The populace needs a government issued ID more than ever. This is about the changing needs of those controlling how voting is done. The Democrats prefer it be done with very few controls.
Somehow everyone in the country managed to buy a mask a year ago without being hand held through the process. So if you really thing your life depends on it you can figure it out.
In other news, these same people are thinking of new ways to make it more difficult to own a gun.
Because, shut up.
We vote in person to keep the ballot secret and the voter free from intimidation.
Both of these principles are core to freedom and democracy.
How can you tell mail-in-voting is too dangerous/delicate to be investigated? Questioning of it by the people who were voting was banned by the outlets that carried our voices.
Things that work well should be able to stand up to vigorous testing, prodding, and poking. We changed the way we did things, changed it in a major way, and we weren't allowed to talk about what was happening.
I see J. Farmer is pushing the BlueAnon narrative.
Let's try this. How about a free and fair election where everybody who is eligible to vote votes? And everybody who isn't eligible to vote doesn't? And everybody only gets one vote?
I don't care who you vote for . It's your vote. You'll notice J. that I didn't specify race or ethnicity. That's because I don't care. This is the conservative position. Every election I vote in person and have to prove who I am. I don't look at this as a great imposition for the right of exercising my franchise. No one, especially conservatives, are trying to disenfranchise anybody. But by your narrative you want to encourage people who aren't qualified to vote a vote. Specifically. I don't care how this is accomplished. Voter ID,(We get them in Illinois and are almost never asked for, dip a finger in a pot of ink. Whatever. Just insure that every legal vote is counted and every illegal vote is punished to the fullest extent of the law.
How difficult can it be?
It's ironic that people who claim something is like Jim Crow have never actually lived under Jim Crow.
I guess it’s naive to think there should be a huge majority supporting rules that make it easy to vote, and hard to cheat.
Sad.
As an immigrant who jumped through hoops to become a citizen - to have the ability to vote as a major reason - it makes me furious that these people want to allow all and sundry to cast a vote, and even marginally less scrupulous people to vote multiple times, with no checks in place to ensure this doesn’t happen.
Every citizen has a right to vote. It is easy to register. It is easy to verify that you are who you say you are through an ID scheme. It is easy to show up at a location to cast that vote, either before or on the final day of voting. The governments are obligated to ensure the integrity of that system.
How difficult can it be?
Desperately difficult.
For years, the Black vote-counters in Atlanta have been told that Black voting has been suppressed by racist Republicans. In recent years, they have been told that Stacey Abrams really won the election for Governor, but her election was stolen from her by racist Republicans.
That is why in 2020 the Black vote-counters in Atlanta stole elections from racist Republicans. The leaking-water lie was part of that revengeful vote-stealing.
Wisdom from the Low Expectations file drawer = Expect little and you'll never be disappointed.
I never Abrams to ever say anything intelligent.
So far, I haven't been disappointed.
Virtually EVERY modern industrialized country REQUIRES you show up in person and identify yourself, prove you are who you say you are and are eligible to vote.
Why on earth would Democrats be opposed to that? Only explanation is they WANT illegal voters. Period.
I look forward effective tweeks to assure safe, secure and accurate voting.
But. One simple procedure is avoided like a plaque.
The Number of votes cast. One hour after the poll closes, each voting precinct declares the number of votes cast.
Even Republicans fail to ask for this simple protection.
Ah Stacey Abrams, always judging actions by the color of people's skin.
Failing to cite the obstruction of poll watchers, the blocking of transparent vote auditing and lack of chain of custody documents is the tell. Every avenue to authenticate the voting process has been blocked. Threatening state level sanctions against those who question the outcomes. The proponents of Russian Collusion say "Trust Me". "No USA at all" is here bigly.
Kevin is on fire this morning with all great points.
My guess is the security fence and razor wire around the Capitol is left up to prepare for the eventual passage of HR1 right after they blow up the filibuster. Then it won’t even matter what the individual states try to do with their elections. The elites will tell us how it goes and it will be just like CA. Just think of the good they can accomplish with 50 votes.
Stolen elections have consequences........ya know
More journolist carp
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@Kevin:
There goes another woke person assuming people vote by the color of their skin.
Another woke person? Haha. Boy have you missed the mark.
But sure, thinking that demographic transformation in places like California or Virginia has had an effect on electoral outcomes is crazy stuff.
Good Morning this is CNN (deep voice has been replaced by Trans falsetto)
It is 6 AM on the East Coast on this the First Tuesday in November.
The Polls are open.
We will bring you the results on our 6:30 AM segment.
But now we go live to Detroit where President Elect Whitmer is hold her first news conference, together with Vice President elect Abrams whose SPOX has a prepared statement on racism in America.
How about atlanta detroit and milwaukee the usual suspects the suspension of voter 1d the phony leak story.
“Demographic change” is a red herring when the original topic is ballot integrity.
Don’t take the bait.
@Rusty:
It's your vote. You'll notice J. that I didn't specify race or ethnicity. That's because I don't care. This is the conservative position.
Good for you. Keep following that position. It's worked out so well for you. Is it the conservative position that culture does not matter? If no, if it does matter, then how can race and ethnicity not matter?
LET ALL THE VOTES COUNT!!!
if a person wants to vote...It's RACIST to try to stop them
We NEED to let people vote as much as they want! Two, Three, FOUR times!
He really is that gullible,
It's not just in-person voting. Early voting has to go, too. For a civil intellectual exchange, it's required that the participants listen to each other. That doesn't happen when one participant has already committed to a specific course of action.
@New profile who dis?:
“Demographic change” is a red herring when the original topic is ballot integrity.
Don’t take the bait.
Good advice. Keep arguing about the arrangement of the Titanic's deckchairs and pay no attention to that giant iceberg ahead.
The same problem obtains
https://mobile.twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1369037739535007747
If no, if it does matter, then how can race and ethnicity not matter?
Straw man. Who said that? There is a difference between thinking "race doesn't matter" and thinking race should drive policy decisions like the proggies and you.
They passed the same laws here in Montana but Jim Crow hasn't come up.
Voting is a horrible burden. The noble Democrats want to relieve us of that burden. In fact, they have shown that they are willing to shoulder the load by literally voting for us. In some cases they even help us by casting more votes that there are voters. That, my friends, is real compassion and real devotion to the cause of removing the painful burdens of democracy.
What do you expect of the minority left when this is what the President you voted for thinks of YOU????
The Minneapolis City government, besides having already decided that St. Floyd was "killed", had a plan to pay ethnic "influencers" to provide information about Chauvin's trial to "under-represented communities that don’t rely on mainstream media for news", which is Newspeak for "everyone except white people":
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Social media influencers to help dispel disinformation[sic]
The city plan includes paid partnerships with “trusted messengers” with a large social media presence to share “city-generated and approved messages” and dispel misinformation. ...
The city is finalizing contracts with six social media influencers to share messages with the African American, American Indian, East African, Hmong and Latino/a/x communities, she said."
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The same council of woke whites who voted to eliminate the police.
Blacks are unable to vote in person because of inability to find an address and master time-telling.
Early voting has to go, too. For a civil intellectual exchange, it's required that the participants listen to each other. That doesn't happen when one participant has already committed to a specific course of action.
What a ridiculous argument. So if you supported Donald Trump from his announcement that he was running, you shouldn't be able to vote because you have already committed to a specific course of action?
Early voting merely grants access to those people who have schedules (since there is no right to take off work to vote and voting is generally scheduled for a weekday, primarily Tuesday) that make it difficult or impossible to vote on voting day. What is your problem with that?
Everyone on this thread needs to find the thing they most disagree with.
They need to READ it. Reformulate it in their own words. Ask the person who posted it to agree or clarify.
Farmer is right. Politics is downstream from culture.
Farmer is wrong. Race is not ultimately determinist.
There is a deeper issue in society that goes past the globalist/political class clutching desperately to power through voter fraud.
Our brains are being reprogrammed to filter out everything we disagree with. You need to break down that barrier first before we can talk and find solutions that work for the large majority of us.
But sure, thinking that demographic transformation in places like California or Virginia has had an effect on electoral outcomes is crazy stuff.
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I've been assured by Ezra Klein that the problem with California is that Californians are too conservative.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/opinion/california-san-francisco-schools.html
Never mind
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/oath-keepers-leader-seen-roger-stone-near-dc-hotel-jan-6-arrested-fbi/
Freder Frederson said...
What a ridiculous argument. So if you supported Donald Trump from his announcement that he was running, you shouldn't be able to vote because you have already committed to a specific course of action?
No. You don't get to do whatever you want or whatever is easiest for you.
That is not how a strong society is built. You take responsibility. You do things that are difficult. You do things that help other people and for the greater good.
Early voting merely grants access to those people who have schedules (since there is no right to take off work to vote and voting is generally scheduled for a weekday, primarily Tuesday) that make it difficult or impossible to vote on voting day. What is your problem with that?
I will give you early voting if you give me a regularly updated public database of registered voters that includes:
An address.
A picture.
A copy of the relevant government ID.
I also demand that after every election 5% of voters who are marked as voting are contacted at their given address in a completely random sample by scientific definition.
I also demand that when a person votes early a picture is taken of them as they vote and this picture and their picture in the voter database is saved in an indestructible electronic media in a database of people that voted in that election.
@D.D. Driver:
Straw man. Who said that?
The commenter I addressed and quoted, Rusty, said, "You'll notice J. that I didn't specify race or ethnicity. That's because I don't care. This is the conservative position."
There is a difference between thinking "race doesn't matter" and thinking race should drive policy decisions like the proggies and you.
I said nothing about "policy decisions." If one political party relies on older, rural whites for their support, and another relies on younger, urban nonwhites for their support, the fact that one group is declining and the other ascending is relevant.
“This is entirely driven by the existential crisis of a Republican Party that has decided that rather than adapt to the changing needs”
The existential crisis is on the left, with the Democrats. That is why they had to cheat so egregiously this last election, and why they are so desperate to pass HR-1.
Their basic problem is quasi tactical. The Republicans have the interior lines. They essentially represent the middle class, regardless of skin color, from trades workers up through state college and university graduates. The Dems, on the other hand represent the very rich and those on welfare. So, last year, for example, their militant wing burned down minority communities, in the name of fighting racism, and pushed eliminating the police, when the people most in need of police protection are poor minorities. In legitimate voting, Hispanics and Black males moved decidedly towards the Republicans in this last election, seeing what the Democrats were doing to them. The bulk of Black communities want more, not less, policing, yet, the white power base, George Soros, etc, demand, and are getting from Dem politicians, just the opposite. The businesses burned out last year were very often minority owned, and even when they weren’t, they served minority, and esp Black, communities. Most of the country takes for granted easily available food, etc, while poor Black inner city communities across the country are turning into food deserts. A lot of the businesses burned out last year at the instigation of radical white Dem militants won’t return to poor Black communities for a generation. That is the existential problem - that the Dem politicians elected by minorities stood aside and let these Dem militants burn down the neighborhoods of the minorities who had elected them to office. Of course, Democrats have always, for better than 200 years, been the party trying to keep Blacks on plantations. Nothing has really changed.
Well, things have changed a bit, ultimately probably to the Republicans’ advantage. It used to be that the Republicans were the party of the upper middle class and the rich, while the Democrats were the party of the poor and those just above them on the economic ladder. The break was, at one time between organized labor and non-union and management. The line was reasonably easy to maintain, except that organized labor in the private sector lost much of their membership to technology. Instead, more and more, the powers running the Dem party came from the rich, as well as liberal arts educated whites. (I think a lot of that was originally a result of LBJ’s mismanagement of the Vietnam war, where these groups evaded service through protesting, leaving the fighting and dying to the less fortunate). In any case, there seems to have been some movement from the top tiers of the white upper middle class to the Democrats, while skilled labor has moved decisively towards the Republicans, and minorities, seeing what voting for Dems gets them, are starting to move in that direction.
Ask yourself this - how many minorities prefer mass unfettered (illegal) immigration? It is an article of faith with the white Dem leadership, as evidenced by its priority in the new Biden Administration. But is disliked by the Hispanic communities, and hated by Blacks. That is because they are the ones paying most of the price for allowing all these illiterate peasants to enter this country.
The result of the steal is more theft
https://mobile.twitter.com/michelepexner/status/1369259365002264580
@Achilles:
Farmer is right. Politics is downstream from culture.
Farmer is wrong. Race is not ultimately determinist.
I hate to quarrel with someone I agree with, but I do not believe that race is "ultimately determinist." In fact, at the individual level, race tells you almost nothing. That's why it's not appropriate to judge someone by their identity traits. But at the group level, racial differences clearly have consequences.
I'm intelligent enough to distinguish separate issues, Farmer, and disciplined enough to stay on track.
Demographics are irrelevant if ballot integrity is thrown out the window. Integrity is a much higher priority, for everyone, than guesswork about how various groups of people are going to vote in the future.
Woke white people meaning credentialed idiots are the real problem. They turned virginia and colorado blue. We cant filter them out
More Black Votes made by machines.
J. Farmer said...
@Achilles:
Farmer is right. Politics is downstream from culture.
Farmer is wrong. Race is not ultimately determinist.
I hate to quarrel with someone I agree with, but I do not believe that race is "ultimately determinist." In fact, at the individual level, race tells you almost nothing.
I hate to quarrel with two people that I agree with, but over the past 50 years, race has been mostly determinant in voting patterns. It changed somewhat with Trump and that trend has to be stopped in its tracks by smearing Trump and Republicans as racists.JHoe Biden got the memo when he accused Trump of being "the most racist President in history".
I don’t have a problem with early voting. Someone votes early, then shows up later to vote again, and is told ‘sorry, you already voted”. The problem is with voting without proof that you are entitled to vote. I voted early last year, because I knew who I was going to vote for, and there was a serious possibility that my mail in ballot would have gotten lost in our annual fall migration from MT to AZ. Of course, we had to pretend that we were voting by mailing in our ballots, but instead dropped off our ballots in the box in the county clerk’s office (under their strict control).
The problem is, of course, authentication. Abrahms, as well as Dem politicians desperately want to remove the safeguards imposed to try to keep them from doing what they did so blatantly in the last election - which is cheating. HR-1 is very obviously in response to Republicans across the country desperately trying to make cheating harder. The laws on the books in those six swing states already had made cheating illegal. But those laws were ignored, and the court systems refused to enforce the laws already on the books. George Soros, and his ilk, had strategically purchased politicians in the offices that controlled voting, knowing that the timing of election results made getting away with ignoring the laws enacted to prevent cheating possible.
Again and again we are seeing this version of black/white race baiting from a person with delusions of grandeur. She is trying to turn stuffing ballots and stealing elections into a moral crusade. She is in favor of stuffing and stealing.
Let's see some voter ID, please.
The trick is expand the voting process (from one election day with absentee voting for cause) to an entire "season" (which of course expands the opportunity for fraud), and then shout "SUPPRESSION!" when any effort is made to return to baseline.
Some of us see through that.
@Bruce Hayden:
In legitimate voting, Hispanics and Black males moved decidedly towards the Republicans in this last election, seeing what the Democrats were doing to them.
Improving your performance among blacks and Latinos from one election to the next does not indicate that they have "moved decidedly towards the Republicans." Two-thirds of Latinos voted Democrat. The Democrats have received the majority of the Latino vote since at least 1980. The black vote for president has also gone overwhelmingly to Democrats. Nearly 90% of blacks identify with or lean Democratic.
“ That is the existential problem - that the Dem politicians elected by minorities stood aside and let these Dem militants burn down the neighborhoods of the minorities who had elected them to office. Of course, Democrats have always, for better than 200 years, been the party trying to keep Blacks on plantations. Nothing has really changed.”
Rereading that, something has changed. And that is that a large part of the Black community leadership have sold their communities out for money and perks. Stacey Abrahms wasn’t the first, nor one of the more egregious. Too stupid, in my mind, to leverage her value to the white leadership in the Dem party to the extent that others, like Jesse Jackson were able to do. They all did what they were paid to do last year - sit on their hands, on the sidelines, and not getting in the way of AntiFA and BLM burning down the communities that put them in office. Where was Abrahms when Atlanta was burning last summer?
"Good for you. Keep following that position. It's worked out so well for you. Is it the conservative position that culture does not matter? If no, if it does matter, then how can race and ethnicity not matter?"
People are individuals first. People will and should vote their individual concerns first.
Those other things shouldn't enter into it at all.
Do you wake up in the morning and tell yourself that, "I'm gay and white and middle aged and so I'm going to pursue those interests exclusively today tomorrow and for the rest of my life."
If you are then I feel sorry for you.
But what do I know? I'm a man of reason.
@Francisco:
I hate to quarrel with two people that I agree with, but over the past 50 years, race has been mostly determinant in voting patterns. It changed somewhat with Trump and that trend has to be stopped in its tracks by smearing Trump and Republicans as racists.JHoe Biden got the memo when he accused Trump of being "the most racist President in history".
I don't think going from getting 6% of the black vote to getting 8% or 10% barely qualifies as "changed somewhat." Bush got 9% of the black vote in 2000 and 11% in 2004. Dole got 12% in 1996.
The sausage factory is in view for all to see. I'm sure you're SCROTUS will uphold Jim Crow 2021, so all the whining from the left won't stop it. This just means that the Democrats have to do even more to increase turnout.
restricting votes = eliminates fraud.
The Democrats always lie and use propaganda words. Its like listening to Stalin.
Blacks vote 85-90% Democrat. Anytime the Republicans want to ensure a fair, fraud-free election, the Democrats scream "Racism" because they're afraid it will reduce black turnout. The laws are the same for everyone. They are colorblind. But we can't have them because it hurts the Democrat
If you believe any of the racism crap, you're a Gullible Rube.
@Rusty:
Do you wake up in the morning and tell yourself that, "I'm gay and white and middle aged and so I'm going to pursue those interests exclusively today tomorrow and for the rest of my life."
If you are then I feel sorry for you.
But what do I know? I'm a man of reason.
That isn't how ethnic identity works. You don't choose your ethnic identity anymore than you choose your native language. It's acquired from your environment. The reason Japanese cuture is distinct from American culture isn't because the Japanese wup every morning and tell themselves that, "I'm Japanese and so I'm going to pursue those interests exclusively today tomorrow and for the rest of my life."
People are individuals first.
Not if they're married or have children or are strongly connected to a community or locale. And even then, we're not really individuals "first." We're simultaneously individuals and members of groups. There are no individuals and there are no collectives. Human behavior is always resolving the pull of these opposing forces. One of the big assumptions in the 90s was that the economic dislocations would be mitigated by offering job training and people moving from deindustrialized areas to areas of job growth. But people have emotional connections to people and places, to elderly parents, to siblings, to their circle of friends, to important social clubs or religious groups, etc. They're not prepared to simply throw that all away and be economic maximizers.
If you want to advocate classical liberalism, be my guest. But don't call that conservatism.
Fuck this horrible woman.
Mass mail in voting, early voting...the biggest danger to our republic ever.
'Communities of color' need to start acting like adults and not children.
And she can thank her fellow democrats for Jim Crow.
J. Farmer is correct. Demographic change is responsible for election outcomes in Georgia. You cannot keep banging your teething ring on the ground and refuse to check the hard numbers. Was there fraud? Probably. But demographic change, egged on by the all-powerful poultry and film industries, was by far the bigger driver.
Georgia already has one of the longest early in-person, ID required voting systems in the nation. They already require official ID to register. They already spent millions to minimize the small difference between white and black people who have state ID by making such ID free for people obtaining just the ID and not a driver’s license with it. The fees were suspended for a time for driver’s licenses too. Redundant registration centers were set up (contracted out to favored vendors) all over the state. I could walk to three of them from my house, and the DMV wasn’t far away anyway.
Throughout this time, John Lewis befouled his reputation by running radio ads accusing anyone who voted for a white, female, centrist, respectable mayoral candidate of being no better than the KKK, referencing fire hoses, siccing police dogs on marchers and so on. He shrieked on the radio that Republicans were the KKK.
So. Now we’re still under federal monitoring of our elections, unlike other states. We have goons from the GOP leadership who will jump ship to the Democrat Party as soon as it suits them. We have lying Doug Collins, the man who betrayed his own district by opposing Trump, then destroyed a Senate race with lies, starting up a radio program here to continue dismantling and lying to the citizen activist movement for his own benefit. We have Steve Bannon and John Fredericks doing the same. These men are the new Kochs and on the same path to leftist anarchy. Some “populists.” Populists don’t tell people to not vote in an election runoff. Populists don’t create the single biggest illegal immigrant population per capita in the country in a zip code run for years by Collins and the Gainesville mafia. Populists don’t have two faces, or three, or four, when they talk about immigration.
These people aren’t just no different from Stacey Abrams: they are more damaging than she is.
Stacey blathers on like a runaway freight train--or bowling ball. She generates as much interest in the press as AOC and together their actual IQs might reach 110--combined.
"Good advice. Keep arguing about the arrangement of the Titanic's deckchairs and pay no attention to that giant iceberg ahead."
The deck chairs thing is an analogy that applies AFTER the iceberg is struck, not before...
I.e. there is a crisis and only trivial things are being addressed.
But let's go with your interpretation.
The iceberg represents all future elections.
Arranging the deck chairs of voting integrity and transparency is what we should be doing now before the iceberg destroys the ship of state.
This is an example of the insidiousness of diversity dogma normalized by the Progressive Church/Synagogue/Office/Clinic etc. that included every child left behind. Abrams denies equal treatment based on skin color. The very model of a forward-looking, rabid diversitist.
That said, from colored people (i.e. low-information external attribute) to people of color (i.e. diversity including color blocs, identity defined by skin color, racism)... people of white. One step forward, two steps backward.
Tank Abrams in the lead of this race-card/race-baiting insurrection.
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
Planned Parent/hood. Not the first, second, or even fourth choice, but Pro-Choice, not limited to the wicked solution. Friends with "benefits", casting couches, rape culture, trans/homosexuals, masculinists, and feminists in Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, schools, churches, Hollywood, offices, and government. Diversity rackets. Semantic games. Conceptual corruption. Conflation of logical domains. Not so soft, and a progressive condition that has liberalized over nearly half a century.
They're not prepared to simply throw that all away and be economic maximize
Are you capable of making an argument that is not a strawman. Just because I do not think government should play a role in parenting does not mean I think parenting is unimportant. In fact I think parenting, and private relationships, and religion are so important that I don't want you or your goverment near them.
And just because I want to keep you and your helpful government away from my children (as much as possible) it doesn't mean I want to turn my children and my parents into "economic maximizers."
Your underlying assumptions are trash. Garbage in; garbage out.
"What's happening in Georgia is a microcosm of a broader trend in the country. Regardless of the motivation, it has a certain reek of desperation as the GOP clearly sees the demographic writing on the wall."
BS. I moved from NC to FL last year, but kept my cell phone with NC area code. I got that cell number when the wife and I moved back to NC from Spain in 2019, and it was apparently formerly the number of a young lefty name Jonathon. For the two months before the primaries and the four months before the election I was bombarded by texts from every leftist organization in the state and a few not in the state trying to convince "Jonathon" to vote by mail and offered to "help me get a mail in ballot," Not a singe one asked me to go to the polls to support the Dems, they all wanted the mail in ballots. Wonder why that is?
Don’t you mean to say Governor Stacey Abrams?
Blogger Tina Trent said...
“J. Farmer is correct. Demographic change is responsible for election outcomes in Georgia. You cannot keep banging your teething ring on the ground and refuse to check the hard numbers. Was there fraud? Probably. But demographic change, egged on by the all-powerful poultry and film industries, was by far the bigger driver.”
You are in serious denial woman. Last I knew, there were more than 20x the number of mail in ballots without the required paperwork for authentication, than the margin of “victory” by Biden. And that margin of “victory”, plus a lot of other Biden ballots, were counted early the next morning, after Republican poll watchers had been thrown out. Apparently, sometimes several times. There was no chain of custody for hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots (where Biden’s edge came from). Etc. Eliminate illegally counted ballots, and Trump probably won by several hundred thousand votes in GA. Heck, mail in voting, as was conducted in GA was illegal in itself. But keep dreaming and spinning the truth to try to convince us that the mail in ballot counting in GA wasn’t grossly corrupt. Not buying it.
I’m astonished at the amount of voter fraud that happened in the US.
The US is moving towards more of a class / culture based party system. Race is becoming less important. Black percentage of us population is staying the same, or will decline.
Good for GA moving in the right direction to reduce voter fraud.
I own a dead-tree version of a textbook from the early 1060's that was used in teaching college junior-senior level US governance classes.
MOST states, the text reports, have (had, at the time of publication) a literacy test. Only literate voters were considered responsible to read, understand, and decide on public issue ballot questions. New York was held up as an example with a good, fair, test. The Jim Crow south in general and Alabama in particular was held up as an example where the tests were UNFAIR. But in concept the idea of voter restrictions (suppression) was considered utterly normal. (Modal. Usual. Typical. Natural...)
@D.D. Driver:
Your underlying assumptions are trash. Garbage in; garbage out.
Your quote of mine wasn't addressed to you or any argument you made, and your subsequent points had nothing to do with the point I was makin about individual identity versus group identity. It had nothing to do with the role of government.
In the last two election cycles, we saw a dramatic increase in the number of voters of color who voted by mail, the number of young people who used early voting, the number of African Americans who voted on Saturday and Sunday
Nope
What we saw was ballot submitted that claimed to come from such people. What we don't know is how many ballots were actually voted by those people.
If you can't be bothered to go out and vote on Election Day, then I'm not bothered by you not voting.
If you can't be bothered to vote unless someone grabs you and drags you to the polls, I'm not bother by you not voting.
Are you physically incapable of getting to the polls on Election Day (because you physically can't get out of the house. Because you're out of town)? Then you should be voting absentee.
No one else should be voting absentee.
We moved to a secret ballot because it makes it impossible for people to sell their votes, and for others to buy their votes.
Absentee ballots allow vote buying, because the person paying you can look at your ballot and confirm how you voted. If you want honest elections, they you have a strong bias against allowing absentee ballots.
Having an Election Day means almost all voters are operating on the same set of information. It's the standard for most of history, and for most of the world even now.
The idea that pushing either of the above is "Republican voter suppression" is pure quill BlueAnon kookiness, delusional, and dishonest
J. Farmer said...
What's happening in Georgia is a microcosm of a broader trend in the country. Regardless of the motivation, it has a certain reek of desperation as the GOP clearly sees the demographic writing on the wall. Georgia's white population is aging and in decline
According to the latest research https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/defund-the-police-cost-democrats-hispanic-and-black-votes
Shor’s analysis of precinct returns has him revising the exit poll slightly. Comparing Biden’s performance with Hillary Clinton’s, he tells Levitz, “Democrats gained somewhere between half a percent to 1 percent among non-college whites and roughly 7 percent among white college graduates (which is kind of crazy). Our support among African Americans declined by something like 1 to 2 percent. And then Hispanic support dropped by 8 to 10 percent. The jury is still out on Asian Americans.”
So, as usual, reality is 180 degrees opposite of your pronouncements. The GOP is doing better with the "Growing" group, and worse with the "shrinking" one.
The desperation is with the Democrats. Which is why they're fighting so hard to remove any and every election integrity measure that can keep them from stealing elections.
Here's a reality check: People who think they can kin the election honestly, want election rules that keep it honest
@jaydub:
BS. I moved from NC to FL last year, but kept my cell phone with NC area code...Not a singe one asked me to go to the polls to support the Dems, they all wanted the mail in ballots. Wonder why that is?
Okay. That has nothing to do with the demographic trends I was talking about. Concerns about Georgia's changing demographics have been expressed since at least 2012. David Perdue was telling strategists in early 2020, "Here's the reality: The state of Georgia is in play."
Here's something I have some considerable experience and interest in; the just-passed Georgia legislation takes Georgia "back" to a set of election laws that basically look almost indistinguishable from the state of Michigan, circa 2018, when Michigan saw a blue wave election where Democrats dominated, in the wake of Trump's surprising 2016 win.
So that's how "Jim Crow" these reforms are. Just sayin'.
Michigan, 2018: We had no early voting at all. No same-day registration. Absentee voting was only for the elderly, disabled and signature-affirmed excuses.
@Greg the Class Traitor:
So, as usual, reality is 180 degrees opposite of your pronouncements. The GOP is doing better with the "Growing" group, and worse with the "shrinking" one.
No. Even though "Hispanic support dropped by 8 to 10 percent" the Democrats still won a large a majority of Georgia's Latino vote. They got nearly 90% of Georgia's black vote. The only racial group that was majority were whites.
Lucien said...
I guess it’s naive to think there should be a huge majority supporting rules that make it easy to vote, and hard to cheat.
Why should it be "easy to vote"?
If your vote means so little to you that you won't put any effort into voting, why in the world should I feel bad that you decided to stay home and not vote?
If you can't be bothered to put any effort into voting, I don't believe you will have bothered to put any effort to finding out how you should vote. "Losing out" on an uninformed vote doesn't seem like a negative for society.
If you have severe mental issues that make it difficult / impossible for you to go out in public to vote, why in the world would I feel that we are worse off without your vote?
"Losing out" on a vote from someone whose brain doesn't work well, doesn't seem like a negative for society.
If you're in line before the polls close, you get to vote. There is an incredibly small number of people whose home / work situation makes it impossible for them to get to the polls on Election Day in time to vote. And it's reasonable to make accommodations for that incredibly small number of people.
But there's no reason at all to extend those accommodations to anyone who can make it on Election Day, but just can't be bothered to do so.
Because if you can't be bothered to vote, we can't be bothered to miss your vote
Your quote of mine wasn't addressed to you or any argument you made, and your subsequent points had nothing to do with the point I was makin about individual identity versus group identity. It had nothing to do with the role of government.
So what exactly is your point? That cultural identity is important? Is there anyone who is fighting you on this point? So what exactly is your point? Sure culture is important, but if people prioritized culture over opportunity, prosperity, and liberty, we wouldn't have an immigration problem now would we?
Last I knew, there were more than 20x the number of mail in ballots without the required paperwork for authentication, than the margin of “victory” by Biden. And that margin of “victory”, plus a lot of other Biden ballots, were counted early the next morning, after Republican poll watchers had been thrown out.
Please provide a link for this bullshit assertion (actually it is not bullshit, it is a flat out lie).
Their basic problem is quasi tactical. The Republicans have the interior lines. They essentially represent the middle class, regardless of skin color, from trades workers up through state college and university graduates
This is a better example of bullshit, "to talk nonsense with the intent of deceiving". How do the Republicans "represent" these groups. They pretend to be concerned about middle class moral values (while banging porn stars and then paying them to cover it up), as for the economic interests of the middle class (especially trades workers), how on earth does opposition to universal medical insurance, 40+ years of calculated destruction of unions, eliminating defined pension plans, the erosion of workers' rights, and tax cuts that predominately benefit the very wealthy, etc., represent the middle class?
@Joe Smith:
Arranging the deck chairs of voting integrity and transparency is what we should be doing now before the iceberg destroys the ship of state.
I have no objection to that. I'll grant the Georgia GOP whatever changes they want. My point is even with that, the Georgia GOP is facing serious challenges from demographic trends. If you don't believe this is a challenge, tell me why. If you agree it's a challenge, what can be done about it?
If you're in line before the polls close, you get to vote. There is an incredibly small number of people whose home / work situation makes it impossible for them to get to the polls on Election Day in time to vote. And it's reasonable to make accommodations for that incredibly small number of people.
More bullshit. You make this assertion with absolutely no proof to back it up.
@D.D. Drive:
So what exactly is your point? That cultural identity is important? Is there anyone who is fighting you on this point? So what exactly is your point?
Commenter Rusty said, "People are individuals first." I replied, "Not if they're married or have children or are strongly connected to a community or locale. And even then, we're not really individuals "first." We're simultaneously individuals and members of groups. There are no individuals and there are no collectives. Human behavior is always resolving the pull of these opposing forces."
What of that do you not understand?
What we saw was ballot submitted that claimed to come from such people. What we don't know is how many ballots were actually voted by those people.
To me this is a redherring. I presuppose that almost all of the mail in votes are "legitimate" (as in the people whose name appear on the envelope cast the ballot). The problem is that elections are no longer about the will of the people but about which side runs the better "ground game."
The democrats like mail-in voting because it plays into their strategy of targeting passive voters--those that will likely vote for them, but won't actually bother to go to the polls. So the dems drive them to the polls or call them every day to make sure they have a mail in ballot. Early voting gives the dems an early rough score so when election day comes the dems know exactly who is left who hasn't voted and can figure out how to drive them to the polls.
I don't think any of this is wrong or immoral or in any way unfair (there is nothing stopping the GOP from doing the same thing). My problem is that we have reduced major elections to a contest to see which of our major parties run better call centers and operate better rideshare service. Elections should be about who has the most support not whether Mark Zuckerberg is paying for uber rides for likely dem voters.
This is Kemp and the Georgia GOP seeing the writing on the wall. They will be wiped out in 2022 if they don't pass this law. The GOP couldn't even win the senate elections with a GOP president on the top of the ticket with massive mail in voting. With the same voting methods, Kemp is toast and so is the state GOP in the legislature.
And here is the thing- the federal judiciary will put a stay on this legislative change long enough for Abrams and the Democrats to take the governor's office and the legislature in 2022. After that point, Georgia is blue for all time.
The GOP has cut its own throat in its efforts to get rid of Trump. This change in voting law is like trying to put a tourniquet on the wound- the judiciary branch won't allow them to go back, and the Biden Administration will weigh in with lawsuits from the DoJ.
An ID is required to obtain an EBT card.
Doesn't seem to be an issue there.
J. Farmer said:
That isn't how ethnic identity works. You don't choose your ethnic identity anymore than you choose your native language. It's acquired from your environment.
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Funny, the Demographics of Georgia website says this:
"According to 2019 US Census Bureau estimates, Georgia's population was 57.8% White (51.8% Non-Hispanic White and 5.9% Hispanic White), 31.9% Black or African American, 4.1% Asian, 3.0% Some Other Race, 0.4% Native American and Alaskan Native, 0.1% Pacific Islander and 2.7% from two or more races.[20]
The White population continues to remain the largest racial category in Georgia and includes the 60.4% of Hispanics who self-identify as White. The remainder of Hispanics self-identify as Some Other Race (27.3%), Multiracial (5.6%), Black (4.1%), American Indian and Alaskan Native (2.2%), Asian (0.3%), and Hawaiian and Pacific Islander (0.1%).[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)#:~:text=According%20to%202019%20US%20Census,from%20two%20or%20more%20races.
I guess they didn't get the Word from On High, from J. Farmer
I hate to tell you this, but you can pass law to voting Fraud AND work to stop illegal immigration. we can do more than one thing at a time.
@wholelottasplainin':
Funny, the Demographics of Georgia website says this:
Funny, I said, "Georgia's white population is aging and in decline, it's non-white population has increased, and immigration has driven down its median age. Whites will likely be a minority in Georgia by the end of the decade."
I guess they didn't get the Word from On High, from J. Farmer
Well, they probably at least know that 2019 and 2030 aren't the same thing.
rcocean:
I hate to tell you this, but you can pass law to voting Fraud AND work to stop illegal immigration. we can do more than one thing at a time.
It isn't illegal immigration that is driving Georgia's demographic trends.
"If you don't believe this is a challenge, tell me why. If you agree it's a challenge, what can be done about it?"
I do believe it's a challenge. Republicans need to do a better job with minority voters. Trump made some headway there...the Dems have morphed into the wealthy tech oligarch elite party. They wouldn't know a blue collar if it bit them on the ass. There's an opening here.
A big way to fight it is to hold the line on illegal immigration. Illegals may not vote (yet) in large numbers (though it does happen), but once you wave a magic wand and make them citizens, who do you think poor, illiterate socialists from Mexico will pull the lever for?
"Now, in the era of Trump, all of those efforts are tainted with Trumpism."
The election was tainted under the cover of Covid. It is the hammer by which Democrats instituted massive mail-in voting, strategically-placed drop boxes, lax signature requirements, suppressed poll watchers, etc.
No Covid, no Joe. And not because of Trump's handling of the pandemic.
Under the 'old' voting rules and with Covid, I still think Trump wins the election resoundingly.
Ms. Abrams is obviously still pissed off that the bulk mail-in voting and non-auditable vote counting in Georgia wasn't in place at the time of her election loss. If she wants support for her "everybody gets a vote" program, she's gonna have to support the Republican "all votes are guaranteed legal and counted properly" program.
"Be specific on where, and how, you think voting rules changed, and how they made a difference."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/12/07/mark-levin-details-how-democrats-changed-the-rules-on-fraud-n2581151
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/what-is-mark-zuckerbergs-election-money-doing-in-georgia/
These are two easy ones...
And don't discount the sources if you can't shoot down the arguments.
Early voting merely grants access to those people who have schedules (since there is no right to take off work to vote and voting is generally scheduled for a weekday, primarily Tuesday) that make it difficult or impossible to vote on voting day.
What horseshit.
If you can be bothered to run simple errands on a Tuesday, you can be bothered to vote. It's neither difficult nor impossible ... except maybe to a dishonest moron.
People are individuals first.
"Not if they're married or have children or are strongly connected to a community or locale."
You're wrong.
"It isn't illegal immigration that is driving Georgia's demographic trends."
Vote fraud is driving Georgia voting trends. The demographic is democrat cheats.
Jesus. You people are dumb.
Farmer seems to have some assumptions about Blacks being inferior and implies that Blacks will never achieve economic success in the US and will identify forever as underprivileged and poor and vote that way. I don't share that belief. Trump didn't believe that either and repeatedly invited Blacks to see themselves as full citizens with opportunities and stated that his policies would benefit the Black community. He expressed for example the idea that "college" is not necessarily a requirement for financial security if the the US maintains a manufacturing base. He also saw the potential in Black entrepreneurship and advanced cutting regulations which benefits small businesses. All that is a huge threat to the lock on the Black demographic by the Democratic Party.
"Let’s start with a few contrasting numbers:
60 and 2.2.
In 1940, 60 percent of employed black women worked as domestic servants; today the number is down to 2.2 percent, while 60 percent hold white- collar jobs.
44 and 1. In 1958, 44 percent of whites said they would move if a black family became their next door neighbor; today the figure is 1 percent.
18 and 86. In 1964, the year the great Civil Rights Act was passed, only 18 percent of whites claimed to have a friend who was black; today 86 percent say they do, while 87 percent of blacks assert they have white friends.
Progress is the largely suppressed story of race and race relations over the past half-century. And thus it’s news that more than 40 percent of African Americans now consider themselves members of the middle class. Forty-two percent own their own homes, a figure that rises to 75 percent if we look just at black married couples. Black two-parent families earn only 13 percent less than those who are white. Almost a third of the black population lives in suburbia.
Because these are facts the media seldom report, the black underclass continues to define black America in the view of much of the public. Many assume blacks live in ghettos, often in high-rise public housing projects. Crime and the welfare check are seen as their main source of income. The stereotype crosses racial lines. Blacks are even more prone than whites to exaggerate the extent to which African Americans are trapped in inner-city poverty. In a 1991 Gallup poll, about one-fifth of all whites, but almost half of black respondents, said that at least three out of four African Americans were impoverished urban residents. And yet, in reality, blacks who consider themselves to be middle class outnumber those with incomes below the poverty line by a wide margin..."
from: Black Progress: How far we’ve come, and how far we have to go March 1, 1998
And: The stalled, struggling black middle class February 9, 2016
"... Black families lag behind, despite some signs of growth
The Pew report shows that black adults experienced the largest income increase from 1971 to 2015 and were the only racial group to see a decrease in the percentage of their low income earners. But black middle class families are still far from being as financially secure as their white counterparts.
Black households by and large have seen gains in their real incomes since 1979. Although each of the top four income quintiles have seen increases, with the highest quintile seeing the largest increase, black households still lag substantially behind white households. The mean income for the top black quintile in 2014 is virtually the same as the mean for the top white quintile in 1979. ..."
Yes Blacks are still lagging economically but there is no law or organized cultural scheme which makes that inevitable or permanent. In fact the situation socially today is just the opposite.
The law limits early voting to a 3 week period. I fail to see how that's a big inconvenience.
Stacey Abrams is The Whore Of Babylon's kid sister.
How much are allegations of diversity and actual diversity responsible for more than 16 trimesters of occupation, [neighborhood] invasions, insurrection, property destruction, assault and battery, and the evolution of violence under the auspices of social justice and progress?
How much is the dogma of diversity and exclusion responsible for placing and sustaining our civilization on this progressive path and grade?
"Not if they're married or have children or are strongly connected to a community or locale."
Individuals, first. Reconciliation, second. Where both are cues for American conservative philosophy: a hybrid of classical liberalism tempered by moral philosophy (specifically Christian religion).
"It isn't illegal immigration that is driving Georgia's demographic trends."
It might not be now, but in a roundabout way, current illegal immigrants will pose a problem for Republicans when the are legalized.
Freder Frederson,
Early voting merely grants access to those people who have schedules (since there is no right to take off work to vote and voting is generally scheduled for a weekday, primarily Tuesday) that make it difficult or impossible to vote on voting day. What is your problem with that?
I will happily make Election Tuesday a national holiday (another often-proposed reform) if it means that we can get rid of early voting. OK?
Look, I know my views are fairly extreme on this subject, but I want:
--voting on one day only, except for absentees, which
--must be for serious cause (e.g., you're in the military and posted elsewhere, you need to be out of town for some other good reason, you can't leave your house). No "just because" absentee voting.
--No same-day registration. If you have thought enough to vote, you can arrange to get registered before Election Day.
--No "bundling" of the sort that makes it possible for the "bundler" to see who you've voted for. I do see the difficulty of people in nursing homes and the like having little access to the polls, but there has to be a way for these people to vote w/o being under the wing of someone who might mess with the ballot (or suppress it outright) after it has left their hands.
--ID including proof of citizenship for everything. This might be expensive, but it isn't difficult. GA, IIRC, had vans come around to individual voters' houses and take their non-DL photo and make an ID for free. They literally did everything for you except walk you from your house to the street, and if pressed they'd've probably done that, too.
--Proper sig verification, and proper verification of "bundler's" own ID and address.
--And, basically, no mail-in ballots except if you can't possibly help it. This sounds strange, coming from someone in a state (OR) that has only mail-in voting and has had for decades. Does our system "work"? Sure, if you discount little things like trash bags full of discarded ballots, or 90-something ballots all mailed to the same little old lady's house. I want to live in a country where such "irregularities" are outrageous. This isn't it.
So that's it. Everyone votes the same day, apart from the very few who physically cannot. Everyone proves that they are who they say they are, and that they're eligible to vote. Everyone signals, via registration, that they actually care about the ballot, and haven't just been pulled in off the street. Ballots are kept at polling places, or gotten there ASAP for the few absentees, and no one is allowed to be alone with them. And Election Day is a holiday, so that everyone can participate w/o financial harm.
@Rusty:
You're wrong.
The notion of a free, autonomous, rational self is a fiction. Homo economicus. You are not merely a generic individual to your spouse, your father, and your boss. You are a husband, a son, and an employee. If you want to be a lover, a friend, and a neighbor, you have to have a lover, a friend, and a neighbor. Human identity is always socially embedded.
Consider some of the basic aspects of the human mind: cognitive ability, emotional regulation, interpersonal skills. They all have a large genetic component, and you can't choose your genes. Socialization and enculturation primarily occurs within the family and community in early childhood. That's not within your individual control. Human social interaction is much more driven by tribalism than by individualism.
Michael Walzer, Charles Tyalor, and Michael Sandel have all written good critiques of philosophical liberalism.
"There are no individuals in the world only fragments of families." -Carl Whitaker
It's ironic that people who claim something is like Jim Crow have never actually lived under Jim Crow.
It's one of the primary reasons they hate Associate Justice Clarence Thomas. Were he a Democrat, all we'd be hearing about is the injustice he endured as a child living under Jim Crow.
How difficult can it be?
Desperately difficult.
Just be thankful you're not a n-word.
@Rusty:
The demographic is democrat cheats.
Jesus. You people are dumb.
With all due respect, Rusty, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Your first sentence doesn't even make sense.
@Rosalyn C:
Farmer seems to have some assumptions about Blacks being inferior and implies that Blacks will never achieve economic success in the US and will identify forever as underprivileged and poor and vote that way.
I don't believe in the inferiority or superiority of groups. Peoples' moral worth is determined by their character, not their identity traits. The mean IQ of European-Americans is 100. For African-Americans, it's 85. The gap is not merely between black and white Americans but between the entire sub-Saharan African diaspora and the rest of the world.
J. Farmer,
I don't think I agree with that statistic. From what I've seen, sub-Saharan Blacks are actually fine; it's African-Americans who struggle academically, for example, while Kenyans and Nigerians who come to the US to study have no particular troubles. To me, that sounds more like victim-sense than "intelligence" per se, but then what do I know? But I do know that a lot of the Ivy League's "Black" spots are occupied by native African students, and that African-American students are really pissed off about it.
Thought provoking comment!
I hope it’s wrong, but I’m not sure.
>Blogger Yancey Ward said...
>The GOP has cut its own throat in its efforts to get rid of Trump.
J. Farmer said...
"@Rusty:
The demographic is democrat cheats.
Jesus. You people are dumb.
With all due respect, Rusty, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Your first sentence doesn't even make sense."
Excuse me."democrats cheat"
LOL! You're not from around here, are you?
I warned you well meaning chuckleheads that once you got a Chicago pol in the Whitehouse you'd have Chicago style politics on a national scale. But no. You dimwits decided that Obama was the only virgin in that particular whorehouse that's called Illinois politics. So you voted in the corruption and graft that Chicago, Cook County and Illinois is famous for.
The most corrupt city, county and state in the union. Now that franchise in firmly embedded in the fabric of our national politics.
Well, dipstick, I am from around here and I don't have to prove the democrats cheated. You have to satisfy me that they didn't. So let's have an audit.
Jesus you people are dumb.
Stacey Abrams is a proven hypocrite.
I tend not to believe hypocrites.
Bruce: I don’t want to bore people with every detail of what happened in Georgia. I’m sure I’ve been boring enough. So just a few more quick points: any voter can check with their county to make sure nobody “stole” their vote. The database of who voted and when and where they voted is public record, and we have found zero cases of someone using someone else’s mail in ballot. Two, I never said I supported or trusted mass no-excuse mail in voting, and we have now acted to curb that. And three, I never said I thought there wasn’t any fraud. I’m saying demographic replacement is the bigger cause for the state turning blue.
Incidentally, in that one highly publicized instance where poll watchers were removed from the GWCC building and then counting resumed, I would not be the least surprised if those votes were 100% for Biden, given the district.
Tina Trent said...
any voter can check with their county to make sure nobody “stole” their vote. The database of who voted and when and where they voted is public record, and we have found zero cases of someone using someone else’s mail in ballot.
That's nice. Has someone gone over every single claimed voter in Fulton County and Dekalb County, visited them, and made sure:
1: They exist
2: They voted in the 2020 election
No?
Has anyone gone through the ballots in F&D, and counted how many "ballots without folds" those counties had?
Has anyone compared the number of claimed ballots in F&D with the number of security envelopes each County has? Confirmed the signatures?
Other than a desire to cover up vote fraud, is there any reason why these last two checks haven't been done, with observers from the Trump campaign closely monitoring every step?
J. Farmer said...
@wholelottasplainin':
Funny, the Demographics of Georgia website says this:
Funny, I said, "Georgia's white population is aging and in decline, it's non-white population has increased, and immigration has driven down its median age. Whites will likely be a minority in Georgia by the end of the decade."
I guess they didn't get the Word from On High, from J. Farmer
Well, they probably at least know that 2019 and 2030 aren't the same thing.
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What a fucking fraud.
J. Farmer said:
That isn't how ethnic identity works. You don't choose your ethnic identity anymore than you choose your native language. It's acquired from your environment.
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Funny, the Demographics of Georgia website says this:
"According to 2019 US Census Bureau estimates, Georgia's population was 57.8% White (51.8% Non-Hispanic White and 5.9% Hispanic White), 31.9% Black or African American, 4.1% Asian, 3.0% Some Other Race, 0.4% Native American and Alaskan Native, 0.1% Pacific Islander and 2.7% from two or more races.[20]
The White population continues to remain the largest racial category in Georgia and includes the 60.4% of Hispanics who self-identify as White. The remainder of Hispanics self-identify as Some Other Race (27.3%), Multiracial (5.6%), Black (4.1%), American Indian and Alaskan Native (2.2%), Asian (0.3%), and Hawaiian and Pacific Islander (0.1%).[20]
The BOLDED stuff is what YOU said, countered by the BOLDED stuff in the citation.
You chose to ignore the entire point of my comment, as it falsifies your claim. Typical dishonesty.
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