December 17, 2020

I don't think we'd watched a movie all year — not any nondocumentary — but then we watched a movie 2 nights in a row.

The first movie was something that I'd seen a few times, had not watched in decades, but wanted to watch to show it to Meade, who had never seen it. It's something that's especially fun to watch another person experience for the first time. I was reminded of it when we happened upon an interview with the star, who was quite charming talking about it.

The second was a recent movie that was prominently displayed on Netflix. I clicked it on because it was based on a book that I'd read and liked, dealt with a subject I care a lot about, and had 2 male stars that sometimes do their thing to great effect. We watched the whole thing, and only then did I check the reviews. Turns out it's considered a bomb. It's based on a true story, and I'd like to see a list of the deviations from the book, which tried for historical accuracy. The book has much more detail about the subject I care about, and the movie has — I think — tweaked things to make the women more important and to disrespect the actual subject by swapping in what they seem to find more crowd-pleasing — love.

142 comments:

Ice Nine said...

Yeah, I loved those two movies too and agree with you about both of them. Now, what were they again?

Michael K said...

The worst example of feminist pandering I've seen is the ending of "Robin Hood" where Kate Blanchett capers around wearing armor and pretending to fight. Other than that, it was a good movie.

Joe Smith said...

@AA

"I clicked it on..."

I clicked ON IT...

Clicked on it could work but is not quite right.

Rocky Horror?

No idea about number two, but I'm surprised the men weren't replaced with women (and lesbians, at that) for the film.

My wife cares about how many stars a movie gets. I don't care, and have seen some decent movies recently that didn't get great reviews.

tcrosse said...

Lemme guess. The first is The Return of the Secaucus 7, right?

Patrick said...

Ann seems like the type to make someone suffer through My dinner With Andre

Joe Smith said...

New guess for number one.

'The Usual Suspects.'

Wince said...

Admit it, what really made the movie especially fun to watch another person experience for the first time were the quarters inserted in the "Magic Fingers" vibrating bed.

mccullough said...

Thelma and Louise?

Kate said...

"Zardoz" for the first movie.

Karen of Texas said...

Well Rocky Horror Picture Show is zip unless you experience the audience participation so that's out.

I couldn't hazard a guess but, I've enjoyed watching the reactions from people who watch The Prestige.

Menahem Globus said...
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Rob said...

So what did Meade think about "Last Tango in Paris"? (Which, btw, is a great film.)

Ann Althouse said...

"I clicked ON IT..."

Yeah, I though about that, but decided against it. I was watching on a smart TV and hitting "enter" when something on the screen is already lit up just doesn't feel like clicking *on* it.

fleg9bo said...

The first one just has to be Freebie and the Bean.

Joe Smith said...

"Yeah, I though about that...'

I kind of figured you did...like I said, six of one...

It's more about how it sounds when you say it.

bagoh20 said...

I'm gonna guess the first one was Two Girls One Cup I've never seen it, but I've seen videos of people reacting to seeing it. They seem.... intrigued.

The Netflix one, of course, has to be The Professor and the Madman.

tcrosse said...

Ann seems like the type to make someone suffer through My dinner With Andre

Meade does not seem like the type to be made to suffer through My Dinner with Andre.

Crimso said...

Second one: The Professor and the Madman. Haven't seen the movie, so I can't say whether this guess meets the Althouse description, but I don't recall that there was much in the way of love in the book.

Narr said...

No idea about either flick. I guess I'll just be on tenterhooks all day . . .

My wife and I haven't watched a movie together in many years, or much of anything else besides House Hunters International (first world only). She never misses a movie, show, or interview with Sam Huge-one, the Scots star of "Outlander." She and her worldwideweb of matrons and spinsters have YUGE wide-ons for the guy.

Narr
Sad!

BudBrown said...

I try to get people to watch Dr. Zhivago for that first time aha thrill, but so far
no takers.

mikeski said...

The first movie was something that I'd seen a few times, had not watched in decades, but wanted to watch to show it to Meade, who had never seen it. It's something that's especially fun to watch another person experience for the first time.

So obvious. You might as well have just said Caddyshack.

Eleanor said...

I met Jodi Picoult when I chaperoned some kids on a field trip. The kids were all excited about her book "The Pact", but they didn't like what happened to the book when it became a movie. The story is about two teenagers who make a suicide pact. She goes through with it, but at the last minute he backs out. He's charged with her death. Picoult did a nice job of explaining to the kids what happens to a book when it becomes a movie. In this case there were three perspectives- the kids, their mothers, and the lawyer trying the case. Depending on who she sold the rights to, the screenwriter would be likely to choose one perspective to frontline. While the teens she was talking to would have liked the kids to be front and canter, she sold the rights to a producer who turned it into a Lifetime movie so the story was centered on the mothers.

BudBrown said...

So what is Hillbilly Elegy suppose to be about?

wild chicken said...

Zardoz" for the first movie.


OMG that was one weird flick.

I liked it.

James K said...

So what is Hillbilly Elegy suppose to be about?

Apparently white privilege, so it is said. As with Tara Westover's "Educated," there is no hurdle too large that being white can't overcome it, whereas it is impossible for any non-white to accomplish anything without handouts.

Rosalyn C. said...

I watched two movies the other day too. Somehow I had somehow gotten to watch an interview with Kate McKinnon, the very funny SNL actress, who spoke about how she was very close friends with Mila Kunis. So I watched the film they did together called, "The Spy Who Dumped Me," (on Amazon.) It was a funny comedy/action film. The great chemistry they have as friends came across in the film. After that I watched "A Simple Favor" which was a bit darker in tone and which dealt with a friendship between two very different women and some interesting plot twists; terrific performances by Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick. Both films were fun to watch.

Ann Althouse said...

Crimso got it — the second movie.

First one has fewer clues, so no one has got it yet.

I'll say it was big in the 1980s.

Ann Althouse said...

big in the 1980s and really fun to watch someone else watch.

thrilling, but Meade laughed a lot and, perhaps partly because of his laughing, I felt, much more than I did years ago, that it was silly

tim maguire said...

Joe Smith said...
@AA

"I clicked it on..."

I clicked ON IT...

Clicked on it could work but is not quite right.


I was resisting the urge to be a pedant over a detail that really bugs me, but Joe broke the ice:

...had 2 male stars that sometimes do their thing...

People who...
Things that...

Dave Begley said...

I liked "Wild Mountain Thyme" with Emily Blount on the big screen. Now showing and streaming on AMZN.

daskol said...

The Fly?

Wilbur said...

"big in the 1980s and really fun to watch someone else watch."

Ummm ... Best Little Whorehouse in Texas? Spaceballs?

I wasted 15 minutes of my life on both of them.

narciso said...

oh yes I saw both of those Rosalyn, I think it was on Epix, snowden is briefly referenced on the spy one, kendrick isn't the same nice girl she is in others,

narciso said...

the Fletch reboot with jon hamm, isn't out yet, and he doesn't have the same self deprecating humor as chevy chase,

mikee said...

Watched TCM last night, catching most of Vertigo and all of Marnie. Tried to start The Trouble with Harry but nodded off. Hadn't seen Vertigo since I was a child; I recall being terrified by the vertigo stairwell scenes and the nightmares. My wife gave up on Marnie, saying her disinterest in both characters grew larger the more she watched.

But before she quit, we figured out the Mother apparently lived on Federal Hill in Baltimore, at the time of the movie an enclave of poorer white people, just the sort of place a former hooker would end up in retirement after incarceration, as long as her daughter paid for it. God, how I still hate Baltimore, and it has been 20+ years since I left.

Caddyshack would have been a better waste of our evening.

Freeman Hunt said...

And here we watch one movie pretty much every night but didn't the last two nights on account of work.

Robert Cook said...

"Ann seems like the type to make someone suffer through My dinner With Andre"

"Suffer?" That was a great movie!

narciso said...

I saw those films. when they had those two weeks of free cable, along with pennyworth, the alt history batman prequel, and war of the worlds,

FullMoon said...

Showgirls was '90's, so I go with The Shining.

Mary said...

First movie: Blue Velvet? I think that would be fun to watch again

Tank said...

@ Mary

Good guess.

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Caroline said...

If I understand correctly, movie 2 contained an added love twist that wasn’t in the book? I’m curious about that because one of the reasons— the many, many reasons— I don’t like current content is the total absence of love and marriage as happy plot resolutions. It’s as though that violates the fundamental tenet of disordered feminism— autonomy. The new feminist moment in film is agitprop for the view that domesticity is beneath contempt, and that you’re a nobody unless you marry career, and nourish your randy urges with oodles of meaningless, tiresomely acrobatic sex. Of course the notion that women come equipped with randy urges instead of a need for emotional attachment is another big fat feminist lie. Relationships are no longer worthy life goals, according to Netflix etal.
The other thing I can’t stand is the diversity agitprop, a forced, contrived cavalcade of interracial hookups, gay saints, incompetent white guys, and casting black for high society Victorian era historical dramas.
One thing this trend has done, it’s got me reading more.

effinayright said...

"I'll say it was big in the 1980s."
**************

I'm going with "The Big Chill".

Readering said...

Charming star, silly movie? I guess Splash or Big or Back to the Future.

Narr said...

Caroline, reading more is always a good thing.

I haven't even seen most of the movie guesses made so far; I watched enough of The Spy Who Dumped Me (my wife watched, for Sam Huge-one of course) to realize it wasn't aimed at old white guys, and would have missed me anyway.

I've seen Zardoz (+), Little Whorehouse (-), The Big Chill (=), The Shining (-) and read The Professor and the Madman (+)

Narr
Truth is more interesting than fiction anyway


Moneyrunner said...

We recently signed up for Netflix for one movie: The Death of Stalin" which is right up there with Casablanca for entertainment. It's funny, horrifying, brutal and historically true to life.

Dan said...

National Lampoons Christmas Vacation?

tcrosse said...

Truth is more interesting than fiction anyway

That's because fiction has to make sense.

Ann Althouse said...

"The Fly?"

Excellent guess. I love "The Fly" (the 80s Fly). But that was not it, and Meade saw it back in the 80s.

Ann Althouse said...

As for "My Dinner with Andre," that's my favorite movie. Obviously, Meade hasn't been with me for 11 years without seeing the movie. That wouldn't be something that after 11 years I'd just be "Oh? You never saw that?"

Ann Althouse said...

"The Death of Stalin"

I have that on my wishlist

Kevin said...

"The Death of Stalin"

I have that on my wishlist


So did a lot of people.

ALP said...

I generally do not like movies. They seem so...thin in comparison to 8+ hours of story in something like "Better Call Saul". I can't nibble on entertainment - I must gorge.

Having said that - has anyone seen the Russian Sci-Fi movie "Sputnik"? I do like the idea of more scifi stories from Russia. Will it be worth taking a few hours away from Korean dramas?

ALP said...

Caroline:

"Relationships are no longer worthy life goals, according to Netflix etal."

Then you must try Korean drama - a Nexflix rabbit hole. I do not care for the romance genre, being more of a crime/thriller/sci-fi fan myself. But the way they do relationships in South Korean entertainment is a breath of fresh air. You MIGHT see the couple kiss at the end, after 16 episodes, but there is much ruminating, staring into each others eyes, analyzing the other person, wondering if they can be trusted, working on goals together - and many stories of love span years. Very different, very refreshing. We were sick of shows throwing copulation into our faces before we even had a chance to care about the characters.

The Crack Emcee said...

"I don't think we'd watched a movie all year — not any nondocumentary..."

We'd probably get along better than most think.

Ann Althouse said...

I'm reading all the comments. You still haven't guessed Movie #1. I have to go work on various chores. I'll be back.

Caroline said...

@ALP -- funny you should mention! My Mom is all about the Korean dramas...I started one, and haven't finished...but this reminds me to get back to it. You're absolutely right. A couple of years ago Mom and I discovered Turkish serial dramas -- starting with Seyit ve Sura, which was outstanding...don't think it's available anymore on Netflix. Same deal. The Turkish dramas presuppose that marriage and family is the most important life decision a human being can make. Winter Sun, Intersection, Black Love Money, you might check these out!

JZ said...

Ugh. I will try one more time to watch "My Dinner with Andre."

ALP said...

Caroline: thanks for the tips on more entertainment - I will check those out.

Readering said...

Congrats Bagoh20, inspired guess on 2.

Now, thrilling/silly, AA twice, Meade never....

Readering said...

Something Wild?

Ann Althouse said...

"Now, thrilling/silly, AA twice, Meade never...."

More than twice.

Ann Althouse said...

I'd seen it at least 3 times (before this most recent time).

daskol said...

Tom Cruise has a lot of big 80s movies and has been speaking recently in the news, although not at all charmingly. I'm stumped.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Blade Runner, one of my favourites. I've never seen it as all that silly--for me it teeters on the edge--but I have watched it with others who laugh repeatedly. The fortune-cookie pieces of wisdom in the midst of all the mayhem ....

I've watched it probably five or six times--three of them when it was fairly new.

Kai Akker said...

---Hadn't seen Vertigo since I was a child; I recall being terrified by the vertigo stairwell scenes and the nightmares. [mikee]

Incredible soundtrack, which works so well I only noticed it on later viewings. Bernard Herrmann. Overwhelmingly effective, to me, but he didn't even get an Oscar nomination. The movie did get nominations for art direction, deserved, and sound (not music). It's not that germane to the plot, but I love the scene where she looks over the rings of the sequoia and the events going back to 1066 and (I think) Jesus of Nazareth's birth. Such haunting feelings evoked throughout.

WA-mom said...

"Groundhog Day" is my guess.

Joe Smith said...

"the Fletch reboot with jon hamm, isn't out yet, and he doesn't have the same self deprecating humor as chevy chase,..."

Don't let the dour, angst-ridden Don Draper schtick fool you, Hamm has said he loves doing comedy. Check out some old SNL stuff...he can be very funny.

Joe Smith said...

@Wa-mom

Good one.

I will add 'Die Hard.'

Readering said...

Turning into walk down memory lane.

Starman?

Bob Boyd said...

Brazil?

Freeman Hunt said...

Dangerous Liaisons is one that was big in the 80's that made us laugh uproariously. But there is no way Althouse wanted to show that to Meade!

There are too many possibilities for Movie 1 to make a guess. I am, however, having fun thinking of all the movies it couldn't possibly be.

MayBee said...

Dead Calm?
Body Double?
Dead Ringers?

Eva said...

The Princess Bride?

MayBee said...

Body Heat?

MayBee said...

We recently watched "I'm Your Woman" on Amazon Prime, and it was worth watching.

Readering said...

Lucky to see DL on stage with Alan Rickman. A travesty he did not get screen part. Now, the casting of Uma Thurman ....

Patrick said...

Shot in the dark, but I'll go with Weekend at Bernie's for movie #1

BudBrown said...

Flashdance

Kchiker said...
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Patrick said...

Romancing the Stone!

Jim at said...
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Kai Akker said...

First movie: Peggy Sue Got Married.

FWBuff said...

I'm going to guess "Working Girl" with Melanie Griffith, Harrison Ford, Sigourney Weaver, Alec Baldwin, and Joan Cusack. I recently re-watched this on Netflix, and was reminded how funny it is.

daskol said...

Raiders of the Lost Ark

Patrick said...

Nope I've got it. It's either Witness or Fatal Attraction.

narciso said...

the Right Stuff, that's on Disney Plus, and it's more of a series,

Caroline said...

You guys have nailed the best 80s movies. I’m betting on Fatal Attraction, but my “out there” pick was Brazil.

Joe Smith said...

80s movies were pretty good : )

Ken B said...

I liked the professor and the madman, but only one actor was really good. Good book too.

JaimeRoberto said...

Mel Gibson and Sean Penn. Now that's an odd couple.

Kai Akker said...

Eva might have it with The Princess Bride. Not a movie I ever saw, so maybe Meade had same masculine "avoid" reaction.

Narr said...

Death of Stalin, for sure. It plays with the facts but the spirit shines through, and the acting is superb. Once I got the tone it was very funny, and I catch more good things with each watching.

It helped me that I could recognize many of the incidents from histories, and memoirs like Khrushchev's and Svetlana's.

Narr
+1 to tcrosse and Kevin

Jake said...

The Breakfast Club. Rick Moranis was fired from that film because he kept trying to play the janitor as a Russian. (Or so I read on the Internet) I hope the guy that randomly jacked him in NY not too long ago gets whatever the max prison sentence is.

Joe Smith said...

"Rick Moranis was fired from that film because he kept trying to play the janitor as a Russian."

Why not? He'd already worked out the accent:

https://youtu.be/oHjaAu1GTZU

Ann Althouse said...

I gave you a huge sledgehammer clue.

At 12:59.

I thought you'd have the answer by 1 o'clock!

Duke Dan said...

Field of Dreams. And of course Meade got all teared up at the end. It’s the one movie guys are allowed to do that.

Duke Dan said...

Just missed the Althouse comment about the clue. How could he have never seen that movie? I’ll leave the mystery a bit longer.

tcrosse said...

Hasta la vista, baby.

Ice Nine said...
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Rick.T. said...

TERMINATOR

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Terminator, obviously. I was holding out for This is Spinal Tap, frankly.

Indigo Red said...

1984 Terminator

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

I should add that we watched Terminator last week, too, otherwise I wouldn't have guessed. Like Duke Dan, I can't see how Meade avoided it so long.

Kai Akker said...

Oh, Heaven Can Wait.

But it's 1978.

Kai Akker said...

I see there is another answer, LOL.

Joe Smith said...

"I gave you a huge sledgehammer clue."

Not the right accent...

It's 'I'll be bock.'

: )

Freeman Hunt said...

"I gave you a huge sledgehammer clue."

Ha! Meade, you hadn't seen that?!

FleetUSA said...

The Money Pit

Ann Althouse said...

LOL

I made him watch it as soon as I found out.

Readering said...

I didn't get the clue because i never saw it because it seemed too dumb. But figured most sports loving guys had and did not figure a gal watched it multiple times. Guess i'll have to give it a cooped-up try. Maybe a double feature with dances with wolves, another Costner film that had no appeal to me. I thought he was best in the big chill.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Re: The Death of Stalin: I liked it very much, gore and all, but I have never seen a pianist who looked less like Mariya Yudina. (The actual anecdote behind that episode, though, is well-attested, as is the fact that the one-of-a-kind record thus produced was, in fact, on Stalin's turntable when he died. I have often wondered what happened to it.)

I can't imagine the actual Yudina refusing to record, then relenting when the pay went up, either.

Tomcc said...

Meade! And you call yourself an American?

WhoKnew said...

The only movie I've ever shown people just to see their reaction is the original "The In-Laws" with Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. Still the funniest movie ever made. I've never seen "The Terminator", sounded like a waste of time when it came out and still does. I could be wrong about that. For ten years I've been meaning to watch all of True Lies. I saw the last 1/3? on TV once and thought 'any movie where they nuke Key West and it's NOT the climax of the movie has to be good'. Someday I hope to find out if I was right.

eddie willers said...

I've been meaning to watch all of True Lies.

Jamie Leigh Curtis' dance is enough.

Kate said...

The most moving sex scene in all of filmdom. It is, surprisingly, a chick flick.

Jon Craver said...

Amadeus

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

I have never seen True Lies, but for me the best sex scenes I've ever seen are those between Tom Makepeace and Claire what's-her-name in the UK version of House of Cards. I mean that they convey naked desire and don't attempt to mess about with anything "artistic." That both characters are lying connivers has nothing to do with it.

rcocean said...

We watched the Star wars movie in January, but otherwise I haven't seen a single new movie this year. Don't miss going to the movies at all.

Hunter said...

Ha, that 12:59 comment fit so naturally, no one realized it WAS a clue. I sure didn't until you said so.

The Terminator has come up in conversation with my wife, and she's never seen it or its brilliant sequel. I think we'll watch it tonight.

rcocean said...

airplane and Top secret were two funny movies of the 80s. So, was Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. One of steve Martin rare, very funny, movies. Its probably funny because of John Candy.

rcocean said...

Who knew arnold was such a freak. Did he ever marry that Mexican maid he had six kids with? he really put the weird in Hollyweirdo.

narciso said...

You mean urquart don't you,

TML said...

Ann, can you link to the interview you mentioned? There are quite a few of them. Did you mean Arnold or Linda Hamilton?

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

narciso,

If that was to me, no, I didn't mean Francis Urquhart; I mean Tom Makepeace. I don't think Claire whoozawhatsy ever beds down with FU.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

I'll be back.

Terminator?

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

oh I see - not the first one.

"I'll be back" was a good clue. I like clues like that.

Anonymous said...

Oh. Was that why Meade was in the doghouse? I hate watching movies with a woman. They're always turning to look at you and nodding their head. They always nod their head. Geez, let me just watch the movie.

When I was young, that was the price you had to pay. Frickin' nodding head women.

Ann Althouse said...

'” Ann, can you link to the interview you mentioned? There are quite a few of them. Did you mean Arnold or Linda Hamilton?”

Arnold.

TMZ, I think. Long. Not sure how old.

Can’t pinpoint it. Was on TV somewhere.

I just found him charming.

Readering said...

Wait, it was Terminator? Which i have seen so many times. So propulsive. How had Meade not seen it? Living in LA, I enjoyed spotting the locations where it and sequels were filmed. Credit Arnold for being offered the doomed romantic lead and picking instead the repeatable cyborg. How much money did he make from that decison?

Good, now I can skip Field of Dreams once more.

Wince said...

Road House?

BudBrown said...

Tron?

Skippy Tisdale said...

How about "Little Shop of Horror"?

Fun story:

I used to do movie night every Monday at a homeless youth drop-in center here in Minneapolis. When I'd get there, I would be immediately asked what the movie would be. One Monday when I got there, I was first approached by a group of girls who asked what the movie was. I told them "Little Shop of Horrors." Their response was, "Whores? That's just nasty!" So I replied no, Hor-rors and they all said, "Oh!" and laughed. A bit later a group of boys asked me the same thing and when I told them "Little Shop of Horrors" they all went, "Alright!"

They all got into the movie when they saw the back-up singers who they recognized from I think, "In Living Color".

Big Mike said...

I think “The Running Man” was the first time Ahnold uttered that line.

Big Mike said...

Three cheers for DuckDuckGo! First time Schwarzenegger uttered the line was “Commando.” The line is overshadowed by other clever lines in the movie:

To a guy he’s dangling over a cliff
“Remember when I said I’ll kill you last?”

(Desperately). “Yes!”

“I lied.”

Moments later Rae Dawn Chong asks what he did with the guy.

“I let him go.”

Rusty said...

'Alien" or "The name of the Rose"
You're going to need a bigger hammer, Althouse.

PM said...

Maybe went Swayze: Roadhouse or (sniff) Ghost.

LakeLevel said...

"Harold and Maude"


"The Invisible Man"

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Bill Burr: Arnold Schwarzenegger will always be a great man

Readering said...

After the lucky guy snagged a Kennedy.

Ann Althouse said...

"I think “The Running Man” was the first time Ahnold uttered that line."

"The Running Man" came out 3 years after "The Terminator."