It's not that Stephens, a regular NYT columnist, can or would just give the rejected column to another newspaper to publish. The Post tells us the column — which defends the NYT reporter who got ousted for saying the n-word — "circulated among Times staffers and others" and the Post got hold of it "from one of them, not Stephens himself." Presumably, the Post publishes it because it is newsworthy — not as an opinion on the news but because the spiking of it is news, so we need to see what it is.
Let's read it:
Every serious moral philosophy, every decent legal system and every ethical organization cares deeply about intention.
It is the difference between murder and manslaughter. It is an aggravating or extenuating factor in judicial settings. It is a cardinal consideration in pardons (or at least it was until Donald Trump got in on the act).
Speaking of Donald Trump, it's the question I think should be at the core of the impeachment trial but is not: Did Trump intend that the crowd break into the Capitol and terrorize the members of Congress?
It’s an elementary aspect of parenting, friendship, courtship and marriage. A hallmark of injustice is indifference to intention.
Yeah, why are the House Managers indifferent to this distinction? I am getting distracted! This Stephen's column reads like a criticism of the House Managers case against Trump. Trump said something, perhaps without any intention of causing the harm, but the harm did ensue. To care about the harm and not what the accused person intended is a "hallmark of injustice." Noted!
Most of what is cruel, intolerant, stupid and misjudged in life stems from that indifference. Read accounts about life in repressive societies — I’d recommend Vaclav Havel’s “Power of the Powerless” and Nien Cheng’s “Life and Death in Shanghai” — and what strikes you first is how deeply the regimes care about outward conformity, and how little for personal intention. I’ve been thinking about these questions in an unexpected connection.
Me too. I'm thinking about Trump. But I know you want to talk about your erstwhile fellow Timesman, Donald McNeil.
Late last week, Donald G. McNeil Jr., a veteran science reporter for The Times, abruptly departed from his job following the revelation that he had uttered a racial slur while on a New York Times trip to Peru for high school students. In the course of a dinner discussion, he was asked by a student whether a 12-year old should have been suspended by her school for making a video in which she had used a racial slur.
In a written apology to staff, McNeil explained what happened next: “To understand what was in the video, I asked if she had called someone else the slur or whether she was rapping or quoting a book title. In asking the question, I used the slur itself.”
In an initial note to staff, editor-in-chief Dean Baquet noted that, after conducting an investigation, he was satisfied that McNeil had not used the slur maliciously and that it was not a firing offense. In response, more than 150 Times staffers signed a protest letter. A few days later, Baquet and managing editor Joe Kahn reached a different decision.
“We do not tolerate racist language regardless of intent,” they wrote on Friday afternoon. They added to this unambiguous judgment that the paper would “work with urgency to create clearer guidelines and enforcement about conduct in the workplace, including red-line issues on racist language.”
This is not a column about the particulars of McNeil’s case. Nor is it an argument that the racial slur in question doesn’t have a uniquely ugly history and an extraordinary capacity to wound.
This is an argument about three words: “Regardless of intent.” Should intent be the only thing that counts in judgment? Obviously not. Can people do painful, harmful, stupid or objectionable things regardless of intent? Obviously.
Do any of us want to live in a world, or work in a field, where intent is categorically ruled out as a mitigating factor? I hope not.
He's not saying the deliberate intent of the accused should always be decisive, only that it's wrong to entirely exclude intent, which Baquet and Kahn explicitly did. I would add that the biggest problem is the retroactive declaration of a strict liability standard. If the NYT had declared in advance that any saying of the word is a firing offense, that would have been fair, even if it's too repressive. But we can see that was not the policy, because the original decision was not to fire O'Neil. It was only in response to protest by the staff that O'Neil was ousted. There's the injustice.
That ought to go in journalism as much, if not more, than in any other profession.
That sentence needs editing — "to go" is ambiguous. I think he means "That ought to hold true...."
What is it that journalists do, except try to perceive intent, examine motive, furnish context, explore nuance, explain varying shades of meaning, forgive fallibility, make allowances for irony and humor, slow the rush to judgment (and therefore outrage), and preserve vital intellectual distinctions?
That's a good question. I'll put it in boldface.
Journalism as a humanistic enterprise — as opposed to hack work or propaganda — does these things in order to teach both its practitioners and consumers to be thoughtful. There is an elementary difference between citing a word for the purpose of knowledge and understanding and using the same word for the purpose of insult and harm. Lose this distinction, and you also lose the ability to understand the things you are supposed to be educated to oppose.
Well, you could understand the distinction but still choose to exclude the word, all the time, because you know the harm that it causes and you want to care for others. The problem is establishing a policy, so that people know in advance they can never say the word, for whatever reason. Clearly, the NYT didn't have that policy. It could adopt that policy and put everyone on notice. Has it done that, even now? Would it fire a black reporter who was just singing along to a rap song while alone in her car? Inflexible, draconian rules are possible, but you have to be brutal, and racial discrimination in employment is against the law.
No wonder The Times has never previously been shy about citing racial slurs in order to explain a point. Here is a famous quote by the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater that has appeared at least seven times in The Times, most recently in 2019, precisely because it powerfully illuminates the mindset of a crucial political player. “You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘N*****, n*****, n*****.’ By 1968 you can’t say ‘n*****’ — that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, ‘forced busing,’ “states’ rights” and all that stuff.”
I put those asterisks in. The column, as published in the NY Post — and as, presumably, offered to the NYT — has the word written out. Should Bret Stephens be fired for writing the words? But he's quoting the NYT (quoting Atwater). Not long ago. Recently. 2019. Should whoever wrote that and whoever was involved in publishing that be fired?
Is this now supposed to be a scandal? Would the ugliness of Atwater’s meaning have been equally clearer by writing “n—, n—, n—”?
This is the argument for allowing the word to be used precisely to cause the effect, to make people feel hurt: You want to depict the ugliness of something somebody says. But a newspaper might chose to protect its readers from the word. But the NYT used to print the n-word. Look at all these n-word headlines! I'll just point you toward them. Just to indicate what's there: "Up From N*****" (1976), "'The Legend of N***** Charley' Three escaped slaves fall in with drifters while fleeing a bounty hunter" (1971), "White N***** Of America" (1971), "Rap's Embrace of 'N****' Fires Bitter Debate" (1993).
A journalism that turns words into totems — and totems into fears — is an impediment to clear thinking and proper understanding.
So too is a journalism that attempts to proscribe entire fields of expression. “Racist language” is not just about a single infamous word. It’s a broad, changing, contestable category. There are many people — I include myself among them — who think that hardcore anti-Zionism is a form of anti-Semitism. That’s also official policy at the State Department and the British Labour Party. If anti-Semitism is a form of racism, and racist language is intolerable at The Times, might we someday forbid not only advocacy of anti-Zionist ideas, but even refuse to allow them to be discussed?
He's opening up a big new topic in that paragraph — the banning of ideas. I'm not even convinced that there's a slippery slope in the banning of words. It's just that one word. The NYT doesn't even avoid "fuck" anymore. For so many years, "fuck" was THE ONE WORD. Maybe there is a weird fetish that there must be one word — and only one word — that you just can't print. It could be "God." There are those who must write "G-d." And these days, the one word is the n-word... at least when it's not in "Rap's Embrace."
The idea is absurd. But that’s the terrain we now risk entering. We are living in a period of competing moral certitudes, of people who are awfully sure they’re right and fully prepared to be awful about it. Hence the culture of cancellations, firings, public humiliations and increasingly unforgiving judgments. The role of good journalism should be to lead us out of this dark defile. Last week, we went deeper into it.
I had to look up "dark defile." It's a reference to this Kipling poem, I believe. "Defile," the noun, means "A narrow way or passage along which troops can march only by files or with a narrow front; esp. (and in ordinary use) a narrow pass or gorge between mountains" (OED). Stephens is picturing us — all of us, not just the NYT — entering risky terrain, and we are vulnerable in this passageway. The NYT — or whoever the "good journalists" are — needs to lead us out of there, not "deeper into it." He doesn't say exactly what he wants, though it's clear he's strongly opposed to the firing of McNeil. But he's laying out a challenge, issues for the NYT to take up. And the NYT said no. It doesn't even want to see the questions. Or do you think it was just that writing out of the word in the Atwater quote?
I want to be completely out front that I, like Stephens, do not purport to tell you what all the answers are here. I want to get the questions out there and shed light on them. I want to have the conversation. Ha. That makes me think of all the times NYT-type people call on America to have a conversation. Where's the conversation now, you preening power-wielders?
And let me leave you with that 1993 NYT article, "Rap's Embrace of 'N****' Fires Bitter Debate." It's got the n-word written out more than 50 times! Presumably, it's doing that to force you, the reader, to see what the subject of discussion is.
One of America's oldest and most searing epithets -- "n*****" -- is flooding into the nation's popular culture, giving rise to a bitter debate among blacks about its historically ugly power and its increasingly open use in an integrated society.
Whether thoughtlessly or by design, large numbers of a post-civil rights generation of blacks have turned to a conspicuous use of "n*****" just as they have gained considerable cultural influence through rap music and related genres.
Some blacks, mostly young people, argue that their open use of the word will eventually demystify it, strip it of its racist meaning. They liken it to the way some homosexuals have started referring to themselves as "queers" in a defiant slap at an old slur....
Blacks who say they should use the word more openly maintain that its casual use, especially in the company of whites, will shift the word's context and strip "n*****" of its ability to hurt....
"When I hear it, it makes me angry and very sad," said [Jocelyn] Jerome, a 53-year-old mother of three grown children and the director of a program that tries to encourage more minority students to become physicians. "There are times when I honestly feel like crying."
She says she has made it her mission to discourage young black people from using the racial epithet. In a recent incident, a group of young blacks got on Ms. Jerome's bus and spoke in a conversation that consisted of little more than 'n***** this and n***** that,' Ms. Jerome said, she decided to speak up. "I put my newspaper down and said, 'Look, I know my talking is not going to make you change today or tomorrow, but I have a question: why are you constantly using that word? Do you know what that word means?' "
She said the youngsters listened to her respectfully, occasionally telling her that "n*****" was a term of endearment among young blacks.
Little changed, but that has not weakened her resolve.
"As far as I'm concerned," Ms. Jerome said, "no one has the license to use it."
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The New York Times is not a newspaper, it is a hate-click bucket shop. I'd love to see the numbers on people who consider it a reliable news source. Is it even half what it was 10 years ago? What will it be 10 years from now? Same for how well informed are people who rely on the Times for their news. How much dumber are they getting over time?
This is an idiot controversy.
I respect the prof’s right to police her own weblog, but this kissing of blacks’ asses is simultaneously hilarious, obnoxious and stupid.
Say the word. Chant it. Sing it in grand choruses.
Fuck this shit.
Commenters, remember, if you write out the n-word, I will delete your comment. The context and the intent don't matter. It's a flat rule.
What is it that journalists do
If it's the Times their only job is to spread leftist propaganda, to perpetuate leftist narratives in support of leftist politicians.
They told us so in their own paper. They gave themselves permission to stop being a news paper. Some of us forgot, I guess...
No way that could run in the current NYT. Too much truth and nuance. Readers might start thinking. Can't have that...
Ann is correct in focusing on Trump’s intent. Did the House Managers even talk about intent?
If I were the NYT editors, I would have EDITED Stephen's column. Maybe they tried that and Stephens withdrew it and gave them something else. I suspect it was spiked only because he insisted on writing out that word. That should be the reason, if the NYT is at all decent. It's possible that the NYT resists printing the criticism because it can't present the entire story of why O'Neil was fired, that there's much more to it than the saying of the word. They don't want the attack where they're disabled from fully defending themselves.
The problem with the Times' shortening Atwater's quote to "n-word, n-word, n-word" is that it can mislead the reader into thinking Atwater said "n-word" and not the n-word. They have to spell it out or they misrepresent and rob power from his quote.
Prof., you call attention to the concept of "strict liability," which is what the Times pretends to do here--impose strict liability. That's worth a post in itself--strict liability is an extreme position in the law, reserved for very few things, like statutory rape. Using bad words is a victimless crime (enough with the lies, nobody, literally nobody, is hurt by words--that would be magic and we don't believe in magic). Using strict liability so carelessly, casually, can never be good policy.
Is the New York Times telling you how Andrew Cuomo lied and he did kill more Elderly people that his team hid?? The network news stations are ignoring it. Why does the "News" hide the truth from people?? It's almost like they are afraid that if they hear the truth, they will rebel against the liars who have hoodwinked them with propaganda for the last 5 years.
A good and thorough analysis this. I'm most interested to learn that the leaders of the NYT are so easily cowed by a protest letter from 150 staffers. What cowards they are and wholly absent of any principles.
I don't quite understand why it's (inter?)national news that a guy resigned from a anti-white racist outfit which had created a hostile work environment for him.
Hypocritical nyt uses niword regularly.
Thousands of words have contradictory connotations. Every week or so somebody notices it and has somebody fired, these days, for the other connotation.
It's a language resource, though. Wm. Empson, The Structure of Complex Words, details (with literature examples) the trick in playing one connotation off against the other for a subtle effect, in the five ways it can be done. (The fifth does not occur, except in jokes, he says. An example of the joke use
Where Bentley late tempestuous wont to sport
In troubled waters, but now sleeps in port
Alexander Pope, pretending that Bentley would not notice the allusion to the after dinner drink)
In the case of n*gger, it has the old redneck putting-down use, and it has the new rogue sentiment, n*gger living by his wits alone and outfoxing The Man.
Neither one is hurtful if you have any wits about you. Just respond with the other, to remind the guy that this n*gger does just fine against you.
The word is singled out for intimidation of whites on the right, to remind them how useless black people are and how little they can do to convert them to the right.
"Ann is correct in focusing on Trump’s intent. Did the House Managers even talk about intent?"
I was not willing to sit through the hours and hours of presentation of other things that I already knew. I wanted them to focus on the decisive question: Trump's responsibility. Some people have a low standard and think that if Trump stirred up the crowd and made them feel energized to do what they independently decided to do, he's responsible enough. But they're choosing, I think, to offer nothing to those of us who think Trump needs to have specifically intended the breaking into the Capitol. Can anyone point me to the part of the trial where my concern is addressed? I'm not willing to stare at a smokescreen.
If Hillary had no "intent" when she set up a private server in her house, then NOBODY has intent. What bullshit and what a farce this whole Clown show is.
I am re-reading The Hamlet right now, and if ‘mentions’ of the n-word get you canceled, Mitchell should be canceled for mentioning Faulkner because cause his writing is radioactive with the word.
It’s funny how in college i the ‘70s it was quite easy to understand that he was relaying the authentic if deplorable language of the post Civil War south, but now we can’t even tolerate an anti-bigotry book like Huckleberry Finn, which was written at a time when America really needed such a book, when the KKK was on the ascendency. Anybody who took Huck Finn to heart was much less likely to use that word after reading the book.
What really scares (present tense intended) the white left about Trump is the idea of a Huck/Jim alliance. An alliance between the black and white underclasses, which must remain divided to allow the white left to rule.
It must be kept in mind that Stephens is a #nevertrumper. He is batshit crazy. He thought that since he hated Trump, and the journalists of the Times hate Trump, he was among sane people. But he is crazy and the journalists of the Times are crazy.
It is one giant, deplorable-free asylum over there on Eighth Avenue.
In his spiked column, Stephens writes "We are living in a period of competing moral certitudes, of people who are awfully sure they’re right and fully prepared to be awful about it."
Stephens is off the rails. This is not about "moral certitudes." It is about power.
"If Hillary had no "intent" when she set up a private server in her house, then NOBODY has intent. “
Didn’t you get the memo? With Hillary it was only “extreme carelessness” not “gross negligence” so therefore her conduct was not criminal. Lack of intent isn’t even an excuse the way the laws she broke are written. To me “extreme carelessness” sounds even worse that ‘gross negligence” I mean how much worse than “extreme” can you get? But that’s why I am not a highly paid fixer for the Democrats.
The essay is sophomoric.
I'd say, incidentally, the guy used the word deliberately but not intentionally. He was trying to carve out a space for discussion.
The word wouldn't come to him naturally.
My grandchildren can’t watch a fucking TV cartoon show during this month without getting an asshole lecture on kissing blacks’ asses.
This shit is a plague.
I’m not accustomed to using racial epithets, but I’m considering changing my habits and employing them in every sentence, the way my kids’ generation uses “fuck” in every sentence.
It is a cardinal consideration in pardons (or at least it was until Donald Trump got in on the act).
Marc Rich? Oh that’s right, this is the New York Times, nothing the Democrats did yesterday ever happened.
"Speaking of Donald Trump, it's the question I think should be at the core of the impeachment trial but is not: Did Trump intend that the crowd break into the Capitol and terrorize the members of Congress?"
This isn't right. The new political reality is that politicians promote violence among their supporters, with the intention of terrorizing the opposition. The question before Congress is whether Congress should be exempt from what everyone else experiences.
In general there is no such thing as present intention. It's a token in a retroactive account. It can be contested by other accounts, and the winner will involve generalizations and predictions of which one is more useful or consistent going forward.
The demise of the NYT short term is maybe the governing force; long-term it's dead.
I'm not even convinced that there's a slippery slope in the banning of words. It's just that one word.
Right. The party of “hate speech” just wants one word.
Hmm...
I wonder what Bill Clinton's intentions were when Mark Rich's big boobed wife went to Bill and petitioned for a pardon for Mark.
"’m not accustomed to using racial epithets, but I’m considering changing my habits and employing them in every sentence, the way my kids’ generation uses “fuck” in every sentence.”
You could be just like my uncle. We all loved him, but he would be locked up today. He had a dog that he named “Black Dog” and we were surprised he used that neutral of a phrase given how he normally talked. He also would pick up a snake whenever he saw one and snap it like a whip to pop it’s head off. All in al a jovial fellow. Of course he was poor white trash and lived in a trailer, but we used to like to visit that trailer and have a slice of one of our aunt’s pies. She kept him nice and fat, like an elderly uncle should be.
Tim in Vermont is correct about Huck Finn. It is clearly an anti-racist book. Also The Great American Novel.
The New York Times is done as a serious newspaper.
It's been done for a few years, running only on it's long-time subscribers and a somewhat confusing moniker as 'the paper of record'. Confusing because they've been purposefully used as a propaganda tool for decades going back to Joe Stalin. And, sure, they've featured some quality reporting at times. But it's always blended in with outlandish sophomoric reporting focusing on one party or one person that they don't like, typically a conservative. Over and over again, throughout the years. Covering up for one party and philosophy, while digging up dirt, or literally making it up against the other side.
It's akin to Louis Farrakhan managing to squeeze in a couple of truths in the middle of his barrage of hate and fiction against whites and Jews. Those truths are enough to get his followers to suck up and believe the rest of the garbage. The New York Times has lived on this. Toss in a few sophisticated articles on Travel, or Fashion, or Food & Wine, or someone's gorgeous wedding in the Hampton's, and what books to bring when you are going to Martha's Vineyard for the summer months, or a new art exhibit featuring Matthew Wong, and keep your subscribers happy, from the Upper East Side to Madison, WI.
But now, they've been overtaken by the Woke zombies. So everything they've already been doing for years, is now magnified and made even more ridiculous as they have to defend dismissing entire careers for incorrect words or thoughts. Imagine: the 'paper of record' dismissing people for 'wrongthink'.
They should be mocked, ridiculed, dismissed- as easily as they would dismiss you. Any of you.
By the way, Emmy winning Governor Andrew Cuomo is done as well. Toast. New York, as the rest of our country, is in dire need of clear minded adults who want to be leaders, journalists, thinkers. We're frightfully short of those right now. We have clone thinkers. Lots and lots of clones. And not much else.
I won’t give that disgusting, dying institution a dime of my hard earned money. The fact that they would do something so harmful to one of their own justifies my decision to avoid the tripe they belch out.
They need to first adhere to the precepts detailed in the bold paragraph which they will never do. If they become a casualty of our time and of the foolishness that describes all that is wrong with places like NYC then the world might be a better place.
On last thing about my uncle I forgot to add, my dad was with him when he died and he told us he died laughing at a dirty joke.
As to the bolded question - no, the primary job of journalism isn't to do any of the things listed. And modern journalists certainly do not do them ("slow the rush to judgment," indeed). Those things are laudable, and I think they used to be what humans engaged in journalism did as a result of their humanity and (back then) education. But if he's trying to inspire young journalists to "allow for humor," he's going to fail.
They're all going to catch Nixon. In order to do that, you have to keep your outrage pump going full bore. They're all going to oust Chimpy McBushitler. In order to do that, you have to turn off whatever critical thinking and logic you may have gleaned, willy-nilly, over the course of your years in school. They're all going to Get Trump. In order to do that, you have to restart the clock on history every day.
"Context" and "intent" are not vital parts of journalism today. They are excuses journalists use to gloss over bad behavior by either their side or those whom they consider too dumb or weak to succeed without them (like tim above, I want to say "enough with the lies" - their behavior indicates strongly that they don't believe that, say, black people are oppressed, they believe that black people just can't cut it without their help).
Speaking of Hillary. It is time to play their game. The fix is in,Trump won’t be convicted. Get over it, because that will be the outcome.
Stephens opinion is irrelevant when trials are political matters and not bound by rule of law. The politics is the n-word is punishable without regard to intent. Releasing classified information, although lawfully written as no intent required, is a political matter. And so is Trump, and Democrats don’t have the votes for a real trial in the Senate that could lead to conviction. Welcome to new world so many wanted.
I just did a quick search of the word in the NY times.
It looks like it was used about 15-20 times in the past year. Since I can't get to the actual articles I can't tell context.
It's the full word, not "N-word" or "n****r" or the like.
Maybe we should Alinsky the authors of those articles by demanding they be fired.
John Henry
My impression from scattered viewings is the Democrats attempted to establish Trump's intent by reciting multiple layers of hearsay filtered through unnamed media sources.
And that perhaps one of only two named source, Sen. Mike Lee, stood up there and then and objected to the characterization, which the Democrats then withdrew.
Althouse should watch the short Scott Adams episode on planning a coup or insurrection.
The thing is trivial. You need an unusual hat and zip ties to take over the government.
This era of denunciation, censorship, back stabbing and informing can only mean one thing:
There are too many people sitting in an office or at a cubicle with no worthwhile, productive work to do.
I broke out the impeachment trial issue for a new post, so please take that discussion there and keep this one for the NYT n-word thing.
Ann, I support your ban. Regardless of your feelings about the word itself, it is a necessary self-defense move.
If you do not censor there is a serious risk of Google taking the blog down. There is also a risk you would be personally tarred with what someone else might say.
It is outrageous that this is the case, but sadly it it.
It is one more reason you need to get off Google. Getting off Google and onto your own server would not make the rusk go away but it would lessen it
And you could, probably should, as a matter of taste (style?) if nothing else, continue your ban policy.
John Henry
NYT spiked it because it shows what unbelievable hypocrites and frauds they are.
Can’t have that.
Journalists can sure come up with a lot of flowery bullshit about what they think their job is.
It's like they want to do your thinking for you so that you can then proceed to the crossword puzzle.
I am Laslo.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is apparently the Big Lie of the twenty-first century.
N***** has an appealing alliterative quality that's hard to match. A few nights ago I was running a phone-in LGBT A.A. meeting. We were beset by a half-dozen or so adolescent gay bashers who were screaming "faggot faggot faggot" and "n***** n***** n*****". Kicking them off and locking the meeting was no problem; and I reflected on how the japes were different. The word "faggot" or "fag" comes off as lame to my ears. But n***** repeated over and over is a rhythmic 50 caliber machine gun of invective. Detach the word from the opprobrium and it sounds sort of cool.
So, you can say "faggot" all day on the Althouse blog, but "n*****" will get you cancelled. Go figure.
But Nikole Hannah-Jones of the NY Slimes 1619 fake history projection did use the n-word in BOTH variants in a tweet. She was called out on it by Washington Free Times reporter Aaron Sibarium and she doxxed the guy by putting up his phone number. But she hasn’t been fired or suspended or reprimanded by her betters at the Times. And those actions and the tweet were full of intent.
It’s rules for thee time by color. The new Jim Crow in reverse.
It is a cardinal consideration in pardons (or at least it was until Donald Trump got in on the act).
That line alone is enough to turn whatever else he had to say, to total shit. Nothing else can be considered in the entire thing as honest or reasonable. Just another partisan hack, hacking.
“Extraordinary capacity to wound”. My ass. This isn’t 1964 or 1978.
I respect that the word may disgust people. It should. But anyone in this day and age who is such a snowflake as to be traumatized by hearing the word needs therapy, not encouragement .
It is used as a weapon-by the alleged victims-against people of good will trying to negotiate this problem. Screw that.
My grandchildren can’t watch a fucking TV cartoon show during this month without getting an asshole lecture on kissing blacks’ asses.
"A Philadelphia elementary school recently forced fifth-grade students to celebrate “black communism” and simulate a Black Power rally in honor of political radical Angela Davis."
I enjoyed the several Fargo series until the recent one with Chris Rock, wherein a black child would pop up for no apparent reason and start lecturing on some sort of nonsense. It was ludicrous and insulting.
And besides that, Fargo #4 deviated from the "Fargo" themes of: taking place in or near Fargo, and regular people vs criminals. And besides that, although Chris Rock was a good comedian he's a crummy actor, with just the one smirky expression. So we made it through about 1.5 episodes.
Shouldn't N-word be capitalized? Because of all the shared history and culture?
I'm not even convinced that there's a slippery slope in the banning of words. It's just that one word
So, just to be clear of what Google allows on Blogger, It's just that One word?
I mean, OF COURSE, ANY derogatory terms towards white are allowed;
and, presumably, any derogatory terms towards ANY group besides blacks are allowed...
BUT! What about OTHER terms that are derogatory towards blacks?
Can we use Jigab**? Sp*ar Ch*cker? D*rkies? Negr*s? T*r B*bies?
I'm sure guessing NO; NO we can NOT use those words.
Maybe they'll let them slide This Week, but Not Next Week
What ever Google's Blogger dictates, our Professor (and, thus We) will have to do
Because Blogger OWNS this blog. They Own Every word written here
Our Professor HAS to do, WHATEVER Blogger says; because she is their "n-word"
"What woke Stephens is it happened to someone he liked." - Don Surber
What about “n-word lover”? It was supposed to be an insult but it became a badge of honor, and now it sounds like an insult again?
RE: intent "It is the difference between murder and manslaughter." - both of these are still crimes. Criminal negligence doesn't require intent, either.
Intent certainly matters, but I don't think it changes whether Trump's "responsible enough" to be barred from office.
Impeachment isn't a criminal trial where we're trying to decide what level of sentencing is appropriate. It's a political trial where we're trying to decide whether a person should be barred from future office-holding. The House made the case that he *should* have known better. Whether he did, and (and his actions were therefore treasonous) or he didn't (and thus they were merely negligent), barring him from running again is a reasonable response.
As i understand it, mcneil was speaking of what are the guidelines about using that word, discretion is not to use it, but thats an old fashioned thing.
I know that the guys\gals at the Fire Dept use the term Canadian(s)
Is that a FIREable offense?
It's like they want to do your thinking for you so that you can then proceed to the crossword puzzle.
Ouch...but she won't be hurt...
The question before Congress is whether Congress should be exempt from what everyone else experiences.
This line from Rory is genius.
What did the secretary of state intend by setting up a private domain on a private PC ("personal" computer) to read and send government / public information?
If Carlin were alive he'd have to add another word to his seven word list or risk being canceled.
ISTM the word itself is gaining more and more power.
Is it really the one be-all-end-all word? Or is it being given that power more and more as the years go on? Are there other words that can start hopping aboard that boat?
One thing I'm hearing more and more on tv is "Jesus Christ" as a curse. I never would have heard that even a decade ago. As some word rules get loosened, one gets more and more controlled. But this obviously isn't about offending people, or hurting people.
They’re coming for everyone. Cements my view that it’s not worth it to post on social media. Even this blog might someday be used to punish those with double plus ungood think.
To wit:
“Cop-turned-professor sues St. John's University for firing him because students 'falsely alleged he asked them to justify slavery'”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232263/Cop-turned-professor-sues-St-Johns-University-claiming-students-got-fired-slavery-question.html
Nicole Hannah Jones tweeted the n-word yesterday. It looks like this new NYT zero-tolerance policy may only apply to white reporters.
I see that Nicole Hannah Jones says on Twitter that McNeil resigned and was not fired. What is true?
I hear an interview with linguist John McWorter an he was saying that swear words have evolved. First blasphemous words like damn and hell where swearing, then sexual words like fuck and now racial slurs have entered the words that cannot be uttered. I thought his was an interesting take.
In the course of a dinner discussion, he was asked by a student whether a 12-year old should have been suspended by her school for making a video in which she had used a racial slur... “To understand what was in the video, I asked if she had called someone else the slur or whether she was rapping or quoting a book title. In asking the question, I used the slur itself.”
I am curious - did the student say the other student "used a racial slur," or did the student say "n-word," or did the student actually say the n-word? Seems to me that it would make a difference if he, rather than the student, was the one who brought the word into the conversation, but with the current restrictions on use, it would be difficult to set forth in print what actually transpired.
FYI, McNeil is still listed as a reporter for the Times on the Times' website.?
"The problem is establishing a policy, so that people know in advance they can never say the word, for whatever reason."
Well, if people use "n-word" or "n*****" instead of the real word, everyone knows exactly what is being said, but nobody has to stay in detention after school, so there is that.
This is really about manners. Great writers from Twain to Conrad to O'Çonnor to Baldwin to Randall Kennedy have used the real word. But it is ugly and wrong to use it as an epithet.
Got it.
But each firing makes a place for a person of color and isn't that the real goal?
I've only watched a portion of the Dem case. Here's my impartial (as best as I can be) take.
Most of the impeachment managers have done a good job (Castro was an exception). I'm actually surprised at how well they spoke. A huge contrast to Pelosi and Schumer and other bloviaters that front the Dems in Congress.
They did seem to address the intent issue. Since I didn't watch it all I may have missed something. The gist seems to be that Trump knew how violent these groups could be and he summoned them to Washington to try to stop the certification of the election. His speech activated the mob and pointed them towards the Capitol. And his inaction to quickly stop the mob once they entered the Capitol showed that he was neither surprised nor displeased with their actions.
This strikes me as a decent case for gross negligence rather than considered intent. I know that in some civil and criminal cases gross negligence can be treated as intent. Not sure how that applies to an Impeachment.
"If anti-Semitism is a form of racism, and racist language is intolerable at The Times, might we someday forbid not only advocacy of anti-Zionist ideas, but even refuse to allow them to be discussed?"
Showing the usual naivete of the well-meaning non-prog. If we reject racism as intolerable regardless of intent, might we, logically . . . Well, no. The prog point is never about logic. It is always about winning. Vile antisemitism serves the cause perfectly well, so expect more rather than less. It's not really racist, you see, and the Jews are oppressors anyway, and are they even a race?
In fact, progs have been proudly parading their double standard for some time now. You, racists, must be canceled, we, progs, can say whatever we like--Ilhan O on the Jews, Nikki H-J in using the Word herself, rappers vilifying women. Selective cancel culture is also a way of flaunting prog power.
What could be a bigger trigger? I figger a jigger of ligger could knock a digger or for that matter a tigger into state where they lacked the rigger to put on a wigger.
Who needs the n-word?
Lewis Wetzel said...Stephens is off the rails. This is not about "moral certitudes." It is about power.
Yes. It bears repeating that this farce is all about power. The fascists want to control our speech and our thoughts.
There is no truth but the Hive's truth. comrade.
I'm not even convinced that there's a slippery slope in the banning of words. It's just that one word.
I’ll see your “just that one word” and raise you with “just two weeks to flatten the curve.”
Recklessness fits as scienter.
But we don't ask whether Andy Reid's son "intended" to leave a 5 year old brain dead by getting drunk and causing an accident. Just because "intent" in the abstract is absolutely important that doesn't mean that Trump "wanted it to happen." Intent an take the form of reckless indifference to human life. Which I do believe is Trump's level of culpability. What he did was similar to drunk driving or throwing fire crackers in a dry forest.
There's an episode of the animated (and thoroughly race-conscious) TV show Boondocks, where Huey's grandfather is expressing outrage that a white man used that word toward him. Huey (the young protagonist and bi6dding Black radical) says "You use that word all the time! Riley {his younger brother} thought it was his name until he was three years old!"
All this cataclysm over a word. Whether it's the n-word or the n-word, everyone knows the n-word is implied. Logically, anyone so delicate as to burst into tears upon hearing or reading the n-word ought to have the same reaction to the n-word. That they do not is evidence of profound dysphoric neurosis at work, in other words, batshit.
All this cataclysm over a word. It puts me in mind of another such cataclysm. (The wisdom and prescience of the Pythonites is amazing.)
Trying to appease the batshitters is also batshit. They are never appeased. Assume the n-word is formally abolished and all transgressors have their lips gorilla-glued to a toilet seat, the batshitters will only demand another shubbery.
"What he did was similar to drunk driving or throwing fire crackers in a dry forest. “
Based on what? Based on the fact that Democrats have been letting violent protest slide unpunished the whole Trump era and even let off 200 people who rioted at Trump’s inauguration off without charges? By standards of the last four years, this riot was more “mostly peaceful” than most.
What the Democrat’s have charged him with was planning an insurrection. More akin to planning and putting into action a plan to rob Fort Knox than careless driving.
What you are also saying is that Trump supporters have no right of peeacable assembly and to peacefully seek redress from their government. By your standards, given what we saw happen in Milwauki, Seattle, Minneapolis, and many other cities. No Democrats should be allowed to assemble in protest either.
Who am I kidding? You know that you are going to apply a double standard.
Not to mention that we don’t even really know that much about who was doing the actual breaking in. We have arrested one guy because his relatives turned him in, who graduated from an elite university, whose parents are a federal beurocrat and a lawyer, and who was seen yucking it up behind police lines, and then came throuigh and started shouting to rile the protesters on, we know that they guy broke the window right before one of the protesters was murdered by that cop.
Why isn’t he speaking at the “trial” about how he was acting on Donald Trump’s orders?
This is a really interesting column, Ann.
I like what you did with Bret Stephens work, though it strikes me that he just thinks Trump is 100% guilty regardless of intent. That's why he drags him in to the discussion on pardons, to signal to readers that he, like them, hates Trump.
So that your explication of his column, while in the background the Trump impeachment 2.0 is going on, is actually more interesting to me than his original column.
"his strikes me as a decent case for gross negligence “
If he were a Democrat, like say Hillary, it would only be “extreme carelessness” of course and it would all be dropped, like the email thing. But your conclusion rests on the assumption that Trump supporters are somehow especially violent.
"Trump knew how violent these groups could be”
Show me another violent Trump protest. Another protest where Trump supporters were peacefully assembles and violence broke out without the benefit of Ante-Fa provocation.
You can’t. You have just internalized the press narrative against those of us who support Trump and you mentally refer to it as if it were fact.
You are no better than Freder.
Before we go any further some clarification is in order. Perhaps Althouse will more narrowly stipulate the forbidden n-word. (I do hope it is not nanocephalous, as I find it a particularly useful word whenever Inga shows up.)
Someone will look back and wonder why the liberal bourgeoise the so-called "Best and the brightest" wrote obsessively about the N-word, and debated endlessly what draconian punishment should be meted out to those white people who used it.
I applaud Althouse for her refusal to drink gallons of bilge to find one drop of nectar. This trial is the most insane, boring thing the US Congress has done in my lifetime. This has ZERO to do with what the American want or care about.
We must be Vigilant not to fall into the other trap which is believing that there is no harm in good intentions. Often times good intentions caused the biggest problems. I am from the government and I’m here to help. The most dangerous words in the English language.
The problem with the knights who say the n-word rather than the n-word is they do not remain the knights who say the n-word rather than the n-word.
All hail the holy Prophets of Python.
It's "The Curious case of he dog that did not bark in the night."
If the Democrats had evidence of intent, would they have shown it?
Yes
Did they show any evidence of Trump's intent to spark a riot?
No
Why not?
Because it doesn't exist
Why not?
Because he didn't have that intent
Case closed
We have reached the Beavis and Butthead level of cultural sophistication: "You said 'x'! You said 'x'!" And among those who consider themselves professionals working for great institutions. This cannot end well.
Bret Stephens wrote "Journalism as a humanistic enterprise — as opposed to hack work or propaganda — does these things in order to teach both its practitioners and consumers to be thoughtful."
That's the sort of thing only someone who fancies themself to be a "journalist" would be likely to write. It's bullshit, as is "journalism" itself.
Reporters are legit. Editors are legit. Columnists are legit. In contrast to those legitimate professions, and contrary to Stephens' assertion, "journalism" almost seems to be defined by "hack work or propaganda."
In an initial note to staff, editor-in-chief Dean Baquet noted that, after conducting an investigation, he was satisfied that McNeil had not used the slur maliciously and that it was not a firing offense. In response, more than 150 Times staffers signed a protest letter.
The proper response to that is to fire the organizers of the letter, and everyone who signed the letter who's been working for the Times for less than 10 years.
For the ones that haven't yet been fired, you examine everything they ever published. If they ever wrote the word in anything they published, fire them.
If any are still left, have a talk with them, and let them know if they ever do something that stupid again, they're fired.
For every person working at the NYT, there's 10 people just as qualified who want to work there.
The only reason for Baquet to "give in" is because he's a bully and a thug who wanted to "give in"
Censorship is a tricky business.
Sorry . . . just having a bit of fun . . . .
Imagine a courtroom scene – somewhere, someone is being tried for something . . . .
Judge: One more time [to the witness], what EXACTLY did the defendant say?
Witness: Your honor, as I’ve been trying to tell you, he said “Get out of here you mo**er f*****g n-word.”
Judge: You want to stand by that, those are his exact words?
Witness: Yes your Honor.
Defense Counsel: Your Honor, since there is no law against saying the “n-word,” I move for dismissal.
Prosecutor: Your Honor, he didn’t say the “n-word,” he said, you know, THE N-WORD!
Judge: Case Dismissed!
"What he did was similar to drunk driving or throwing fire crackers in a dry forest. “
Based on what?
Based on his own words: "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away....."
Trump is saying "if people believe their government is illegitimate, you can expect violence." This is what happens. Look what you made us do!
He knew that if people believed his lies, there would be violence. He just didn't give a shit.
D.D. Driver said...
Trump is saying "if people believe their government is illegitimate, you can expect violence." This is what happens. Look what you made us do!
He knew that if people believed his lies, there would be violence. He just didn't give a shit.
1: The Democrats have been saying that all summer and fall. See excuses for the BLM riots.
2: It wasn't a lie. No honest vote counter shuts down in the middle of election night with votes still to count
No honest vote counter blocks pool watchers from doing their job. Which means monitoring everything teh poll workers are doing, from a close enough distance that they can see everything the poll worker is doing.
PA, WI, MI, and GA were flipped to Biden by counties doing both those actions. you don't need anything else to know that the election was fraudulent, and stolen
(1) The democrats are not my role models. I'm underwhelmed by the "I'm just acting like a democrat" defense. It's not particularly persuasive.
(2) Trump dismissed his Georgia case because its was crap. Trump had an opportunity to prove his case and he "settled." It's consistent with my view and inconsistent with yours. You have already gone on record that Trump will "re-file" his case. We shall see, but I would bet good money against it.
Bzzt
1: Trump had the GA case dismissed w/o prejudice so they could get the SS's data, and refine their hunt for illegal voters
2: It doesn't matter. The NYT correct noted that the recent Uganda elections were considered fraudulent because the government prevented poll watchers from watching the count
That because once you've blocked the poll watchers, you can carry out undetectable fraud
What applies to Uganda, equally applies to the US. Especially. to Democrat controlled hell-holes like Philly, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Atlanta.
By blocking the poll watchers, the made it so no honest observer trusts their results.
The election was stolen
"(1) The democrats are not my role models. I'm underwhelmed by the "I'm just acting like a democrat" defense. It's not particularly persuasive."
Since I don't see you out here demanding that every one of the Democrats who did that be impeached, I'm underwhelmed by your "that doesn't matter" defense.
"Your side" is the people whose illegitimate actions you defend, or illegitimate attacks you support. For you that's clearly the Democrats
Currentlyu reading James Ellroy American Tabloid on someone here's recommendation. Enjoying it a lot.
Ellroy uses N' (n-prime) prolifically in the book. I did a search and probably got over 100 instances. The book is from 1995 so it was not as as risky as it seems to be today. In the context, characters and time setting of the book, it is probably realistic (though no less jarring to read). Many of the occurrences are dialog, some are interior thoughts of the characters but some are just there for flavor, I think.
So could he get away with that today? I downloaded the sample of his most recent book "This Storm" 2019, did a search and find 5-6 examples in just the 30 pages or so that I have in the sample.
So has he been cancelled yet?
Mark Twain has been cancelled in some places for his use of N', he is arguably a more classy writer than Ellroy. His use of the word was not derogatory (IMO) Ellroy certainly puts the word in characters mouths to disparage others. He uses it in a very vile and offensive way.
Why is one cancelled and not the other?
Maybe we should picket our libraries DEMANDING!!! that they remove Ellroy's books. Let's make Alinsky work for us.
I wonder if this whole megillah with Neil is just an excuse. They wanted to get rid of him for some reason. The reason was not really defensible, so they used this.
As I said earlier, we should start asking the NYT ombudsman why certain people are allowed to use the word and others are not. Are black people allowed to say the word but white people not? Isn't that discrimination on the basis of race?
John Henry
I'm not even convinced that there's a slippery slope in the banning of words. It's just that one word.
Of course, this is a false statement. As recent history shows. NYT says you can't say the "r-word" either. What's the r-word? I didn't know either. But apparently it's a big deal.
This was mentioned both at Instapundit and at DailyWire. I'll link the DailyWire article, if I'm allowed. It was almost unreadable to me and to many others.
New York Times Reporter Claims Billionaire Tech Investor Used The R-Word, Gets Corrected, Blames Everyone Else
Opening paragraph:
New York Times tech reporter Taylor Lorenz on Saturday evening accused Marc Andreessen, a billionaire tech entrepreneur and investor, of saying the “r-word” while using the social media network Clubhouse.
Professor Althouse, you seem to imply that there should be a blanket censorship of the n-word, not just here on this blog, but everywhere.
My daughter read To Kill a Mockingbird with her junior high class just a few years ago. The word appears in it repeatedly. Should she have not been exposed to that piece of literature? Or do you think that newly published editions should be edited? Her class read it as written and discussed the word and how opinions on its use have changed over the years. Was quite a mature way of tackling it I thought. But you couldn't do that if you didn't read the book or changed the text.
This tweet shows that T-Rump was not only indifferent to the suffering he caused, but intended to justify it:
“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long."
So like Stalin he just wants to break his eggs to make that big old fancy omelet. For some reason his faction in Congress and other sideline spectators want to pretend such intention doesn't exist. How weak of them.
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