August 23, 2020

"To those who stand in judgment of her for getting a dog from a breeder instead of a shelter, why don't you shame her too, for having her own biological children rather than adopting a homeless teenager."

"She has 2 kids and a small living space with no yard, so they likely wanted a dog that's small, with no behavioral problems, one they can train, and not a ten year old, 100 lb German Shepherd with behavioral issues. So why don't you go shame someone else, rather than a mother doing her best to provide comfort to her family during a pandemic."

That's the second-highest-rated comment on "I hated dogs, but I hated the pandemic more. Would a puppy help? So what if he chews the furniture and shreds my papers. He opened up our locked-down world" by Lara Bazelon (WaPo).

I love the commenter's question, because I was just wondering the exact same thing. Why don't the people who think you should get a "rescue" dog when you want a dog also think you should get a "rescue" child when you want a child? In fact, isn't the argument for adopting an older child with special needs even stronger than the argument for adopting an older dog that hasn't had the advantages of a loving home and careful training? After all, many dogs are euthanized, but we strive to keep all our children alive even when they have terrible behavioral problems. And dogs are kept under the control of owners all their lives, while children become adults and are allowed to move about freely in the world even when they are quite dangerous. It's therefore especially important to take great care of all of the children who have been born into this world.

People will say that they want their own biological offspring, but what makes you think what you have to give genetically is so wonderful? Dog breeders have much higher standards selecting which dogs to use for breeding. People just decide to use themselves. When you have your own biological children, you're picking yourself because you are yourself. I'm not saying that's wrong. In fact, I think it's quite beautiful, making something out of your own body and the body of a person you love. So I'm beginning to see the answer to my question. When you have your own child, you're not being a eugenicist, looking for the ideal baby. You're accepting the randomness of who you happen to be and who you've found to love. The baby grows out of that is more like a rescue dog than a breeder's dog.

84 comments:

Bay Area Guy said...

The last two dogs - loved to death - were rescue dogs.

But I don't recall writing ditzy articles for WaPo on said acquisitions......,

I guess I'm not interesting enough. Oh well, I'll work on that.

tcrosse said...

For that matter, why adopt a child from another country, when there are plenty available here in the USA? I admit that little Chinese girls can be adorable, but so can little American girls.

Gabriel said...

you're not being a eugenicist, looking for the ideal baby. You're accepting the randomness of who you happen to be and who you've found to love.

When you evaluate the merit of a potential partner before having a baby with them, that's not randomness, it's eugenics.

There are people who have children with any random person who crosses their path but that's not the norm... yet. Even people not too choosy about their partners and not too careful about contraception don't have sex with literally anyone they might meet. They have SOME kind of filter, and so the offspring they produce do correlate with that person's filter.

They're choosing "like me and the people I prefer to have sex with".

Joe Smith said...

"Dog breeders have much higher standards selecting which dogs to use for breeding."

Unfortunately, many don't, but I understand the sentiment for the sake of your argument.

I have found in my life that almost all dogs are better than almost all people.

Browndog said...

I'm a firm believer in pure breds. A dog is a lifetime commitment, so I say get the dog that fits your lifestyle.

A lot of virtue signaling by barren "dog moms". If only they could afford to adopt black African babies like their Hollywood heroes to codify their sainthood.

I salute those that can walk into an animal shelter and not have their soul crushed, and not demand to take every single animal home with them. That person is not me.

tim maguire said...

I think the same thing when someone is criticized for spending a lot of money on a sick or injured animal—“there are starving children!” they shout.

Yeah, if you spend $50 grand on a car, no one says you could have spent 20 and given the rest to the poor. No, they say “nice car.” If you spend 2 million on a house, no one says you could have spent half a million. No, they say “nice house.” But spend that money on an animal and suddenly there are starving children coming out of the woodwork and they’re Mother Teresa, and why aren’t you too?

The reality is, those people are using your money to posture about their own goodness. They are convincing themselves that they are superior moral beings without actually doing anything to help anybody.

Wince said...

I'm confused, can we keep dogs in cages?

Michael K said...

I have had five basset hounds, two puppies and three rescues. One rescue was handicapped. His hind legs were in a cart when took him but, once home, he never needed it again. He was the most loving of all my dogs. Bassets are a breed where you rarely get a bad one.

I would not be interested in adopting a child, at least in recent times. Two of my best friends when I was a boy were twins, adopted by an older couple. They were identical and always in fights as one brother would insult someone and the insulted would get his friends and find the other brother. They were a hand full. Great guys, but a handful.

buwaya said...

If you succeed in breeding, then you are "wonderful", more fit that is, than those who don't succeed, much less those who do not make the attempt, by definition.
Nature does not care if "wonderful" is some human aesthetic or philosophical quality.

I like nature. She does not care for bullshit.

buwaya said...

It also has not much to do with "love".

Or rather, "love" as far as it applies to breeding is mostly a question of instincts and hormones, that we silly apes rationalize and romanticize.

We are so full of BS.

This is not a comfortable matter to discuss with women btw. Speaking from experience.

Gahrie said...

While I have never bought a pet from a breeder, I see no reason why others shouldn't. The problem isn't dog breeders, the problem is dog owners who let their dogs breed indiscriminately, or abandon the dogs completely.

cf said...

A nation of mutts.
Halleluyah.

holdfast said...

My personal pet peeve is morons "rescuing" dogs that they cannot handle or control.

Like the douchebag hipster couple with a rescued Pit (or maybe Pir-cross?) that jumped my dog in a public dog run in Jersey City years ago). I had to wade in and pull it off, while those two morons just stood their flapping their hands.

Eleanor said...

If people want to get angry because so many dogs are in shelters and need homes, the people to get angry at are not the people who go to a breeder to get a dog. Get mad at the people who abandoned their pets to a shelter. Before you get mad at the people who don't want to clean up a mess, get mad at the people who made the mess. A person who goes to a breeder, selects a puppy that meets the capabilities of the owner to raise and manage a dog, and then cares for the puppy throughout its life is a responsible pet owner and doesn't deserve to be the recipient of anyone's scorn for not choosing an animal of unknown origin to bring home.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

shorter lecture:
There are too many people on the planet.
Adopt.

stevew said...

People suck. The commenter is correct and your expansion of the point is just right.

I would put it a bit more simply to the complainers: who the fuck are you to question this mom's decisions?

Mr Wibble said...

Maybe it's just me, but I've heard that exact argument from people. "The planet is overcrowded. You should adopt rather than trying to have your own kids, because there are too many children without families."

"Men always want to date some young woman with no kids when there are amazing single moms out there."

"Artificial fertilization is morally wrong. Instead, consider adoption."

ELC said...

The only dog I've had died the day before my 15th birthday. I'm 62 now. I don't want another dog, and I doubt that I'll ever want another dog. But one of these days I'm afraid I'm going to lose it on Facebook when somebody else yet again tells me where I should or should not get a dog.

Sebastian said...

"You're accepting the randomness of who you happen to be and who you've found to love."

As opposed to randomer randomness of who someone else happened to be.

Rory said...

"So why don't you go shame someone else, rather than a mother doing her best to provide comfort to her family during a pandemic."

It's because the issue isn't important, and even the specific side of the issue isn't important. What's important is the act of criticism itself, being offensive toward others with impunity. It's genetics in action.

Tommy Duncan said...

For what it's worth, in my area rescue dogs compatible with children are very hard to find. Rescue dogs compatible with allergies are also hard to find. Small rescue dogs appropriate for apartment life are almost non-existent. From personal experience, rescue dogs can be considerably more expensive (shelter fees and veterinary services) than a dog from a breeder. Cats are a dime a dozen.

rcocean said...

What would happen to all the breeder puppies and dogs, if everyone stopped buying them and went to a shelter? You know the answer. Why not just praise people who adopt from an shelter, instead of sneering a and attacking those who don't? Sorry, its not having a "special needs" child, some people just don't have the time/resources/energy to deal with a challenging older dog.

Isn't it amazing how SJW's and Moral scolds can turn a feel-good story into a downer?

Lexington Green said...

“People will say that they want their own biological offspring, but what makes you think what you have to give genetically is so wonderful?”

Can we please just be Darwinian for once? People want their own children because they are their own children, they care about their own genetic offspring because that’s what they’re built to do. It has nothing to do with pet ownership.

Gahrie said...

Isn't it amazing how SJW's and Moral scolds can turn a feel-good story into a downer?

It's the only thing that brings them joy.

mikee said...

Stop comparing pet ownership with child rearing. They are two very different things, not least because one involves a domesticated animal and the other involves a human being.

n.n said...

A child is an evolutionary continuum of a man and a woman. Some find that a comforting thought. Some think he or she is cute in appearance, in tone, or in manner. Some feel a secular obligation. Others feel a moral obligation. A minority label them a "burden", an inconvenience, a profitable clump.

Earnest Prole said...

To those who say I should have chosen a rescue dog over my purebred Australian Shepherd: Fuck you and the broomstick you rode in on.

Kate said...

Mutt Babies. Games, movies, toys . . . copyright that IP right away.

rhhardin said...

I always get replacement Dobermans, when the time comes, from a breeder. It's a good idea to contact breeders right away since it generally takes some time to find one and for the puppies to age out to 8 weeks. In the meantime puppy-proof the house.

Another dog, same breed, as soon as possible, is the advice experts give. It works for me.

Oyez a Beaumont (pdf) advice from the expert.

Tom T. said...

I keep hearing that the shelters are empty these days, because so many people stuck at home for the duration have been adopting dogs.

(Interesting: Google auto-correct wanted me to say "shooting dogs").

ALP said...

I have done a TON of volunteer work at the Seattle Animal Shelter. Worked with cats and dogs. There simply are not enough 'family appropriate' dogs available. Many of them are escape artists (Huskies) or marginal with kids(pit bulls) or large and very unruly - years with no training.

Seattle was very choosy and tried to match dog personalities with the adopter. In many cases, dogs went to single people with the yard + time for some intensive training, and did not have children or cats. Family friendly dogs barely last an hour in the shelter.

Freeman Hunt said...

Conversation about my cat:

Person: "Was he a rescue?"
Me: "He was a cheap cat from the pound, if that's what you mean."

Freeman Hunt said...

Cats from pounds. Dogs from breeders.

Freeman Hunt said...

A neighbor had to shoot a "sweet" rescue pit that went for him. Fortunately an animal control officer witnessed it because the owner was, of course, certain that her dog would never do such a thing.

clint said...

"Wince said...
I'm confused, can we keep dogs in cages?"

Fun story (happy ending, promise). My sister, who lived in a third-floor walkup in the city, rescued a dog some time ago. She'd gotten all the right equipment, including a nice crate in the bedroom, but our other sister and our cousin made her feel guilty about putting the poor creature in a "cage" and so she left the brand-new rescue dog loose in her apartment that first day when she went to work.

When she came home to get ready for the rescue agency's home visit, there was no dog. One of her screen windows was shredded -- the one with a view to the front to the spike-topped wrought-iron fence. What she didn't know is that this dog goes bonkers any time he sees a squirrel, and had managed to throw himself out the window to try to get to the squirrels in the trees along the street.

Several hours and much drama later, the dog was absolutely fine. He'd been found wandering the streets and turned in to a local shelter with minor injuries. They were reunited the same day, the home visit was postponed, and he's now a happy, spoiled couch dog, who's only chased squirrels up into trees a handful of times on his leash walks.

Between that dog, and mine who chooses to take his afternoon nap in his open crate every day, I have to laugh at people who think (properly used) dog crates are cruel.

Bob Boyd said...

This is like the vegetarians. It's not enough for them to eat only vegetables. Everyone else has to eat them too.
I've adopted 2 dogs from the dog pound. Both were great dogs. One still is. But so what? Get what you want. It's your dog.

Michael K said...


Blogger Freeman Hunt said...
A neighbor had to shoot a "sweet" rescue pit that went for him


My dog love stops at pit bulls. Lots of pit bulls in shelters for "rescue" and nobody asks why?

I have five kids to go with my five basset hounds. One thing about basset hounds, they are always grateful.

Bob Boyd said...

Obama ate a dog and he gets a pass from the dog people and the vegetarians.

Gospace said...

I’ve had many dogs- and cats- in my life. Our current dog is a purebred basset. Unlike Michael K above, I will never get another. He’s the only purebred I’ve had. I’ve gotten puppies from pounds, but wouldn’t consider a full grown dog, especially with children in the house.

To be honest, most of the dogs I’ve had in my life are from people who’ve said “My dog had puppies. Would you like a dog?” One was from a supervisor, the rung of the litter. Mostly border collie. It had been returned twice to him in 10 days. Fit in great with us.

Cats I have had have all come as kittens from shelters- except for our purebred Siamese who had been abandoned at our vet’s office. The vet vouched for her. My current.cat was literally picked up off the street. It walked right up to my son and a friend and started meowing at them. He brought her home. Literally skin and bones, less than 4 lbs. She was litter trained, not feral. Someone had dumped her. Our dog chases and probably eats feral cats. He eats everything else he catches. He’s learned to get along with the cat. And the at doesn’t try to get outside- she’s been there, she’s done that. It’s not friendly out there.

As for men marrying single mothers, if you have a lick of common sense, you know all the reasons they don’t. Especially not the tattooed ones. I’ve had close relatives who’ve adopted. Found out after marriage they couldn’t have any of their own. But people aren’t dogs and cats. Having kids is a big responsibility. For some of us. They’re the key to government handouts for others.

Mr Wibble said...

Stop comparing pet ownership with child rearing. They are two very different things, not least because one involves a domesticated animal and the other involves a human being.

No no no. You're supposed to say, "one involves a domesticated animal, and the other involves a dog or cat."

Bob Smith said...

Actually I think anyone who doesn’t adopt a kid from juvenile detention is a jerk. If the one you don’t adopt is Black or Brown you are a racist jerk. Extra credit if your kid has a felony record.

J. Farmer said...

As is so often the case with animal people, there's a legitimate argument to be made, but they're so fucking sanctimonious about it it turns people off.

p.s. My dog turned 12 this year and is just beginning to show signs of declining health. I've started to steel myself against the inevitable but have already warned my husband I'll probably disappear for a day or two when the time arrives. He is not particularly happy with that fact but understands and is supportive.

Ralph L said...

who you've found to love

or boink.

Skeptical Voter said...

If you are going to treat the animal fairly a dog is a major commitment. I've had dogs all my life--purebred collies and boxers when I was a kid and through college--a purebred basset after law school. For the last 45 years or so they've "rescue dogs"--not necessarily from a shelter. Some were given to me by friends who couldn't keep, one was from a secretary who died, and the last one was from the local humane society a "rescue dog" from a "shelter".

I wouldn't criticize anybody who thoughtfully considered their ability to house, shelter and feed a dog, their living circumstances, work hours, family situation --young kids? before choosing a dog--whether purebred or rescue. People who don't frequently wind up returning a poor choice (and poor dog) to the shelter.

Our current rescue dog might be considered a "special needs dog" She's 30 pounds, is a very pretty and sometimes very active dog. We got her at the local shelter. What neither the shelter or my wife and I understood at the time was just how reactive she was to other dogs (and other animals generally). She likes people and she's good with children--but as the groomer says, "Her problem is that she hates other dogs." Hence we can't take her for a walk. As the people at the vet's office say (we occasionally board her for a day or two), "She's crazy but she's fun".

We've had the dog for three and a half years. We worked with a professional trainer for two years--the trainer recommended a Prozac a day to calm her down. She also has extreme separation anxiety.

But our situation is such that we can handle her. We're retired and in our 70s so are both home. The vet bills, the trainer bills are not a problem. We have a large fenced backyard where she can run around chasing lizards, barking at deer and squirrels she sees on the hillside behind our house, barking at birds flying overhead etc. She's fine when visitors, the grandkids, the pool guy and the mow and blow gardeners come by. But would this dog be suitable for a young working couple living in an apartment with kids? No way Jose!

gnossos said...

I am sorry to disagree with Ann about adopting. Although her general attitude is shared by the left leaning women in my family and among my friends.

Anecdotally I have three families close to me that have adopted. All three upper middle class caring folks. All three adoptions have been disasters. One from a Chinese orphanage when that was a thing to do. A brother and a sister from a Romanian orphanage when that was a thing to do. The third a mixed race child from here in the US.

I won't go into details. Suffice to say one family divorced over the strain. Another single mom has been in therapy with her daughter for going on 15 years now.

The fostering situations that I know of personally have all been sad in one way or another.

On the other hand a neighbor was raised with his brother in an orphanage, Father Flanagan style. He said that environment was the best he and his brother could have asked for.

I'm no expert, I only know what I've seen and experienced.


"Hook up" culture and the fatherless homes that the welfare state seems to produce are another disaster.

Truly "planned parenthood" by committed couples who share the desire to have children together have resulted in the most successful, happiest, most well adjusted families in my acquaintance. I don't think the term "breeders" is misused in their case.

jmo, ymmv

tastid212 said...

"And dogs are kept under the control of owners all their lives, while children become adults and are allowed to move about freely in the world even when they are quite dangerous." AA

No. Almost no dogs are under the real control of their owners. Most are some of the time. Many are none of the time. And it's arguable that children become adults - until much later than has been the usual. Yes to "move freely when quite dangerous" part, which will be exacerbated by the bail reform and defund the police movements. And what about the Animal Control budget?

"The baby [who] grows out of that is more like a rescue dog than a breeder's dog." AA

No again. Unless the baby is had on a whim by a mother or parents ignorant of accepted child-rearing practices and raised in a Skinner box. This is the role for foster homes (often grandparents) who are frequently ill-trained or in it for the money. Likewise, many dog breeders are intelligent and intentional about breeding but many breeders are not.

You can find elements of eugenics and randomness in the breeding of children AND dogs. You can also find intentionality and care AND selfishness and neglect in both. So this whole line of comment, imho, is rather simplistic. I don't like to criticize Meadhouse, but this commentary seems a little divorced from reality. Dog-sitting or walking great dogs like Jupiter and the others represents a very narrow sliver of canine breeding and nurturing. The broader reality of dogs and children is a rat's nest of complexities. How long before someone is shamed and canceled for pointing that out?

Gee, you pushed some buttons with that one.

MikeD said...

It's all about definitions. A "breeder" (in the canine business)can be anything from a loathsome puppy mill to one who only breeds dogs with verified, usually AKC, pedigrees. A puppy mill just locks up dogs to produce litter after litter which are sent to urban pet stores, usually the cute small breeds logical for an apartment environment. The pedigree breeder will sell the puppies, ones who fits the breed description (those that don't are put down), for many hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. In between is the backyard breeder, not near as bad as a mill but, often, people with a couple of cute dogs which look like pedigree cousins. These people are just trying to make some money off their not neutered pets.
Anyway, as I'm retired and have no life, I still didn't bother with linked article. I'll guess living in a small domicile,(apartment?) the required dog would be on the model of Lhasa Apso or King Charles. Puppies of these breeds, and similar, never make it to shelter &, if they do, are gone in a matter of hours (usually to backyard breeders).
FWIW, all my dogs have been shelter dogs save for one. He was an English Setter registered with the Gun Dog Stud Book (a working dog Bible) used in upland game hunting and field dog trials, (lotta seconds and thirds but, never a first).
BTW, while "sheltering in place" CA style I've been choosing one blog a night to go on a semi-stream of consciousness rant following several Kuarantine Koctails (today's. choice, Polish vodka on the rocks).
Apologies to Althouse who, under moderation policy, has been forced to read this screed. Or, she could just see the author and hit delete. LoL! It's off my chest so, ICCFL!

ken in tx said...

There are 'breed specific' rescue organizations. We got our boxer from the Austin Boxer Rescue group. She may be an undocumented pure bred boxer. She conforms to breed standards in looks and behavior. She may have escaped from a puppy farm because the vet estimated that she had had 3 litters and she was about three yrs old and pregnant when found. She is an escape artist and can easily jump or climb most fences, but she is a friendly, gentle dog who is easy to live with.

tommyesq said...

but we strive to keep all our children alive even when they have terrible behavioral problems.

Only if they make it through pregnancy and childbirth - prior to then, anything goes.

ALP said...

And another thing...

"Shelter" only describes the municipal or Human Society organizations. There are many, many smaller, private rescue organizations out there. Even purebred rescue groups! The website Petfinder.com lists many dogs available through such organizations, and even sole households will list a pet they need to rehome. Thus you can still get a purebred - that is rescued.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

I got both my Golden Retrievers from my cousin, who breeds them.

Get a dog from a breeder, get a rescue dog, get a dog from the guy down the street - It's none of my business where you get your dog from, as long as you don't abuse it.

Why is everything everyone's goddamn business?

Michael K said...

Unlike Michael K above, I will never get another. He’s the only purebred I’ve had

Bassets are all alike, stubborn and hard to train but lovable in my experience. My first, a puppy that had been purchased by a nurse for her kids and then she realized she had made a mistake, which I got when he was about 3 months old. I had my golden retriever, the best dog I have ever had, and she taught him everything he needed to know. When to go out side for potty, when to eat, etc. She was then about 3 and lived to age 10. I have her ashes to go with mine.

Bassets will take over your life and you have to be OK with that.

stevew said...

There was a MSPCA location on the northshore some years ago that came to notice a certain Vietnamese family was "adopting" rescue dogs on a noticeably regular schedule. You can imagine what they discovered was being done with the rescues.

stevew said...

"Between that dog, and mine who chooses to take his afternoon nap in his open crate every day, I have to laugh at people who think (properly used) dog crates are cruel."

We had a Shih Tzu mix for several years. She came to us via our DIL and was a great dog. Passed away last fall. She had been trained to sleep in a kennel (aka: crate) and to be in one whenever we were away for a few hours. When we first got her we took her to the Vet for a checkup. He noticed how comfortable she was in the kennel and remarked that he advised all dog owners to kennel their dogs. His argument was that it was comforting to the dog, prevented them from becoming anxious at the owners absence and, at night, silence. Ours would occasionally go to her kennel for some quiet time, especially in her later years when the grand kids were around.

Rt41Rebel said...

Funny story... I was on the stand and the questioning attorney asked me if I bought a French Bulldog for my GF, I replied in the affirmative. The next question was "Why didn't you adopt a rescue dog?" GF's attorney objected, and was sustained.

jpg said...

Both my dogs have been rescues. One was a pup, now approaching the end of his life as nears 15 years old. The other was 16 when I got him and I had him 2 years until it was his time. So yeah, I think rescues are pretty much the way to go. BUT, the dog coming from a breeder didn't have any say on where he comes from. He needs saving, too. So lay off the lady. And besides, it's nobody else's business.

jpg said...

Both my dogs have been rescues. One was a pup, now approaching the end of his life as he nears 15 years old. The other was 16 when I got him and I had him 2 years until it was his time. So yeah, I think rescues are pretty much the way to go. BUT, the dog coming from a breeder didn't have any say on where he comes from. He needs saving, too. So lay off the lady. And besides, it's nobody else's business.

Bob Smith said...

Here’s my plan for vicious dogs. Shoot the dog. Shoot the owner. The dog is vicious because the owner wanted a vicious dog. He won’t do that any more.

Anonymous said...

When you have your own child, you're not being a eugenicist, looking for the ideal baby. You're accepting the randomness of who you happen to be and who you've found to love. The baby grows out of that is more like a rescue dog than a breeder's dog.

All babies are rescues under Roe v. Wade

Abortion fans are the eugenicists of our age.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

We have three kinds of children: our own biological, foreign adoptees, and adopted relative. I take your point and the comparison is apt, but I am always uncomfortable comparing children to pets at all.

Fernandinande said...

Can we please just be Darwinian for once?

Thanks. It's funny how "educated" people often don't know the most basic science.

reader said...

I’ve have never known a breeder that put down their puppies. The ones I’ve encountered sell them at reduced rate with the agreement they won’t be bred or registered.

Our lab loves his crate. If he filches something he isn’t supposed to have he will immediately take it to his home base.

Skeptical Voter said...

Sad story abut vicious dogs. Several years ago my wife was in the front yard when she saw two Rorrweilers attacking a miniature poodle who was being walked by a young teenage girl. A neighbor drive the dogs (a mother and son) off by smacking the sidewalk beside them with a shovel. The police had been called; the dogs ran up on the hillside above my house. If I'd had a deer rifle I would have put them down. The police showed up, calmed the two dogs down and took them away. The dogs belonged to an older couple who lived about a half mile away--and had been running loose on the hillside all day long. Of course the owners got the dogs released, "they were good sweet dogs after all--not vicious etc."

Well Karma can be tough. Eighteen months later the owners were traveling. Their daughter came by their house to check on things etc. She had her two year old daughter with her. The dogs killed the little girl. Good sweet dogs--not vicious. Yeah. People delude themselves. When a big powerful animal like a Rottweiler shows a vicious streak, you put the dog down--now. For that matter a small dog can kill a human being. Every year or so a Chihuaha kills a human being--usually someone who has fallen and can't get up.

Crazy World said...

The local shelter provided free care for our dog and siblings that were rescued from the bushes of a dairy here in the middle of nowhere. Good doggies and we got the whiny runt, what a keeper.

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Unknown said...

As a child-free person who has lifelong paid a fortune for other people's kids, I would surely favor a rule that prohibited the breeders from gaining tax deductions or credits for bringing yet another kid into the world as long as there are any waiting for adoption. While breeding may be considered a civil right, taxing the child-free for support of your kid or your dog is definitely not.

n.n said...

All babies are rescues under Roe v. Wade

Abortion fans are the eugenicists of our age.


The Chinese Communists had one-child. The Democrat Marxists have selective-child, another wicked solution. Some, select BLM.

bagoh20 said...

A rescue gives you a special relationship you can't get by buying a dog created for sale. You actually do something very special for them and for yourself.

As to the human baby, it's not really applicable since adopting a baby or giving birth is not like buying a baby that was produced for profit. If I'm going to put all the investment into having a pet, why only get the dog when you could also get the satisfaction of knowing every time you look at him that you saved him from certain death. knowing you saved that animal you love is worth so much extra, and you get that for free or less. Now that's a great deal, for both of you.

MikeD said...

Reader:
I won't question how many "breeders" you know as there are many classes. If you're speaking of AKC breeders, one only has to look at the number of German Shepherds put down when AKC definition was changed to lower hindquarters. Many bred for this conformation were seriously deformed. When you have a valuable characteristic breeding program many of the offspring don't make the grade. Rather than adopting out the non-conformists, with the valuable pedigree, they're put down (or, maybe abandoned at the local pound). Backyard "breeders" are liars & charlatans trying to pass off mongrels as "purebred"! And the puppy mills are an indelible stain on a civilized society, equal to the various animal fight criminals
As an example of a superior, in every sense, one only needs to look at The New Skete Monastery: URL may not appear in comments; https://newskete.org/our-dogs

Quaestor said...

Homo sapiens Got where he (in your face!) is today via the agency of natural selection enforced by the cruel neutrality of some of the most life-hostile global climates since the late Permian. (Climatista's who twist hankies so fretfully over infinitesimal warming ought to contemplate the Quaternary Glaciation one in a blue moon.) Successful human reproduction depended on a vast catalog of variables mostly far beyond the control of Paleolithic hunter-gathers, however, intelligence and social cooperation are foremost among behavioral advantageous adaptions.

Today, most selective environmental factors have been significantly reduced or even eliminated altogether. Your average cretin need not fear being devoured by a cave bear before he can sire another idiot, nor are homicidal sociopaths routinely culled by starvation. Eugenicists have a point, whether we like it or not.

Oso Negro said...

Althouse went for “rescue husband’”. A mutt by all evidence, but house-broken and friendly. Seems to have worked out prett well.

Freeman Hunt said...

Start handing out prison time to owners of dogs that bite and see how many people continue to want to own poorly socialized animals.

wendybar said...

Dogs aren't aborted as easily as little babies in America...there are a lot more of them in the shelters.

iowan2 said...

When a big powerful animal like a Rottweiler shows a vicious streak, you put the dog down--now.

This used to be non controversial. Animals cannot be trusted. If a dog bites someone, it is exactly the same as the dog owner assaulting someone.

I was helping by brother put up a grain bin, on Sunday. His purebred Chow was around, doing what all dogs do in a group of people. At some point my 12 year old daughter was sitting in the grass. The dog came by, stopped to get his ears scratched and he bit her on the mouth. My wife and SIL were standing there and said our daughter did nothing to provoke. Anyway, by the time we got back home, made a call to the periodontist, and got her braces pieced back together, my brother called and told us he had already put the dog down.
All of this is normal SOP. Doing the next right thing. It used to be...normal

MayBee said...

I think dog breeds are one of the coolest things, and that happens through breeding. I'm happy to support legitimate breeders. For me, I know what I can and can't handle in bringing a creature into my life, and I know that there are certain breeds that suit me, and some that don't. I love my dogs, and I'm glad they exist, and I'm happy a breeder thoughtfully helped bring them into this world.

It's interesting to me that people who rescue dogs are often so adamant that other people *have* to do that, too. Isn't it enough to personally feel you've done what you consider to be the right thing?

iowan2 said...

Both of my children have considered adopting rescue children. Family gathering would find the women discussing the possibility of adopting. The each have their own families, and the adoption talk is still there, paused, until their children are a little older and more self sufficient. One has 2 children, the other 4. I think they are crazy to consider such a thing, but somehow, neither are near as selfish as I am. I crave structure and peace, to hour by hour crisis management.

But to compare adoption, to picking out a dog at the pound, is silly. Animals are just that, animals. Attempting to elevate animals to human level will always end in silly discussions.

Todd said...

tim maguire said...

The reality is, those people are using your money to posture about their own goodness. They are convincing themselves that they are superior moral beings without actually doing anything to help anybody.

8/23/20, 4:21 PM


This is around half the country.

Every single hash-tag campaign, every "raise awareness about X", "walk for xxx", "if you buy my X I will donate Y to z", every single SJW is a cheap posing that allows the poser to "feel" so much better about themselves while actually doing and accomplishing zero.

It is the "participation trophy" generation all grown up and it has spread to earlier and later generations as well. All of these internet shrews are a direct result of this. The rise of the "remote Karens". Look upon its face and be not fearful for it has sound and fury signifying NOTHING!

Darrell said...

New rule moving forward--
Mind your own fucking business.

Tom said...

I’ve had a number of dogs in my life, going back to my malamute I got when I was 4 years old. She was an unexpected puppy liter in my town and I got one of the pups, Bandit, and my cousin got her brother, Moon.

Then, in high school when Bandit passed away, we got a golden retriever from the shelter. That poor dog was a behavioral nightmare. We also got a Dalmatian from another cousin who had bought the dog for his kids and the dog didn’t do well around kids. The two dogs fought all the time and we had to keep them physically separated. Sadly, the Golden was such a behavior issue that after she bit a neighbor, she had to be put down.

When I met my wife, she had a small Boston Terrier. 3 years ago Amelia passed away at age 15. She was a great dog with a ton of personality. After 9 months without a dog, my wife found a small Boston pup for sale. When we went to Indiana to pick her up, she was being raised in horrible conditions, so we knew we had to take her. She’s turned into a wonderful dog.

Dogs become such a big part of our lives - don’t just people on wanting the dog they want.

Todd said...

Mr Wibble said...

"Men always want to date some young woman with no kids when there are amazing single moms out there."

8/23/20, 5:05 PM


Why are these "amazing single moms" single? What did they do or not do in their lives up until that point that resulted in them being "moms" but not being "married"? I wonder what would cause an otherwise sane, normal adult male to NOT want to get involved with a "single mom" when there are options for couple-hood that include both young SINGLE women with no kids and young women WITH kids? Questions, questions!

This is NOT to say that there are indeed some young single moms that are in that position not due to their decisions but due to circumstances beyond their control (spouse dies, etc.) BUT the world is full of "young single moms" that got there entirely due to their own choices and are either unable or unwilling to learn from these past actions and so continue making the same choices that resulted in their current circumstances.

Todd said...

clint said...

Between that dog, and mine who chooses to take his afternoon nap in his open crate every day, I have to laugh at people who think (properly used) dog crates are cruel.

8/23/20, 6:40 PM


Not crate training a dog is cruel.

Out of the 4 dogs we have had, only the first was not crate trained (we were younger and did not know better). It keeps the dog safe and contained when you are not there to interact. If you do it right, it becomes the dog's "safe space" where they will go to get alone time and for safety if the house becomes to much.

For those against crate training, the question is, would you leave the house with a loose 3 your old child in it, alone? Then why would you leave your dog loose?

EAB said...

The self-righteous shame culture of Berkeley, CA has spread across the country. Good to see push back.

tim in vermont said...

I think it’s better for the kids to adopt a pit bull rescued when some meth dealer got busted to show then that you place political matters above their safety.

Re crate training. The best explanation I heard was that a wolf is a den animal and a dog is a wolf. My Lab was happier when he was crate trained, and as we let it lapse over the years learning to “trust him” we came to regret it when he got older and would get into trouble like climbing the stairs when he would sometimes fall coming back down, risking injuries that would have forced us to put him down.

n.n said...

"To those who stand in judgment of her for getting a dog from a breeder instead of a shelter, why don't you shame her too, for having her own biological children rather than adopting a homeless teenager."

Thinking outside the box.

Dogs aren't aborted as easily as little babies in America...there are a lot more of them in the shelters.

Comic irony, the babies... Fetal-Americans are Planned for social and medical progress, whereas the dogs are wholly innocent and a protected class, at least in public view. That's true for Green, too, where environmental disruption, corruption, and excess deaths, are hidden under layers of political myths and journolistic discretion.