December 20, 2020

"I grew up in the former Soviet Union and in a late, flaccid, totalitarian state, the idea that 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' was particularly obvious."

"For seventy years, the rhetoric of the Soviet state was always about happiness for all, a better future for all, equality for all—bullshit rhetoric that was like a paper bag thrown over a bomb. But apart from learning about how the genocidal state operates, you also learn instantly to recognize this idea, in whatever guise it comes at you, that someone else knows what you need to be 'happy,' and that this knowledge is certain and enforceable. You see it miles off. It emits a special stink even before you know it’s there.... When I was growing up in Ukraine, a line from Antoine de Saint-­Exupéry’s The Little Prince seemed to capture the ethics my family was teaching me without teaching it to me didactically: 'You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.' And if you can’t handle forever, then please don’t start. Just don’t.... The idea that doing something is always better than doing nothing is very dangerous, I think.... So much work and deliberation need to happen before you actually do anything that is ethically grounded and not fundamentally self-­serving."

Says Maria Tumarkin in "Unethical Reading and the Limits of Empathy" (Yale Review).

Here's Tumarkin's book — a collection of essays — "Axiomatic."

82 comments:

Unknown said...

A MESSAGE FROM EUROPE- GREECE- KEEP FIGHTING THE TRAITORS OFF YOUR COUNTRY
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-cruel-civil-war-in-united-states.html




The cruel civil war in the United States
evolves into ...World War !!!

The American People are struggling
in the name of Democracy and Freedom
as the last line of defence of the free world...

...If they lose,
nothing will stop the Zionists-Marxists
to literally set up a global dictatorship.

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-cruel-civil-war-in-united-states.html

David Begley said...

“The idea that doing something is always better than doing nothing is very dangerous, I think...”

This applies in spades to the Left and CAGW.

DEEBEE said...

Thanks Ann.

Fernandinande said...

bullshit rhetoric that was like horseshit thrown over a panda.

Michael P said...

"Better than nothing" is a high standard indeed.

Birkel said...

And those of us who have read the dissidents' writings from those evil regimes have known quite well what the Leftist Collectivists here have planned.

It is always the same, everywhere.

Anybody who gives an inch to the would-be totalitarians is a fool.

Joel Winter said...
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Joel Winter said...

We all think--at least to some significant capacity--that we know best. Why keep on going if not--or why keep on going if not to seek that?

It takes great wisdom, great humility, and great patience to even presume that what's best for me may not be best for you--or even that we might be wrong in how we're defining "best" or "good enough"--or even that anyone wants things "improved."

(Say I, very knowingly.... Ha!)

Fernandinande said...

So much work and deliberation need to happen before you actually do anything that is ethically grounded and not fundamentally self-­serving.

That sounds like something a commie would say: doing something for yourself is not "ethically grounded".

But is "ethically grounded" bullshit rhetoric for "ethical"?

Using "ethically grounded" is associated with "mindfulness".

rhhardin said...

Empathy has no limits when women vote. No more just around the house sympathy!

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Turns out the DEMOCRAT Elite are the SOVIETS SOVIETS SOVIETS.

Rusty said...

How do I know I'm being lied to? Somebody who's only job has been to get elected is telling me
something is a crisis when it clearly isn't. In other words, a con.

Paco Wové said...

"The idea that doing something is always better than doing nothing is very dangerous"

This fence has a closed gate. Surely it would be better if I opened it. What a virtuous person I am!

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Now the corrupt liar collective left are saying "We never said "De-fund the police" "

The lies from the Soviet left are as deep as that hole to China.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

The Tech Oligarchs remain tax-free - while the working man gets screwed. That's Soviet Democratic America.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Anybody who gives an inch to the would-be totalitarians is a fool.

I have been saying this about the fucking masks since day 1.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Empathy has no limits when women vote. No more just around the house sympathy!

Yeah, we know, and you're not wrong, but your day-in-day-out shtick gets tiresome when a dozen or more women who see the system for what it is [oh wait, every women ever born is incapable of seeing in systems; I forgot] are in this very forum every day pointing this crap out. Not to mention you never have anything to say about the men who perpetuate emotion-driven decisionmaking, and there are many.

Tommy Duncan said...

23 million Russians, 65 million Chinese and 1.3 million Cambodians were unavailable for comment.

Tommy Duncan said...

"...you also learn instantly to recognize this idea, in whatever guise it comes at you, that someone else knows what you need to be 'happy', and that this knowledge is certain and enforceable."

We will make you happy whether you like it or not.

Lurker21 said...

"For seventy years, the rhetoric of the Soviet state was always about happiness for all, a better future for all, equality for all—bullshit rhetoric that was like a paper bag thrown over a bomb. But apart from learning about how the genocidal state operates, you also learn instantly to recognize this idea, in whatever guise it comes at you, that someone else knows what you need to be 'happy,' and that this knowledge is certain and enforceable. You see it miles off. It emits a special stink even before you know it’s there ...

Apart from the overdone rhetoric, that is in a way applicable to Biden's Deep State America and to globalist ideology: we know what will make you happy and safe. It looks like she's trying to make a name for herself with a broader "Against Empathy" platform. But it's already been done. That was the title of a 2016 book that got some notice. Probing fine distinctions between "sympathy" and "empathy" isn't at all my strong point though. I get lost in all the little nuances writers bring forward.

Achilles said...

Good intentions like what this former Wisconsin judge describes?

“Because of the environment that has been created by the left that has intimidated lawyers so that they can’t be here. They’re not here, from the giant law firms, precisely because they were ordered by their management committees and others that, ‘You cannot take those cases. The reasons you cannot take those cases is because our clients, or the Democrat party, or the incoming administration will remember that and they will hold it against you.'”

He added, “As a former judge, I was so incensed by that.”

This comes as other lawyers representing the president and his campaign have revealed that they have been harassed or threatened following their decision to take up election cases.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Achilles - the Democrat Party is the corrupt soviet MOB.

Qwinn said...

I grew up in the formerly free United States of America, where communist totalitarians have infiltrated the levers of power and are making their move. And they have corrupted the only non violent means we had to remove them.

For America to be free again, these totalitarians will need to be stripped of their power, which I guarantee they won't give up without trying to kill us first.

So. War it is.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

The Soviet Union would very much like and appreciate today's mainstream democrat hack press... and the fact that all mainstream television is pro-democrat propaganda.

Wince said...

"Good intentions", really?

Or pretext?

Sebastian said...

"someone else knows what you need to be 'happy,'"

The essence of progressivism--that, plus the assumption that those who know deserve to lord it over the rest.

Humperdink said...

The lefties default plan when analyzing a problem, which never seems to change:

> "We must do something."

> "This is something."

> "Let do it!"

Qwinn said...

Oh, Stalin is in hell torturing his former media apparatchiks for being such utter amateurs at propaganda compared to NYT/WaPo/ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/MSNBC/Twitter/Facebook/Google, etc.

Collectively, they are the Amerikan Ministry of Information, now with rich COVID flavoring.

narciso said...

well orwell based the ministry of truth, on his time in the bbc world service, as well as certain experiences in spain, I imagine,

iowan2 said...

This brings to mind "The Giving Pledge" Brain storming result of Gates and Buffett coming up with the idea of the wealthy giving to charity 1/2 their wealth, every year.

The took the concept to the wealthy Germans, and they got shot down.
Here's what they said'

Germany’s Peter Kramer turned out to be one of the strongest critics of the Giving Pledge, saying it’s not the state that determines what is good for the people but rather the rich who want to decide. Some of Germany’s super-rich have rejected the “Giving Pledge” initiative, saying donations shouldn’t replace duties that would be better carried out by the state.
Sounds like leftist here who always want to be like the sophisticated Europeans, where the individual is subsumed by the experts in govt.

Birkel said...

No Leftist Collectivist comments on this thread, yet.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

Could be just experience of advanced age.
Could be increasing arrogation of powers by Government.

With passage of years, the stench becomes more noticed and offensive.

I blame the voters (which have now increased in number well beyond their actual existence).

mockturtle said...

It was obvious right away that this article didn't come from the NYT. She echoes the outraged pleas of my family friends and colleagues who came here from totalitarian states. And there is much support for our resistance from those around the world.

Biff said...

Compare:

"The idea that doing something is always better than doing nothing is very dangerous, I think.... So much work and deliberation need to happen before you actually do anything that is ethically grounded and not fundamentally self-­serving."

...with the social media ethos (famously Facebook's internal "prime directive" for years) of:

"Move fast and break things."

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

The idea that Soviet tyranny and State run totalitarianism - where the state punishes you if you do not submit - cannot happen again?

The democrat party is the mob. If you are not a loyal cheerleader, a corruption ignoring hivemind democrat - they will destroy you. It's happening now.

narciso said...

well in an ostensibly center right regime, like boris johnsons you see how the left has purchase on most institutions, except for the brexit push, there isn't much ostensible about it,

Joe Smith said...

Welcome to our new, democrat paradise.

The government knows all and provides all, even happiness...

rhhardin said...

you never have anything to say about the men who perpetuate emotion-driven decisionmaking, and there are many.

The men have a good reason. They're trying to get laid.

The Gipper Lives said...

Did you really think President Donald J. Trump would sell us out and hand the American presidency over to China's Poodle based on this transparent fraud? That he would let these gangsters bluff their way into power because China told all their boot-licking Establishment Whores to steal the landslide that the People gave to their President?

It's almost like you don't even know the man.

Status:

[ ] Rubicon not crossed.
[x] Rubicon crossed.

And I feel fine.

ps: The President doesn’t need Martial Law to protect himself from his 100 million Silent Majority supporters.

But Congress might.

Krumhorn said...

The lefties are unrelentingly nasty little shits walking in the door. When combined with Moral Clarity, there are no limits to the damage they are prepared to do.

- Krumhorn

mockturtle said...

you never have anything to say about the men who perpetuate emotion-driven decisionmaking, and there are many.

per rhhardin: The men have a good reason. They're trying to get laid.


Nonsense. Most men have become lazy and weak, preferring to let women run the show, absolving themselves from responsibility and decision making. An alpha male will always 'get laid' more reliably than a beta male. Of course, being bait for a Chinese spy might work for a while...

rhhardin said...

They don't have NOW meetings to attend anymore so the men do what they can to get babes.

tcrosse said...

BTW what's the matter with doing something that's fundamentally self-serving? Must everything we do be altruistic?

n.n said...
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n.n said...

Emotion, religion, and gaiety? #PrinciplesMatter

Eleanor said...

Unfortunately, most people think "The Little Prince" is a children's book.

RNB said...

Back before I retired, I referred to this sort of language as "management bullspeak."

William said...

The Bolsheviks would be remembered with far more affection in Russia if they had failed. It is paradoxical, but the only successful Marxist revolutionaries were the ones that failed. Allende, Che, Rosa Luxembourg, La Passionara these people are revered and honored precisely because they failed. If only Fanny Kaplan had shot a little more to the left and lower and killed Lenin and his revolution, then Lenin would be still be remembered favorably by all feeling people in Russia. Fanny Kaplan, on the other hand, was the wrong kind of failed revolutionary. She had the same kind of credentials as Rosa Luxembourg, but you only get martyr status if you're killed by reactionaries and not by fellow leftists.

mockturtle said...

It's easy to be magnanimous with other people's money. There is nothing altruistic about legislating generosity. It is a fact that people on the Right are more apt to be personally charitable than people on the Left.

narciso said...


I was introduced to fanya kaplan, in reilly ace of spades, then years later in europa central, which fleshes out her backstory,

https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/19/a-betrayal-of-american-freedom/

Michael K said...

Posts about the Soviet Union seem to act like garlic to vampires to the lefties here.

Even Cook is nowhere to be seen.

n.n said...
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n.n said...

There is a place for private finance and smoothing functions (e.g. capital, charity). A place for public finance and smoothing functions (e.g. taxes, welfare). The former is a place for equity and development. The latter is a germ of progressive corruption and should be carefully, warily administered.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Well worth a read - thank you narciso

n.n said...

Empathy has no limits when women vote. No more just around the house sympathy!

True, men and women are equal in rights and complementary in Nature. That said, individual dignity, intrinsic value, inordinate worth. Go forth and reconcile.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

WaPo prints cartoon straight from anti-semitic Nazi propaganda.

Rusty said...

"Even Cook is nowhere to be seen."

Consulting the oracles at Counter Punch no doubt.
The problem with progressives is that they see their interference as empathy and their government welfare as charity. Not fully understanding the meaning of either term.

0_0 said...

I have coworkers, one from Cuba and the other from Venezuelka.
Both are alarmed by the far left.

0_0 said...

The homeless problem in SF and elsewhere is worsening because of empathy, especially SF.
People think "oh, those unfortunate people I notice because they are in plain view. They need help!"
So they are given access to free food and housing, but many dislike the conditions required, especially for housing.
"Let's give them money!" well, now you are attracting more homeless from far outside our area. The number of homeless keeps going up. Is in spite of, or because of the idiotic empathy driven policies?

Michael K said...

Anyone who has ever dealt seriously with "the homeless" knows 60% are psychotic and 60 % are addicts. The psychotics and many of the addicts prefer the street and building "housing" like the SRO hotels in LA is a waste.

rhhardin said...

CATO4321. Catalog of the homeless
Crazy - 40%
Addicts - 30%
Tramps - 20%
Out of luck - 10%

You can help the out of luck; the tramps like being outdoors, the addicts don't want to quit, and the crazy can't be helped in any case.

Hyphenated American said...

As a man who was born, raised and educated in the USSR.....
I say - Ditto.... this description makes sense.
There is a reason why so many Americans who survived communism don’t vote for the DNC....

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Got 5 minutes?

Everyone should watch this.
The idea that there is no evidence of vote fraud? - make up your own mind.

Just Nevada.

mockturtle said...

Right. The homeless who really do need help can and will get it. The ones begging on the street with their cardboard signs are just professional panhandlers.

mockturtle said...

BidenFamilyTaxPayer, etc...Interesting video. I sent it to my friend who lives in Las Vegas for her comments.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Big Brother Google-Youtube will probably take it down soon.

Josephbleau said...

"The idea that doing something is always better than doing nothing is very dangerous, I think.... “

In a long career that included various crisis management situations, doing anything is not better than doing nothing, but it makes you feel better at the time.

Baffled in Buffalo said...

Does anyone have anything to say about the very first, transparently Naziistic, comment?

Kai Akker said...

Iris Murdoch. The very first exchange of the Yale Review article with the two women goes straight to Iris Murdoch's well-known example of how categories can shift. Categories -- that may not be the right word. I am no philosopher! But the example of the MIL who decides she might be unfair to the DIL, in thinking poorly of her -- the best part of that is the recognition that she is part of the dynamic and her "reading" of the DIL's cheesy (to MIL) habits and behaviors ALSO keeps the cycle going. Change the thought, change the dynamic, improve the relationship. Happens gradually over time, with an assist from mindfulness.

Undoubtedly has its limits but it is supposedly one of Murdoch's contributions to philosophy, in some way.

Dunno bout that, but I DO know -- having just read The Italian Girl a week or two ago -- that Iris Murdoch writes compulsively readable novels. I remember having a lot of fun with her books when I was in my 20s; then never went back to them. So they must have their limits. The Italian Girl is not a fun story; most of the characters are wholly or in part unsympathetic; but Murdoch makes those scenes come alive. It's a quick short book, and I think her other novels of the '50s and '60s are a bit better regarded, but my point is, she writes living stuff.

Michael K said...

In a long career that included various crisis management situations, doing anything is not better than doing nothing, but it makes you feel better at the time.

There is an old saying in ICU, "Don't just do something ! Stand there."

The Vault Dweller said...

Blogger Baffled in Buffalo said...
Does anyone have anything to say about the very first, transparently Naziistic, comment?


The best course of action is to do nothing. Whoever posted that isn't looking for support, they are looking for engagement. And people decrying what was said would give that person engagement they desire. By not even acknowledging the comment it makes it most likely that, that person won't make a similar comment in the future. I only make this point because I feel like it is on topic for this thread. This is a current example where it is better to do nothing than to do something.

mockturtle said...

Vault Dweller: I agree. Don't feed the trolls!.

ccscientist said...

Read an article by a guy living in San Fran who had a landscaping business. Every time he encountered a homeless person he offered them a job and gave his card. He said: "just show up, I have work". Out of over 100 cards he gave out precisely zero ever showed up. Interestingly, homeless families tend to be homeless only for a very brief time. They have motivation to get off the street I guess.
I am sick of nanny-staters who want to protect us from our own foolishness. Life is foolishness and we should be left alone. Let people smoke, ride a motorcycle without a helmet, etc. If someone wants to be obese, go for it. It will kill you but it is none of my business.
Being happy is hard work. It is scary to be responsible for your own fortune or misfortune. Thus the promise of the communists to take care of everything along with their appeal to envy is very seductive.
It was noted above that "just do something" isn't always good. Let's clarify that: it is entirely likely that government efforts to fix a problem will make it worse or cause another problem elsewhere. The efforts to "help" the homeless in san fran have made it worse, much worse. The "great society" welfare programs destroyed the black family and created gangs (boys without fathers need a gang, even if they are elephants). My reference to elephants is about cases in Africa where the adult males had been killed for their tusks. The groups of young males without an adult leader were going around killing rhinos for kicks.

Rosalyn C. said...

I found the conversation between Maria Tumarkin and Namwali Serpell interesting for a while to observe their "academicized" point of view. They use a special vocabulary where nouns are turned into verbs and adjectives and the objective is to toss up as many ideas as possible as proof of ones mental prowess. They do entertain themselves and go on and on and on but once in a while say something interesting. I found most interesting their idea that thinking and talking about ethics and morality, without resorting to any reference to Biblical or Judea-Christian norms or having to actually do anything, is a way of proving they are moral people.

This sort of academic based ethics is producing proposals on who should get the Covid vaccines first, like the one I read the other day coming from Harald Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, who suggested to not immediately vaccinate elderly white people. He said. “Older populations are whiter ...Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.” Marc Lipsitch, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Harvard's School of Public Health, argued that teachers should not be included as essential workers if a central goal of the committee is to reduce health inequities. They are very often white and are not among the most mistreated of workers. A third expert, an economist named Elise Gould, argued against that saying that teachers should be prioritized because the families they teach are disproportionately black and brown, and those groups would benefit more than white people.

Academics who are "experts on ethics" scare me.

ken in tx said...

The only logical reason to seek political power is to abuse it. As Obama said, to reward our friends and punish our enemies. If you only seek to use your office to follow the law fairly and treat everyone equally, well, that's like Jury Duty. Nobody really seeks that, and they are glad when it is over. They don't sign up for another tour of duty and try to make a career of it. Don't trust any politician who promises to make you happy at the expense of someone else. Your turn in the enemy column will come.

The Godfather said...

Someone way upthread said "Did you really think President Donald J. Trump would sell us out and hand the American presidency over to China's Poodle based on this transparent fraud?" This is the absolutely wrong attitude. It's "the man on horseback" approach to politics: The Great Man will Save US! It led to Mussolini and later to Hitler. Trump will not save us. We have to save ourselves. If we live in Georgia, we need to vote next month for the two Republican Senate candidates (you know the old Democrats' joke: "Vote early and vote often!" I'm not saying that). We have to demand that our Congresspersons and Senators vote against legislation and appointees that would undermine our liberties and impair our economy -- and we need to lean HARD on Democrats in swing States/Districts to join in. We need to make our opinions known to our uncommitted friends and neighbors (does anyone read letters to the editor anymore?), who maybe voted for Biden because they mistakenly thought he was a moderate. Be part of the fight, not just a cheering section.

doctrev said...

The Godfather said...
Be part of the fight, not just a cheering section.

12/20/20, 10:05 PM

Letters to the editor and voting would be effective tools- in the 1960's. Of course now we know that the Biden campaign cares more about corporate dollars and complete Internet control than they do about useless votes. If you really want people to join a fight... well, careful what you wish for. At this point, President Trump is the only thing holding the mob back.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Ah and the temptation to “do something” even counter-productive somethings in the age of COVID us so damn strong. Irresistible to so many drunk on power governors.

mockturtle said...

Godfather is right: We can't hitch our wagons to a lone star but rather build strong grass roots organizations geared to fight this onslaught. That's the hard part because freedom-loving folk are, like cats, hard to corral. ;-)

Lewis said...

I don't know if anyone has already said this (it's very difficult to read to many posts) but Saint-Exupery is, for some odd reason of temperant, very 'essential' to mittle Europa. Indeed, I sent my son, who's Czech, his writings about his air mail flights over Africa (no one ever found his body).
And, indeed, people wonder why the Visograd 'people' are so contrary - they smell bs from a thousand tanks away!

Lewis said...

I have a copy of 'Maly Princ' by Antoine with all the pictures etc from the Mother of my kid - in some argument or other we cross swords - I sent her some Auden crap and she, touche, sent me the maly princ (maly means young)!

Lewis said...

I took revenge this year (she's in hospital) by sending her fully illustrated, with plates,Songs of Innosence And Experience and the Mariage of Heaven and Hell - stuff that in your pipe and smoke it!