It's a heartwarming, sentimental notion but in practice isn't really true. Theoretically, civic nationalism seems far preferable to nationalism based in ethnicity, but even among those steeped in the Anglo-Protestant tradition, there is no clear understanding of what it means to be be an American. At its most basic, you could say that it means to support and defend the US Constitution, but that issue is more likely to divide people than to unify them. There's an inherent tension between nationalism and universalism.
Best photo. Thanks Ann. Holly Mackerel it’s great. Been getting requests to hear Nashville Skyline by Bob Dylan on my vinyl lately. Must be a country thing going on. Enjoying the end of summer and the end of COVID and siting in shorts.
Today’s edition of Completely Amazing and Totally Unsurprising News; there will be no 2020 GOP Convention Platform. Nothing. Just unquestioned support for Donald Trump:
“WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration...”
The current Republican Party hasn’t a single idea of its own worth discussing. No health care policy. No federal budget. No budget-balancing plan. Certainly no national strategy for the COVID-19 pandemic. No infrastructure legislation. No China trade deal. And those were all things that Trump has claimed at various different times would be “easy.”
The Party is a personality cult, serving no purpose apart from re-electing Trump. Which is precisely why the one most important thing is the electoral defeat of Trump.
Looks like the rioting and destruction has now come to your neck of the woods, Althouse.
Be safe out there. I know it's not exactly close to you. But these guys in Wisconsin have taken it up a notch and are carrying around loaded semi-auto rifles.
"President’s re-election campaign today released a set of core priorities for a second term under the banner of “Fighting for You!”
"The Republican National Committee will go without a traditional policy platform at the upcoming GOP convention, and said instead it “will continue to enthusiastically support the president’s America-first agenda.” https://www.marketwatch.com/story/republicans-to-forego-party-platform-in-favor-of-full-support-for-trumps-agenda-2020-08-23
Translation: What's there to say- "Yes he's crazy but He will do his best to make sure that no Black guy will move in next door to you."
“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.” - Eisenhower
"We are all Americans" is a goal or aspiration that may well be impossible to achieve but the pursuit of which can improve lives and the relationships among the various groups (regional, ethnic, cultural). No one is forced to participate, and how does one justify opposition to the ideal?
---5) As the US heads for majority-minority status and the WASP cultural core disintegrates, what exactly will be left to conserve? [ Farmer]
JFarmer, this is the weakest point of your argument. That the idea of the United States is unique to an ethnic sub-group. In fact, why can't WASPs be faulted for being weak protectors of the legacy that the founders left us? Under assault in the late '50s and '60s, they seemed all too ready to capitulate to any loud antagonists. And too much of that weak-kneed posture continues to this day.
If you look around the world, everywhere but China (and NKorea), the leftist dystopianism of communism has been in retreat. We had a century of direct, clear laboratory experiment in that ideology and it failed every time. Unless China can succeed in some way, but they are in bad shape financially and it will only get worse. Communism, as we know, fails from its own internal contradictions.
So the U.S. is in its battle to get rid of the last bastion of communism here in our politics. That is the wing that Sanders, AOC, and now the Democratic Party they influence so strongly represents. That is why a 60%-plus beatdown from a Trump ticket will be needed to eliminate them. Once more pragmatic members of that party see how hopeless the lefty case is as a political proposition, they will run to the center and try to eliminate the young-american-communistas like bad flu bugs in their system.
I don't know that it will happen that way. The alternative is grim -- the Democrats win and bankrupt everything. The nation's finances are shaky, an understatement, and there is going to be retrenchment under any outcome. But you would have to be insane to prefer Democratic fiscal and moral bankruptcy to MAGA.
If Drago is correct that you are a Sanders fan, you have some odd confusion and a blind spot. He is a boring yenta who favors all the evils of anti-American know-nothingism and has learned nothing from the 20th century.
J Farmer said...there is no clear understanding of what it means to be be an American.
Just got back from fishing Yellowstone (did NOT get eaten by bears) with an old college friend
He still lived in Ames iowa, and has fully embraced the whole BLM marxist thing (which is pretty funny for a 42 year old white guy) he told me that, Because america Claims to be the country that is open to all people; it should: A) provide universal healthcare, and universal basic income; for ALL americans B) allow UNRESTRICTED immigration Into this country
when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share
To him, america seems to be a dream land, where everything would be nice, if we could just get rid of The RICH
As of today the case count is down and death count is approaching zero in many parts of the world. We now have multiple effective tools including plasma therapy where safety and efficacy is so great no leftie politician is willing to ban it.
Today only the most vulnerable are at great risk.
Also, as of today Joe Biden is running on a mask mandate platform, something he won't be able to implement for at least 5 months at the earliest...
I wonder if you can give us more information on the comments and commenters who have pushed you into a "moderator" position. What kind of crap are you dealing with?
I am not questioning your decision. I am increasingly interested in how battles are being fought in the virtual world.
So I hear that there was a police shooting in Kenosha yesterday, and that the governor (in the absence of any information except the simple fact that the police, summoned for a domestic violence call, shot the guy) immediately declared it an un-righteous shooting - is this why our host hasn't posted anything new today? Is she researching the story, or preparing for the onslaught of violent rioters?
Tell ya what, J. You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Don't fuck with my stuff and I won't fuck with yours. Keep your good intensions to yourself and I'll do the same. Pray to your god and I'll pray to mine. Now shut up and go away. That's what America is all about.
when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share
I think this is a pretty common illusion on the left. My middle daughter, who was a Bernie Bro, told me a few years ago that the rich had lots of money stashed somewhere. This is common, I think, to people who have no idea how commerce works. Certainly, we see a lot more conspicuous consumption than 50 years ago. Much of this is coming from a class that handles money, many technology related. There is a reason why they have adopted the Democrat Party, which seems largely ignorant of economics.
Maybe you didn't notice, but Trump managed to fulfill more of his campaign promises than any President that I can recall in my 73 years.
Quick. Name three campaign promises that Obama/Biden delivered on in their eight years in office. No amorphous warm fuzzy stuff. Hard accomplishments.
Obamacare? Not exactly what they promised. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". Or maybe the 10 million new electric cars that we were going to see on the road in their first three years. Or the 4.5% GDP growth that we were going to see for years and years if we passed their stimulus plan. Bonus points for anything in the 2020 Democrat platform that you think they can get implemented. Green New Deal? God help us.
Michael K responded to me, and said... when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share I think this is a pretty common illusion on the left.
my friend (the 42 year old that said this) makes about 60k a year... i didn't have the heart to tell him; that He WAS The Rich
he Honestly thought, that if we could just tax Jeff Bezos at %70; not only would the rest of us not have to pay taxes, but that we could provide free health care AND welfare for all (INCLUDING open immigration)
when he said that we need to Immediately jack up the minimum wage (AND index to inflation) i asked him about the people whose jobs would be replaced by machines, and asked if they should just go on welfare; and he nodded and said Sure! (this lead to the universal basic income discussion)
Blogger Michael K said..."...when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share..." 8/24/20, 9:38 AM
Classic Democratic mantra! This is a lie (just look at IRS or State IRS numbers) and you'll see that the "Rich" pay most of the income taxes in every location. And that's not including the business taxes generated by their businesses (including employee taxes). NY like CA, where I live, has seen a wealth flight which I haven't seen since the '70s when the UK's confiscatory tax policies caused the classic "brain drain" of the 1970s. People/voters don't learn from history. But politicians have got to be politicians and stake out positions which are mostly myths.
Blogger rehajm said... Trying to wrap my brain around this:"...as of today Joe Biden is running on a mask mandate platform, something he won't be able to implement for at least 5 months at the earliest... 8/24/20, 7:11 AM
I don't believe he can mandate such actions, mask is required for all States, without the buy-in of the Governors or even Local Officials. Not a constitutional scholar like Ann or even a Lawyer (would like to hear from you'all). But I bet the Governor of South Dakota will tell Biden 'pound sand'. Moreover, given the "Defund Police" who's going to do the enforcement?
Blogger Chuck said..."...Today’s edition of Completely Amazing and Totally Unsurprising News; there will be no 2020 GOP Convention Platform. Nothing...Just unquestioned support for Donald Trump..." 8/23/20, 10:33 PM
What's amazing that this comment comes from an educated person and Lawyer? Chuck which Party in the history of the USA has delivered on it's "Platforms"? Especially now, during modern times where politicians just jostle each other for their 15 seconds of fame on 'Twitter or TV'. To be honest, I rather not get fed pablum from lying politicians who never execute any of there ideas. I want to be surprised that politicians actually do something. Chuck unbelievable statement! But having read other comments from you I can see the "Orange Man Bad" aspect which you love so much.
"I wonder if you can give us more information on the comments and commenters who have pushed you into a "moderator" position. What kind of crap are you dealing with?"
Sorry. To talk about these people is to give them energy. It's a necessarily closed door.
--5) As the US heads for majority-minority status and the WASP cultural core disintegrates, what exactly will be left to conserve? [ Farmer]
Weird. Farmer had a nice post where he numbered his points. I was going to respond to, I believe, #3 (college educated tend to vote Democrat, which may be true, but is idiotic - as a class they should be the ones who know better). But then I got a warning message that that iPad was running out of juice. Switched then from my overnight iPad to my daytime iPad, and his entire post had disappeared.
gilbar: in addition to being ignorant of math your friend seems to be confusing income and assets. What he really wants is to confiscate all the rich folks assets. Still won't get the job done in the long term but will eliminate the RICH boogeyman.
Bruce, the original Farmer post was in the prior night's cafe thread. He was answering one of my comments in that numbered one, I believe. I just carried my reply over to this cafe thread for visibility.
That the idea of the United States is unique to an ethnic sub-group.
There is a reason Canada, the UK, New Zealand, and Australia would feel more familiar to an American than France or Italy or Guatemala. They share an Anglo-Protestant cultural core. One of the reasons North America differs culturally from Latin America is one was settled by Anglo-Protestants and the other by Latin Catholics.
In fact, why can't WASPs be faulted for being weak protectors of the legacy that the founders left us?
They can be faulted. I am not exalting WASPs. Anyone can adopt WASP culture. That was what assimilation was all about. The decline of WASP dominance was already well underway by the 1950's. Catholic immigrants were able to challenge them through the big city boss systems, and meritocratic Jews were gaining institutional position. Kennedy was elected to the Senate in 1952 by defeating Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. The enfranchisement of southern blacks and the elimination of immigration restrictions in the mid-1960's merely accelerated a continuing trend.
So the U.S. is in its battle to get rid of the last bastion of communism here in our politics
Frankly, I think that notion is absurd. It's a Cold War anachronism that hasn't really been relevant since Brezhnev assumed the secretaryship.
If Drago is correct that you are a Sanders fan, you have some odd confusion and a blind spot. He is a boring yenta who favors all the evils of anti-American know-nothingism and has learned nothing from the 20th century.
I don't believe one should be a "fan" of any politician. I believe politicians should always be treated with skepticism and suspicion.
But you would have to be insane to prefer Democratic fiscal and moral bankruptcy to MAGA. . My preference is for economic nationalism, broad social insurance, immigration restriction, localism, and less militarized internationalism. It does not exist within the two major political parties. MAGA is a meaningless slogan. The ideology that needs to be defeated is neoliberalism.
That's what America is all about to you. It is not a consensus position and that there is no consensus position is my point. That is why relying on civic nationalism to unify disparate people is a pipe dream.
“Bruce, the original Farmer post was in the prior night's cafe thread. He was answering one of my comments in that numbered one, I believe. I just carried my reply over to this cafe thread for visibility.”
Thanks. Good to know that I am not going crazy or that Blogger isn’t screwing up any more than usual.
Reminds me a bit of the HOA board meeting this last week. I bought the subdivision from the bank, and the head banker is still on the board, until I replace him at the next homeowners meeting. We both have MBAs and JDs, so have something in common. We got into one discussion, where I said something, and he pulled out the HOA CCRs, and pointed out my mistake. Needless to say, I should have had a copy with me, and known them as well as he did. My comment was that this showed that he was the better lawyer. I hadn’t done my homework, and he had.
But I got a bit of redemption later. The CCRs have the Declarant (original developer) giving up control of the HOA upon the completion of a certain number of lots. We are one house short, but several of the other lots have outbuildings. My point was that the original developer’s intent probably was completed houses, and not sold lots or including out buildings, since he was, at the time, the only builder (he controlled the Architectural Review Committee), so had an incentive to continue controlling the HOA and its ARC (where he could prevent anyone else from building there). The banker (and other atty present) thought about it and agreed. We also figured out that the deed where he picked up the subdivision, and then my deed, put us in the shoes of the original Declarant. That means that until we get one more house built (two lots have sold within the last month), I can probably do whatever I want. That means primarily building a garage next door about twice the size allowed by the CCRs. I can justify that, because I plan on putting some equipment there useful to selling the subdivision, such as a riding mower, maybe a truck with a snowplow, etc. I also intend on tightening up on board of directors membership. Otherwise, I don’t plan on rocking the boat too much - these are our neighbors after all.
"So the U.S. is in its battle to get rid of the last bastion of communism here in our politics" --me
--- Frankly, I think that notion is absurd. It's a Cold War anachronism that hasn't really been relevant since Brezhnev assumed the secretaryship. [J. Farmer]
I know you like to argue, but the above is just an irrelevant dismissal. Our socialists, from Sanders to AOC, and including the left-leaning Democratic establishment, have nothing to do with the Cold War. One of their weaknesses is that they learned nothing from it, in fact. The end of communism is a historical wave that is running across the globe, just as the original leftist impulse did a century ago. China was one of the last adopters, and will go through its own rejection, I hope. But we are still in the phase of entertaining the communist fantasies through the candidates that are anti-capitalist, anti-American (Ilhan Omar), and anti-Enlightenment. I can only speculate that this fact -- the notion that Bernie Sanders can appeal to supposedly educated Americans -- has to do a little with anti-status-quo rebelliousness, and a lot with the scale of this financial cycle, which makes almost any crazy idea seem like an actual possibility.
Far from irrelevance, leftwing lunacy is one of the most powerful forces in our politics today. Look at the headlines.
Far from irrelevance, leftwing lunacy is one of the most powerful forces in our politics today. Look at the headlines.
Yeah, I remember constantly hearing how Obama was a radical far-left Marxist. Meanwhile, elite position was just as entrenched when he left office as when he entered. Elected officials are not the primary source of power in American society. Private capital and institutional positioning are far more powerful, and elected officials are typically captured by them. There's a reason there is broad continuity in US policy over decades regardless of which party controls Congress or the White House. We're still in Iraq and Afghanistan after almost 20 years. From Reagan through Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to now, immigration, globalization, and internationalism have marched forward. Power in America is concentrated in the hands of a relatively small elite, and that is what the elite wants. They're not itching for 20th century Leninism, regardless of what you think of Ilhan Omar or AOC. There's a reason the establishment is fine with a Biden/Harris ticket. And it's for the same reason they were fine with an Obama/Biden Ticket and a Bush/Cheney ticket. Because the outcome of the election did not pose a threat to their position.
stevew said... What he really wants is to confiscate all the rich folks assets
that's how i read him too. I had opened my mouth to try to tell him that we could tax amazon at any rate we wanted to, and it STILL wouldn't *make a dent in our deficit *make a dent in Jeff Bezos' wealth
Then, i thought about the difficulty of getting ANYONE to Ever change their mind; and instead told him that he wasn't pausing enough on his backcast (which was true)
Ann Althouse paraphrased General Norman Schwarzkopf, saying... Sorry. To talk about these people is to give them energy. It's a necessarily closed door.
We don't talk about nuclear weapons. We don't talk about why we don't talk about nuclear weapons; because, we'd then be talking about nuclear weapons
And you're working for no one but me 'Cause I'm the taxman ... Yeah, I'm the taxman Let me tell you how it will be. There's one for you, nineteen for me Should five per cent appear too small... Be thankful I don't take it all 'Cause I'm the taxman ... Yeah, I'm the taxman
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The clouds on the horizon make a big, positive difference in the framing. And highlight and augment the colors too.
Meanwhile, We Are All Americans
I like the clouds reflected in the fore..water.
Why do you have to take a completely new photograph? Why not adopt and use an old and neglected photo of sunrise?
What a lovely scene (and a great photograph). Thank you for sharing these!
My thanks to the Brewers for their part in brightening an otherwise dismal season for my Pirates this weekend.
Cultural appropriation! A citizen of Japan won the Indy 500! I demand that his championship be taken away from him and given to Scott Dixon,
Oops.
Meanwhile, We Are All Americans
It's a heartwarming, sentimental notion but in practice isn't really true. Theoretically, civic nationalism seems far preferable to nationalism based in ethnicity, but even among those steeped in the Anglo-Protestant tradition, there is no clear understanding of what it means to be be an American. At its most basic, you could say that it means to support and defend the US Constitution, but that issue is more likely to divide people than to unify them. There's an inherent tension between nationalism and universalism.
daylight vs Joe's Dank Cellar
President’s re-election campaign today released a set of core priorities for a second term under the banner of “Fighting for You!”
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-president-trumps-2nd-term-agenda-fighting-for-you
lawlessness ... is Racist!!
Black People Make Up The Overwhelming Majority Of Shooting Victims Amid NYC Wave
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/23/new-york-city-shootings-data-impact-black-people/
convalescent plasma--
...a dilemma for the Left?
"He should have done it sooner" or "he's turning us into Frankenstein!"
Denver's turn in the riot barrel.
"that little boy was me"
Andre Bocelli
That's a really beautiful photo...
Best photo. Thanks Ann. Holly Mackerel it’s great. Been getting requests to hear Nashville Skyline by Bob Dylan on my vinyl lately. Must be a country thing going on. Enjoying the end of summer and the end of COVID and siting in shorts.
Surprise
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/exclusive-falwell-says-fatal-attraction-threat-led-to-depression?_amp=true
Lovely photo.
Today’s edition of Completely Amazing and Totally Unsurprising News; there will be no 2020 GOP Convention Platform. Nothing. Just unquestioned support for Donald Trump:
“WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration...”
The current Republican Party hasn’t a single idea of its own worth discussing. No health care policy. No federal budget. No budget-balancing plan. Certainly no national strategy for the COVID-19 pandemic. No infrastructure legislation. No China trade deal. And those were all things that Trump has claimed at various different times would be “easy.”
The Party is a personality cult, serving no purpose apart from re-electing Trump. Which is precisely why the one most important thing is the electoral defeat of Trump.
https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/RESOLUTION_REGARDING_THE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf?_ga=2.109560193.504857691.1598219603-2087748323.1598219603
"Yancey Ward said...
"Why do you have to take a completely new photograph? Why not adopt and use an old and neglected photo of sunrise?"
How do you know she didn't?
Yancey Ward: “Why do you have to take a completely new photograph? Why not adopt and use an old and neglected photo of sunrise?”
Do you moonlight as Biden's speechwriter?
is Wisconsin ready for the next George Floyd?
Looks like the rioting and destruction has now come to your neck of the woods, Althouse.
Be safe out there. I know it's not exactly close to you. But these guys in Wisconsin have taken it up a notch and are carrying around loaded semi-auto rifles.
This isn't going to end well.
Apparently there are Riots in Kenosha WI. A black man was shot by police.
Best photo! Well done!
"President’s re-election campaign today released a set of core priorities for a second term under the banner of “Fighting for You!”
"The Republican National Committee will go without a traditional policy platform at the upcoming GOP convention, and said instead it “will continue to enthusiastically support the president’s America-first agenda.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/republicans-to-forego-party-platform-in-favor-of-full-support-for-trumps-agenda-2020-08-23
Translation: What's there to say- "Yes he's crazy but He will do his best to make sure that no Black guy will move in next door to you."
“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.” - Eisenhower
That’s the best news I’ve heard all year, toothless!
Stay safe out there. Professor.
Beautiful!
Riots in Kenosha last night. My prediction about riots in Milwaukee was just a few days late.
"We are all Americans" is a goal or aspiration that may well be impossible to achieve but the pursuit of which can improve lives and the relationships among the various groups (regional, ethnic, cultural). No one is forced to participate, and how does one justify opposition to the ideal?
Government isn't doing enough to stop the spread...
The good news is many Californians leaving the state are Republicans!
here's Fun!
portland "protesters" wheeled out a guillotine, on which they burned american flags; shouting:
Whose Lives Matter? Black Lives Matter!
At Least they are Upfront about What They Want
---5) As the US heads for majority-minority status and the WASP cultural core disintegrates, what exactly will be left to conserve? [ Farmer]
JFarmer, this is the weakest point of your argument. That the idea of the United States is unique to an ethnic sub-group. In fact, why can't WASPs be faulted for being weak protectors of the legacy that the founders left us? Under assault in the late '50s and '60s, they seemed all too ready to capitulate to any loud antagonists. And too much of that weak-kneed posture continues to this day.
If you look around the world, everywhere but China (and NKorea), the leftist dystopianism of communism has been in retreat. We had a century of direct, clear laboratory experiment in that ideology and it failed every time. Unless China can succeed in some way, but they are in bad shape financially and it will only get worse. Communism, as we know, fails from its own internal contradictions.
So the U.S. is in its battle to get rid of the last bastion of communism here in our politics. That is the wing that Sanders, AOC, and now the Democratic Party they influence so strongly represents. That is why a 60%-plus beatdown from a Trump ticket will be needed to eliminate them. Once more pragmatic members of that party see how hopeless the lefty case is as a political proposition, they will run to the center and try to eliminate the young-american-communistas like bad flu bugs in their system.
I don't know that it will happen that way. The alternative is grim -- the Democrats win and bankrupt everything. The nation's finances are shaky, an understatement, and there is going to be retrenchment under any outcome. But you would have to be insane to prefer Democratic fiscal and moral bankruptcy to MAGA.
If Drago is correct that you are a Sanders fan, you have some odd confusion and a blind spot. He is a boring yenta who favors all the evils of anti-American know-nothingism and has learned nothing from the 20th century.
J Farmer said...there is no clear understanding of what it means to be be an American.
Just got back from fishing Yellowstone (did NOT get eaten by bears) with an old college friend
He still lived in Ames iowa, and has fully embraced the whole BLM marxist thing
(which is pretty funny for a 42 year old white guy)
he told me that,
Because america Claims to be the country that is open to all people; it should:
A) provide universal healthcare, and universal basic income; for ALL americans
B) allow UNRESTRICTED immigration Into this country
when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share
To him, america seems to be a dream land,
where everything would be nice, if we could just get rid of The RICH
The portrait landscapes are the best.
Trying to wrap my brain around this:
As of today the case count is down and death count is approaching zero in many parts of the world. We now have multiple effective tools including plasma therapy where safety and efficacy is so great no leftie politician is willing to ban it.
Today only the most vulnerable are at great risk.
Also, as of today Joe Biden is running on a mask mandate platform, something he won't be able to implement for at least 5 months at the earliest...
Ann,
I wonder if you can give us more information on the comments and commenters who have pushed you into a "moderator" position. What kind of crap are you dealing with?
I am not questioning your decision. I am increasingly interested in how battles are being fought in the virtual world.
So I hear that there was a police shooting in Kenosha yesterday, and that the governor (in the absence of any information except the simple fact that the police, summoned for a domestic violence call, shot the guy) immediately declared it an un-righteous shooting - is this why our host hasn't posted anything new today? Is she researching the story, or preparing for the onslaught of violent rioters?
Tell ya what, J.
You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Don't fuck with my stuff and I won't fuck with yours. Keep your good intensions to yourself and I'll do the same. Pray to your god and I'll pray to mine. Now shut up and go away. That's what America is all about.
...when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share...
Clearly he is one of those types who loathes finance.
when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share
I think this is a pretty common illusion on the left. My middle daughter, who was a Bernie Bro, told me a few years ago that the rich had lots of money stashed somewhere. This is common, I think, to people who have no idea how commerce works. Certainly, we see a lot more conspicuous consumption than 50 years ago. Much of this is coming from a class that handles money, many technology related. There is a reason why they have adopted the Democrat Party, which seems largely ignorant of economics.
Chuck et al:
Maybe you didn't notice, but Trump managed to fulfill more of his campaign promises than any President that I can recall in my 73 years.
Quick. Name three campaign promises that Obama/Biden delivered on in their eight years in office. No amorphous warm fuzzy stuff. Hard accomplishments.
Obamacare? Not exactly what they promised. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". Or maybe the 10 million new electric cars that we were going to see on the road in their first three years. Or the 4.5% GDP growth that we were going to see for years and years if we passed their stimulus plan. Bonus points for anything in the 2020 Democrat platform that you think they can get implemented. Green New Deal? God help us.
The floor is yours.
Also, as of today Joe Biden is running on a mask mandate platform, something he won't be able to implement for at least 5 months at the earliest...
Still waiting for the randomized, double blind study that proves that masks work in reducing disease so Joe can "follow the science".
By the way, AZ and TX both have rates of transmission of less than one as of today according to rt.live
The fair share for the rich is substantially LOWER than it is presently, even accounting for those few what pay only for carry...
Michael K responded to me, and said...
when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share
I think this is a pretty common illusion on the left.
my friend (the 42 year old that said this) makes about 60k a year...
i didn't have the heart to tell him; that He WAS The Rich
he Honestly thought, that if we could just tax Jeff Bezos at %70; not only would the rest of us not have to pay taxes, but that we could provide free health care AND welfare for all (INCLUDING open immigration)
when he said that we need to Immediately jack up the minimum wage (AND index to inflation) i asked him about the people whose jobs would be replaced by machines, and asked if they should just go on welfare; and he nodded and said Sure!
(this lead to the universal basic income discussion)
Blogger Michael K said..."...when i asked him how this could be paid for, he said: make THE RICH pay their fair share..." 8/24/20, 9:38 AM
Classic Democratic mantra! This is a lie (just look at IRS or State IRS numbers) and you'll see that the "Rich" pay most of the income taxes in every location. And that's not including the business taxes generated by their businesses (including employee taxes). NY like CA, where I live, has seen a wealth flight which I haven't seen since the '70s when the UK's confiscatory tax policies caused the classic "brain drain" of the 1970s. People/voters don't learn from history. But politicians have got to be politicians and stake out positions which are mostly myths.
Blogger rehajm said...
Trying to wrap my brain around this:"...as of today Joe Biden is running on a mask mandate platform, something he won't be able to implement for at least 5 months at the earliest...
8/24/20, 7:11 AM
I don't believe he can mandate such actions, mask is required for all States, without the buy-in of the Governors or even Local Officials. Not a constitutional scholar like Ann or even a Lawyer (would like to hear from you'all). But I bet the Governor of South Dakota will tell Biden 'pound sand'. Moreover, given the "Defund Police" who's going to do the enforcement?
Blogger Chuck said..."...Today’s edition of Completely Amazing and Totally Unsurprising News; there will be no 2020 GOP Convention Platform. Nothing...Just unquestioned support for Donald Trump..." 8/23/20, 10:33 PM
What's amazing that this comment comes from an educated person and Lawyer? Chuck which Party in the history of the USA has delivered on it's "Platforms"? Especially now, during modern times where politicians just jostle each other for their 15 seconds of fame on 'Twitter or TV'. To be honest, I rather not get fed pablum from lying politicians who never execute any of there ideas. I want to be surprised that politicians actually do something. Chuck unbelievable statement! But having read other comments from you I can see the "Orange Man Bad" aspect which you love so much.
"I wonder if you can give us more information on the comments and commenters who have pushed you into a "moderator" position. What kind of crap are you dealing with?"
Sorry. To talk about these people is to give them energy. It's a necessarily closed door.
NJ "excess deaths" dropped to negative numbers as of June 30th. Last completed numbers.
--5) As the US heads for majority-minority status and the WASP cultural core disintegrates, what exactly will be left to conserve? [ Farmer]
Weird. Farmer had a nice post where he numbered his points. I was going to respond to, I believe, #3 (college educated tend to vote Democrat, which may be true, but is idiotic - as a class they should be the ones who know better). But then I got a warning message that that iPad was running out of juice. Switched then from my overnight iPad to my daytime iPad, and his entire post had disappeared.
gilbar: in addition to being ignorant of math your friend seems to be confusing income and assets. What he really wants is to confiscate all the rich folks assets. Still won't get the job done in the long term but will eliminate the RICH boogeyman.
Bruce, the original Farmer post was in the prior night's cafe thread. He was answering one of my comments in that numbered one, I believe. I just carried my reply over to this cafe thread for visibility.
@Kai Akker:
That the idea of the United States is unique to an ethnic sub-group.
There is a reason Canada, the UK, New Zealand, and Australia would feel more familiar to an American than France or Italy or Guatemala. They share an Anglo-Protestant cultural core. One of the reasons North America differs culturally from Latin America is one was settled by Anglo-Protestants and the other by Latin Catholics.
In fact, why can't WASPs be faulted for being weak protectors of the legacy that the founders left us?
They can be faulted. I am not exalting WASPs. Anyone can adopt WASP culture. That was what assimilation was all about. The decline of WASP dominance was already well underway by the 1950's. Catholic immigrants were able to challenge them through the big city boss systems, and meritocratic Jews were gaining institutional position. Kennedy was elected to the Senate in 1952 by defeating Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. The enfranchisement of southern blacks and the elimination of immigration restrictions in the mid-1960's merely accelerated a continuing trend.
So the U.S. is in its battle to get rid of the last bastion of communism here in our politics
Frankly, I think that notion is absurd. It's a Cold War anachronism that hasn't really been relevant since Brezhnev assumed the secretaryship.
If Drago is correct that you are a Sanders fan, you have some odd confusion and a blind spot. He is a boring yenta who favors all the evils of anti-American know-nothingism and has learned nothing from the 20th century.
I don't believe one should be a "fan" of any politician. I believe politicians should always be treated with skepticism and suspicion.
But you would have to be insane to prefer Democratic fiscal and moral bankruptcy to MAGA.
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My preference is for economic nationalism, broad social insurance, immigration restriction, localism, and less militarized internationalism. It does not exist within the two major political parties. MAGA is a meaningless slogan. The ideology that needs to be defeated is neoliberalism.
@Rusty:
That's what America is all about.
That's what America is all about to you. It is not a consensus position and that there is no consensus position is my point. That is why relying on civic nationalism to unify disparate people is a pipe dream.
“Bruce, the original Farmer post was in the prior night's cafe thread. He was answering one of my comments in that numbered one, I believe. I just carried my reply over to this cafe thread for visibility.”
Thanks. Good to know that I am not going crazy or that Blogger isn’t screwing up any more than usual.
Reminds me a bit of the HOA board meeting this last week. I bought the subdivision from the bank, and the head banker is still on the board, until I replace him at the next homeowners meeting. We both have MBAs and JDs, so have something in common. We got into one discussion, where I said something, and he pulled out the HOA CCRs, and pointed out my mistake. Needless to say, I should have had a copy with me, and known them as well as he did. My comment was that this showed that he was the better lawyer. I hadn’t done my homework, and he had.
But I got a bit of redemption later. The CCRs have the Declarant (original developer) giving up control of the HOA upon the completion of a certain number of lots. We are one house short, but several of the other lots have outbuildings. My point was that the original developer’s intent probably was completed houses, and not sold lots or including out buildings, since he was, at the time, the only builder (he controlled the Architectural Review Committee), so had an incentive to continue controlling the HOA and its ARC (where he could prevent anyone else from building there). The banker (and other atty present) thought about it and agreed. We also figured out that the deed where he picked up the subdivision, and then my deed, put us in the shoes of the original Declarant. That means that until we get one more house built (two lots have sold within the last month), I can probably do whatever I want. That means primarily building a garage next door about twice the size allowed by the CCRs. I can justify that, because I plan on putting some equipment there useful to selling the subdivision, such as a riding mower, maybe a truck with a snowplow, etc. I also intend on tightening up on board of directors membership. Otherwise, I don’t plan on rocking the boat too much - these are our neighbors after all.
I found. . . . . .a 20-lb dumbbell at the store this afternoon! Made my day.
I know. Pathetic. But the gyms are still closed, thanks idiot Governor Duecy. Well, and the idiots advising him.
But hey, I can do a little more work!
"So the U.S. is in its battle to get rid of the last bastion of communism here in our politics" --me
--- Frankly, I think that notion is absurd. It's a Cold War anachronism that hasn't really been relevant since Brezhnev assumed the secretaryship. [J. Farmer]
I know you like to argue, but the above is just an irrelevant dismissal. Our socialists, from Sanders to AOC, and including the left-leaning Democratic establishment, have nothing to do with the Cold War. One of their weaknesses is that they learned nothing from it, in fact. The end of communism is a historical wave that is running across the globe, just as the original leftist impulse did a century ago. China was one of the last adopters, and will go through its own rejection, I hope. But we are still in the phase of entertaining the communist fantasies through the candidates that are anti-capitalist, anti-American (Ilhan Omar), and anti-Enlightenment. I can only speculate that this fact -- the notion that Bernie Sanders can appeal to supposedly educated Americans -- has to do a little with anti-status-quo rebelliousness, and a lot with the scale of this financial cycle, which makes almost any crazy idea seem like an actual possibility.
Far from irrelevance, leftwing lunacy is one of the most powerful forces in our politics today. Look at the headlines.
Kai Akker:
Far from irrelevance, leftwing lunacy is one of the most powerful forces in our politics today. Look at the headlines.
Yeah, I remember constantly hearing how Obama was a radical far-left Marxist. Meanwhile, elite position was just as entrenched when he left office as when he entered. Elected officials are not the primary source of power in American society. Private capital and institutional positioning are far more powerful, and elected officials are typically captured by them. There's a reason there is broad continuity in US policy over decades regardless of which party controls Congress or the White House. We're still in Iraq and Afghanistan after almost 20 years. From Reagan through Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to now, immigration, globalization, and internationalism have marched forward. Power in America is concentrated in the hands of a relatively small elite, and that is what the elite wants. They're not itching for 20th century Leninism, regardless of what you think of Ilhan Omar or AOC. There's a reason the establishment is fine with a Biden/Harris ticket. And it's for the same reason they were fine with an Obama/Biden Ticket and a Bush/Cheney ticket. Because the outcome of the election did not pose a threat to their position.
stevew said...
What he really wants is to confiscate all the rich folks assets
that's how i read him too. I had opened my mouth to try to tell him that we could tax amazon at any rate we wanted to, and it STILL wouldn't
*make a dent in our deficit
*make a dent in Jeff Bezos' wealth
Then, i thought about the difficulty of getting ANYONE to Ever change their mind; and instead told him that he wasn't pausing enough on his backcast (which was true)
Ann Althouse paraphrased General Norman Schwarzkopf, saying...
Sorry. To talk about these people is to give them energy. It's a necessarily closed door.
We don't talk about nuclear weapons. We don't talk about why we don't talk about nuclear weapons; because, we'd then be talking about nuclear weapons
and Here's Uncle Jo, weighing in on fair share!
“I will raise taxes for anybody making over $400,000,” Biden said. “Let me tell you why I'm going to do it. It’s about time they start paying a fair share of the economic responsibility we have. The very wealthy should pay a fair share — corporations should pay a fair share.”
And you're working for no one but me
'Cause I'm the taxman ... Yeah, I'm the taxman
Let me tell you how it will be. There's one for you, nineteen for me
Should five per cent appear too small... Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman ... Yeah, I'm the taxman
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