January 30, 2021
"'History,' E. M. Cioran once wrote, 'is irony on the move.' Bearing out this maxim, cultural revolutions have now erupted right in the heart of Western democracies...."
"The appeal of Maoism for many Western activists in the nineteen-sixties and seventies came from its promise of spontaneous direct democracy—political engagement outside the conventional framework of elections and parties. This seemed a way out of a crisis caused by calcified party bureaucracies, self-serving élites.... Tony Judt warned, not long before his death, that the traditional way of doing politics in the West—through 'mass movements, communities organized around an ideology, even religious or political ideas, trade unions and political parties'—had become dangerously extinct. There were, Judt wrote, 'no external inputs, no new kinds of people, only the political class breeding itself.' Trump emerged six years later, channelling an iconoclastic fury at this inbred ruling class and its cherished monuments.
Trump failed to purge all the old élites, largely because he was forced to depend on them, and the Proud Boys never came close to matching the ferocity and reach of the Red Guards. Nevertheless, Trump’s most devoted followers, whether assaulting his opponents or bombarding the headquarters in Washington, D.C., took their society to the brink of civil war while their chairman openly delighted in chaos under heaven. Order appears to have been temporarily restored (in part by Big Tech, one of Trump’s enablers). But the problem of political representation in a polarized, unequal, and now economically debilitated society remains treacherously unresolved. Four traumatic years of Trump are passing into history, but the United States seems to have completed only the first phase of its own cultural revolution."
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What Are the Cultural Revolution’s Lessons for Our Current Moment?/The great question of China’s Maoist experiment now looms over the United States: Why did a powerful society suddenly start destroying itself?"
Mao invented fake "Traditional Chinese Medicine" - which the NewAge cult encourages here.
So there's cult fraud again - DRINK.
The Democrats are a cult.
"Why did a powerful society suddenly start destroying itself?"
I think a lot of people would disagree with the "suddenly" part of that question. Such people tend not to write for The New Yorker or be appreciated widely by its readers.
You can only be avant-garde for so long before you become garde. Yesterday’s Maoists rebelling against an ossified self-serving administrative state are today’s ossified self-serving administrative state.
Mishra tacitly admits that there is a historical context to Trump and that his supporters have some legitimacy. That’s a huge step for her side of the aisle. Maybe, eventually, she’ll get there. Of course, she’ll be fired by the New Yorker long before that happens.
The problem with mass movements is, by the time they grow large enough that I actually hear about them, they’ve already been taken over by charlatans and lunatics.
"Cultural revolutions have now erupted right in the heart of Western democracies...." (2021)
Why do I get the impression few WANT to understand this?
"New Age "Asiatic" thought ... is establishing itself as the hegemonic ideology of global capitalism." - Zizek (2001)
The world's twenty years late to the party if the NewAge Naziism was "establishing itself" in 2001.
Back to the present day
Leading New Age Conspiracy Influencers Plan Their Retreat to Utopian Lagoon
I don't write Vice's headlines, Folks, I just document what the fuck is going on.
serious question,
does this moronic fool, Pankaj Mishra, have ANY idea what China's Cultural Revolution WAS?
"the Proud Boys never came close to matching the ferocity and reach of the Red Guards"; I honestly thought it was going to say "of antifa and BLM."
Are people, not Twitter, really buying the insurrection and civil war story line that these silly people are pushing?
Politics lives downstream of culture.
And, by 2001, NewAge was "establishing itself" as corporate culture. You could see it in TV commercials.
By 2004 , it was already done "establishing itself" and Mumbo-Jumbo had "Conquered" the World
By 2005, we were in The Age of Unreason - without hardly anyone noticing.
So - all these many years later - is it any surprise the cult's coming out in the open now?
"Mishra tacitly admits that there is a historical context to Trump and that his supporters have some legitimacy. That’s a huge step for her side of the aisle. Maybe, eventually, she’ll get there. Of course, she’ll be fired by the New Yorker long before that happens."
Yes, but Mishra is a male.
And a very successful writer who is in his 50s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankaj_Mishra
"serious question,
does this moronic fool, Pankaj Mishra, have ANY idea what China's Cultural Revolution WAS?"
Serious question: Did you consider reading the linked article before writing that?
Once the Age of Unreason set in, Steve Jobs was toast. NewAge had been corporate culture for 10 years, by then, remember?
And he was it's leading figure.
here's a fun fact, that i JUST learned about China's Cultural Revolution!
The 1975 Banqiao Dam failure was the collapse of 62 dams, including the Banqiao Dam, in Henan, China in August 1975 under the influence of Typhoon Nina. The dam failure created the third-deadliest flood in history, with an estimated death toll ranging from 85,600 to 240,000
you know how people here, are all the time saying things like:
Do you want a bridge built by SJW's?
Here's what you get, if you have dams built and operated by Cultural Revolutionarys!
LONG LIVE BIG BROTHER!
Serious question: Did you consider reading the linked article before writing that?
no maam,
i only read the part you'd posted, i'd thought you'd know to post relevant material; sorry!
"Mishra tacitly admits that there is a historical context to Trump and that his supporters have some legitimacy."
"It’s just too simplistic to dismiss an entire political movement and a democratically elected president as a “destructive cult” without noting the distinct differences that separate Donald Trump from historical cult leaders and his supporters from the victims of destructive cults.
Instead of characterizing devotion to Donald Trump as a “cult” without qualification, it’s preferable, more objective, accurate and concise to recognize the nuances and complexity of the cultural currents and rifts that are polarizing Americans. Donald Trump may have a kind of fan base or “cult following” like many celebrities, but he does not match the criteria that defines cult leaders"
ok, i've read, the ENTIRE article (which includes fun "facts" like:
According to estimates quoted by Yang, as many as a million and a half people were killed)
including the part at the end, where the author writes the stuff you cited,
about how Donald Trump (and the Proud Boys) are signs of the Cultural Revolution coming here
And, now; i've got to ask, Another Serious Question
does this moronic fool, Pankaj Mishra, have ANY idea what China's Cultural Revolution WAS?
"no maam,
i only read the part you'd posted, i'd thought you'd know to post relevant material; sorry!"
No, you thought you'd call someone a "moron" when you had not informed yourself. That's on you, not me. Obviously, I can't copy whole articles. I'm pushing the limit in copying as much as I do, and one reason I consider that ethical is that I am trying to drive readers to the entire article. And I don't baby you by writing "Read the whole thing" when there's lots more to be read. You should realize that.
I've pretty much stopped trying to read The New Yorker largely because the grandiose verbosity of that excerpt is both typical and typically useless.
Hannah Goldfield used to be dependably worthwhile but she's been struggling unsuccessfully to write her way free of the pandemic. There's still Jill Lepore but she's always been tedious and never more than skimworthy. I wish she wrote better topic sentences.
I still keep an eye out for Nick Paumgarten but they publish his work infrequently and then only to meet some kind of diversity quota, I suspect.
The February 1, 2021 issue starts with yet another slapdash cover (why are the covers by women so frequently so awful?) The next page is an ad for a podcast for Women Who Travel. Next after that comes an ad for "therapy from the comfort of your own phone" just in case you are "struggling with any emotional issues." The ad features a too good-looking Millennial woman who we are supposed to believe is depressed and bedridden with a full face of makeup, although in all fairness, her luxuriant hair is slightly mussed. Stuck in bed with only her phone, the point must be she needs a friend and so do you.
On page 17 is a full-page ad for a book called "Vanity Fair's Women on Women." It is a compilation of essays and its cover promises "[a] veritable candy box of glamour and personality."
In keeping with the spirit of our times, one is left to wonder how many people who purchase the book will get the joke enough to laugh.
History is irony on the move:
Furious backlash after SoulCycle 'celebrity' instructor Stacey Griffith, 52, - who counts Oprah and Kelly Ripa as clients - gets COVID vaccine 'because she's a teacher'
SoulCycle is a - oh, forget it.
There's stuff Trump isn't good at, but he didn't do anything wrong. Quite the opposite, and Biden's putting it all the good stuff Trump did back the way it was.
Soap opera as a market force accounts for what's going on, and the battle over whether soap opera will rule or not. The article is soap opera dressed up as academic.
I read the whole article. This is the paragraph that struck me:
“ With the Cultural Revolution, he seemed to sideline economic development in favor of a large-scale engineering of human souls and minds. Social equality, in this view, would come about by plunging the Chinese into “continuous revolution,” a fierce class struggle that would permanently inflame the political consciousness of the masses.”
The far left, here in the US, is engaged in this very push. This danger is not coming from the right, it’s coming from the left.
The New Yorker largely because the grandiose verbosity of that excerpt is both typical and typically useless.
That’s what I got out of the article. And Trump supporters didn’t bombard the Capitol and nearly start a civil war.
from the article
"...in Xi’an, the Red Guards paraded Xi Zhongxun, a stalwart of the Chinese Communist Revolution who had fallen out with Mao, around on a truck and then beat him. His wife, in Beijing, was forced to publicly denounce their son—Xi Jinping, China’s current President. Xi Jinping’s half sister was, according to official accounts, “persecuted to death”; most probably, like many people tortured by the Red Guards, she committed suicide. Xi spent years living in a cave dwelling, one of sixteen million youths exiled to the countryside by Mao."
This would do much to form an intelligent man's ethos of the relationship between the individual and the state, and the role of the culture in forming the state and vice versa. What runs through my mind in reading this is that Xi gives credit and praise to the man most responsible for this on a daily basis.
What do you think that does to a person?
This all may be so, but I was raised in Portland, home to chaos for chaos' sake, and I'm not going back.
maybe I'M the moron here!
Maybe Pankaj Mishra, and our Professor, are saying that it is the Left's Reaction to Trump
that is similar to the Chinese Cultural Revolution? If so, I Apologize!
And, now; i've got to ask, Another Serious Question
does this moronic fool, Pankaj Mishra, have ANY idea what China's Cultural Revolution WAS?
Q: But wasn't Pankaj Mishra ever so clever, at first causing one to think he was comparing Xiden and his woke/racist cultural revolution to the very similar disastrous Chinese version, and then, in a sudden non sequitur, he's emitting the standard Orange Man Bad words complete with the obvious lies about knowing the Bad Orange Man's emotions?
A: No, he wasn't clever.
I read the article. Is the writer saying Trump was on his way to become Mao II by enlisting his young followers to torture and kill opponents, but was stopped by the deep state? Why all praise to the swamp!
"Liberalism [Free market economics] denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual” - Benito Mussolini
The Doctrine of Fascism
It’s kind of interesting that when Il Duce denounces socialism, he gets a lot fuzzier in his thinking. His denouncement of socialism is mostly on grounds of tactics to achieve the same ends of collectivism.
"Is the writer saying Trump was on his way to become Mao II by enlisting his young followers to torture and kill opponents”
Always accuse the other side of whatever unsavory thing it is that you are doing. It’s one of the first rules of propaganda.
Irony? How this for irony? The only president in my lifetime (I am 3 score and 10) to stand up to the Chi-Coms was the bad Orange Man.
Chuckle of the morning: "SoulCycle is a - oh, forget it." All you have to do is look at their landing page.
I know I am not alone in seeing or saying this, but I have said it for years: My generation- our generation, Ann- is the worst parenting generation in history. In the 60s and early 70s, we were enamored with every failed philosophy the world had dished out prior to our arriving, and acted like we discovered them. We threw ourselves into vague movements and followed hideous people marching in the streets, taking over university admin offices, applauding bad behavior and screaming that it all had to come down. Then over the next 4 decades, many of us just stayed in school, getting jobs from which you could not be fired, and proceeded to play out various theories and fun experiments on rooms full of young minds filled with mush.
And those of us who did not stay in college, went on to learn how to make as much money as we could- while trying to hang onto those 60s feelings by backing movements and ideas and fads that harkened back to those good 'ole days of taking over the admin building.
We called ourselves parents, but most of our generation fucked up our kids. We gave them everything except a sense of the country and the economy and how to better treat people. We heartily worked with those who would tear down our country, while we worked hard amassing all we could. And our children? Hell...we let the schools and computers teach them. How'd that work out?
Sure, I may not be talking about your kids, fellow Boomers, but look around you. I'm sure you know a lot of people- your own friends and family- who have fucked up kids going to schools that are only making them more crazy. Or already graduated, and vying for a university position in the Gender Studies department.
The Cultural Revolution? Hell yeah. It's been ingrained into this society for years now. It's just starting to bear fruit. And the Baby Boomers who were so enraptured with the likes of Mao and Che (what is it with totalitarians and cute 3 letter names?) while working so hard to get theirs now applaud happily at BLM and Antifa while they make their demands- not on the college admin office- but on everyone.
The neat thing to know about the Cultural Revolution and the Giant Leap Forward is that no one gets a pass. You can be in the front row applauding your kids, but they will soon be pointing you out to their group leader. You are, after all, a bourgeois pig who thinks cults are cute.
“Our generation is the worst parenting generation in history.”
In the history of the United States anyway.
The author is a fiction writer after all. He is also a leftist and a globalist. This is exactly the kind of BS the left propagates.
That is, of course, the Great Leap Forward, not the Giant Leap Forward. Fingers moving too quickly to catch that one this morning.
Yes, Tim- you are correct. In the history of the US. The rest of the world's history has us by a lot. But they've been at it longer. They're far better at fucking up. We're still relative rookies at it, but coming on strong.
With the Cultural Revolution, he seemed to sideline economic development in favor of a large-scale engineering of human souls and minds. Social equality, in this view, would come about by plunging the Chinese into “continuous revolution,”
Let’s look to the tweetings of Joe Robinette Biden, shall we?
Joe Biden's economic policy team, led by incoming Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, has signaled it will be the first administration in history "to construct economic policy around issues like race, gender equality and climate change, rather than around traditional indicators like gross domestic product or deficit ratios," reports Axios.
This is full on propaganda. If it’s traumatic to you to be out of power for a little while, you should never be allowed in power i the first place, for one thing. I don’t see the purpose in giving what is clearly propaganda any mind space. It’s like playing with viruses in your lab in Wuhan.
Ann Althouse said...Mishra is a male.
And a very successful writer who is in his 50s.
As we all know, that’s no protection from a charge of wrong-think.
“Our generation is the worst parenting generation in history.”
Well I did my part. Of my four children, three are conservatives. The wayward liberal married a newspaper writer, supported by his parents. Some things are out of your control.
TIME magazine reported years ago that Shirley MacLaine was invited to a White House state dinner for Deng Xio Peng. My recollection is she told Deng she couldn't understand why he was turning to capitalism and wasn't the Cultural Revolution wonderful. After all, she said, when she toured China a few years ago she met a nuclear physicist who said he was perfect happy on a farm commune.
Deng's reply?
"He lied."
Who are you to assume this person’s gender Ms Althouse?
Speaking of irony, let's forget the terms "Wuhan Virus" and "China Virus" have been banished from the lexicon by Chairman Biden. All hail the Chairman!!
"channelling an iconoclastic fury at this inbred ruling class and its cherished monuments"
Right. But the actual Cultural Revolution was a tool in the power struggle by China's actual ruling class against potential rivals.
"Trump failed to purge all the old élites, largely because he was forced to depend on them"
Indeed. He was Chairman of next to nothing.
"and the Proud Boys never came close to matching the ferocity and reach of the Red Guard"
They were an idea, a leftist idea, for the most part.
"whether assaulting his opponents"
Wait, what?
"bombarding the headquarters in Washington, D.C."
Bombarding?
"their chairman openly delighted in chaos under heaven"
Huh?
"Order appears to have been temporarily restored"
The actual ruling class is simply using the so-called uprising as propaganda to solidify its power.
"the United States seems to have completed only the first phase of its own cultural revolution"
We are bing gaslighted. The real Cultural Revolution is being carried out by the left--a great purge of names and people and statues and ideas and legal principles and traditional mores.
Tony Judt surprisingly right. Pankaj Mishra and The New Yorker unsurprisingly wrong.
One thing that struck me back in the days when we were still interacting with people face to face was how (upper class and/or presumably high caste) Indians assumed that the days of the White man were over and they were coming into their own at last. Centuries could be overturned at last. Millennia, not so much.
Pankaj experiences a thrill being married into the British aristocracy and celebrating the end of the White man's rule, a thrill similar to that experienced by upper class British Communists in the Thirties. Add to that the charms of being the next Niall Fergusonish media darling and kicking the last one repeatedly in the rump.
Mishra comes close to speaking truth to power, which is that Trump is an effect, not a cause. One of the things this means, which Mishra also hints at, is that the underlying reasons for the rise of Trump have not gone away, and the great benefit of Trump, which was to expose how fundamentally incompetent, rotten and hollow our institutions are, has resulted in confirmation of what was previously only suspected. This in turn further radicalizes the already disaffected. I suspect that whoever the Deplorables send to the White House next will be orders of magnitude harsher than Trump.
The cultural revolution has been going on for quite some time.... from the left. They're smashing all the olds.
This is like all the libs reading 1984 in 2017. They really need to keep asking themselves, "are we the baddies?"
One could turn this around on Mishra. Trump supporters for the most part weren't as organized as Biden's, and they weren't organizing purges. Trump might have in some way led a populist resurgence. But he wasn't sending dissidents out to work in the rice fields. The jury's still out on Biden-Harris.
But there's something like a race to the bottom in liberal/progressive magazines this month, a competition to say the worst thing about Trump before he disappears and Biden has to take responsibility for something.
Trump is Mao? The MAGA crowd are the school kids who turned in their parents, clawed their teachers to death? The Right put the Left in re-education camps? Forced laobr? We made them SHUT UP and wear dunce caps?
This writer and the entire Left are mad. Truly mad. The only cure for their madness is self-destruction ...and it’s coming.
Sebastian said: "We are bing gaslighted. The real Cultural Revolution is being carried out by the left--a great purge of names and people and statues and ideas and legal principles and traditional mores."
Some of us are being gaslighted. I have friends- some of them otherwise intelligent people- who get their news entirely from CNN and/or MSNBC. They know only what they are told. And those people are being gaslighted. But many, many of us are not. We simply do not have a megaphone to get our voices heard. We have hundreds of little spots- like a comment section on the Althouse blog- where we may be heard. (and thank you for that, Althouse).
Its astonishing to me how many Americans have zero knowledge of what took place in the Soviet Union or Mao's China, either through history or literature. The information is out there. People can read and find out what took place. And if they'd bother, they'd understand that these purges do not have finite borders. The Anita Dunn's of the world think they can purge the 'other' out of the system, but inevitably the knock comes on her door at night and she's not seen or heard from again, just like her neighbors she turned in earlier.
There is nothing but destruction- of people and entire cultures- from socialism. That is what it does. How it became a 'loveable' cult is something I will never ever understand.
The appeal of Maoism in the 69s and early 70s had little to do with the actual ideas of the Chairman but rather with the cool hats and the show of the little red book hanging out of our back pockets. One in a thousand carrying that little red book had read it or gave one shit about the “ideas” in it.
Carrying the little red book was a little like wearing one of those nauseating lawn signs listing right think beliefs.
The Left paused at false equivocation only long enough to normalize eliminationist dictates against Trump voters and arm their Red Guards, who are a great deal like the Maoist Red Guards in terms of cultural and political power.
The Proud Boys are an obnoxious college fraternity, at worst.
Dictats.
Count on the "Proud Boys" myth being repeated, expanded and cast in stone over the next few years.
Unknown said...
"Are people, not Twitter, really buying the insurrection and civil war story line that these silly people are pushing?"
Yes. The narrative I'm getting from the progg. people that I know has changed the Jan. 6 protest from a riot to an insurrection.
This is how insulted they are; A guard was killed. They don't know his name or who killed him.
They have no idea that a woman was also killed by a guard. None. When I bring it up they accuse me of making it up. We are, to them, white supremists, red necks, pussies, etc. It is boiler plate. As Jeff Goldstein once informed us ,"They have hijacked the language and are using it against us."
The Cultural Revolution was organized or inspired or unleashed from above, wasn't it? By Jiang Qing and the Gang of Four, or something like that? Not so different from Big Tech oligarchs inspiring and empowering the little tweeters in their little purges, maybe?
Mishna is like syme, always going along with ingsoc, until he ultimately got himself culled, now the parallels between maoism and the terror campaign against main street and monuments is not incidental, for susan rosenberg, the honcho at thousand currents is a maoist, her other minions, garza and co, are fans of hugo chavez,
Anita Dunn has been rehabilitated. She is serving as a "senior adviser" to P Biden
Whatever historical accuracy about China exists in this article it is belied by an inverted projection on to Trump and the present day US.
she was cancelling at sd knickerbocker, ann romney, directing the publicity campaign for 'julianne's bender' et al,
In Cuba, the entitlement of the universities because of their role in the ouster of Machado, the desire to implement the unworkable 1940 constitution, led to gangsterism and the rise of Fidel
As Wince observes, it's projection. Most of us can see which side resembles the 'Chinese Cultural Revolution'. Who is purging the language of words they don't like? Who is purging history of great men they find offensive? Who is promoting gender blurring and destroying traditional family structure? Who is suggesting the re-education of those who don't agree with them?
We know who is putting the pee-pee in the Coke.
I am Laslo.
Nonsense, but expected in the New Yorker. The Red Guards of today's America are Antifa and core BLM. What happened on 1/6/21 was just cosplay by comparison.
Mockturtle has it dead on. Most of us know it's the Democrat Party, but why do people keep voting for them. Sure thing that Biden got lots of fraudulent votes, but not all. Too many a knee-jerk D voters who vote the straight ticket.
mogelson was all for this last fall, the cultural revolution was just the last stage, after the great leap forward and the antirightist campaign, all these purges start to sound alike after a while,
Proud Boys? Half the country lives in a different universe haunted by nightmares. I suppose that irrational panic accounts for the continuing National Guard presence in DC. What happened to courage?
interesting I started on this one, this week, begins after chiang's purge of the communists in 1927m
https://matthewlegare.com/blog-post/china-dawn-robert-l-duncan-novel-review/
Lurker21 said...
"Tony Judt surprisingly right."
"Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945" is the shit.
Temujin said...
"I have friends- some of them otherwise intelligent people- who get their news entirely from CNN and/or MSNBC....There is nothing but destruction- of people and entire cultures- from socialism. That is what it does. How it became a 'loveable' cult is something I will never ever understand."
Ask your friends who watch nothing but CNN and/or MSNBC.
Laslo Spatula said...
We know who is putting the pee-pee in the Coke.
I am Laslo.
Perfect.
Serious question: Did you consider reading the linked article before writing that?
For a millisecond; then I saw it was The New Yorker.
I have ordered "The World Turned Upside Down."
That I will read.
indeed,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/01/unite-and-heal-show-trials-and-fascist-purges-daniel-greenfield/
I think what Mishra is saying is that Cultural Revolution is coming, but not the Cultural Revolution that the New Yorker's readership is expecting.
What rot. Just a long way of saying “shut them up, the swine”.
the author, makes clear that the distinction between what came before and the cultural revolution, are as arbitrary as the lenin/stalin dichotomy, one who noted the method of madness was bill buckley, who translated peruvian dissident eudocio ravines, the yenan way in his brief stay with the company,
"We know that no one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end." O'Brien to Winston Smith, explaining why 'the greater good' is not the real reason for totalitarianism, though it is often touted.
Life and Death in Shanghai by Nien Cheng is an excellent firsthand account of the C.C.R. by an articulate, educated woman who lived and survived the long nightmare.
not mishra, the author of the cultural revolution tome,
As always, how do these people tie themselves into knots to make it about Trump, while ignoring stuff like the student mobs attacking Charles Murray or Heather MacDonald (?), those students at that posh high school denouncing their teachers for insufficient wokeness, the young staffers of the New York Times and Politico denoucing their bosses for daring to allow a dissenting voice into their publications (Tom Cotton for the NYT; Ben Shaprliro for Politico), or Antifa/BLM doing midnight marches through suburban neighbourhoods and shining flashlights into peoples' bedrooms.
Proud Boys aren't like the Red Guards because . . they just aren't. It's a bad analogy, a bad fit. Proud Boys are, if you want an analogy, more like Weimar era communist and fascist street fighters. But these fanatic woke youngsters are well on their way to Red Guard status. The violence of Antifa/BLM still falls far short of the violence of the Red Guards. No one's making their teachers eat nails or whatever yet; they're just smashing shops and throwing molotovs at courthouses and police stations, not ransacking private homes and hunting down and killing peoples' pets. But with their "privilege" struggle sessions and their frenzied denunciation of ever more minute ideological deviations they are well on their way.
they haven't been deputized yet, give them some time, the digital bloc committee, the turbas the colectivos, we know which way this is going,
Wow. How obtuse does a writer have to be to write that drivel? Completely misses who the cultural revolutionaries really are.
John Borell above nails it.
I read the article with interest. It was informative. It detailed how some in the west were duped by the rhetoric. Nowadays the Rolling Stones don't like Trump playing their music at his rallies, but, back then, Mick Jagger was on board with Mao and dedicated songs to Mao at his concerts. John Lennon retracted his earlier statement about not carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, anyhow and fell in line with the aspirations of the Cultural Revolution. I liked the article right up to the end when the author suddenly decided that the current manifestation of Mao and Red Guardism was not antifa or the BLM movement but rather Trump and his supporters. WTF!!!! A surprise ending with an O'Henry twist. The author presented not an indictment of the Cultural Revolution but rather an example of it.. If you can distill this much horseshit from reality, you're definitely a member of the Red Guard.
William, did you honestly believe otherwise in that source?
The boorish behavior of Trump supporters who invaded the Capitol was something worse than when Jackson's supporters put their muddy boots on White House rugs but something milder than when the market women invaded Versailles. It was, at any rate, nothing like the Red Guards.....The writer details how artists and intellectuals got the Cultural Revolution wrong and then goes on to demonstrate how artists and intellectuals get Trump wrong.
And Balfegor and Sabastian, and Narciso.
"they haven't been deputized yet, give them some time, the digital bloc committee, the turbas the colectivos, we know which way this is going"
This. Eventually, the Democrats will arm Antifa and BLM with police powers and weapons. There is an inevitibility to this progress of history I am afraid.
it's more of a shmylan twist,
I thought about this article while I was on my run and I started to feel sorry for the writer. I imagine he's been shopping this article around for awhile and no one was interested until a NYer editor suggested adding the two paragraphs about Trump and the riot.
the review was the publication that put a molotov cocktail on the cover,
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/29/twitter-troll-replaced-trump-with-cuomo-in-maxine-waters-infamous-call-to-violence-and-democrats-lost-their-minds/
the london review is often worse,
Crack has the irrational belief that mankind can be cured of its irrational beliefs. If you're human, forty to sixty percent of your Great Liberating Truths are rubbish. It should be noted, however, that some forms of rubbish are more damaging to the environment than others.....The rubbish that the right believes in is sufficiently pernicious, but if you want mass death and suffering, you can't beat the cant that the left uses to fire up its followers.
a more relevant selection
https://newcriterion.com/issues/2021/2/solzhenitsyn-the-engine-of-history
lenin in turn, learned the lesson that neither this group or the social revolutionaries, apparently took to heart,
https://www.rbth.com/history/333342-narodnaya-volya-first-russian-terrorists
I liked the article right up to the end when the author suddenly decided that the current manifestation of Mao and Red Guardism was not antifa or the BLM movement but rather Trump and his supporters.
Agree. BLM, Antifa, and Big Tech are the engines of the collapse of the American system, not Trump or the Proud Boys. It's also hilarious that he talks about Big Tech as one of Trump's enablers, then "in part" restoring order. Yeah, by a totalitarian crackdown on free speech that seems to be ongoing.
William said...
"Crack has the irrational belief that mankind can be cured of its irrational beliefs"
No. He is warning like minded individuals of his experience. We all here know there is no cure for leftism except experience or death. Theirs. Not mine. I add value to the group.
The Left in America just had its greatest spasm of violence in fifty years and the author is instead talking about the Right?
It would have been far more revealing if the author had discussed both Left and Right -- like seeing in stereo.
yes, but he would have been cancelled, and you can't have that, proceeding lenin learned that direct action, was not sufficient for regime change, one must go through the stages that bezmenov has outlined, I thought call of duty cold war would chicken out, but ultimately it followed the message bezmenov outlined,
Eventually, the Democrats will arm Antifa and BLM with police powers and weapons. There is an inevitibility to this progress of history I am afraid.
This is a feature of Kurt Schlicter's novels, especially "Indian Country." I just hope they stay fiction but have a sinking feeling that they are becoming a prediction of the near future.
Filters and frames--the sample was enough; I won't insult the Prof for dragging the pith here for discussion, but I won't read the original either, since it has been eviscerated already.
I read accusations and confessions against and from Boomers here, but I don't recognize myself in the attitudes or actions described; it's an interesting experience as a hinge Boomer ('53) who has been paying attention for the last 40-50 years.
Orwell was never wiser than when he said there are some things so stupid only an intellectual could believe them. OTOH, my brother, no intellectual at all, has fallen deep into MSDNC land--I dropped by yesterday and the TV was on CNN and his computer on NYT, and the central visual on both screens was -- the Confederate flag!
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That clinches it
Yesterday I saw Jeffrey Gundlach recommend “The Fourth Turning” 1997 by Howe&Strauss. So I started reading. They predicted OUR 4th turning to begin around 2005 and end by 2025.
I think we’re there..
“ a sudden spark will catalyze a crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation, and empire.......sometime before the year 2025 America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, the Civil War, and the twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.”
Are we supposed to pay serious attention to someone who writes "élites", as if the word weren't a perfectly good English word and its own right?
The teacher being allowed to die for not being concerned enough about a portrait of Mao reminded me of the diners not being allowed to eat if they wouldn't raise their fists for BLM.
The only thing traumatic about the Trump years was media hysteria.Until corona hit, by all measurable stats the USA was doing fantastically well.
the TV was on CNN and his computer on NYT, and the central visual on both screens was -- the Confederate flag!
There is nothing wrong with your television. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are now controlling the transmission. We control the horizontal and the vertical. We can deluge you with a thousand channels or expand one single image to crystal clarity and beyond. We can shape your vision to anything our imagination can conceive. For the next hour we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the deepest inner mind to the outer limits.
- Outer Limits
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
"...No, you thought you'd call someone a "moron" when you had not informed yourself..."?1/30/21, 6:31 AM
I'm trying to understand this thought emanating from your mind Althouse. Really? You're taking an author who is a true SJW ("moron") view for publishing such gibberish as a 'Fait Accompli'. Mishra is a long line of opinion 'Gnomes' - created by the 'Human Race'- throughout history. We used to call people like Mishra 'Snake Oil Salesmen' but now they are viewed as SJWs. Althouse all you need to do is read Mishra's 'Bland Fanatics" and you'll get his basic philosophy toward 'Anglo-Americans' and his delusional views of the World. Guess to Althouse that's to old fashioned. Ann, it's Mishra's opinion and your answer to "gilbar" assumes Mishra has creditability. Hell, maybe he's the 'Second Coming of Jesus Christ'?
"Trump failed to purge all the old élites, largely because he was forced to depend on them, and the Proud Boys never came close to matching the ferocity and reach of the Red Guards. Nevertheless, Trump’s most devoted followers, whether assaulting his opponents or bombarding the headquarters in Washington, D.C., took their society to the brink of civil war while their chairman openly delighted in chaos under heaven. Order appears to have been temporarily restored (in part by Big Tech, one of Trump’s enablers)."
There's so much bullshit propaganda in that quote that I won't reward and support more of it by reading the whole article.
Trump's "revolution" failed in part because he wasn't the authoritarian despot the left claimed him to be. If he had silenced his media critics and banished them in a gulag, and then authorized his own citizen army he might've had more of an impact on our "cultural revolution." But nowadays those tactics are only practiced by so-called liberals on the left. Shutting down Parler, threatening One America News and NewsMax, financing Antifa and BLM violence- VP Harris encouraged people to pay their bail-- these are trademarks of today's left.
What Trump succeeded at was exposing the corruption in all of our institutions. The so-called elite are desperate to hide it all away again before the truth of it reaches their base made up of the uninformed and misinformed. Thus the need to completely silence Trump, demonize his supporters, and push these bullshit articles that attempt to rewrite history.
Fuck these useful idiots. Thank you for exposing the propagandists, but please don't expect me to encourage them by following links to read them.
@ 10:42 am Yancey Ward said...
"they haven't been deputized yet, give them some time, the digital bloc committee, the turbas the colectivos, we know which way this is going"
This. Eventually, the Democrats will arm Antifa and BLM with police powers and weapons. There is an inevitibility to this progress of history I am afraid.
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Last May, when the leftinistas called for eliminating police departments in cities like Minneapolis, I had told people that I had discussed this topic with that the end result was to, at the very least, replace their PD with a politicized PD who police based on politically correctness as defined by the local rulers and not so much against crime (which has been happening anyway the past 2 decades) or even worse, a force similar to the Soviet Union’s NKVD/KGB whose job it was to keep the existing government in power and suppress dissent. Now that the Dems are in control and trying to quickly consolidate it by hook or by crook, I fear the end result will be the latter. When the crime of “Hooliganism” becomes law in this country, we will have arrived to that point in history...
Nice post Night Owl
Balfegor mostly nails it, but his opening remark about tying themselves in knots completely misses it: for these people, cognitive dissonance is a way of life, they have no trouble believing three impossible things before breakfast.
The lesson is that people entertain the illusions of utopia. A utopia they are in control of. A utopia where every one else has to be better but their own flawed self.
In that type of darkness lies premature death. Of which this author is an advocate IMO.
China though is a good example of all this.
Once again, if we on the right were half a violent as the left accuses us of being, they'd all be dead.
And, yet ....
I forgot the most distinctively cultural revolution-ish thing the woke mobs do these days! Tearing down or defacing statues! Has a close parallel to defacing gravestones and ancestral tombs, and digging up the corpses of Confucius's descendants to hang them while they looted the temple.
Many regimes look to efface old monuments and reminders of the past to shore up their own uncertain legitimacy -- the Qin first emperor did it; the Romans did it; the Soviets did it; even the San Francisco school board is doing it. And in the excess of joy upon liberation, sometimes mobs do it to particular symbols of their oppressors, whether it's tearing down statues of Lenin after the lifting of the communist yoke, or statues of Saddam Hussein after his regime was toppled.
But the vast, overpowering hatred of the past that seems to have animated the Red Guards has few parallels of which I am aware. But the current progressive mania for going out and actually tearing down statues -- of both abolitionists and slaveowners, rebels and fathers of the country -- echoes the madness of the Cultural Revolution.
tying themselves in knots completely misses it: for these people, cognitive dissonance is a way of life
Twilight faith (e.g. "penumbras and emanations", conflation of logical domains). Pro-Choice (i.e. selective, opportunistic, relativistic or "ethical") quasi-religion. Liberal (i.e. divergent) ideology. Mortal gods and goddesses to "evolve" their philosophy, authorize their belief, sanction their action, praise their virtue, and give secular incentives. The tell-tale hearts beat ever louder in sanctimonious relief. Many will convert, few will experience cognitive dissonance.
Antifa is going to seem like a minor inconvenience one Kerry gets his hooks into the emergency powers needed to combat the climate crisis.
We used to call people like Mishra 'Snake Oil Salesmen' but now they are viewed as SJWs
Go along to get along. Kneel where it is demanded. So much for classical standards of normalization, tolerance, and rejection. As someone described it: don't disturb the horses.
"Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"
Divine wisdom? Under God? The conservative philosophy: Declaration of Independence, The Constitution. Under other models? What do we enjoy at Caesar's pleasure? I think we got a taste of it with so-called cross-domain "cancel culture", government-sanctioned "protests" and collateral damage over a multi-trimester period and much longer, with a novel apology for self-defense, and a military build-up at the Capitol.
mockturtle said...
"We know that no one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end." O'Brien to Winston Smith, explaining why 'the greater good' is not the real reason for totalitarianism, though it is often touted.
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Then why do Presidents give up their power after two terms?
Why did George Washington turn down an offer to effectively become the new King?
George Washington didn't 'seize power'. In fact, he didn't really want the job of President.
"Nevertheless, Trump’s most devoted followers, whether assaulting his opponents or bombarding the headquarters in Washington, D.C.,"
This is a Gell-Mann moment for me, My experience is quire different. I personally saw the violent mobs assembled when candidate Trump rented the UIC arena in Chicago and was told it was unsafe for him to speak. Normal people were rightly scared to be there. And by the way, the Weather Underground was the group that "bombarded" the Capitol in March 1971.
Re: Josephbleau:
Is that really a Gell-Mann moment, though? I think a lot of journalists are aware of the left-wing campaign to assault Trump supporters at his rallies. I don't think it's ignorance -- they've just made a deliberate decision to downplay them as isolated incidents or provoked by the victims, rather than presenting them as a series of linked incidents of left-wing violence.
That said, it looks like Mishra is an Indian whose has spent his career largely in India and the UK. He may rely on a handful of mainstream national publications for his understanding of the country, and might thus genuinely be ignorant of leftist violence in America, the woke struggle sessions, etc.
Or he may just be a collaborator.
Mishra has it exactly backwards. True, Trump went after the swamp creatures and their cohorts whose only serious contribution to the country was an endless series of wars, but he was no Maoist. The real heir to Maoism is the cabal behind Biden and their sizable collection of radical leftists and street rioters As for Biden himself, he has no idea what he is doing, or even where he happens to be at any given time.
Women are such suckers for communism and
authoritarians. That's your problem.
Here's what I learned from the Cultural Revolution: when the mob comes for you, make it as expensive and painful and deadly as possible for every one of the sons of bitches that you can.
William said...
Crack has the irrational belief that mankind can be cured of its irrational beliefs. If you're human, forty to sixty percent of your Great Liberating Truths are rubbish. It should be noted, however, that some forms of rubbish are more damaging to the environment than others.....The rubbish that the right believes in is sufficiently pernicious, but if you want mass death and suffering, you can't beat the cant that the left uses to fire up its followers.
Rusty said...
"No. He is warning like minded individuals of his experience."
Thank you, Rusty. I do think we can put parameters on their nonsense, though. And it wouldn't be hard: Call them out - friend or foe - when they start blathering about "karma" or whatnot. If homeopathy is just water, ban it - that also bans the anti-science belief system with it. Ask Kamala Harris, in public, if she's a crooked cop or just stupid - for sleeping with Montel. Question Obama, too, on what he knew about Oprah's love of quackery and charlatans. This is low-hanging fruit, Folks. The right could totally wreck the left just by taking their NewAge proclivities as seriously as they do - and exposing them. NewAgers have found a way over the wall between church and state. We HAVE to beat them back to the other side, or we're lost.
I ain't the brightest guy that ever swung a pick, but I know this, Crack. If you shut up they win. And every single one of them are lying assholes. So keep swinging. Force them to defend their ideas.
Rusty said...
"Every single one of them are lying assholes."
Even I didn't grasp how far gone they are, to attack free speech on a national or international level, but I do now.
I regret going so easy on them now.
What Crack and Rusty said.
For myself, I've thought for a long time that the hypersaturation of our popular culture with the occult, spiritualism, irrationality, and crude spectacle (you know what I'm talking about?) is not a mere accident of history but part of a plan.
I'm using Crack's language from now on: The Newagers have found a way over the wall.
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Or under it
The column in The New Yorker is a book review by Pankaj Mishra of The World Turned Upside Down: A History of the Chinese Cultural Revolution by Yang Jisheng, published this month. Pankaj Mishra is an Indian writer. Yang Jisheng is a Chinese journalist.
The book looks interesting. The book review not so much. As several commenters have noted, Mishra's review was good until the end when he sees the risks of a similar "cultural revolution" in the U.S. as coming from the extremists on the right, led by Trump. In fact, the bigger risk is from the left.
A defining feature of the Chinese Cultural Revolution was the "struggle session." The title of Mishra's column in the print edition of The New Yorker is "Struggle Sessions." Peggy Noonan, a powerful never-Trumper voice in the editorial columns of the Wall Street Journal, wrote about this nearly two years ago: Get Ready for the Struggle Session. If that WSJ link is behind a paywall, you can find the column on her website here.
Peggy Noonan writes: "We have seen this spirit [of the struggle session] most famously on the campuses" and "The spirit of the struggle session is all over Twitter." Those are bastions of the left, not the right. And unlike when Ms. Noonan wrote that column, the left is in power now.
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