The Suburban Housewives of America must read this article. Biden will destroy your neighborhood and your American Dream. I will preserve it, and make it even better! https://t.co/1NzbR57Oe6— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2020
The argument for capitalizing "Black" is that "For many people, Black reflects a shared sense of identity and community." Now, think about "The Suburban Housewives of America." Who are these people? Women in the home-based half of a single-earner household — suburban-home-based. Is this a very large group? Is it a group with "a shared sense of identity and community"? Does Trump want to stimulate a feeling of shared identity and community within this set of people? Apparently he wants them to see themselves as a specific and specifically endangered group: Biden will destroy your neighborhood and your American Dream.
Click through to the link and see how long it takes you to figure out Biden's plot to destroy the suburban housewife dream.
I grew up with the suburban housewife dream, and I think it was destroyed long ago. It might be a good dream, worth restimulating. Let's discuss it. I've discussed it for years under my "single-earner household" tag. But I don't think Biden's vague aspirations about racial diversity in the suburbs are what could destroy what's left of the suburban housewife dream. The dream is eroded and obscured by a culture that encourages everyone to get a job and undervalues the role of the home-based partner in a single-earner household. Ironically, the phrase "suburban housewife" is part of the culture that undermines the single-earner household. It sounds like it's assigned to the woman because of her sex, and it sounds subordinate and dull.
When you read "The Suburban Housewives of America," what was your mental image? Did you picture women living in the present? If you flashed back to some housewife of the past, did she look like a fuzzy-slippered frump in "The Far Side" or like Mary Tyler Moore on "The Dick Van Dyke Show"?
ADDED: Speaking of the grouping of women into a traditional stereotype for political exploitation, there are these "moms":
I recognize a lot of the so-called “moms” as the same antifa women who dressed in black as recent as a couple days ago. They just put on a yellow shirt now for optics. Most of these people aren’t mothers & many don’t even identify as female. #PortlandRiots pic.twitter.com/UPffcao0fv
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) July 22, 2020
Does everyone have a yellow T-shirt waiting to be pulled out of the laundry?
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All I could wonder about is the excuse they'd use to keep them out of Chappaqua...
There are a number of reality shows called "The Housewives of Beverly Hills/New Jersey/Atlanta...". The women in these shows don't really fit the 50s conception of the housewife. Perhaps Trump is tapping into these associations.
I think many married women who work outside the home still consider themselves housewives. Obviously, Trump is focusing on the one demographic he may have lost support from 2016. He is using fear (rightfully so) to make them aware what Biden attends to do to their community. For the Democrats, its about diluting the middle class vote in the communities they may be in the minority, by using voters in areas they have an abundance of support. All the racial stuff is just window dressing.
Believe it or not, I pictured Samantha Stevens. Nose twitch and all.
I imagined a reality show: Real Housewives of [Wherever]. It's hard to not see it as some kind of formal group.
The two-income family killed the dream of the suburban housewife lifestyle. In fact, the two-income family is behind a lot of today's social ills, including income inequality and social stratification (doctors used to marry nurses, now they marry other doctors; executives used to marry their secretaries, now they marry other executives), childhood alienation (two-working parents means kids need more supervision by paid strangers), and spiritual deprivation. But I don't see it changing without a radical restructuring of society (from taxes and services to equal opportunity laws and social expectations) that most people would bulk at.
The phrase "vague aspirations about racial diversity in the suburbs" sounds benign. It means that other people get for free what you worked for. Now, some may say that "what you worked for" is a bad thing in the first place - a peaceful suburb. But people do not want Section 8 housing in their neighborhood for exactly the same reason they do not want party-house AirBnbs.
I actually know a lot of Suburban Housewives, because I've long lived in the suburbs. I've also been the trailing spouse living overseas, where both adults having jobs couldn't happen because both adults don't have work visas or a job you can just pick up in some other country. I don't agree that dream has been destroyed, but I do agree with you that there is a lot of pressure to believe having both adults work is fulfilling, while having a partner stay home is devalued, but wonderful.
I did not picture some earlier era for housewives, because- as I said- I know many. The capitalization makes it seem like a Bravo Tv show.
I think it is racist to assume black people have the same wants, needs, and experiences as each other.
I suspect he used "Suburban Housewives" because he didn't want to use "soccer moms."
No, I pictured the woman next door, of half-Japanese descent, married to a veteran of the nuclear navy, who worked at the local nuclear power plant before going to work for the NRC. They've raised three kids, at least two of which, daughters, are engineers. She also keeps track of an amazing garden and all the local gossip. If she wears fuzzy slippers, she doesn't go out of the house in them.
I grew up with the suburban housewife dream, and I think it was destroyed long ago.
Let us do a mental exercise. Which political party has done more to destroy the middle class family, destroy the single earner family, destroy the suburban neighborhood due to wanting everyone to live in the city? Which party has done more do dissuade women from "choosing" to be stay at home moms? Who says you can "be anything" unless that is a stay at home mom raising kids? Which party is pushing higher taxes, less school choice, less parental control, less parental autonomy?
That is Biden. That is the Democrats. They have been doing this since the 50s? 60s for sure.
Who are these people?
As Hillary Clinton so eloquently put it, people who stayed home to bake cookies.
Haha lol. Like the suburban housewives of America need any help. Just look at that upscale subdivision in Minneapolis where the Karen residents decided to stop calling the police and suddenly they have vagrants living in their park. Virtue signaling is always a sign it's time to get the hell out.
Is TSHWA just a dog whistle for “Karen?”
Stanley Kurtz explained the Obama (now Biden) plan in some detail in his 2012 book “Spreading the Wealth: How Obama is Robbing the Suburbs to Pay for the Cities”.
You get yellow tee shirts from iron in the water.
I picture my daughter-in-law who is trying to get her kids' high school to reopen and her son's high school football team to have a season. She also runs a successful business from home.
let's Face FACTS
it's NOT FAIR, that Portland and Seattle have ALL THE FUN
Jo Biden's federal zoning, will bring the CHAZ summer of love to Your town soon!
VOTE Jo BIDEN! VOTE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA!!!
The "Moms" thing is cracking me up. Reporters are actually acting like they are moms coming out to burn the courthouse.
Someday someone will figure out the financial backing and planning of all of these groups, like ACORN used to be organized. Those people didn't just disappear.
Serious Question
How Many of you WANT a federal takeover of local zoning laws,
to install low income housing NEXT DOOR TO YOU?
Biden’s plan is to force suburban towns with single-family homes and minimum lot sizes to build high-density affordable housing smack in the middle of their leafy neighborhoods — local preferences and local control be damned.
If you insist that Black people (Capital B) all have a shared identity...then why not capitalize each and every segment of society that current political climate wants to encapsulate and treat as if they are all one homogeneous mass? All Suburban Housewives MUST think, vote and act the same way.
When the liberals decide that ALL Suburban Housewives and House Husbands not a homogeneous mass after all....then they are only exposing their own racist hypocrisy in assuming that ALL Black Lives are the same and that ALL Black people are in agreement.
It always angers me when I see reference to "The Women's Vote" and how these supposed women are for Democrats and support the Democrat agendas. Really???? No real women vote Republican?
Professor Althouse? your input please?
do You WANT a high density low income housing project built across the street from YOU?
My local government here in Austin has encouraged druggie homeless bums to sleep in tents under bridges - with hand wash stations and portapotties to reduce COVID transmission (hahahahaha - they share needles). NGO's bring them food, drinks, clothes, camping supplies, but not any useful path off the street. Two blocks from my new construction homes for sale, I have about two dozen filthy, entitled, drugged-out creeps who spend their days making the neighborhood unsafe by their criminal presence. If you complain about their shitting in the street, or pissing in your yard, or stealing from you, or masturbating in front of your kids, you are criticized as being unfeeling for these helpless victims of society.
That is the Democrat Party agenda here in Austin: the law abiding are subject to the whims of the criminal class, because it gives the local government more power over everyone. To hell with that, and to hell with these bums and their enablers.
"They don't feel pain like we do" might turn out to be true -
"Neanderthals may have had a lower threshold for pain"
"People who inherited a special ion channel from Neanderthals experience more pain"
"Many of the moms don't even identify as female."
How did we get to the stage that these people's opinions should be leading American cities, universities, tv and movies, and national politics? These are people unmoored from reality, free sailing down the street of whatever the next mob thing is. Or should I say- I'm sure you've noticed that the Democrat Party moved from sane leftists to insane anarchists? Those of you who vote Democrat reflexively should understand that today's Democrat Party will end up coming for you as well. It's the history of the Totalitarian Left. It's who they are. They may not identify today as women, but they will still identify you as not sufficiently pure. And will do whatever they can to end you.
When you read "The Suburban Housewives of America," what was your mental image?
Infidelity
Alcoholism
Antidepressant abuse
Bored lesbianism
I do love that we are railing against the spread of COVID while just pretending COVID didn't affect high desnsity areas, and the progressives just keep pushing forward with higher density zoning plans, continuing push for public transport, and support for huge numbers of people gathering in protests.
But magic masks!! Wear one and you can do anything (except open schools and gyms)
They are a joke. Little Antifa Moms have to come out and help their little radicals burn down their own city. Now they have the fathers with leaf blowers to blow the tear gas back at the police, and they have their little toddlers carrying signs that say fuck the police. Great mothering...and you wonder why they are burning their cities down!!! Way to go Progressives...regressing us back to the 60's
Regardless of whether Ngo is right or not, I think we can all agrees, Antifa moms = drama queens.
In a story filled with normal dishonesty, the Portland Oregonian reports on those Peaceful Moms getting tear-gassed. "...the courthouse became the flashpoint of the 56th night of protests Wednesday when federal officers tear-gassed demonstrators and fired pepper balls at them."
Was that the first action that took place? The tear gas and the pepper balls? There was no action that took place before that? Nothing at all?
"I think many married women who work outside the home still consider themselves housewives."
Really? Any evidence of that? I don't see that at all.
I thought of Betty Draper from "Mad Men.'
The suburbs have feet and will crop up out of the reach of authorities. Build a ghetto in my suburb and I am moving to the new one a little further out. With good schools and zero ghetto kids disrupting the classrooms. Their plan is a boon to developers. The ruined suburb is given over to the underclass.
Really? Any evidence of that? I don't see that at all.
@Althouse, I doubt you bothered to look.
If you live in a city, you have to conform. As you move to the suburbs and beyond, the necessity to conform diminishes. While people in the suburbs tend to have a lot in common (Stepford Wives), they have moved to that community out of choice.
Move to the sticks and you can do what you like and no one bothers you, and you don't bother others. City denizens don't like that.
"When you read "The Suburban Housewives of America," what was your mental image? Did you picture women living in the present? If you flashed back to some housewife of the past, did she look like a fuzzy-slippered frump in "The Far Side" or like Mary Tyler Moore on "The Dick Van Dyke Show"?"
Mary Tyler Moore? Sure. And when I picture a Nun it's MTM as well. Because "Change of Habit" was based on a true story.
Leftist Collectivists want to destroy.
That is their M.O.
The why is unimportant.
Ask Freeman Hunt whether the slope is slippery.
"Is it a group with "a shared sense of identity and community"?"
Yes.
I suspect a lot of middle class parents want to be home with their kids, which is why we're seeing so little pushback about schools not opening.
Well if Althouse doesn't see it from her vantage point in Madison while reading the NYT, and the NYRB....
Wait.
I think I have identified the problem.
Ann Althouse said...
"I think many married women who work outside the home still consider themselves housewives."
Really? Any evidence of that? I don't see that at all.
Then you don't know my wife. It says more about who you associate with.
“Biden's housing platform says it plans to tie community block grant and transportation funding for localities to the elimination of single family zones. No locality can afford to lose transportation funds, forcing them to eliminate single family zones.”
The Trump administration yesterday ditched the Obama administration’s “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing” rule (AFFH). Simply put, it allowed federal government bureaucrats to withhold significant quantities of (esp) HUD money from counties and the like if they did not prioritize “affordable housing” zoning. Which translates into eliminating zoning for most suburban single family dwellings. They were trying to force everyone into urban-type multi family housing. They also threatened highway funds if priority weren’t shifted to mass transit (aka, with COVID-19, motorized Petri dishes). China Joe Biden signed on to continue this, despite, of course, living in a single family dwelling himself. Over the last three years, HUD, under Secretary Ben Carson, has effectively eviscerated AFFH. but it remained on the books until yesterday.
This is potentially a huge wedge issue. The Dems have been making inroads recently with suburban women. It has been suggested that they can’t win the Presidency this year without a lot of these soccer moms voting for their candidate. But Obama, and now Biden, have shown themselves more than willing to take away their single family houses, private yards, etc. This reveals that their real constituency is heavily urban. This is esp critical this year, with so many people now trying desperately to flee the dysfunctional urban cities that burn every night this summer. That patch of grass and single family dwelling, in suburbia, looks more and more appealing, as the urban violence keeps going on, week after week.
Biden desperately needs to triangulate here if he doesn’t want a Dukakis level blowout in Trump’s favor. But I don’t think that he has the capacity here to see the problem. His positions are the result of a committee essentially running his campaign, and he is merely their figure head. Many of his handlers come out of the Obama Administration, and the AFFH was one of his signature accomplishments. Thus, they likely are extremely reluctant to walk away from their dream of urbanizing the suburbs through mandatory multi family zoning.
"do You WANT a high density low income housing project built across the street from YOU?"
I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here.
I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here.
I think the idea is you don't get to keep your landmark historic district.
What makes it hard to afford the single-earner family lifestyle is high housing costs, and the reason for those high costs is zoning, supported, unfortunately, by both parties. In places where housing costs are not insane, it's actually pretty common.
But even in expensive areas like Northern Virginia it can still be done. I did it, and my 3 adult children are doing it. One is even home schooling, and her children are learning far more than their peers in what are generally thought of as excellent public schools. (Or at least they were until Covid.) The complete mess the public schools have made out of Covid panic means her children will soon be at least a year ahead of their peers in actual education.
My daughters and daughter-in-law all have good degrees from good schools, and will most likely return to the workforce once their children have grown. But maybe not. All of them are careful money managers, none are living beyond their means, all are homeowners and two of them are renting out homes they used to live in. None of them have any debt except mortgages.
None of this is rocket science. But it does take long-term planning and self-discipline. The Democrats see what my grandchildren have and think it's unfair, and they think that punishing my children for making good decisions and being thrifty will somehow benefit their voters. Envy is their guiding principle.
“Move to the sticks and you can do what you like and no one bothers you, and you don't bother others. City denizens don't like that.”
Bought the subdivision we live in in NW MT this year. I have no idea why the guy who started it, had the city annex it. Maybe to get city sewer and water. I still need to figure out why the city, which supposedly owns the roads, doesn’t plow them.
In any case, I have a perfect place there for a private shooting range. It would be surrounded on three sides by rock walls. Nope. No can do. City has an ordinance against discharging firearms within the city limits.
Althouse: "I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here."
What if the "they" were not your local govt but actually Washington DC bureaucrats who were on a specific mission to ignore such "historic" niceties and instead focus only on purposely dropping high density low cost living units right in the middle of higher income areas just to make a political point?
I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here.
Hilarious. Talk about "privilege."
"I'm sure you've noticed that the Democrat Party moved from sane leftists to insane anarchists?"
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Someday someone will figure out the financial backing and planning of all of these groups, like ACORN used to be organized. Those people didn't just disappear.
That is what is going on with these short federal detentions. They are recording all the ID and linking credit cards and bank accounts looking for the funding. That's why the left is screaming about the feds. Think of the SWIFT program that they NY Time exposed. Terrorist funding.
I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here.
Way to dodge the question. The question is not whether "they" would permit it, but whether you want it.
Well, do you?
“ I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here”
Surprise, surprise. Madison’s genteel liberals have a way to exempt themselves from the sort of zoning that they want to impose on everyone else. And, yes, you can find this sort of thing across the country, and, surprise again, esp next to a lot of colleges and universities. It just costs money, which tenured (and retired) college professors have plenty of.
I have worked full time literally forever, yet do also consider myself a housewife. I love taking care of my family, home, garden, cooking....and also have a career. I also will never vote Democrat after what they have done the last three years. And I am the demographic I keep hearing Trump has lost - he hasn't lost me, literally the opposite is true. He has shone a spotlight on the years of grifting politicians in bed with the Democrat owned media and I appreciate what he does every day. I am hoping more people are waking up to the propaganda that is and has been shoveled daily by the MSM.
"'Really? Any evidence of that? I don't see that at all.' @Althouse, I doubt you bothered to look."
And I know you didn't bother to provide evidence. If something exists, you should be able to point to evidence. I'm not accepting the burden to prove something isn't there. That's a losing task. I put out the challenge to provide evidence, and I'm not going to fall for the trick of shifting the burden back onto me. My belief is based on living in this country since 1951.
The reality TV show title is interesting, but it's about rich women, not the middle class people Trump is addressing. Yeah, if you're rich, you can stay home and do whatever these people on the shows I don't watch do.
Ann Althouse said...
"do You WANT a high density low income housing project built across the street from YOU?"
I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here.
7/24/20, 9:07 AM
We have found out during the past 2 months just how much respect the left has for history.
Your white privilege is showing. You still think you'll be able to enjoy your quiet life and retirement no matter who wins in November.
“What if the "they" were not your local govt but actually Washington DC bureaucrats who were on a specific mission to ignore such "historic" niceties and instead focus only on purposely dropping high density low cost living units right in the middle of higher income areas just to make a political point?”
Ain’t gonna happen. The leftist rulers of these cities love their tree shaded single family dwellings as much as the next guy, and this is one of the ways that they do it. As I said before, it just takes money, as well as political power.
I stay away from yellow clothing. And white.
Tides foundation seems to be behind this, they scrubbed the information of their partnership with thousand currents, and the pass through with act blue,
Biden desperately needs to triangulate here if he doesn’t want a Dukakis level blowout in Trump’s favor. But I don’t think that he has the capacity here to see the problem. His positions are the result of a committee essentially running his campaign, and he is merely their figure head. Many of his handlers come out of the Obama Administration, and the AFFH was one of his signature accomplishments.
Plus, I think they are panicky about losing the black vote. This is supposed to be the key to the black vote, at least that segment of it not controlled by urban gangs. I think this was done on a trial basis by Obama in Kentucky, if I remember correctly. It was a disaster for the residents who were invaded by the urban gangs. There is a school thought, not just on the left, that middle class behavior can be created by middle class "things" like owning houses. It was behind the Mortgage Meltdown in the 2006 collapse. Margaret Thatcher bought into it in her plan to let the residents buy their Council Houses in the 80s.
You cannot create Bourgeoise values by giving poor people stuff. The Left has never learned that. It's behind Crack's reparations. Pure fantasy.
This explains why the Dems don't seem too worried about losing their tax base by permitting their cities to be trashed. Remember "white flight" in the '60's and '70's? This plan takes care of that. You expand the city - and the city's pathologies - to the suburbs. And you neutralize those pesky "swing" voters by flooding their neighborhoods with dependable Dem voters.
You really have to hand it to the Left. They can't create or build or govern effectively, but they sure are good at destruction. All the bases are covered. Of course, they've gotten a lot of practice over the past 100 years.
S.H.A. is a Trumpism way of saying 'moms.'
The AFFH plan is socialism, marxism, somethingism at its best. It is the politics of envy. "Hey you people who don't work, don't save, take drugs, and have no plan for your life...look at those nice neighborhoods. Why shouldn't you be living there? Why are those beautiful lawns and trees and golf courses reserved fro 'those' people?"
I am the product of a two-parent family that was poor by the standards of the day. The reason I live where I do is because I made good choices, including investing and saving my money. I don't care who you are; if you can pay the freight you are welcome to be my neighbor. But because I have money, that means that I can move somewhere else. I'd rather not, but if high density or Section 8 housing pops up in my town, I am out of here before things go to hell. Shuttling between Montana and Arizona would not be terrible.
"Biden’s plan is to force suburban towns with single-family homes and minimum lot sizes to build high-density affordable housing smack in the middle of their leafy neighborhoods — local preferences and local control be damned."
This has actually been done in many areas of Western WA with predictable surges in drug trafficking and other crime as a result. Building more prisons and keeping repeat felons locked up for good or executed would make a bigger difference to people's lives, whatever their neighborhood.
Bruce, Western Montana has been Californicated now for some time.
Ann Althouse said...
"I think many married women who work outside the home still consider themselves housewives."
No, they don't.
It seems as though history doesn’t carry as much weight as it used to. There are groups that believe that since our history wasn’t perfect and smooth it shouldn’t be remembered. The historic districts of today may not be of importance tomorrow.
“I think many married women who work outside the home still consider themselves housewives."
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“Really? Any evidence of that? I don't see that at all.
My belief is based on living in this country since 1951.”
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Working mothers with careers don’t see themselves as housewives. I haven’t heard of such a notion, it’s a pretty ridiculous assertion. I’ve never heard any woman who works a full time job describe herself as a housewife either.
I think the term “housewives” got our professor’s feminist knee to jerk. I don’t think Trump necessarily meant “housewives”; I think he meant just “wives”.
If you look at it from that standpoint, it all makes perfect sense, and it’s perfectly placed.
The reality TV show title is interesting, but it's about rich women, not the middle class people
Although a lot of them have declared bankruptcy.
Maybe Ray at 7:34 is conflating the term “housewife” with (female) spouse.
I am not rich, and I am a housewife with many friends who are housewives. I agree that many working moms identify with the housewife label. I think the lower the income, the more that is true.
Trump must be addressing those women Peg Bracken and Erma Bombeck used to write about, or maybe the type Roseanne Barr used to play.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/podcasts/nice-white-parents-serial.html?action=click&module=Briefings&pgtype=Homepage&smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Housewife probably strikes a lot of women/moms as '50s term for a kept, female do-nothing.
Triggered.
Suburban housewives really do form a community, where they share knowledge, skills, and recipes; work together to schedule play dates for their children; help each other when the snow falls; hold fireside chats when someone misses a step; coordinate among families and friends... their function is analogous to a distributed corporation (e.g. "city", "towns") and their competitors on a small scale.
She looks in the mirror and stares at the wrinkles
That weren't there yesterday
And thinks of the young man that she almost married
What would he think if he saw her this way?
She picks up her apron in little girl-fashion
As something comes into her mind.
Slowly starts dancing remembering her girlhood
And all of the boys she had waiting in line.
Oh, such are the dreams of the everyday housewife
You see everywhere any time of the day
An everyday housewife who gave up the good life for me.
"I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here."
That wouldn't stop Joe and his Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for a heartbeat. But I think you are safe for a while, there just aren't enough feral negroes around Madison to accomplish the destruction Joe has in mind. He might try to import some from Illinois. God knows, there's plenty of them there, but I don't know if they will want to relocate to Madison. I suppose if Joe offers them enough of your stuff, they might.
That @realDonaldTrump tweet conjured up the following in me — (trying here to draw out what my reaction was yesterday to my seeing someone's retweet of this tweet.)
1. I thought of suburban women because that is a demographic that is important to a Trump win, and we are being told by pollsters that Trump has lost them.
2. I knew that the tweet was referring to the AFFH, which I have been aware of for some time and which I think of as an insidious attempt to homogenize neighborhoods.
3. "Suburban Housewives of America" struck me as a catchy phrase that played on some reality TV shows I have never watched. I jumped from "housewives" to "women" because I was thinking 1 and 2, above, and I figure that housewives and non-housewife women (where ever you may draw that line) would both be worried about the AFFH if they understood it.
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"I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here." The main purpose of the AFFH is to destroy your nice little landmark historic district.
I realize that your sense of the country is skewed by living in Madison, but in the rest of the world there are plenty of single earner households. 30% of US women with children are out of the workforce. Those 30% matter and they are not just the wives/mothers of wealthy families. And, the numbers change with the age of the children suggesting that people are choosing to stay home with their kids. By definition all of these people are of voting age and that is who trump is speaking too. It's a simple analysis, if you are the kind of woman who would chose to leave the labor force to be with your kids, you are also very likely to be the kind of voter who is not interested in moving the problems experienced in low income City neighborhoods to your neighborhood.
"Historic landmark district"
That's dogwhistlespeak for White People Only district.
Re. working moms identifying with/as housewives - I'm anecdotal evidence of that, to a point. I am a working, professional mother and wife (with a stay-at-home husband/dad) and while I wouldn't describe myself as a "housewife" if someone asked what I did for a living - I do identify with the group that Trump is appealing to in this message and I can see the same being true for my working mom friends and neighbors, particularly now as so many of us have been working from home for the last several months. Reason being - my top priority is my family and my home and what he's talking about resonates with that. What concerns the Suburban Housewives of America concerns me and mine as well.
Jeff said...
"I'm sure you've noticed that the Democrat Party moved from sane leftists to insane anarchists?"
Assumes facts not in evidence.
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You, sirrah, are the political equivalent of Helen Keller.
The suburban housewife is the sexiest demographic by far in my opinion. The idea of Mary Tyler Moore at home all day, in a lovely little cotton dress, is hypnotic.
I think of my Mom, who was a housewife in a single earner family while I was growing up. But that stopped in around 1977. She has worked ever since. Trump famously clashed with his first wife because she did not want to be a housewife.
I grew up with the suburban housewife dream
I grew up thinking that suburban housewives were like Donna Reed, Mary Tyler Moore, Barbara Billingsley and Elizabeth Montgomery. My mother was a full-time waitress (usually overtime) and we lived in an apartment in the city.
I really don't care what people think is a true suburban housewife.
Most of these people aren’t mothers & many don’t even identify as female.
What a delicate way to slip the knife in. For the sake of the human race I certainly hope none of them are mothers.
It appears that a very large section of Madison was designated by the city as a "local historical district" at the request of residents in 1985.
We get it. You guys aren't fooling anybody. Except maybe yourselves.
“ That's dogwhistlespeak for White People Only district.”
Sounds like it, but it actually is diverse.
Michael K @9:53 am, your comment reminded me of a saying one of my PoliSci profs (a solidly liberal “Wisconsin Idea” proponent) told me back 30 years ago when explaining what he felt was the blind spot for the left: Poverty isn’t a lack of money, it’s a mindset.
If you would like to see what moving Section 8 funds out broadly into established neighborhoods can do, you should google an article called American Murder Mystery from the Atlantic, from back in 2008. Please note all you proggy cancel fascists, issue can do, not will do.
Aren't conservatives pro-land use rights?
My understanding about the actual Biden proposal is fiscally conservative because it would reduce the perverse land use restrictions that prevent people from building whatever they want on their land, whether that might be a duplex, fourplex, or a home with a granny flat.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/urbs/its-time-to-abolish-single-family-zoning/
Someday someone will figure out the financial backing and planning of all of these groups...
I suspect we pay for a lot of it via government grants to NGOs and through settlements the DOJ has made with private companies through the years for various sins. I fully admit that I state this "without evidence", but I'm willing to bet that I'm right.
That's dogwhistlespeak for White People Only district.
Diversity? Maybe. It depends on people's outlook.
It appears that a very large section of Madison was designated by the city as a "local historical district" at the request of residents in 1985.
We get it. You guys aren't fooling anybody. Except maybe yourselves.
“Shuttling between Montana and Arizona would not be terrible.”
Not in the least. Very happy we are in the former right now, given the level of COVID-19 in the latter right now.
“Bruce, Western Montana has been Californicated now for some time.”
Depends on where you are in MT. Missoula is bad. Kallispell not as much. You get away from those cities, and you really don’t see it that much. For me, N Idaho, from Coeur d’Alene up through Sandpoint, is worse.
Though I will admit to having some lots for sale.
Actually, I take back my comment about having no evidence. Last week I was at the University of Oregon and noticed that the Radical Organizing and Activism Resource Center (ROAR) had office space in the Students' Union. They had the same slogans on the door as you see at the protests. I bet many of those students are at the Portland riots right now, and they are probably supported by some of their professors.
“Your white privilege is showing. You still think you'll be able to enjoy your quiet life and retirement no matter who wins in November.”
She will. And that is reality. It’s ninnies like you that buy Trump’s fear mongering that should move to the farthest reaches of civilization to avoid other human beings, based on your fear and anti social personality.
The death of the suburban housewife dream, at least for the vast majority of American families, occurred when inflation and taxes required families to have two full-time incomes to "keep up with the Joneses". Add in a dash of feminist stigmatizing and you get a recipe that incentivizes not being a stay-home mom. In reality, this also makes it difficult, purely from an economic angle, to be a stay-home dad.
Trump's latest capitalization spree brings us "DHS Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT)." These mysterious Federal bullies in Portland supposedly came from Homeland Security's "DHS Federal Protective Service" which doesn't exist per se as an entity. Speculation has it that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and a few U.S. Marshals make up the 114 fatigues-clad "soldiers" patrolling the streets, arresting innocents, gassing protesters including pregnant moms and beating on an unresistant Navy vet with their batons.
readering (@12:42): "Trump famously clashed with his first wife because she did not want to be a housewife."
Reality, even from Wiki:
"Ivana took a major role in The Trump Organization. She became the Vice President of Interior Design for the company, leading the signature design of Trump Tower. Afterwards, her then-husband appointed her to head the Trump Castle Hotel and Casino as president. She became a naturalized US citizen in 1988."
I'm starting to believe that readering is quite incapable of not lying in every single posting.
gadfly, who knows nothing about the federal government, its agencies or bureaus as well as nothing about law enforcement, is now going Full Lunatic Inga.
See for yourself...
"The Poor Man's LLR-lefty and antifa fanboy Chuck" gadfly: "Speculation has it that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and a few U.S. Marshals make up the 114 fatigues-clad "soldiers" patrolling the streets, arresting innocents, gassing protesters including pregnant moms and beating on an unresistant Navy vet with their batons."
"Speculation has it......"
LOL
"speculation" from who? Based on what?
Nothing.
Like I said, the Full Inga.
“Speculation has it...”
Ha ha ha.
If I'm a "housewife," does that mean I have a "jobhusband?"
"When you read "The Suburban Housewives of America," what was your mental image?"
I get an image of someone who isn't a stay-at-home parent trying to sell something to those of us who are.
I only hear "housewife" used derisively. It isn't descriptive. They aren't trapped in the house, and they aren't wives any more than other wives are wives or than working husbands are husbands.
It seems most people are missing the point. The point is all of Western Culture, including language, must be transformed (as Obama would say) to eliminate whiteness. It means forget all you know in order to understand what is wrong with what you know.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/24/wokeness-is-being-pushed-on-everyone/
Here’s you’re real world evidence.
George Lucas offered to GIVE land to Marin county to build affordable housing on that was perilously close (not really, but probably would have been the same school district).
Rejected. These suburban housewives in the most liberal and suburban of areas in the Bay Area screaming about injustice and poverty couldn’t stomach a literal give away to the poor because Aiden and Kayden might accidentally run into a poor kid at school.
You need to get out more.
And yes. Historical districts are used all over the country in lieu of moving to the suburbs to keep rich people separated from “affordable housing”
Drago: From a 1994 interview with The Donald:
Joking that the interview would briefly pause for his "educational program," Trump then said, "I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing. If you're in business for yourself, I really think it's a bad idea," he explained. "I think that was the single greatest cause of what happened to my marriage with Ivana," he said of his first wife.
"A softness disappeared. There was a great softness to Ivana."
Pressed on whether he'd permit his second wife to work outside the home, "I have days where I think it's great. And I have days where, if I come home -- and I don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist -- but when I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof." The article is titled,
'Watch newly resurfaced Trump interview: My marriage failed when Ivana began working outside the home and not cooking me dinner"
JaimeRoberto said...
Someday someone will figure out the financial backing and planning of all of these groups...
I suspect we pay for a lot of it via government grants to NGOs and through settlements the DOJ has made with private companies through the years for various sins. I fully admit that I state this "without evidence", but I'm willing to bet that I'm right.
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I always laugh at virtual-signalling members of NGO's, who think being in a non-profit absolves them of being involved with dirty capitalism .
Funny how they don't seem to acknowledge (or admit) that every penny they get comes from SOMEONE who made that money by working or investing.
Reminds me of certain Buddhist countries, where people buy a live fish at a market and sneer at the person who kills it so they can eat it.
Killing it is "bad", you see, but eating it afterwards is OK.
(I saw this first-hand in Burma)
readering is very very upset that DJT gave leadership positions in multimillion dollar businesses to his wife because that just doesnt fit the narrative...or the...you know..the..the thing!
#Fat!
Readering is also one of those morons who is convinced Trump is responsible for the alleged russian hacking of Hillarys email (which never happened, ever) even when Trumps public joke was months and months after the non-existent hack supposedly occurred.....(Note: it didnt)
Readering is really quite "impressive" in that way....
Drago seems to have a thing for Readering. Perhaps it explains his reluctance to settle on my sex.
DavidUW said...
And yes. Historical districts are used all over the country in lieu of moving to the suburbs to keep rich people separated from “affordable housing”
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St Louis mayor and "bonnie and clyde" couple live in historical district.
wonder where the circuit attorney lives?
“Readering is also one of those morons who is convinced Trump is responsible for the alleged russian hacking of Hillarys email (which never happened, ever)...”
I don’t that is quite right. The Russians probably did hack Crooked Hillary’s illegal email server, while she was Secretary of State. The ChiComs almost assuredly did. Apparently software was found on her server that automatically forwarded everything she received to a site associated with them. But there was bait and switch going on - which was that emails from the DNC server ended up on Wikileaks, and their IT firm, Crowdstrike, with little, if any actual evidence, blamed it on the Russians. This fiction was convenient for the CIA and FBI, who were trying to tie the Russians to the Trump campaign - likely to justify their illegal spying on him (they kept up the pretense for years, making its way into the Mueller report). Instead, the DNC hack most likely was An inside job - likely a dissatisfied Bernie Bro who saw, in the emails, how the DNC had screwed Sanders, in order to give the nomination to Crooked Hillary.
The bait and switch was because Trump had suggested that the press ask the Russians for Crooked Hillary’s 30,000 missing emails. The subterfuge took the spotlight off of her, and her illegal acts, and it put it on the Russians. Who probably didn’t have anything to do with the DNC emails ending up on Wikileaks. But apparently it worked. Clinton was off the hook, and on her way to the Presidency (they believed).
Ann Althouse said...
"do You WANT a high density low income housing project built across the street from YOU?"
I live in a landmark historic district. They won't let you build anything here.
Shorter Althouse: I'm all right, Jack. I got mine, haha FU!
Althouse wouldn't know empathy or putting herself in someone else's shoes if her life depended on it.
Also, when the woke police come around and demand exceptions and exemptions under some legal rubric which they will supply, will you be the first to say No?
Ann Althouse said...
"'Really? Any evidence of that? I don't see that at all.' @Althouse, I doubt you bothered to look."
And I know you didn't bother to provide evidence. If something exists, you should be able to point to evidence.
What would you regard as evidence? One poster here has already testified to that effect. If you don't acknowledge testimony as evidence, you're just fighting reality again.
readering said...
Drago: From a 1994 interview with The Donald:
Which you don't cite or link. Shocking. As usual you can be safely ignored. BTW if Drago' s confusion is making you insecure in your sexuality, why not just disclose? Don't worry, you can lie as we expect of you.
Or change your mind. You could pretend you're a Jewish Bar Mitzvah and say proudly: Today I am a man!
Nichevo: I cited. Use Google. Drago follows my posts slavishly, so he knows my sex.
PS As has been noted elsewhere, low income housing will not be built where the land is expensive. But folks oppose high density housing, the answer to housing crises, everywhere. Near where I live, an area of modest single family homes, there is opposition luxury condos being proposed.
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