November 29, 2020
"A Donald Trump supporter who donated $2.5m to help expose and prosecute claims of fraud in the presidential election wants his money back after what he says are 'disappointing results.'"
"Fredric Eshelman, a businessman from North Carolina, said he gave the money to True the Vote, a pro-Trump 'election ethics' group in Texas that promised to file lawsuits in seven swing states as part of its push to 'investigate, litigate, and expose suspected illegal balloting and fraud in the 2020 general election.' But according to a lawsuit Eshelman filed this week in Houston.... True the Vote dropped its legal actions and discontinued its Validate the Vote 2020 campaign, then refused to return his calls when he demanded an explanation."
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A fool and his money are soon parted.
Haha grifters gotta grift.
So even True The Vote was controlled opposition. Nothing along those lines surprises me anymore.
Nothing matters anymore. We are a low trust society.
Period.
Heads global elites win tails we lose.
Just imagine if all political donations came with a money-back guarantee!
He should have given the money towards recounting more counties in Wisconsin.
I remember True the Vote. They were the organization that just purely by chance saw a huge spate of investigations by various ostensibly-independent state entities, yes? The FBI, the ATF, OSHA. That was in 2013.
Even worse: he thought his contribution would be tax deductible.
so says the guardian, which was holding a wake for fakrizedeh yesterday
"I remember True the Vote. They were the organization that just purely by chance saw a huge spate of investigations by various ostensibly-independent state entities, yes? The FBI, the ATF, OSHA. That was in 2013."
Don't forget the IRS slow walking their 5013C application.
Organizations can metastasize with money & power, but they seemed true to the cause of fair elections.
Trump : Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.
Flounder : [crying] That's easy for you to say!
If he spent the money before the election trying to steal the election for Trump, then he might have gotten something for his investment
"they seemed true to the cause of fair elections"
I have little doubt they originally were. Then the full weight of Obama's wingman came down on them in 2013. They were forced to accept infiltration, got hollowed out, and now leftists wear it like a skinsuit, demanding respect.
It's an unbeatable tactic when used against an opponent that refuses to acknowledge it. Why wouldn't they use it every chance they get?
For that kind of money, he should have hired lawyers.
I'll bet he could get Hunter Biden for half that.
He should have given the money to Quinn. He’s got more irrefutable evidence of massive fraud than anyone else I know. Imagine what he would uncover with 2.5 million? That Martians were using their secret Martian techniques to switch millions of votes in the blink of an eye?
Writing checks is not enough.
We need superior election fraud attorneys.
Are there any?
anyone else having major issues with blogger-google?
rwnutjob,
Yes, it was the 501(c)3 application that started it all off, of course. Then multiple visits by the FBI, a couple ATF audits, an OSHA inspection and an inspection by the Texas state equivalent of OSHA, and of course at least one IRS audit, plus multiple rounds of questions surrounding the 501(c)3.
What for? By all accounts they were an ordinary small tool-and-die manufacturing company, up to date on their paperwork and as close to complete compliance with Federal regs as any small business ever gets. (OSHA found, e.g., that they had seatbelts on their forklifts, but not the stipulated kind.)
No, Steve. Everyone has the same amount of irrefutable evidence that I do. The only ones refuting it are those who refuse to look at it because their contempt for Trump supporters is total, and those who have looked at it and know fraud happened but they lie about it because they want it to succeed because their contempt for Trump supporters is total.
Conned by a grifter,,how unusual is that! Keep sending it in R's your autocrat needs cash to pay his upcoming court charges in SDNY. Losing Bigly everywhere. DECEMBER 14TH the end, but hey keep trying trump needs the $$$$.
I would have thought that the federalist society trump appointed judges would have the courage to do the right thing. Body snatchers perhaps?
Qwinn said...
So even True The Vote was controlled opposition. Nothing along those lines surprises me anymore.
You gotta be kidding.
Go look up what the Obama administration did to them. hint: Lois Lerner
This is one side of the story.
Didn’t the Trump-affiliated Voter Integrity Project complete their entire work for less, with complete transparency and may refund any surplus?
Believe the evidence they developed can flip states and has been delivered to FBI.
No coverage for you!
Think of it as a more expensive version of Trump University: You learn an important lesson but not the one you thought you were paying for.
unlike thousand currents where 12.5 of the take, went to the dnc, through act blue and the tides foundation,
he has seen the so called lincoln project all out assault on anyone willing to investigate these matters, was their any comments from engelbrecht, responding to these allegations,
Blogger Earnest Prole said...
Think of it as a more expensive version of Trump University: You learn an important lesson but not the one you thought you were paying for.
What do you think you were paying for ?
Conned by a grifter,,how unusual is that!
I think that is what all the Bernie bros who voted Biden are feeling.
Browndog: We're not in disagreement, I don't think. See my 12:43 post.
Scammers everywhere. Also: a fool and his money are soon parted.
I don't know what is going on with this story.
It looks like the lady who started the program, and was harassed by the Obama administration, is till in charge. We will see of this is a true story,
What do you think you were paying for?
Me personally? I was reliably promised Mexico would pick up the tab.
I read a few blurbs from True the Vote on the internet and got the impression it was run by a single suburban housewife busy with kids. I had no desire to give them money.
Night,
She's not a "single" suburban housewife; she's married. (As "housewife" implies.) And she's "busy with kids" in exactly the same way anyone who has kids, male or female, is busy with them. And there's nothing wrong with the suburbs, particularly. I find your precis description a mite condescending.
I haven't sent her any money myself, but I must say that after reading the National Review account of her 2013 persecution (there really is no other word for it) by the Federal government, I was inclined to. No one ought to go through that from what purports to be the all-embracing Government protecting us all.
project lincoln, is the definition of a scam, so the commission on election reform, told us clearly not to engage in large scale mail vote, frontline showed the weaknesses of this particular code, so did 'kill chain' but everything has been fixed,
Now do the recent years of donations to the Clinton Foundation!
"We need superior election fraud attorneys."
I think Powell is pretty good, but what we need is some people who understand software, and some subpoenas to get at that software. I am still astonished that there seem to be no competent adults in charge of counting votes in national elections. Every inhabited outpost with a zip code does it their own way. Tie knots in a piece of string and report the tally by post card. Buy a twenty-million-dollar computer system based on a server in Germany from a bunch of Venezuelans. Why not? Sounds legit. What a fucking zoo. I guess when they were negotiating the Constitution, there was no way the States were going to give up control of their own elections, so this is what we got.
"Fruit's a gamble."
Thats what code monkey ron haskins has neen doing and another naharz kai (sic)
I'm impressed by Matt Braynard of Voter Integrity Project did.
I should be resigned to the lack of integrity of our media at this point, but what Braynard found should be big news and everyone should know about it.
Now let me see, Joe Biden is either the master of the fraud circuit from his basement fixing the whole thing while hiding or he is the incompetent guy who cant get out of his own way. Which one is it trumpers? You can't have it both ways. Mastermind of 80,000,000 from his basement coordination or cripple hiding in the basement and cant do anything. More folks up in here with all the evidence and not a bit of proof or evidence validated by law as the whining guy lies incessantly called out by everyone, his own lawyers say no fraud to the judges when asked.Lets do another vote recount in Wisconsin, Joe keeps gaining ,trump keeps spending your $$$ $3,000,000 plus to lose another 80 some odd votes for Joe, brilliant! D DAY DECEMBER 14TH the fat lady will sing(and the fat man will have to sing, no choice)
With respect, DINKY DAU 45, you are ignoring the possibility that to most of the rest of us seems the likeliest, namely that Joe Biden has in fact been living in his basement, taken out occasionally for a delicate spin with the TelePrompTer and otherwise getting a "lid" called one day out of three, while anything in the way of election-rigging goes on despite him, certainly without his control and probably without his knowledge. How anyone could trust this man with the nuclear codes is beyond me. Mind you, I'm not too crazy about Trump's having them either, but Trump has been busy ending wars and drawing down troops, whereas Biden's previous Administration was mainly busy starting new ones.
I agree with you that he has probably exhausted all legal channels by now, which doesn't mean that there wasn't fraud (hell, there's always fraud in an American election, as you must know, and there are certainly enough verified instances here to prove at least that much). Just bear in mind that Trump's losses in three states that would've put him over the EC top were less than half those that did put him over the top in 2016. Per the Electoral College, this was an extremely close race.
The "no evidence" thing drives me up the wall. Of course there isn't publicly-available evidence, if no one will look at it. My house could be full of termites, and you'd say there's "no evidence of termites," despite my swearing to having seen them and several other people swearing likewise, if no exterminator will look at what we have seen and have sworn to have seen. It isn't a termite unless a judge has declared it to be a termite, yes? And judges are throwing out affidavits w/o even reviewing them, as I understand it.
Michelle, Sweetie . . . If you hire a bug exterminator company, they well diligently search for the tell-tale signs of wood damage and the larva stage of the termite and show it to you - or not if there is no wood evidence or termites. Termite-free certification is normally necessary in order for you to sell your house and that is also the case with election certifications. Trump cannot receive enough certifications to win the Electoral College vote because Biden already has. As best as I can recall, the last conviction for voter fraud happened in a single county primary in NC and that cheater was a Republican.
Tomorrow, Arizona and Wisconsin will join Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada in certifying election vote counts. And when Trump asks for a SCOTUS review on his fiasco lawsuits, the justices en banc will refuse to hear them.
There's hope! At least one ardent Trump supporter has wised up and realized he was conned.
I know Fred. I've known him since 2011.
$2.5M to him is roughly equivalent to $250 to a median income household. I mean, not something you want to throw away but a donation he thought might have worked out if Trump won.
Whatever.
gadfly, honey-buns, the point I was making is that you think you have termites, but actual exterminators weren't allowed access to your house. Therefore all you have is you and some neighbors saying that there are termites, and the exterminators not looking at all, because they haven't been looking. Finding evidence of termites might mean that there was ... evidence of termites. But if you haven't looked, you can truthfully say that you have found no evidence of termites.
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