August 15, 2020

Can Biden escape criticism for the political use of race by accusing the critics of racism?

I'm reading "Australian newspaper cartoon of U.S. candidates Harris and Biden criticized as racist" (Reuters):
The cartoon by Johannes Leak in The Australian newspaper, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp and is known for its conservative views, depicted a beaming Biden saying, “It’s time to heal a nation divided by racism.” The drawing then showed him pointing to Harris, the first Black woman on a major-party U.S. presidential ticket, and saying, “So I’ll hand you over to this little brown girl while I go for a lie-down.”...

The cartoon drew immediate criticism from some officials, and other critics. “It’s offensive and racist,” Andrew Giles, an Australian Labor politician and shadow cabinet minister, said on Twitter. Former attorney-general Mark Dreyfus tweeted, “If The Australian has any respect for decency and standards it must apologise immediately, and never again publish cartoons like this.”

The Australian’s editor-in-chief, Christopher Dore, stood by the cartoon, saying Leak was mocking Biden’s own words. “The words ‘little black and brown girls’ belong to Joe Biden, not Johannes, and were uttered by the presidential candidate when he named Kamala Harris as his running mate yesterday; he repeated them in a tweet soon after,” Dore said in a note to the newspaper’s staff, provided to Reuters by News Corp.... “The intention of Johannes’s commentary was to ridicule identity politics and demean racism, not perpetuate it.”
In fact, as the article points out, Biden introduced Harris as his running mate by saying, “This morning, all across the nation, little girls woke up - especially Black and brown girls who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities - but today, today, just maybe, they’re seeing themselves for the first time in a new way: as the stuff of presidents and vice presidents.”

That is, Biden used race for political purposes. He said the words "black and brown girls" as he presented his running mate as an exemplar. Maybe that's okay. Maybe that's excellent. But it's not above mockery. The idea that the cartoonist is a racist is an effort to defend Biden, to give him free rein to use race and to make anyone who would criticize him afraid that they'll get called a racist and cancelled.

There are people who think that any use of race is racist. These people are mostly on the right. They'll say that anti-racism demands austere colorblindness. But these people are not dominant in mainstream politics and culture at the moment. So speaking in racial terms is quite common among people who don't want to be considered racist. But no one can control where the line is between the talk about race that's worthy and beneficial and where it begins to get racist. The cartoonist was implying that Biden's use of race is at least a little racist, and one defense of Biden is to say that the cartoonist was racist.

One thing is clear to me: If Biden is going to use race the way he has, he must be open to ridicule for using it the wrong way or using it too much. We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism.

ADDED: Here's the cartoon:

136 comments:

Jersey Fled said...

I think most of us here recognize these gratuitous cries of racism for what they are. I'll bet even our Lefty friends here do too.

For most of us they are just background noise.

Harsh Pencil said...

"We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism."

Then we are (probably) lost.

ga6 said...

Cue Col Jessup: "You can't handle the truth"

Big Mike said...

They'll say that anti-racism demands austere colorblindness.

We sure as Hell do!

But these people are not dominant in mainstream politics and culture at the moment.

And that’s the pity of it all. I hope that people someday look back at these days and ask themselves what the #@&💥 was wrong with Americans of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

rhhardin said...

Both sides are trading on who's more politically correct.

So it's politically correct battle, not a race battle, in the first place.

In the race field, political correctness is about pretending not to notice things that everybody notices but doesn't mention.

Cato said...

Cartoon:

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/1020d9542f112f33d85d8adef6259a66?width=1440

pacwest said...

We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism.

You're not one of those people that are habitually late all the time are you? Cause you are a couple of decades late to this one.

Jeff Brokaw said...

Calling someone a racist used to mean something, and you didn’t hear it all the damn time. Now it means nothing due to overuse.

Blame Democrats.

Kevin said...

The point is there is to be no discussion of race.

Conservatives are not to be speak about it.

Liberals are not to be interrupted.

rhhardin said...

My own experience of race was not noticing any obvious difference, but I went to good schools (through and after Oberlin) and the blacks I knew acted white. The noticing stuff started with black activists on TV news. God are they stupid. Then the followers with them. Maybe it's a race thing, I thought. Averages are not the part of the population I'd been seeing until then.

It doesn't prove anything, in that vein, to pick a smart black for some public job. The average is way lower, and the public policy problem - how to get the average a good life with a lower IQ (affirmative action in various degrees is the current answer) - isn't helped. They're not being held back by racism.

The essential thing is teach good character. The schools teach the opposite, namely that a chip on your shoulder is your only asset. Good character trumps IQ for success.

Lots of whites have low IQs and they just identify as American and fit in where they fit in.

At the moment, little brown and black girls should know that they get every leg up on advancement over even more qualified competition, so a chip on the shoulder is a positive stupidity.

wendybar said...

The Democrat party is a joke. They refuse to talk about Cannon Hinnant until they got embarrassed because they got called out for it, but it would be on the tv 24/7 if the races were opposite. Joe picking a VP based on gender and color is so hilarious coming from the party of "equality for all"..but only if you are black and a woman apparently.

rhhardin said...

It used to be an famous quote to say that there's no sweeter disposition on earth than elderly black women.

Those women may have died by now, replaced by a later-educated cohort.

Michael K said...

Willie Brown knows all about how black and brown girls get ahead.

wendybar said...

Kevin said...
The point is there is to be no discussion of race.

Conservatives are not to be speak about it.

Liberals are not to be interrupted.

8/15/20, 7:58 AM

Excellent point!!!

gilbar said...

Protip
ANYONE, anyone At All; that does not Fully Embrace, the Democrat Church...
Is, BY DEFINITION, Guilty of RACISM!

Biden replied. 'Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you be a Racist.'

Owen said...

What rhhardin said.

Race is a weapon in the same old Kafkatrap. See also “motte and bailey.” When I call you racist, I am just stating a fact about your nasty character and broken worldview. But when you call me racist for doing that, that just proves what a racist you are. Simple.

Seriously: you can’t use logic with these people. It’s a problem of character.

gilbar said...

rhardin said ...
It doesn't prove anything, in that vein, to pick a smart black for some public job. The average is way lower, and the public policy problem


SNL covered this 43 years ago
Julian Bond: That’s an interesting point. My theory is that it’s based on the fact that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.
Garrett Morris: Say what?

rhhardin said...

Australian aborigines have the lowest average IQ of any group (low 60s) so Australia might in fact act as if that's true in some ways, it being just too obvious. I don't know the public debate rules for the Australian culture. It looks like a what-is-to-be-done standard from what I can see, and occasional celebration of aborigines who are on the smart end of the curve in some public way.

Mystery Road (2013) celebrates an aborigine detective and is very good; and leaves in the culture of the less smart half as being normal. There's also racism for the evil to be fought but it's not cited as the cause of everything, unlike US films.

Fernandinande said...

But no one can control where the line is between the talk about race that's worthy and beneficial and where it begins to get racist.

That's probably the strangest and most useless definition of "racist" that I've ever seen.

Gahrie said...

We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism.

Degenerate into? Lady that crocodile has been eating your feet since 1960!

Kevin said...

How far do you have to go to publish a Joe Biden cartoon that uses his own words?

Australia.

rhhardin said...

My theory is that it's based on the fact that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks

The average IQ of US blacks is 86, sub-Saharan blacks 70. The obvious guess is that it's a mixed-race effect on the averages in the US.

Fernandinande said...

The average is way lower,

And it hasn't changed significantly in 100 years.

Birkel said...

The Leftist Collectivists are racists to their respective cores.
Nothing has changed since Democratics ran Mississippi and Alabama.
Boston, Chicago, all of higher ed... Democratics are racist anywhere they are in complete power.

True since the founding of the Democratics Party.

Balfegor said...

One problem (of many) with the mainstream discourse about race in the US is that racism is conflated with racial animus. This works in both directions -- evidence that, e.g. Trump thinks about people in racial terms is treated as evidence of racial animus, and evidence that, e.g. Biden thinks about people in racial terms is dismissed as evidence of racism because of a presumed lack of animus.

But being racist about people -- thinking, as Biden does, that it's unusual for Blacks to be articulate or that Blacks have a racial duty to vote for him, or thinking, as Trump does, that Jews are good with money -- doesn't imply that you want to kill or enslave them. In fact, I think Biden and Trump are racist in pretty much the same way: they clearly rely on racial stereotypes, some offensive, in their thinking. But neither of them seems to have any particular animus against other races. That is "racism" in the weakest sense.

If that were all the racism that existed, though, would we really care about it? I wouldn't. The reason we deplore racism isn't that dotards like Biden are mildly surprised that Blacks aren't all stupid. It's things like lynchings, concentration camps, segregation, Black mobs attacking Koreatown, Dylan Roof. That's what drives the hot emotional outrage over racism.

And there is a weaker outrage over milder racial injustices: people getting blackballed from job interviews because they have stereotypically Black names, ethnic networks (e.g. Chinese or Indians) squeezing out other races from niche industries, Asians with bad grades feeling extra pressure because they're letting down the side in front of the barbarians, etc. Well, maybe not that last. Haha

But the tendency of commentators, intentional or otherwise, to conflate what I call racialised thinking with racial animus turns what really ought to be low stakes observations -- e.g. two old White men think in terms of racial stereotypes, or that a lot of ethnic minorities openly do the same -- into hot high stakes shouting matches because everyone is treating mild racism as though it's on a slippery slope first to apartheid and then to Auschwitz. It just isn't.

Marshall Rose said...

We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism.

I do believe that we are at this point already.

The question becomes, can we step back from the brink?

What happens when those accused, sick of constantly being called racists, and the next step of being vilified as racists despite no evidence, finally shrug their shoulders and say f'it, may as well become one if I'm going to be attacked for it anyway?

Isn't that where this goes? How well did that work out before?

Wince said...

Did the cartoonist intend to make Harris look like Obama in drag?

Fernandinande said...

The point is there is to be no discussion of race.

No serious discussion at least. Blaming everything that's bad on white people is quite popular lately, or haven't you noticed?

Good character trumps IQ for success.

I don't think that's true. Why do you think it is true? (No feelings, please).

The essential thing is teach good character.

I don't think that's possible; why do you think it is possible?

Oso Negro said...

There are people who think that any use of race is racist. These people are mostly on the right.

Use? Or discussion? Yes, affirmative action is racist. Systemic racism, even.


They'll say that anti-racism demands austere colorblindness.

Under the law, yes. On the football field, on the basketball court, in Differential Equations class, it's hard to be colorblind.


But these people are not dominant in mainstream politics and culture at the moment.

Sadly, no. I continue to celebrate black people and their interesting culture, but I refuse to kiss anyone's ass.

rhhardin said...

For Kamala to exhibit a racial chip on her shoulder is a positive disservice to black and brown girls. Imitate that and you'll wind up in the trash. Imitate the opposite.

MD Greene said...

Editorial cartoons work best when they pierce lazy, shopworn presumptions.

The medium has become a caricature of itself in the Age of Trump -- always a fat guy with big hair and a long red tie. We got that message in 2016.

What's interesting in the Australian cartoon (none would dare such here) is that it reminds us of an earlier comment: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

Zing!

Gk1 said...

How naive. You can't criticize anything any democrat does in the popular culture or national media. If you do you are "pouncing" or "Seizing". Its just now democrats are stuck with an embarrassing, senile, opportunist who can't do the racial pandering with style or grace.

The democrats have overused the race card to the point it's so faded and worn you can barely understand what the racial grievance they are trying to redeem it for. It's just a tactic for many of us in this country.

bleh said...

“This morning, all across the nation, little girls woke up - especially Black and brown girls who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities - but today, today, just maybe, they’re seeing themselves for the first time in a new way: as the stuff of presidents and vice presidents.”

I’ve been amazed at how quickly nearly everyone has adopted the new convention of capitalizing “Black.” But not “brown” or “white.” Just “Black.” Is “Black” (capital B) the new “African American”? Or does it apply to all people of black African descent, regardless of nationality or whether they’re descendants of slaves? I’m just trying to understand it.

Are “African Americans” a subset, the American-born descendants of American slavery? Is Barack Obama “African American” or just “Black”?

Rory said...

"There are people who think that any use of race is racist. These people are mostly on the right."

No, that's the centrist position. There's no right or left to race - plenty of segregationists were New Dealers.

rcocean said...

Whenever I hear the word's racist- i don't care. I know its bullshit. "Racism" is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

We need to move on, but the Democrats/Liberal love calling people racists too much, and using it as a weapon. And course, the dumbo Republicans all play along. Probably the happiest day of Mitt Romney's life was when he got some MSM applause for calling Trump a racist.

Darrell said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=ELyr6G4UXUw&feature=emb_logo

rcocean said...

I don't blame blacks and other ethnic minorities for crying racism at every opportunity, after all there's no downside and they get $$ and power by doing so. you have to wonder why whites are so cowed by it, and worry so much about it. Did all the boomers read magazine articles entitled "I was married to a racist monster from outer space?" as teenagers?

Fernandinande said...

but it would be on the tv 24/7 if the races were opposite

Even something as trivial as graffiti spray-painted on a car is international news if a black guy owns the car.

"BLM talk way too much" ha ha. I'm voting for fake until proven otherwise.

Matt Sablan said...

Oh, I thought it was going to be some hard hitting questions about Biden's checkered past with racism and race baiting ("put you all in chains," for example), but it's just a mild critique of tokenism.

Patrick said...

"There are people who think that any use of race is racist. These people are mostly on the right."
Laughably false. People on the right know that racism no longer exists in America. They only use the racisim charge to call out the double standard by the left.

readering said...

Oh good we haven't had a race entry in a few hours.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

There are people who think that any use of race is racist. These people are mostly on the right. They'll say that anti-racism demands austere colorblindness.

Which was a philosophy championed by the American left for the past 50 years that was supposed to lead the nation into racial enlightenment. Why are they reversing course now?

But these people are not dominant in mainstream politics and culture at the moment.

And the people who are dominant in mainstream politics and culture seem Hell-bent on changing that.

rhhardin said...

Mystery Road on imdb shows a free on prime video link
IMDB

I recommend the film.

Bruce Hayden said...

“ At the moment, little brown and black girls should know that they get every leg up on advancement over even more qualified competition, so a chip on the shoulder is a positive stupidity.”

Harris is high class (dot) Indian (Asian) and Black (but not really African American), with a little White to round things out. She was probably raised more Asian than anything else, or at least White/Asian, in that she seems to have had a very good White/Asian work ethic. Both parents had doctorate degrees, which is the opposite of the normal Black experience in this country, where it is more likely that neither parent graduated from high school. Moreover, her mother was apparently Brahmin, who were India’s traditional priests and professionals - and thus likely has hundreds of years of highly educated ancestors on her mother’s side. But then she went Black in order to get preferential treatment throughout college and her political career. But even her Blackness was fake, since she wasn’t descended from former slaves, but rather recent immigrants, who have just the opposite work habits (And helps explain her father’s PhD in Economics). Of course, Obama was little different - raised in the white world by the white side of his family, his black parent (Who was working on a PhD at Harvard) having been a (temporary) immigrant here, but then using his African ancestry to get ahead through Affirmative Action preferences.

What makes this egregious in my mind is that these fake African Americans routinely take the AA positions that Black descendants of slaves should be getting. In my view, the fundamental problem that African Americans face in this country these days is the complete breakdown of their family structure, and a lot of that is a result of their (Dem owned) slave heritage followed by a hundred years of (Dem imposed) Jim Crow discrimination, followed by a half century of (Dem created) welfare dependency that actively subsidizes single parent (fatherless) child rearing. Staying in school and getting an education is being “White” for a lot of African Americans. That is not a burden faced by either Harris or Obama whose Black parent was an immigrant with an advanced degree (Obama’s father returned to his native Kenya before finishing his PhD, but after receiving his Master’s degree from Harvard). Both were primarily raised by their non-Black mothers.

I should note that this is not uncommon. I know several families fairly well where the kids graduated from almost lily white private schools, and found their Blackness when going to college. In one family the parents were Caribbean Blacks. The other family had the half Caribbean Black father often absent for business, and their lily White mother (We dated 50 years ago, and are still close) doing most of the child raising, and living mostly with their White extended family. All these kids benefitted from Affirmative Action.

Sebastian said...

"We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism."

"if"?

You, a law professor, who worked at UW, in Madison, WI, and voted Dem for much of your life.

I don't recall exactly, but did you look on blankly and nod or did you object when John Lewis et al. used race as a manipulative tool by smearing the Tea Partiers as racists?

Phil 314 said...

I find the phrase “little brown and black girls” and the fact that Kamala Harris has within her heritage African and Indian (as in East India) interesting. We are slowly moving towards the color mentality regardless of ethnicity. Will we see and hear more Indian-Americans pull the race/color card in spite of their background (for many. I’m thinking of the doctors and engineers) of privilege and upper caste in their native India?

In the same manner will Republicans in 2024 claim Nikki Haley is “a person of color”?

Sebastian said...

By the way, as a matter identity-politics calculation, how should Indian-Americans respond to the selection of a half-Indian, one-quarter-black candidate who identifies as black and plays down her elite Indian background?

Phil 314 said...

An additional interesting aspect of this race/color conflict, according to Pew, 1 in 7 Black Americans is either foreign born or second generation American.


(Go to Pew Key facts about black immigrants in the U.S and this “In total, black immigrants and their children make up roughly one-fifth (18%) of the overall black population in the U.S.”)

Paco Wové said...

"everyone is treating mild racism as though it's on a slippery slope first to apartheid and then to Auschwitz. It just isn't."

I'd only disagree with the "slippery slope" characterization here. As we saw in the comments to Althouse's posts two days ago regarding Charlottesville, for some loud and simple people, not wanting to tear down a statue right now makes you functionally equivalent to a racist and a neo-Nazi.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

the cartoon is accurate.
In depicting Joe's racism.
The reaction is standard lefty.

How dare you mock a democrat - racist.

Ray said...

One should read/listen to thoughts and comments by Kira Davis (She's black). the editor of Red State. I find her opinion about race insightful and reveling. I too, was a "we shouldn't see color" person, but she's helped me to realize if I want to connect with the black community, I/we must talk in terms of color because that's how they see things. To say, "I don't see color" is heard by Blacks as you aren't listening to them. I also have begun to understand that many Blacks feel like a child going on vacation with their Dad's new family. Even though they are welcomed, they never feel like they belong. (My understanding of her words.)

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The media are all lying - saying that Trump is promoting birther stuff about Harris.

LIE. Our media are hot garbage.

Howard said...

More, please. You people need to stay edgie on racially hot topics, it's definitely your strong suit.

Big Mike said...

@wendybar (8:02), consider that the media only spent a day or two on the murder of little 8 year old Secoriea Turner, and she was a black child killed by black men. It’s as though the media regard murders by black men as being a “dog bites man” sort of not newsworthy occurrence.

Crimso said...

"Can Biden escape criticism for the political use of race by accusing the critics of racism?"

Well, it isn't Biden in this case accusing critics of racism. Note the Biden campaign was asked to comment and declined. There is no chance they would not seize (or pounce) on this if they thought it would help them. That tells me they don't want to draw attention to Biden's comments.

rhhardin said...

"Good character trumps IQ for success."

I don't think that's true. Why do you think it is true? (No feelings, please).

"The essential thing is teach good character."

I don't think that's possible; why do you think it is possible?


Good character makes you economically valuable. You're hired help without being problem help. With a job and acquired skills, you fit in and move up with experience. Low IQ limits your fields but not fitting in. It's the same with low IQ whites, who are simply Americans.

Teaching good character is easy but you've got to do it. It might look like operant conditioning but it's about giving responsibility and holding to it, a moral component.

Bruce Hayden said...

“ or thinking, as Trump does, that Jews are good with money”

Well, statistically, they are. Ashkenazi Jews supposedly have IQs statistically roughly 1 STD above the mean. They may be the smartest demographic group in the world. But their higher IQs are apparently mostly a result of a fairly narrow mathematical advantage - they essentially handle calculating with numbers better than anyone else. And that appears to be the result of better than a millennium of selective breeding to be money lenders and merchants. They were limited (mostly) by the Christian majority that they lived within to those sorts of trades. And the more money they had, the bigger the family they could afford to have. Thus, the genes for being good with money were selected for, since those who excelled in this regard had the most descendants. But this came at a price - a significant number of genetic disorders due probably to inbreeding.

But we are talking averages. Probably 1/3 of my fraternity, at the time, was Jewish, and some of them couldn’t handle money at all well. It was a running joke. Still is. But they weren’t the ones to go to B School, and thence Wall Street, ultimately controlling a huge segment of the wealth in this country (or into Real Estate in NYC), etc. These are the Jews that Trump dealt with in NYC, and that he is talking about.

Qwinn said...

Ray: I don't connect with "communities"... and thinking you can or should is itself tribal/racist. I connect with individuals. An individual, black or white or anything else, who insists that everything must be seen through the prism of race isn't solving the problem, they are the problem, and "connecting" with such an explicitly tribal racist "community" cannot lead to any improvement in individual relations, it can (and has, look around you) only made things worse.

Paco Wové said...

"One should read/listen to thoughts and comments by Kira Davis (She's black). the editor of Red State. I find her opinion about race insightful and reve[a]ling"

Any links not behind a paywall?

"I also have begun to understand that many Blacks feel like ... they are welcomed, they never feel like they belong."

And? I'm at a loss to understand what the majority white population is supposed to do about that. I understand that being a member of an ethnic or cultural minority is almost always an uncomfortable situation, because I've been in that boat. It's very hard not to feel like an outsider, that you'll never really belong, or get the joke, and to be somewhat paranoid as a result. (And sometimes that paranoia is justified.) But I have yet to see anyone propose a realistic fix for what is probably an unfixable situation.

Freeman Hunt said...

How do you have a story about a political cartoon in your paper without including the cartoon? Bad journalism.

Kay said...

“Go for a lie down” sounds like something an Australian would say, not an American.

hombre said...

Even in Oz Trump haters realize if they can’t keep Biden hidden, they have to run interference for him. There are many reasons why his previous campaigns pulled up short, but the biggie was that he is a dishonest dunce. He is now a demented dishonest dunce, but The Corrupt Party has “evolved” and that is unimportant.

When you think about Kamala Harris taking over as President from this pathetic old mess, the Democratic platform, the corrupt Obama Administration and the resurgence of AOC and her consorts, it does call to mind Kruschev pounding his shoe on the table yelling, “We will bury you.”

Say, do you think any rank and file Democrats have read the Party Platform?

Martin said...

The cartoon is critical of Biden for his long history of racist comments.

Period.

As for the people calling the carttoon racist, every single evil, lying one of the can go to hell.

Bilwick said...

Bruce Hayden: I have a friend, a Jewish woman "of a certain age," who revels in the fact (at least she accepts it as a fact) that Jews are good with money. A Gentile, I often kid her about this, so whenever she exults in some bargain she has benefitted from, I say, "Your blood sings with ancestral pride, doesn't it?" And she admits that it does.

n.n said...

Sex and race, gender, too? Perhaps social class. Diversity politics. Diversity dogma.

little girls woke up - especially Black and brown girls who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities

Biden gaffe or epiphany?

Browndog said...

Racism isn't real.

It's a manufactured tactic.

Stop fighting battles in wars that don't exist, and can't possibly win.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Will we see and hear more Indian-Americans pull the race/color card in spite of their background (for many. I’m thinking of the doctors and engineers) of privilege and upper caste in their native India?”

I think that we will see just the opposite. Asians now face the same sort of discrimination and quotas that Jews faced up through maybe a half century ago (as a Gentile, I was mostly unaware of it, until my GF through B School repeatedly pointed it out - she went to Brown, because at the time, it was the only Ivy accepting Jews). Jews then became White, and effectively disappeared as a minority in terms of college admissions, allowing their percentage at our top schools sky rocket. Last week, the DOJ sued Yale over its alleged practices of discriminating against Asians. That is the tip of the ice berg. Anti Asian discrimination is rampant esp at the top schools in the country, where Asians tend to work far harder than other ethnic groups to get admitted and thus tend to have better qualifications on paper. That is a big part of why colleges are dropping SATs, and college Admissions Offices are using a more “holistic” admissions system, in order to give non-Asians special preferences for not having spent their high school careers trying to game the college admissions process. Thus, they will now often give more points for working with indigenous peoples somewhere in the world, over 800 SATs and >4.0 GPAs. The obvious solution, for the discriminated against Asians, is to do what the Jews did, and become “white”, at least in regards to college admissions.

n.n said...

I'm at a loss to understand what the majority white population is supposed to do about that

Reject diversity dogma. Whether it is ethnicity, sex, gender, social, or some other class-based, low-information taxonomic system, process, or belief, don't exercise liberal license to indulge it. At least not where it does not or should not be significant. Lose your Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic quasi-religious/moral ("ethical") philosophy. Color bias is normal, prejudice and bigotry are progressive conditions. #PrinciplesMatter #HateLovesAbortion

n.n said...

re: religions and quasi-religions (e.g. relativistic "ethics") #PrinciplesMatter #AllLivesMatter #BabyLivesMatter

little girls woke up... feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities

One-child? Selective-child? Pro-Choice quasi-religious philosophy. The ouroboros effect.

Jupiter said...

Former attorney-general Mark Dreyfus tweeted, “If The Australian has any respect for decency and standards it must apologise immediately, and never again publish cartoons like this.”

"Tweeted" seems a particularly appropriate verb for what former attorney-general and still parakeet-admiral Mark Dreyfus did.

Jupiter said...

"We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism."

Are you suggesting that we aren't lost already? Have you looked around recently? Does this look like Kansas?

LA_Bob said...

Thank goodness we only have eight more years to live with this crap courtesy of Sandra Day O'Connor!

Ken B said...

“ We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism.”

Fine people, back in chains, hands up don’t shoot.

Ken B said...

“ We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism.”

Fine people, back in chains, hands up don’t shoot.

Ken B said...

There are two broad styles of racism, the snarling hatred of Bull Connor or the condescending “white man's burden” of John Calhoun. Biden and the Democrats exude the second. The cartoon points out just how condescending Biden's comments were.

Michael K said...

Bilwick said...
Bruce Hayden: I have a friend, a Jewish woman "of a certain age," who revels in the fact (at least she accepts it as a fact) that Jews are good with money. A Gentile, I often kid her about this, so whenever she exults in some bargain she has benefitted from, I say, "Your blood sings with ancestral pride, doesn't it?" And she admits that it does.


One of the young surgeons I was associated with in practice used to call himself "A Jewish Mutant" because he was lousy with money.

On the other hand, a young surgeon who I took into partnership near my retirement felt it necessary to tell me he was "half Jewish" as if I had not suspected since he trained at Cedars in LA. Frankly, I was surprised they would accept him at only "half."

Of course, after I had back surgery and had to retire, he cheated me out of $130,000 so maybe it was fair to warn me.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Ray said...

...I/we must talk in terms of color because that's how they see things. To say, "I don't see color" is heard by Blacks as you aren't listening to them.

I'm 56 years old. For at least 50 of those years I've been told the opposite by both progressive whites and blacks. Why the sudden change? Also, why after all these years is there no reciprocation on their part? Why can't they meet me half way?

I also have begun to understand that many Blacks feel like a child going on vacation with their Dad's new family. Even though they are welcomed, they never feel like they belong.

Been there, done that, and realized after a while that it was all in my head. Why can I do this, but they can't?

Lnelson said...

About 10 years ago, lefty Jon Stewart, of Comedy Central, told a black guest that the race card was overdrawn.
The problem for the left is that they have little else but racism.
The problem for the right is that they have little right to opine on racism.
The problem for the country is the craven media.

Because there is too much hay to be made, by both politicians and the media, the legacy of slavery will haunt this nation until our democracy dies...sigh.

wendybar said...

Big Mike said...
@wendybar (8:02), consider that the media only spent a day or two on the murder of little 8 year old Secoriea Turner, and she was a black child killed by black men. It’s as though the media regard murders by black men as being a “dog bites man” sort of not newsworthy occurrence.

8/15/20, 9:33 AM

You are right...but at LEAST she got a day or two...they ignored Cannon until the backlash was happening on Social media.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...


“Go for a lie down”

When I saw the cartoon this was the part that registered most with me. As many have commented, the brown girl stuff is just the usual, now essentially meaningless, blather. But the implication that Biden is enfeebled passes without comment, as though it’s a given. That can’t be good for the Donk’s prospects.

Interesting too, that all this is in the context of battling for Black votes. When was the last time anyone thought a significant amount of the Black vote was in play for the Republicans? Another reason to think that what the DNC is hearing privately is very different from what’s being said publicly.

gadfly said...

Fact: The cartoon is racist - end of story.

And for your enjoyment, here is the story of Trump's racism.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

That little brown girl was she.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

That little brown girl was she.

Fernandinande said...

Teaching good character is easy but you've got to do it.

Cite? Twin studies, etc?

If it was easy, people would do it, just like if it was possible to raise intelligence, people would do it. They don't because they can't, not because they don't try (usually).

But [Jews] higher IQs are apparently mostly a result of a fairly narrow mathematical advantage

"How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah."

[That's money ability and also the ability to deal with people and figure out "what the public wants" while running large corporations]

"The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)" ...

[That's writing. They seem to write most comedies and movie scripts, not to mention all those books...]

"The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies....

Without us, you’d be flipping between “The 700 Club” and “Davey and Goliath” on TV all day."

MayBee said...

Balfegor at 8:22- really good stuff there

FWBuff said...

Remember how the American media criticized George HW Bush for his racial insensitivity when he referred to his own half-Mexican grandchildren as “the little brown ones”?

MayBee said...

I would add the way we run our politics currently actually encourages us to see people in racial terms. "the black vote" the "Hispanic vote" "white women". Because some percentage of people from each group vote a certain way, we are told those votes are the votes of that group.

It's hard for me to get my head around the idea that our politics have gotten so race focused in ways that is simply unacceptable in life. Gain would never advertise that it is the detergent for black people or that real black people use Gain Scent Beads. But our politics encourages it, and then discourages noticing it.

Balfegor said...

Re: Bruce Hayden:

Difference between Asians and Jews is Jews have always been "White" in American racial classification. Anyone with the slightest doubt on this point, see the careers of Judah Benjamin and David Yulee for evidence. That doesn't mean they weren't subject to prejudice -- there have been quite powerful inter-White ethic tensions in the past. But Jews didn't ever have to become White. When race, rather than religion, has been salient in the US, Jews have been on the White side of the line.

East Asians, in contrast, have never been White. Leaving aside whether Asians would even be willing to self-classify as White, Asians have always been viewed as distinct even when they've been allowed the use of White segregated facilities. E.g., from Harlan's dissent in Plessy v Ferguson:

There is a race so different from our own that we do not permit those belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race. But, by the statute in question, a Chinaman can ride in the same passenger coach with white citizens of the United States, while citizens of the black race in Louisiana, many of whom, perhaps, risked their lives for the preservation of the Union, who are entitled, by law, to participate in the political control of the State and nation, who are not excluded, by law or by reason of their race, from public stations of any kind, and who have all the legal rights that belong to white citizens, are yet declared to be criminals, liable to imprisonment, if they ride in a public coach occupied by citizens of the white race.

Chuck said...

I like the cartoon.

Biden and Harris, smiling together, associated with the American flag. Biden looks healthy and strong in the depiction. And Harris appears much more like an African-American, than a Jamaican-Indian-American.

And the witlessness of the joke works to their advantage. (As indicated by the whiny, victimization mood of the Althouse commentariat.)

ga6 said...

Howard: Do you know that the phrase "you people" is considered racists by educated blacks? I think you should attend a struggle session and reform.

Ray said...

Sorry Paco, it was on a podcast not hers. I've read a few of her articles not behind the paywall. A little secret: Turn off JAVA and try reloading the article. Shhh, don't tell anyone.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Chuck is thrilled with Kleptocratic Joe. Anyone surprised?

rhhardin said...

Teaching good character is easy but you've got to do it.

Cite? Twin studies, etc?


Send your sullen teen into the military and see what comes out. The most common thing in the world.

It just changes the role models.

John henry said...

Re Mystery Road

There are actually 2. One is a 6-8 part series, available on Amazon Prime with an Acorn subscription. I think you can buy or rent episodes too.

I saw it last year and found it excellent.

It is also a movie on which the series is based. Same main, aborigine detective played by Aaron Pederson in both.

It recently became free on Prime. It is at the top of my watch once I finish watching Chicago PD. Only 4-1/2 seasons to go!

Pederson also had a prominent role in the Jack Irish series. Excellent series and he did a great job.

John Henry

JaimeRoberto said...

C'mon man. You should know by now that any criticism of a Democrat, especially of the brown and black ones, is racist. This stuff has been going on for decades. The Dems use it as their shield.

Ray said...

To those that look at people as individuals: Go ahead. Stand on your principles. I'm not saying your wrong. But, if you want to talk to the Black community you'll have to meet them on their terms. At least at first. I haven't changed by beliefs, I just want to listen first. Until they feel heard, nothing will change. Because Blacks often live together and are very social,they are fed only one view of the World. That's what Community Organizers do. I saw it within the local Latino community as an employee and friend told me Republicans are racists. I told him I was Republican and "would I be racist having invited him to my daughters wedding." He looked confused.
Any way, here we are. If change is possible it will start with relationship, and that only happens if we start by listening. Then we can agree to disagree. We do that with family members, let's invite them in.

John henry said...

Can someone please explain the "birther" issue with Harris?

She was born in California and as far as I can tell there is no question about that.

So how does the the birther issue arise?

I do think there is a citizenship question that she could easily resolve.

I may have been the first one to raise this issue last week here in the comments.

Because of her father, she was born with Jamaican citizenship as well as US citizenship. I don't think there is any question about this. Jamaican law is pretty clear.

The 14th Amendment says:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Nothing in there about being solely subject to US jurisdiction though some people argue that is implied.

I don't see it myself but I am not a constitutional scholar.

Ted Cruz was also a dual citizen by birth. I don't remember many people complaining that this made him a non-natural born citizen. I did, pointing out that he was/is citizen by statute, not by constitution. I still believe that.

McCain may have been a Panamanian citizen as well as a US citizen. Some, like me, complained about his non-constitutional, statutory, citizenship. I don't remember any discussion of possible panamanian citizenship.

I have no question that Kamala is constitutionally eligible to serve as VP or Prez. She IS a "natural born citizen" as far as I can tell.

My question, which she could easily resolve is whether she is still a Jamaican citizen or whether she has formally renounced it?

The other question I have is, if she is still a Jamaican citizen, do we want a person with dual citizenship as VP, potentially president?

And a third question is: Why is it "racist" to ask this question about her citizenship?

John Henry

Phil 314 said...

" "we shouldn't see color" person, but she's helped me to realize if I want to connect with the black community, I/we must talk in terms of color because that's how they see things."

There a word for that:

Racist

John henry said...

Re Kamala's mother, Kamala does not have Indian citizenship through her.

What she does have, is status as a "Person of Indian Origin". This is an official Indian status that gives here the right to enter India, work and do some other things that non-Indians can't. The little bit I know about it makes it sound analogous to a US Green Card.

She can't vote and cannot get an Indian passport and can't do some other things.

John Henry

John henry said...

In June of 14, after his Canadian citizenship became an issue, Ted Cruz went to the Canadian embassy and formally renounced it.

He claimed he had never realized that he was a Canadian citizen and most people pretended to believe. I found that pretty far-fetched but he's a politician. What else is he going to do, tell the truth?

Good for him, but it still doesn't, IMHO, make him constitutionally eligible. Ditto McCain, regardless of whether or not he was a Panamanian citizen.

So has Kamala renounced her Jamaican citizenship?

If so, she can clear this up very easily.

John Henry

John henry said...

Here's another question I'd like to see her asked but will not hold my breath:

"Kamala, you grew up mainly in an Indian household. As a person of mixed Indian/African-American heritage, what made you decide to identify as African-American instead of Indian?"

John Henry

John henry said...

Blogger Ken B said...

There are two broad styles of racism, the snarling hatred of Democrat Party National Committeeman Bull Connor

Fixed it for you.

John Henry

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

little girls woke up - especially Black and brown girls who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities

Asians. They're like pork-- "The Other White Meat"
Do they sorta throw a spanner into the race-works?

DKWalser said...

The cartoonist also depicts the US flag being hung improperly. (The blue union should be on the observer's upper left.) I'm not sure if this was done purposely or out of ignorance. However, it could be a subtle dig at the Democrats' lack of respect for the flag.

Ray said...

"Why can I do this, but they can't?"
They can do it, they just haven't got their yet. To continue the metaphor: it's like the the ex-wife talking in the kids ear every day, "Your Dad left you , he doesn't really care." The Ex-wife being Community Organizers. A few break out like you, see: "Uncle Tom" by Larry Elder. But most are only hearing the one voice that talks to their lesser angels ("Get even").

Yancey Ward said...

The cartoon is clearly non-racist- it is simply mocking Biden's use of Black and brown (and note, that I wrote it this way before I even noticed the article itself capitalized one color but not the other).

A better cartoon would have had Biden saying something like, "This morning, all across the nation, dementia sufferers woke up - especially old men, who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities.

Ray said...

"There a word for that: Racist"

You're probably right, but here we are. Those racist lies have been the only explanation given for what they experience. They Black community have been used (along with others) for political gain. If the first words out of our mouth is: "You are being brainwashed." The response will be: "They told me you'd say that." What if our first words are: "I hear you. tell me how we can fix that without being vengeful?". This is not agreeing to any premise or solution, just a starting point to explain things another way.

n.n said...

Ditto McCain, regardless of whether or not he was a Panamanian citizen.

Constitutional jurisdiction is tied to people as in "We the People... and our Posterity", not geography which is claimed and defended. Natural born should, to mitigate ambiguity, ensure solidarity, be a reference to mom and dad, and everyone else is naturalized through an administrative process.

mikee said...

Joe Biden's opinions, policies, history, accusations of racism, running mate selection are all thrown into clear insignificance, because Joe Biden has dementia. The man should be called out for what he is - a dementia sufferer, who has no business running for a position of responsibility and authority.

Bay Area Guy said...

"Can Biden escape criticism for the political use of race by accusing the critics of racism?"

No.

Simple formulation:

1. In the 1950s, it was wrong to be a Communist. (Stalin murdered millions)

2 But it was wrong to falsely accuse someone of a being a Communist.

Fast forward 70 years.

1. It's wrong to be a racist.

2. But it's wrong to falsely accuse someone of being a racist.

Number 2 has become 10x more common than Number 1. The poster boy for this is Jussie Smollett. Also see, Duke Lacross team. Also, Charlottesville re Trump comments. Also see Michael "Hands-up, don't shoot" Brown, the cop was investigated by Obama's DOJ, who declined to press charges.

The Democrat Party specializes in Number 2. They live it. They breath it. They bath in it.

The Democrats are horrible people. They enable and encourage violence and racial toxicity.

Rory said...

"what made you decide to identify as African-American instead of Indian?"

Math class is tough.

Drago said...

LLR-lefty Chuck: "Biden and Harris, smiling together, associated with the American flag. Biden looks healthy and strong in the depiction. And Harris appears much more like an African-American, than a Jamaican-Indian-American."

And the ChiCom's look on in admiration as the democrat activists like LLR-lefty Chuck lie to themselves....without any prompting.

Ex-members of Pravda are also amazed at how the leftists in the US like Chuck maintain narrative discipline.

Next thing you know LLR-lefty Chuck will be telling us how Biden is helping his grandkids with their calculus in the complex plane.

The only way for Biden to more of LLR-lefty Chuck's passionate support would be to lie about his vietnam service like Blumenthal did.

Gahrie said...

McCain may have been a Panamanian citizen as well as a US citizen. Some, like me, complained about his non-constitutional, statutory, citizenship

When McCain was born the Panama Canal Zone was legally American territory. He was born in the United States, just as everyone in Puerto Rico is born in the United States.

Gahrie said...

Gain would never advertise that it is the detergent for black people or that real black people use Gain Scent Beads.

Are you sure? Look at what ESPN, Nike and major league sports are doing to their audiences.

effinayright said...

@ John Henry:

You might read this....

https://reason.com/2020/08/10/yes-kamala-harris-is-indeed-a-natural-born-citizen/

MD Greene said...

Thanks to Balfegor for the Asian example from Harlan's dissent in Plessy v. Ferguson.

bagoh20 said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
bagoh20 said...

"There are people who think that any use of race is racist. These people are mostly on the right. They'll say that anti-racism demands austere colorblindness. "

That's just completely backwards. People on the Right don't care much about race, that's one of the basic characteristics that separates Left from Right. When someone on the Right criticizes someone for being racist, it's almost always because the person is being a hypocrite on the Left. The Right is using the Left's favorite weapon back on them. The Right would be happy if race just disappeared, but the Left lives off it. They have accused every single person on the Right of being a racist, individually, and by the millions. It's their first attack, their second, and 90% of what follows.

Ask yourself, what would the Left have to talk about if race disappeared? The right has a whole bunch of issues that have nothing to do with race. How many issues are their on the Left that do not involve race? If fighting about race is what you want, you must vote Democrat. If you think there is more to life, or that so much attention on race is counter-productive, then you must vote against Democrats.

Joan said...

Fernandinande questions whether character can be taught.

Here are some resources used in elementary schools that are trying to do just that. It's difficult if you don't get support at home, but it is possible. My favorites are the first two, which are aligned; we use them at my school. The third is a system one of my former schools sent me to training for as a sort of a pilot test, but with something like this, you have to have buy-in from every teacher and administrative support or it's not going to work. (Since I was one of two teachers with the training, and only one admin had it, it didn't work.)

Discipline with Purpose - literally everyone could benefit from this program, which teaches 15 skills (if you practice, you get better!) starting with Listening and ending with Service to Others.

Teach for Transformation works with DWP but focuses on supporting *teachers* help students' socio-emotional development. But again, everyone could benefit from this kind of training in how to treat other people with care and respect, and how to *manage* children in an effective way.

Capturing Kids' Hearts covers a lot of the same ground but was much more amorphous and harder to implement, but it has been out there for quite a while.

None of this stuff is particularly new. The real problem is the millions of children who are literally never exposed to anything like character development at home. Even when I was struggling to implement the CKH methods in my 95% Hispanic-speaking immigrant school, with the students openly mocking the processes we were going through, I was eventually able to get them to admit that the new rules and behaviors were making a positive difference... in my classroom. The problem was, all that was forgotten the instant they walked out. For example, in my classroom we had discussed how we would resolve conflicts so they didn't escalate into shouting matches or worse, and it actually worked. One day we had a successful conflict resolution in class and everyone involved had calmed down and done their work. Just as class ended, a fight erupted a little ways down campus, and literally every single student dashed over there to watch when they left my room. If the entire campus had a CKH focus, perhaps that would have been avoided. The students were pumped about the fight. They considered it excellent entertainment.

You have to set high expectations, teach the skills necessary, and be consistent. Consistency is the most important thing, but teaching the skills can't be ignored. Telling someone to listen if they don't know how is pointless. If children aren't getting it at home but they get 8+ hours a day of it at school, there's a possibility it may actually stick. If Black Lives Matter really wanted to help black families, they would be holding parenting workshops to help black families raise more responsible children. But since BLM wants to tear down our society and culture, the very idea they would do that is ludicrous.

hstad said...

8/15/20, 7:48 AM
Blogger rhhardin said...
Both sides are trading on who's more politically correct. 8/15/20, 7:49 AM

By side if you mean politicians, I may agree with your statement, except for Trump that's why he resonates with all people regardless of political affiliation, race, religion, sex, etc.

But "Racism" today is really an outgrowth of the "race hustlers" meme of our time going back to the '50s (probably earlier) through today. Look at "Obama", he was no American Black, fathered by a Kenyan father, and White Kansas mother. Raised by wealthy grandparents in Hawaii, where he had to compete with other races Asians, Hawaiians, etc. Now we are asked to believe "Kamala Harris" who is another "fake" African American, since her upbringing wasn't as a 'American Black'. Race hustlers will always be the winners and since the '60s African Americans have been taken for a bumpy race ride by these charlatans. Only Trump is now actively courting Blacks and Hispanics and it looks like it may pay dividends come November.

bagoh20 said...

""I also have begun to understand that many Blacks feel like ... they are welcomed, they never feel like they belong."

And who reminds constantly that they should feel that way. If you want to feel like everyone else, stop thinking you are special. When people try to tell you that you are, tell them to STFU.

John henry said...

Blogger Gahrie said...

When McCain was born the Panama Canal Zone was legally American territory. He was born in the United States, just as everyone in Puerto Rico is born in the United States.

Actually, no. Birth in the Canal Zone is not the same as being born in "the united states"

If it was, any Panamanian born in the canal zone would be a natural born citizen the same as if born in California or New Jersey.

Here's the law as of 1952 which would have applied to McCain.

8 U.S. Code § 1403 - Persons born in the Canal Zone or Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904

(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1403

Emph added

So a citizen because of who his father/mother were, not because of where he was born.

As would be most people born to a citizen mother and father.

But it is citizenship by statute and parentage not citizenship by the Constitution and place of birth.

There were also some special citizenship carveouts for children of Panama Canal company employees but that's another issue.

John Henry

John henry said...

Puerto Rico is different. Puerto Ricans, like my late father in law, became citizens by statute in 1917.

In 1941, Congress defined "the United States" to include PR for citizenship purposes. Anyone born in PR after 1941 has the same, constitutional, citizenship as someone born in Iowa.

For people born in PR between 1917 and 1941, it is unclear whether they were born in the United States for citizenship purposes or whether they were statutory citizens.

Other than running for president, this has no practical meaning.

Here is the definition of "The United States"

(38) The term “United States”, except as otherwise specifically herein provided, when used in a geographical sense, means the continental United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_38

Persons born in American Samoa and Swain's Island are defined in the USC as "Nationals but not citizens" and carry a passport with that disclaimer.

Tulsi Gabbard is a citizen because of her parents.

However, I just now found that last year a federal judge declared Samoans to be citizens by birth in Samoa so don't really know (or much care) what their status is now.

John Henry

John henry said...

Blogger wholelottasplainin' said...

@ John Henry:

You might read this....

https://reason.com/2020/08/10/yes-kamala-harris-is-indeed-a-natural-born-citizen/

See my note at 11:52 where I said:

I have no question that Kamala is constitutionally eligible to serve as VP or Prez. She IS a "natural born citizen" as far as I can tell.

That is true whether or not she is still also a Jamaican citizen.

While we can elect a person with dual citizenship, my concern is whether we should do it.

Besides a million other reasons not to elect Biden or Harris.

John Henry

Leland said...

The cartoonist's Joe Biden looks more like Bill Kristol, which is easy to understand.

Dude1394 said...

"We are lost if we let American culture degenerate into power-seekers who use race as a manipulative tool and masses of people who look on blankly and nod because they don't know how to object without getting accused of racism."

Where exactly have you been for the last 20-40 years?

bagoh20 said...

I think I have pretty good character. I wish I had more courage, and discipline, but who doesn't. I don't lie unless it's to someone trying to hurt me or someone else, and I don't cheat, sexually or otherwise, I don't steal, or even take advantage of things I could legally take unless I need them and they will be wasted. I help lots strangers, but especially those close to me. It's probably my single greatest expense, even more than food and housing, but probably less than taxes, which I hope helps someone.

Assuming I do have good character, where did I learn it? I think I learned it from stories: books, history, TV shows, movies, and music. The heroes in all that are what inspired me. I wanted to be like them. I respected, and even loved them and the way they acted to face challenges, and treated people around them, especially the weak.

My parents were good, hardworking, responsible people and demanded good behavior from me, but they couldn't really control it if I wanted to do otherwise. When I was free to do as I wanted or even urged by friends to do the wrong thing, I usually resisted, sometimes enduring abuse for it, even knowing no one would find out. I did break rules all the time, but refused to do anything that would hurt people in even the slightest way. I attribute all that is good in me to the stories of my youth, and even new ones now that show me exceptional people of good character whether they won or lost. There are so many real heroes, and they get a fraction of the credit of the fake ones. I didn't get much from teachers, except exposure to the stories. I can't think that trying to teach character would work as well as just showing youths where to look for it, and letting them discover it. It has to be a personal discovery to work when nobody is watching.

Jersey Fled said...

Fun Fact of the day:

1st African American U.S. Senator

Hiram R, Revels, R-Mississippi, 1870


1st Italian American U.S. Senator

John Pastore, D-Rhode Island, 1950

Kevin said...

If the parties were reversed the media would be asking Joe if Kamala was “clean” enough to be President.

Instead they cover his racism.

Gospace said...

About that 1950s Bay Area Guy.

It was a political sin among the elite to accuse anyone of being a Communist, most especially if they were one. Especially if you were a dumpy little nobody accusing one of the elite with proof.

walter said...

Come on, man!
He should have used the term "melanated" and somehow mentioned roaches.

rhhardin said...

Mental illness brought to politics, ABC Australia news live sidebar on youtube offers 8/13 Rachael Maddow highlights
Rachael Maddow Highlights

As I recall, the switch of the golf course was an Obama administration decision. But it gets better. with impressively nuts CIA analyst concern.

I'd suggest racism framing is a mental illness manifestation as well.

Eric said...

1. I love when a posting on the web, an inherently visual medium, about controversy over a carton doesn't show the cartoon.

2. Thanks for showing it. Frankly, I think it is an illustration of the nightmares with which Biden's people live every day.

doctrev said...

Fernandinande said...

Without us, you’d be flipping between “The 700 Club” and “Davey and Goliath” on TV all day."

8/15/20, 10:51 AM

A lot of people might take that deal, given the current collapse in Hollywood profits, and that's the kindest thing I'm willing to say about it.

DEEBEE said...

Ann, you just flung me, at least, to the right. If Gorsuch can use that logic template to redefine sex, why not race. Too, being a brown man should I condemn your flinging as racist?

n.n said...

It will be a big deal when they start hanging Marge in effigy. Otherwise, this is just an event on the theoretical black hole... whore h/t NAACP... horizon, which will be published and debated an hour or several trimesters by the press and then be heard no more. Apologies to Shakespeare.