January 7, 2021

"Even if you believe — as David Bernstein states above — that the election didn’t turn on fraud, you should be concerned that so many people do."

"It’s important... that elections not only be free of fraud, but trusted by the vast majority, even among those who lose. We don’t have that, and the huge number of stories about potential election fraud that were running in mainstream media right up until election day indicates that if Trump had been declared the winner, Democrats would be running around screaming fraud. We need a system that is obviously trustworthy enough that the vast majority of people will trust it, and we certainly don’t have that. Other countries do."

Writes Glenn Reynolds, pointing to this post — also at Instapundit — by David Bernstein. 

From Bernstein's post: "There is no evidence of widespread fraud that could plausibly be said to have cost Trump the election, nor even a single state.... And all that is why Trump’s lawyers lost every single case they brought before judges of all parties and ideologies.... Even if you accept any of the not-completely-crazy theories I’ve seen of how the election was 'stolen,' at best that gets Trump to a narrow victory in the Electoral College. Yet the president continues to insist not just that he won, not just that the election was stolen, but that he won in a 'landslide.'... If the election process is a total fraud, then violence is to be expected. Even in the face of the violence yesterday, Trump, while telling the rioters to go home, also continued to insist that he really won in a landslide, thus continuing to foment violence."

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Readering said...

A little late for that Dr W.

Rt41Rebel said...

The left is completely tone deaf, completely unaware of the dynamite they are flicking matches at. They just go on making political hay out of the situation. After listening to Biden speak today, and my feeling pretty certain Pelosi will file articles of impeachment, there is no way there will be any semblance of an Inauguration ceremony in DC, Covid excused Zoom Inauguration. That will be the high water mark of the Biden Administration.

Readering said...

Don't forget, lots of folks here have been predicting continuously for many months that Biden will drop out at various points before the inauguration. Thanks for chiding them every time.

Big Mike said...

... plus a few (very few) Biden voters who know the election was stolen and are decent enough to be ashamed that it was stolen for their guy.

Shame is nothing Democrats ever feel at any time about anything they have ever done.

wendybar said...

There was fraud. In New Jersey where I live, we were FORCED to vote by mail. They set up a web site so you could check on your ballet. They received mine, (and many others) but never accepted. No reason why. This happened to MANY of my friends and family. Of course...we all voted for Trump. I have voted in EVERY election for over 40 years, and this is the first time I actually feel like my vote was tossed, and I am pissed off about it. Why bother voting when you can't trust the "counters". I am done. Let it burn.

wendybar said...

Daskol said "Trump and Trump supporters didn't kill our democracy. All they did was shine a light on how fucked up it is, and they remain our best hope for restoration of norms. That's their, our, unforgivable sin. Blaming the ugliness we see around us on the people forcing the nation to confront it is wrong, and I don't think it will work. Biden called me a domestic terrorism supporter today. He called a lot of people domestic terrorists, illegitimate, all kinds of names. Biden is inflaming the situation, even more than that weasel Pence did. Trump is indeed looking like a modern day George Danton, and the cowardly behavior of his supposed allies in recent weeks indicates a similar trajectory for him. They hate him because he fights."

Biden was calling the Tea Party patriots Terrorists. He called them barbarians at the gate. All for wanting smaller government and less taxes. He is an ass, and helped Saint Obama divide this country. It's only going to get worse...after the divisive speeches him and Kamala delivered yesterday.

jeremyabrams said...

They're trying to tell us the sun is the moon, the way Petruchio did to Katherine in The Taming of the Shrew: https://abardseyeview.com/i-say-it-is-the-moon-that-shines-so-bright-the-taming-of-the-shrew-and-election-fraud/

Mark said...

wendybar, your people now have the blood of a dead cop on your hands.

And you complain about mean words from Biden.

Nice try, but that doesn't wash the blood off your hands.

Rusty said...

Mark said...
"wendybar, your people now have the blood of a dead cop on your hands."
Nope. Portland, Minneapolis, Madison, Chicago, Kenosha, New York ,DC and countless other violence strewn towns and cities across America and you stood by without a peep of protest. In fact you cheered it on. This is a direct result of that. In fact everything that happens from here on out is a direct result of the violence you engendered for the last four years. You wanted a civil war. Well now, my son, you have one. Better start making nice with law enforcement.

wendybar said...

Hear, hear Rusty...They accuse but never take responsibility for the damage THEIR side does.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Bernstein is a liar, a moron, and a hack.

"There is no evidence of widespread fraud that could plausibly be said to have cost Trump the election, nor even a single state."

Wrong. The Fulton County video of people pulling ballots out of hidden boxes so they could run then through he vote counting machines, after first announcing that the place was closed and no more voting would be happening tonight, it clear evidence of fraud.

Given the margin in GA, the number of votes counted could plausibly be said to have stolen the State of GA from Trump.

So his statement is flat out wrong. And he knows it's wrong, which makes him a liar. And it such an obvious, easily disproved lie, that makes him a moron and a hack.

What he COUDL claim was "no one has submitted iron clad proof that the election was stolen." But if he said that, then he'd have to admit that the reason that hasn't been done is because the court systems have refused to do their jobs, and look into the allegations.

So, what an honest person could say is:

Sure, there's a ton of evidence of vote fraud. There's a ton of evidence of widespread cheating by the Democrats, sufficient to have stolen the election.

But the courts aren't willing to look into it, and the Establishment wants Trump gone, so you're just going to have to suck it up and get on with life.

To which the response is : FOAD
Burn it all down

Greg The Class Traitor said...

The "dead to me" list:

1: If you think that it is reasonable or appropriate to sweep allegations of widespread vote fraud under the rug, to not examine them, and to not refuse to allow someone to steal the presidency using vote fraud, you are dead to me

2: If you think that conservatives storming the Capitol are traitors, and that any Republican politician on their side should be driven out of office, but you had no problem with protesters invading the Senate about Kavanaugh, or with Antifa beating up people for saying things Antifa didn't like, or Antifa / BLM burning homes, businesses, courthouses, or if you think that Democrat politicians who supported / excuses Antifa / BLM violence (including by refusing to condemn it), then you are dead to me.

3: Joe Biden refused to explicitly condemn Antifa and BLM violence. Democrat governors, mayors, and prosecutors have refused to call out the national guard / police to stop left wing political violence, and refused to prosecute the left wing people caught committing that political violence.

If you're ok with that, but condemn what happened Wednesday, then you are dead to me. If you condemn Trump louder than you condemn those Democrats, you are dead to me

Because any of the about or hypocritical, amoral if not utter evil, lying sacks of garbage.

Oh, and if you think that using big tech to suppress people's voices, and using your new government power to go after those who won't bow down to your evil, is going to make things better?

Just wait

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Oh, and chief on the "dead to me list" is those people, like Jonah Goldberg, who insist this is all about Trump.

My vote was stolen

I have been disenfranchised by the Democrats stealing the election for Biden.

As have 75 million other people.

Why am I raging? Why am I fighting?

Because my vote was stolen

When one claims to be a conservative, or a Republican, but is perfectly hopping to see 75 million conservatives and republicans disenfranchised?

That person is my enemy.

No: undoing election theft, undoing vote fraud, does not disenfranchise the people who voted for the guy who stole it.

You have a right to vote. You have a right to have your vote counted. If you win, you have the right to win.

But if you lose? That's why we have elections. Suck it up, buttercup.

Losing suck. Having your vote stolen from you via vote fraud? That, is intolerable.

No, I don't care what it costs to stop the vote fraud. I will simply do everything in my power to make sure it costs more, no to stop it

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