... this is sarcasm. I got there via Ed Driscoll at Instapundit who doesn't seem to be reading Mick's tweet as humor, but come on.I’m so looking forward to coming back to an America free of harsh words and name calling and be amongst people who I know have common ground and harmony. It’s a challenge but it can be done!
— Mick Jagger (@MickJagger) November 7, 2020
November 10, 2020
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Hmmph. England barely has more MacDonald's® than Brazil.
Trump "Sleepy Joe"
kathy griffinthifith - "severed bloody head of Trump"
We know who the real meany is. Trump!
Death is easy. Sarcasm is hard.
"Sarcasm?" Come on yourself. This is obviously a genuine sentiment by a guy who is *well-known* to be a Trump hater.
I suppose it depends who wrote it. If Mick wrote it, there is a high chance it is sarcasm. If it was written by his communication director or whomever is in charge of his Twitter account, it is probably serious.
Sarcasm only works when you have a proper frame of reference. When you cannot hear the tone of the voice and you cannot be sure who is actually talking, unless some other clues are provided trying to determine the intention is simply guessing.
Twitter is really bad at sarcasm. This is not surprising as Twitter is really bad at everything.
Mick and his mates are good at pilfering riffs.
Here's a new song Bruh
The Criminal Choot Pollworkers Blues
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1604959396840.webm
Hat tip to the troll who sent me there!
Stay there...we don't need anymore single mothers bringing kids into the world without their father present.
♫ You can't always get
the jo-oke. ♫
Why do I care?
Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of wealth and taste.
Sarcastic?? Really?? Nope, just another Progressive who is better than everyone else..You sure are gullible when it comes to real Trump hate, vs Sarcasm.....
https://news.yahoo.com/mick-jagger-blasts-trump-bad-manners-lies-environment-134726328.html
And then there is this, from somebody named Mick that obviously has no clue it is the left who is burning it all down....https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/mick-jagger-has-broken-his-silence-on-politics-to-slam-the-us-president-for-tearing-apart-america/news-story/113fcc4a1eadccfd2f227fd660ff1381
As he cozies up to the Clintons who really HAVE corrupted America.
The British wit is dry, very dry. Like Muscadet. This is meant for humor no doubt.
Could he be addressing the divisive racist, Michelle Obama?
“Let’s remember that tens of millions of people voted for the status quo, even when it meant supporting lies, hate, chaos, and division. We’ve got a lot of work to do to reach out to these folks in the years ahead and connect with them on what unites us."
Our troubles are just a lot of noise to them. A pain the in ass. Won't we please settle down and talk nice. Can't you see how uncomfortable foreigners are about it.
Etcetera.
... and the time is right for fighting with the tweets, boy...
I would think it sarcasm if we were not living in the age of "that's not funny", but we are, so I doubt it. Most people on both sides would think this is for real, but for entirely different reasons. We can't even understand our own language anymore in a way where we both hear the same message with even a simple statement like this. Who made that happen? Who changed all the rules?
As I've said, change is the only consistent value on the left, along with of course, "winning", which I also value, but when you win by changing the rules unilateral you have a pretty good leg up on the competition.
Something just recently returned this blog to a better condition that is infinitely more enjoyable to experience and participate in. Is there nothing that Joe Biden can't fix?
Yeah... we should really listen to the poncey boys who left bodies in their wake for over a half century.
I can see the sarcasm. I'll just say he is welcome to come back and perform with a mask on and 25% occupancy of whatever venue the Stones play.
I just read the George Stephanopoulis wants to take over Alex Trebek's job.
I immediately wondered how they could give it to anyone other than Wolf Blitzer.
All your TeeVee will be democratical.
My perception of sarcasm has nothing to do with how strongly Mick may dislike Trump. I think he's very smart and would not believe that getting rid of Trump would render "America free of harsh words and name calling," full of "common ground and harmony." Americans are likely to remain approximately the same bumptious jerks we've always been.
I don’t care if it is sarcasm.
The corporate fascists that dominate the public square are making it so.
Completely off topic but, Happy Birthday to all you Marines out there!
You are 100% right in your interpretation.
Sorry, you are the only one reading it that way. Google the tweet and you get over two million results of media celebrating how Jagger and others are celebrating Biden's "win". This tweet is in line with his tweets about climate change and mulitple news reports of the Rolling Stones threatening Trump for using their music at campaign events.
I have a strong opinion about this issue. Never, ever, EVER have I thought to myself "I am going to take my cues on how to act and live from the POTUS." Who does this? I don't buy the idea that is how people decide to conduct themselves, not for an instant. It is a bullshit myth invented by the media. Thus Ann is correct - the same bumptious jerks.
Was Mick reticent when Bumptious Barry led his bootlicking leader and other 'non bumbtious' countries in Coup Coup Plots and ethnic cleansing?
http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2011/10/ethnic-cleansing-of-blackskinned-people.html
There is a reason Zeppelin has sold 45 more million records.
Hypocrites. The Stones are always rocking on about the joys of Dionysian excess, but when an American President comes along who lives a life of Dionysian excess, they're all thin lipped Anglican churchmen.....The Stones know how to work it. They boffed more underage girls than Woody Allen, Charlie Chaplin, Errol Flynn and all the stars on Hollywood Boulevard put together, and they never got cancelled for it. But let them say one word favorable to Republicans, they'll be in Bill Cosby territory.
Mick can take his sarcasm and his Trump hate and join these animals.
The problem is that they are only mad about the acrimony because we are starting to treat them like they have been treating us for decades. We have been trying to be nice and decent.
They have been shitheads the whole time.
Now they are openly trying to destroy our elections and people are in denial because they don’t want to have to fight for their convictions.
You either fight now or submit to these animals.
Real sentiments plus drugs or senility can look a lot like sarcasm.
Jagger truly doesn't like Trump. He's tweeted meanly about him, threatened to sue him for using his song, and he's releasing a record critical of him (kind of late, huh?)
Messed up guy. His first wife became some kind of commissar in Nicaragua. His second (unofficial) wife is married to Rupert Murdoch. And his third (also unofficial) committed suicide.
I want to agree with you, but I can't because of how most of the Left currently discusses culture and politics. If their team wins, it means democracy and decency have won. If their team loses, it means the dark forces of hate, indecency and Nazism have won. America is deplorable and irredeemable if Trump wins.
The country itself is on the ballot.
The soul of the nation!
Don't let Putin hijack and destroy our democracy!
That is what will happen if one of the two major political parties win the election!
Supposedly serious leaders on the Democratic side, including Michelle Obama, expressed utter mystification that 70 million plus Americans could vote for the forces of hate and dishonesty. While claiming to call for unity and peace, they strangely call everyone on the other side horrible, no-good liars.
>>Ann Althouse said...
My perception of sarcasm has nothing to do with how strongly Mick may dislike Trump.<<
There is a maxim in medicine: "When you hear hoofbeats, don't look for zebras."
It is useful in the interpretation of Trump-hater statements as well.
I suspect it is earnest. He made a point to diss Mitt Romney in one of his tunes on SNL. I used to think him intelligent enough to float above the fray but he's just another out of it old guy...
In yet another razor-thin election decided by tens of thousands of voters in a small handful of states, the whipsaw reactions about the country itself depending on the outcome are indeed truly insane. Isn't it enough to say that we have huge constituencies on either side of the political divide, and that the people on one side are no better or worse than the people on the other side?
You may think you know how your friends, family and neighbors vote, but do you really? I find it helpful sometimes to imagine that one of my favorite people voted for the other guy, and conversely that one of the biggest assholes I know voted for my guy. And I'm sure it's actually true. It helps me to realize that although our options are shitty and the political rhetoric is often over the top, elections are messy affairs and the voters themselves are messy. Given how the Senate and House are shaping up, and the closeness of the presidential vote, there is no mandate to do anything.
Fine by me.
I agree with Althouse's reading and clarification. I work with folks in the UK daily. Sarcasm is a common form of humor with them, and they have a low opinion of US internal discourse. I think she is spot on that Jagger is taking a piss with the comments of "America free of harsh words". If you think leftist elites in America are smug assholes, then you haven't worked with British elites to get a proper scale.
I should also note how silly it is to claim Althouse is wrong because the American left is embracing Jagger's comments as complementary to them. If you, like me, hold those people in low regard, particularly in the ability to self-realize how they behave, then retain your beliefs and weigh that on how they would treat sarcasm like this. Of course, they embrace it.
BTW Mick is a few years older than Trump, one year younger than Biden.
agree. not sarcasm.
Antifa could burn down your biznis - and it's Trump's fault.
The problem is that they are only mad about the acrimony because we are starting to treat them like they have been treating us for decades. We have been trying to be nice and decent.
Okay, Michelle Obama! Partisans are dicks to each other. When I see one side cry about how "nice" and "civil" we have been are and how "when they go low we go high," I wonder what sin I committed in a prior life to spend this one in the seventh ring of nonstop bullshit.
A rolling stone may not gather moss, but it does gather 14-year-old groupies : )
Ed Driscoll is dumber than a sack of hammers. The piece he flogged yesterday was devoted to the proposition that Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page was once -- wait for it -- a consumer of illegal mood-enhancing substances.
I could see it, except for that last line "It's a challenge but it can be done." If the first sentence is sarcasm, how are you supposed to read that? I suppose you could take it, that he is sarcastically mocking someone more optimistic than himself, and both lines are to be taken as that foolishly optimistic person happily celebrating America's newfound lack of acrimony.
I guess the question is, is he actually planning to visit?
Never cross your core.
Mick's Van Jones w/o the...the...the...TEARS!
Sarcasm is wasted on the humorless and overly serious.
The complaint about Americans from the British that has been around forever is that we are: loud, crass, and impolite. In that context this tweet from Mick Jagger may only be read one way, as sarcasm. He hopes that we will now return to a state of being that he believes never existed.
Too easy.
Didn’t know Mick Jagger was on Twitter
Re The Healing (sounds like a horror movie and given that all the calls for "healing" come from the "liberal" Hive--the stupidest and worst people on the planet--probably is), the pro-freedom blogger Neo-Neocon has this interesting thing to say:
Person A mistreats Person B. Instead of apologizing, Person A demands that Person B
forget about it and “move on.” To illustrate his/her own magnanimity, Person A says,
“I’m such a big person that I’ve moved on, so why can’t you?”
Of course. It makes sense that perpetrators who believe themselves victorious would be
willing and even eager to “move on” and then to pat themselves on the back for doing so.
In this case it’s even worse, because one form the mistreatment by Person A took was to
refuse to heal or compromise or do anything but declare total war on Person B for four
long years, setting out to utterly destroy him. So it is almost funny, if it weren’t so
outrageous, that Person A is now holding out the hand of “healing” to Person B because
Person A believes that victory has come at last and Person B is destroyed.
Amen.
They used to connect British pop stars of the Sixties and Seventies with earlier traditions of dandyism and camp. I can see saying something in that spirit that is at once seriously meant and ironic. One thinks certain things are true and even feels them, but one is aware that everyone is wearing a mask and slipping into poses and repeating things that they hear around them all the time, and every true and affirmative statement slides into cliche and self-parody sooner or later.
Scrolling through his Twitter feed I don't see a bit of sarcasm or humor. It reads like a corporate account, very straight and promotional.
So, not sarcastic.
Hopefully Biden can punish the people of Brittan for voting for Brexit.
That's Joe's job, right?
Right after Joe opens to door to all illegal entrants.
But somehow - the clinton-Pelosi-Hunter nexus of international grift must be restored!
"mulitple news reports of the Rolling Stones threatening Trump for using their music at campaign events."
Please tell me that Trump responded: "You can't always get what you waaant..."
Maybe Mick can tell us about raping Mackenzie Phillips--telling her that he had been thinking of doing that since she was 10.
Darrell said...
Maybe Mick can tell us about raping Mackenzie Phillips--telling her that he had been thinking of doing that since she was 10.
11/10/20, 11:36 AM
Yeah, that was quite the story, that the media still doesn't talk about. I wonder why THAT is???
AM
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
My perception of sarcasm has nothing to do with how strongly Mick may dislike Trump. I think he's very smart and would not believe that getting rid of Trump would render "America free of harsh words and name calling," full of "common ground and harmony." Americans are likely to remain approximately the same bumptious jerks we've always been.
A: Nope. B: That’s yer European scorn and contempt to a huge part of their audience and the colonies in general.
“ I could see it, except for that last line "It's a challenge but it can be done."” In simple sarcasm - it means it can't be done! Which is true! It can't.
We can jail every Democrat involved in the greatest vote fraud in history.
It's a challenge but it can be done
OK, so if it turns out that Mick was not being sarcastic, that indeed he was complimenting his fellow progs on restoring peace and harmony under prog rule, just like progs everywhere read the election, all while alluding just every so slightly to a few harsh words that some deplorables might still utter as they stand athwart history--if that turns out to be the case, would Althouse change her mind, and change her mind about being able to read others?
The era of "that's not funny" hasn't ended yet.
Ah, restoring 'peace and harmony'? Would that be the 'peace and harmony' of the graveyard?
Mr. Old Brit Dude can just bugger off. The left wants to unite behind punishing the 70 million or so that voted for DJT, with never a discouraging word uttered in public. It is time to Let the Joker Go Wild (thanks Sarah Hoyt).
Americans are likely to remain approximately the same bumptious jerks we've always been.
Perhaps in your neck of the woods. #DiversityBreedsAdversity #HateLovesAbortion #PrinciplesMatter
Paint it fuchsia.
I love Mick and the Stones. However, if any college snowflake, Incel, cancel-culture leftist ever actually listens to, or better yet, reads the lyrics to Brown Sugar, it may not go so well......
Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
Sold in the market down in New Orleans
Scarred old slaver knows he's doing alright
Hear him whip the women just around midnight
[Chorus]
Brown sugar, how come you taste so good? Uh huh
Brown sugar, just like a young girl should, uh huh, oh (Woo)
Drums beating, cold English blood runs hot
Lady of the house wonderin' when it's gonna stop
House boy knows that he's doing alright
You shoulda heard 'em just around midnight
[Chorus]
Brown sugar, how come you taste so good now?
Brown sugar, just like a young girl should now (Yeah)
You need a new tag, #UnityBullshit
If it is sarcasm, it is definitely well done by Jagger. Considering all the criticism leveled at Trump for using Jagger's music, though, I suspect Jagger was being sincere.
The HEALING begins.
https://www.trumpaccountability.net/?fbclid=IwAR36RAOr-z7dcJuZDwejNQEORxTQa_7FKDPJy6KwgqlFvYpJagnOiAxH9dU
Ed Driscoll is the primary reason I haven’t read Instapundit in years. A complete idiot who mucks around in the lives of serious public people until he finds what he thinks is Class Hypocrisy (Pete Seeger went to Harvard!) or human weakness (Nietzsche died of syphilis!). If Glenn offered a feed that was stripped of Ed Driscoll I might still read it.
I’m so looking forward to coming back to an America free of harsh words and name calling
Especially if he mostly visits New York City, then this is hilarious. Or Jersey, even better.
Jagger doesn't realize it, but he's a lying dogfaced pony soldier. He'll find out all about harsh words from lady drill sergeant Kamala Harris. She'll straighten that skinny little peckerwood out most rikky tikky--and soon!
I think the ‘so’ is the first tell that he is being sarcastic.
Ann Althouse said...
“ I could see it, except for that last line "It's a challenge but it can be done."” In simple sarcasm - it means it can't be done! Which is true! It can't.
11/10/20, 11:49 AM
You don't see Conservatives out there beating up people with Biden flags and hats...nor do you see us burning down cities because we didn't get our way. SOME of us HAVE been doing it...Others...not so much..and then they lie and blame others whilst doing it.
Sarcasm, my ass. These idiots seem to think that all will be sweetness and light without Trump. THINK AGAIN, SUCKERS!!!!
"...who doesn't seem to be reading Mick's tweet as humor, but come on."
Don't you know that the expression is ".. come on, man!"?
It's a thing now.
He's a prancer, not a comedian. It was serious, so yea, he's not all that smart.
Somebody on the right would say it as sarcasm, but he's the left, and they take this shit very seriously.
"I’m so looking forward to coming back to an America free of harsh words and name calling and be amongst people who I know have common ground and harmony."
This part is pure sarcasm, since Jagger is obviously smart enough to know that the opposite is true.
"It’s a challenge but it can be done!"
I read this as an imitation of Trump's style. This is what makes it a brilliant comment: It makes fun of Trump but in service to leftist hypocrisy. Mick is teasing both sides here.
Ah, the Stones. A musician friend of mine calls them (to be precise, used to call them) "the worst rock band in the world."
Personally, I like a lot of their older stuff but I would never call myself a major fan.
For all their posturing as roughnecks they were mostly middle- and upper-class boys from families of much higher status than the Liverpudlians, which of course required that they posture as bad boys, and live to the hilt the rocknroll lifestyle that most guys can't even dream of.
NTTAWWT. They took as much of the good things as the could get, and get away with. If they dicked a lot of teens, well, the teens were eager to be dicked. If they got away with a lot of drug use, well, so did a lot of people I know, many of them quite successful.
I can say the same thing about horny young musicians and would-be rock stars as I told my friend on the phone last night about politicians: I have no respect for a man who enters the field without eager anticipation of more and better sex.
I guess I'd say of Mick and the guys that IMO it's no small thing to have written a handful of great songs.
Narr
As a Certified Master of Sarcasm and Drollery, I recuse myself from the sarcasm question
I read it that way too.
I really don't care what Mick Jagger thinks; I want to know what LeBron James thinks!
That's how you do sarcasm.
" Ah, the Stones. A musician friend of mine calls them (to be precise, used to call them) "the worst rock band in the world."
As I have oft mentioned I grew up in the 80s swamp.
And our rock station WWDC DC 101(yes i remember the day Stern was fired)had some show everyday that's canned intro proclaimed 'the greatest rock band in the world' in reference to the stones ..then they would play 3 cuts.
I was always offended
in my Mind
Bonham had more groove
than whole lot the of stones.
Aye they do have a dozen or so great tunes but Zeppelin 1-6 are perfection.
And here is a riff on 2:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/525330-pompeo-on-election-results-there-will-be-a-smooth-transition-to-a
Second Term!
It is the springtime of my loving
The second season I am to know
Led Zeppelin - The Rain Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I8BZK1bJs
I vote sarcasm, if there was a poll
this is sarcasm. I got there via Ed Driscoll at Instapundit who doesn't seem to be reading Mick's tweet as humor, but come on.
As Mick Jagger has a track record of putting down Trump and other Republicans, I very much doubt the example you gave is sarcasm. Sept 2019: Mick Jagger blasts Trump for bad manners, lies, environment. THAT is sarcasm? No way.
Consider his song from circa 2005, Sweet Neo Con:
You call yourself a Christian
I think that you're a hypocrite
You say you are a patriot
I think that you're a crock of shit
And listen now, the gasoline
I drink it every day
But it's getting very pricey
And who is going to pay
[Chorus]
How come you're so wrong
My sweet neo con.... Yeah
[Verse 2]
It's liberty for all
Because democracy's our style
Unless you are against us
Then it's prison without trial
But one thing that is certain
Life is good at Haliburton
If you're really so astute
You should invest at Brown & Root.... Yeah
[Chorus]
How come you're so wrong
My sweet neo con
If you turn out right
I'll eat my hat tonight
[Verse 3]
It's getting very scary
Yes, I'm frightened out of my wits
There's bombers in my bedroom
Yeah and it's giving me the shits
We must have lots more bases
To protect us from our foes
Who needs these foolish friendships
We're going it alone
[Chorus]
How come you're so wrong
My sweet neo con
Where's the money gone
In the Pentagon
[Outro]
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah[x2]
Neo con
That ain't sarcasm. Mick is dead serious.
Notwithstanding Mick's dead serious tone, People's Cube had a humorous take on Mick's Sweet Neo Con.People's Cub: (2005): Neocons Imprison Mick Jagger Without Trial.
Mick Jagger isn't the only Brit rock star to put down Republican Presidents. Paul McCartney made this crack during his visit to the Obama White House: “After the last eight years,” he quipped, “it’s great to have a president who knows what a library is.” Considering that Mrs. Bush has worked as a school librarian, Sir Paul McCartney's remark shows what an ignorant , nasty boor he is. Rather like Mick.
It seems clearly sarcastic to me, in an understated British sort of way.
The Stones have a treasure trove of good stuff, pre-'73... Beggars Banquet thru Exile on Main Street is hard to top. The Stones - from1968 thru 1972 - defined cool in rock, IMO.
But from '73's Goat's Head Soup on - excepting Some Girls - just a few decent songs.
Zep's habit of taking old blues standards, putting their brand on 'em and then claiming songwriting credit was pure horseschiff.
"Zep's habit of taking old blues standards, putting their brand on 'em and then claiming songwriting credit was pure horseschiff."
Yes
but really ALL Rock N Roll
is white boys playing the blues
....sans swing.
..but zep swung ;p
Scarred old slaver knows he's doing alright
Was it here at Althouse? Wasn't there an extensive discussion concerning "Sky Dog slaver", and it's reference to Duane "Sky Dog" Allman.
I read this as an imitation of Trump's style. This is what makes it a brilliant comment: It makes fun of Trump but in service to leftist hypocrisy. Mick is teasing both sides here.
Zactly.
When it comes to politics, Jagger’s anything but naive:
“The Rolling Stones frontman Mick Jagger has shared his views on Britain’s upcoming EU referendum, saying that while he doesn’t hold a strong stance on the topic, he can see leaving the European Union to be “beneficial” to the UK in the long term.
And:
“Last May, the Conservatives’ political adviser Jim Messina claimed that Mick Jagger correctly predicted the results of the UK general election. Writing in Politico Magazine, Messina claimed that Jagger foresaw the Tories’ surprising majority win. “One of the savviest political observers I’ve come across is Mick Jagger,” Messina said. “I was invited to a dinner that included the legendary rocker in London before the British election (I took about 9,000 selfies), when I discovered that Mick has been a bit of a political junkie his whole life.”
Dylan and the Beatles used to play games with interviewers. The interviewers were either sincere fans or earnestly wanted to understand the youth revolution and its music, and Dylan or Lennon would give facetious answers with a straight face.
Jagger is completely serious about hating Trump (and Bush and Reagan). He's said so often enough (though he never gets very far into saying why), but he's not above working a joke in, I guess.
Britons may believe Americans are loud and rude, but who are they kidding? Lower class Brits can't help being loud and rude. Upper class Brits work hard at it and even make a career out of it. Those in the middle may be shy and reticent, but so are plenty of middle class Americans.
Jagger's not joking.
Jagger can hate Trump
and Americans
Last line is sarcastic
TDS lowers IQ 30 points
Jagger is too smart too say that with a straight-face. UNLESS...he thinks that will be of some benefit to him.
its said that we're still talking about Jagger. He's an 80 y/o rock and roller and hasn't had a real hit in 50 years. The last time an 18 y/o cared about the Rolling Stones was 1975. Black people don't care about Jazz. And young people don't care about 60s Rock. Its for the old folks home.
Nobody i knew in 1984, cared what the Big Band leaders thought about Reagan v. Mondale. But in 2020 we all care what 60s and 70s Rock and rollers think. Is that a good thing? Is it because the boomers have a death grip on the culture, or that nothing better has come along? Discuss.
Hmm. This is a tricky one for several reasons. (1) Poe's law suggests that without a smiling or winking emoji, sarcasm or parody will always be taken by some people as sincere. (2) Mick is a Brit, and as we are reminded over and over, British humor makes frequent use of sarcasm and irony that Americans "don't get." (3) Mick told Jann Wenner in an interview: "[O]utside of [New York City and Los Angeles] we found it the most repressive society, very prejudiced in every way. There was still segregation. And the attitudes were fantastically old-fashioned. Americans shocked me by their behavior and their narrow-mindedness." (4) Mick has been vocally anti-Trump (5) Mick is 77 years old and has a 32-year-old ballerina girlfriend and a 3-year-old son. I figure this one could work for either side.
Verdict: Poe's law is right. It's impossible to tell. But my guess is he's being sincere.
"[O]utside of [New York City and Los Angeles] we found it the most repressive society, very prejudiced in every way. There was still segregation. And the attitudes were fantastically old-fashioned. Americans shocked me by their behavior and their narrow-mindedness."
Oh God, sounds like a typical stupid, snobby, middle-class Englishman. Full of professed love for the "blacks" and the "other" and contempt for Americans and the lower classes. IOW, a pretentious wanker. Quite a genius, for a man who sings songs and looks like a underfed monkey.
The thing about the English is after being involved in the slave trade for 250 years, and establishing slavery in North America and the Caribbean, they suddenly "got religion" in 1833 and abolished slavery. Of course, as typical with the English their morality always lined up with their pocket book, and they didn't get rid of Slavery until it stopped making them much Money.
Of course, ever since then, they've had "Love of the Black Man" as their key moral virtue. Unlike those nasty Americans. After almost 200 years of this, they've gone crazy on the subject. Not only importing a race problem, but now "Racism" will have a Bobby coming to your door and "making inquiries". I honestly think most of the Brits would love if 20 million blacks would move there, just so they could virtue signal some more.
But then England has always been full of pretentious windbags and hypocrites. Full of cant, and coveting Gold while they talk of God.
Some Girls by Mick & the Stones:
Some girls give me money, some girls buy me clothes
Some girls give me jewelry, that I never thought I'd own
Some girls give me diamonds, some girls, heart attacks
Some girls I give all my bread to, I don't ever want it back
Some girls give me jewelry, others buy me clothes
Some girls give me children, I never asked them for
So give me all your money, give me all your gold
I'll buy you a house in Baker Street, and give you half of what I own
Some girls take my money, some girls take my clothes
Some girls get the shirt off my back, and leave me with a lethal dose
French girls they want Cartier, Italian girls want cars
American girls want everything in the world you can possibly imagine
English girls they're so prissy, I can't stand them on the telephone
Sometimes I take the receiver off the hook, I don't want them to ever call at all
White girls they're pretty funny, sometimes they drive me mad
Black girls just wanna get fucked all night, I just don't have that much jam
Where was #Metoo & BLM in the 70s?
"[O]utside of [New York City and Los Angeles] we found it the most repressive society, very prejudiced in every way. There was still segregation.
The Rolling Stones toured America before passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Blacks still relied on The Negro Travelers’ Green Book to direct them to friendly accommodations. Mick Jagger’s comments about American racism of that era are, sadly, unremarkable.
rcocean said...
Nobody i knew in 1984, cared what the Big Band leaders thought about Reagan v. Mondale. But in 2020 we all care what 60s and 70s Rock and rollers think. Is that a good thing? Is it because the boomers have a death grip on the culture, or that nothing better has come along? Discuss."
Spot on.
rcocean said...
The thing about the English is after being involved in the slave trade for 250 years, and establishing slavery in North America and the Caribbean, they suddenly "got religion" in 1833 and abolished slavery. Of course, as typical with the English their morality always lined up with their pocket book, and they didn't get rid of Slavery until it stopped making them much Money."
Well they forgot all about that when they colonized a large part of Africa, India and other parts of the world.
@Earnest Prole:
Mick Jagger’s comments about American racism of that era are, sadly, unremarkable.
His comments were not about "American racism," they were about Americans. Certainly race and segregation colored that opinion, but his criticism was mostly that Americans (outside LA and NYC) are provincial. It's not an uncommon opinion among the British. Or among Americans living in big cities like LA and NYC.
Is it because the boomers have a death grip on the culture, or that nothing better has come along? Discuss.
Nothing better has come along in the last 20 years. A few 80s/90s acts still attract attention, but they are mostly late boomers or very early x-ers. The 60s youthquake apparently left a lasting mark that nothing that's come along since has matched.
About Mick: don't discount the possibility that he's become one of those bizarre, vague, disconnected old rocker types that Bill Nighy plays in the movies. It may be hard to have a conversation with him on his bad days.
Mick is a humorist, specializing in sarcasm. Dylan is a poet, Springsteen is too though of lesser quality. Zappa was prescient. In this little ditty he talks about video (TV) but he might as well be referring to the Press, Facebook, Twitter, and Google.
I Am the Slime
I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set
You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
That's right, folks
Don't touch that dial
Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor
I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go
I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor
I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go
Also from Zappa--
All that we got here is American made,
It's a little but cheesy but it's nicely displayed.
Narr
Sanberdino
I think you're right, AA. He's having a chuckle watching the morons on TV parse that as a serious statement.
Only the network bobbleheads, their political minders, and the other Lefty minions think that America is a harsh or divided nation. Everyone I meet in my daily rounds, all strangers, are perfectly nice, polite, friendly, and helpful. Sometimes even funny. But I don't live in New York or DC.
America still works, and it's a nice place to live.
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