“Instead of focusing on her account, instead of focusing on her story as a survivor, people are fast forwarding to the political implications,” she said. “‘Do you want Trump to win? Will you be voting for Joe Biden?’ And that denies justice in this situation.”She's right about that.
Ocasio-Cortez says she will vote for Biden for president but has so far declined to endorse him. An endorsement, she says, “has to do with an understanding of what we are fighting for together.”Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility.
“I think an endorsement means we have come to a place where we have come to a place where we have developed a vision together not just for winning [in November] but for getting our country to a better place.”
AND: Don't you want to come to a place where we have come to a place where we can see how to get to a better place?
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"Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility."
She seems to be the one and only Democrat unwilling to throw the MeToo movement under the bus.
"Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility."
To the extent she has any credibility.
Thank goodness she was talking about Biden!
The quote in the post header sounds like the kind of language The Squad uses for large-scale terrorist attacks.
What's the difference between saying that you're going to vote for a person and actually endorsing them? I mean, I guess there is one, but functionally if you're voting for someone you presumably want other people to vote for that person too, right?
She's still throwing Me Too under the bus. She's voting for him to be POTUS. She's sticking by her party's choice, through thick and thin. Don't be fooled.
"She's still throwing Me Too under the bus. She's voting for him to be POTUS."
But is that necessarily true? Nov.3 is still half a year away.
Yes, but backing the Biden nomination with "reservations" will do two things for AOC:
(1) Push Biden's VP choice to the left and, simultaneously,
(2) make it more likely that his running mate will succeed him sooner rather than later.
instead of focusing on her story as a survivor, people are fast forwarding to the political implications,
”Ocasio-Cortez says she will vote for Biden for president but has so far declined to endorse him.
Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility.
YES! "Nice to see somebody", that says: "SURE! He's a Rapist, and "SURE! i'm going to vote for him.... But i'm haven't Endorsed him... so far
"It certainly seems as though something has happened. I’m not sure... frankly, this is a messy moment, and I think we need to acknowledge that — that it is not clear cut."
Well, it sounds remarkably similar to my clumsy ex post explanations to my high school girlfriend after her first blow job, despite my prior assurances that I would not [blank] in her [blank].
"She's right about that." --AA
"That" being justice for Tara Reade's claim is being denied.
Tara Reade's claim is from 1993, nearly 27 years ago. She sought justice from the U.S. Senate, then in Democratic-majority hands.
They gave her justice, Democrat-style. "You're nothing," to repeat Biden's own phrase.
She filed a police complaint in 2020, long after the statue of limitations had expired.
She is very confused, and the Democrats may have treated her at the time like a squashed insect that needs to be cleaned up, but nothing that is happening TODAY will deliver justice for an incident that may have happened 27 years ago. The world has been changing and those conditions are long gone. Besides, she has already damaged Biden TODAY far worse than anything she claims he did to her in 1993.
Meade asks...
"...She's voting for him to be POTUS."
But is that necessarily true? Nov.3 is still half a year away.
Good point! we can ONLY take her, at her written word*
her written word* Ocasio-Cortez says she will vote for Biden for president
Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility.
What credibility? She gave that up long ago. For an example see the photos she faked at the border.
Isn't AOC simply using a rhetorical slight of hand to confer immunity upon Biden which achieves the greater end of preserving sacramental abortion.
Besides, she has already damaged Biden TODAY far worse than anything she claims he did to her in 1993.
Credibly accusing someone of sexual assaulting you is more damaging than being sexually assaulted?
Ocasio-Cortez on Biden: "Speaking to NPR’s Morning Edition, Ocasio-Cortez said that it was not clear how much of the accusation against the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Biden was rooted in fact. She is concerned, though, that an early rush to take sides could signal hypocrisy from her party and potentially alienate victims of sexual violence.
“It certainly seems as though something has happened. I’m not sure” she said, later adding, “frankly, this is a messy moment, and I think we need to acknowledge that — that it is not clear cut.”"
That's terrible. If something has happened, then Biden assaulted or raped Reade. If you believe that, voting for him is saying that victims don't matter at all next to naked power. If you believe Trump's accusers too, you can take a moral position of voting for neither or a third option, but to say, "Rapists are OK as long as they're MY rapists" is the worst hot take in the Reade situation.
I’m at a place where I can’t get to that place from here.
Isn't AOC simply using a rhetorical slight of hand to confer immunity upon Biden which achieves the greater end of preserving sacramental abortion.
AOC believes in feminism and abortion the same way a 19th century English aristocrat believed in Anglicanism. Because he was supposed to.
Her Rosebud is power through Socialism, pure and simple.
I read it as AOC trying to push Biden leftward. 'We need to come together for this photo so we can all be in the picture. Now just move a bit to the left. Just a bit more..
Meade,
You could very well be right. She might not actually vote for him on Nov. 3. I just note that she says she will vote for him today.
If you read or listen to some of the hard core progressives, they've actually turned on AOC because she's been found out to be someone who wants a long-term political career. So, like every other politician, she's going to ultimately come down for the party over the movement (a lot like Bernie Sanders who tries faking people out by not being a member of any party). She's going to use her very good persuasion skills to try and tell people otherwise, and I think that's what she's doing here, after some of her own people have pushed back on her support of the Democrat Party nominee.
AOC because she's been found out to be someone who wants a long-term political career
There's a good chance she loses in November, and a better chance her seat gets eliminated in re-districting. She's probably seeking a job or aspirationally the VP nod.
Ocasio-Cortez's promise to vote for Biden is an implicit endorsement and a denial of the #MeToo narrative. Keep women barefoot, available, and taxable. #HateLovesAbortion
"Don't you want to come to a place where we have come to a place where we can see how to get to a better place?"
I thought that's what this blog was.
Cue the Cheers theme song.
To Gahrie, in this case, yes. Biden's campaign for the presidency is badly damaged. Tara Reade as a young woman found a man she thought she respected putting his hand down her skirt. The actual damage to Tara Reade? Shock, disappointment, maybe lost job.
Meanwhile, you're assuming her story is credible. While there is evidence she told others about it at the time, all that says is that she told others at the time that something happened to her. What that something was, we have only her version to go by; it sounds to me like a psychological shock but nothing of more serious damage. She never claimed to have been raped, for example.
If she can change the course of a presidential election, she will have done much more damage to him -- and, conceivably, to the nation -- than anything in her story could have done to damage her.
or aspirationally the VP nod
She's not 35 yet.
"She's probably seeking a job or aspirationally the VP nod."
-- Only if she's expecting a Biden loss and to try for it next go-round. If she wanted it this time, her defense wouldn't be this weak (and it is a defense of Biden.)
Gahrie,
Possibly, but I would listen to what Trump thinks of AOC. Trump said she could beat Chuck Schumer today in a NY Senate race. AOC isn't going to leave the political scene just because she's redistricted out of her Rep seat, or even defeated. She is here to stay politically.
[Ocasio-Cortez] gave that up long ago. For an example see the photos she faked at the border
Ocasio-Cortez's audacity to spin narratives endangered Americans, aliens, illegal aliens, and children, too. She attempted to spread a social contagion, aided and abetted by JournoLists for more than 12 trimesters.
"What's the difference between saying that you're going to vote for a person and actually endorsing them? I mean, I guess there is one, but functionally if you're voting for someone you presumably want other people to vote for that person too, right?"
No. One can announce whom they will vote for without it being an attempted inducement for others to vote for that same candidate. I think Ocasio wishes she had someone else to vote for, but, given the choice between Trump or Biden, she will vote for Biden, not as someone she endorses, but as someone she views as the more acceptable of two unpleasant choices.
I can see that as a perfectly pragmatic calculation, and it. However, I will vote, but for neither Biden nor Trump.
"She never claimed to have been raped, for example."
-- The claim is that Biden physically penetrated her against her will. That's rape.
"However, I will vote, but for neither Biden nor Trump"
Heh - You gonna write in Bella Abzug, Cookie?
I don’t want Joe Biden to be railroaded. I don’t know whether the assault happened or not. He deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty. All I ask is that those people who denied that same consideration to Brett Kavanaugh, and who are now defending Joe Biden, apologize for their vicious, unfair attacks. I’m talking about you, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton, and so many others.
"Heh - You gonna write in Bella Abzug, Cookie?"
Nope.
Well don't leave us hanging in suspension, Cook, who will you vote for?
Maybe, you can persuade folks to follow your lead....
frankly, this is a messy moment, and I think we need to acknowledge that — that it is not clear cut.
Messy is the new inconvenient.
>>"SURE! He's a Rapist, and "SURE! i'm going to vote for him...
To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time Dems have elected a known rapist as President.
I would be more inclined to listen to what AOC has to say if she was nude while saying it.
She is very confused, and the Democrats may have treated her at the time like a squashed insect that needs to be cleaned up, but nothing that is happening TODAY will deliver justice for an incident that may have happened 27 years ago.
#MeToo isn't about justice.
It's about Social Justice.
And if slavery hasn't exceeded the statute of social justice limitations, a rape charge from 1993 is damn-near still happening.
"However, I will vote, but for neither Biden nor Trump."
Such an edgy dissident. We're all on the edge of our seats wondering who Florida Man is going to vote for along with his incredibly original protest sign-worthy manifesto as to why.
“I think an endorsement means we have come to a place where we have come to a place where we have developed a vision together not just for winning [in November] but for getting our country to a better place.”
AOC is beginning to mature as a politician. I am no fan of hers, but I find this development a bit sad.
No. One can announce whom they will vote for without it being an attempted inducement for others to vote for that same candidate.
To me admitting who you're going to vote for is functionally no different from endorsing them. You've committed to a choice, an outcome that you'd prefer. For that outcome to occur obviously other people have to make that same choice, so you're in a way you're implicitly saying that you hope other people vote the way you do too. Otherwise why state at all who you're going to vote for? Of course, you can say you're not enthusiastic about your choice, that you're settling for the evil of two lessors or whatever, but at the end of the day you're still seeking an outcome that requires other people to vote for your choice.
Her brand is being off-brand. She's got more leeway in denouncing Joe Biden than Nancy Pelosi or any of the VP aspirants, but she did not take advantage of it. This is a very weak statement. The subtext is not "believe all women" but "vote for the Democrat".
"Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility."
How about "pretending to be fair minded for later political purposes."
Or "realizing there is an election this fall and wanting to create the illusion of being reasonable."
Or "it's AOC's turn to provide the DNC with sound bites that appear to be fair minded."
We should get on record, how many members of the Commentariat will affirmatively vote for Biden this Fall. Smoke 'em out!
I think ARM is reluctantly voting for Biden -- but he is shy about it.
"Well don't leave us hanging in suspension, Cook, who will you vote for?"
I certainly don't want to leave you hanging in suspense. I will vote for the Green Party candidate. That person will be determined after a series of primaries and announced at the Green Party Convention.
Ocasio-Cortez says she will vote for Biden for president but has so far declined to endorse him.
A distinction without a difference.
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AOC has no credibility.
Stopped dumb ass clock.
She's not taking a stand here. She's taking the most gutless position of all. She's going to have it both ways without even admitting she's having it both ways.
Taking a stand would be saying either, A) I don't give a fuck about Reade's accusation, we need to beat Trump at any cost or B) I won't vote for Biden because I think he's an abuser of women even if it means Trump wins.
AOC has taken the way of the weasel.
It's tough when you care so much about everything to have to add a little more care to one thing w/o taking any care away for the other things you care about.
@Cook:
"Well don't leave us hanging in suspension, Cook, who will you vote for?"
I certainly don't want to leave you hanging in suspense. I will vote for the Green Party candidate. That person will be determined after a series of primaries and announced at the Green Party Convention.
Well, Cook, one of things I like about you is that you are honest and true to your beliefs. We may disagree on those beliefs, but that's ok.
By the way, not that you asked, but I'll be voting for Trump this Fall.
I'm tempted to ask, Why, you won't be voting for Biden, but I was taught decades ago by wise men, not to ask impertinent questions.
Carry on, Comrade.
That is a convoluted statement, but I do get what she's saying: MAGA.
Agree that there is nothing brave or courageous or even laudable about her stand on Biden. Pretty much standard political fence sitting.
This IS a messy moment. Maybe it needs to be cleaned. Maybe with bleach. Maybe she could even drink some, just to move the country to a better place.
I'll give her this, she really believes in the ideology of the Democrat Party. She isn't going to last long.
What facts would get her to not vote for Biden at this point. I suspect nothing. So she be preserving more of her reputation than some of her compatriots, but not much more.
If she can change the course of a presidential election, she will have done much more damage to him -- and, conceivably, to the nation -- than anything in her story could have done to damage her.
That is not easy to say with confidence. Joe has had a very good life. Tara Reade is a wreck. Maybe she couldn't handle the incident. Joe seems like nothing will get through to him now.
But you could say the same thing about Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh. It's unlikely that anything happened in that case, but if there was some drunken teenage groping, was that worth a career being derailed and a reputation destroyed?
The only thing that kept the Democrat Party from running Ted Kennedy for president is the fact that he killed a woman. And he got away with it. Compared to that what is a little rape-rape?
“‘Do you want Trump to win? Will you be voting for Joe Biden?’ And that denies justice in this situation.”
Is the theory that it would be "unjust" to endorse Joe Biden? The arm of the law is long, but it's nothing compared to the reach of "justice". Or maybe it's "Just Us".
A distinction without a difference.
Politics is made up of distinctions like that. While the mere words "I endorse" may not matter much, whether or not you bring all the support you can to a candidate that you don't formally repudiate can make a difference if you have followers and supporters of your own.
If you read or listen to some of the hard core progressives, they've actually turned on AOC because she's been found out to be someone who wants a long-term political career.
Utopians are always bitter about pragmatists. AOC wants a career, but it may not necessarily be in Congress. She may end up in the media or in an advocacy group. If she has any worldly success at all some on the left will hate her, but maintaining close ties with her base would benefit both Alexandria and the rest of the left (if not the rest of us).
I will vote for the Green Party candidate.
Ask Howie if he still supports anarcho-communism or if he's changed or if that's just Wikipedia making shit up.
"Well, Cook, one of things I like about you is that you are honest and true to your beliefs."
One of the things I like about Cookie it's that he's so tangled up in his own illogic that it really doesn't matter what square he's on.
"It certainly seems as though something has happened. I’m not sure... frankly, this is a messy moment, and I think we need to acknowledge that — that it is not clear cut."
Because something was happening there but you don't know what it was, do you, Ms. AOC?
"Credibly accusing someone of sexual assaulting you is more damaging than being sexually assaulted?"
I would bet that Joe Biden would be willing to let a passel of perverts finger any hole of his anatomy if it would make him President. So, yeah, in his estimation, this is worse.
And let's keep in mind, there are lots of women who have allowed men to do what Joe Biden is alleged to have done, and even enjoyed it. So, whether it was a horrible crime or a consummation devoutly to be wished is entirely up to Tara Reade. Surely Biden deserves the same opportunity to assess the harm done him.
It's because AOC believes Joe Biden is essentially a Republican.
"Democrats can be too big of a tent," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told New York magazine . . . . Of Joe Biden, the party's presidential front-runner, Ocasio Cortez said this: "Oh God. In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are."
"I'm tempted to ask, Why, you won't be voting for Biden, but I was taught decades ago by wise men, not to ask impertinent questions."
Because he's an appalling candidate: a liar, a servant of the wealthy elites, a supporter of the Iraq War, an advocate of cutting Social Security, an opponent of universal health care, and possibly developing cognitive difficulties.
I've been voting Green Party for over 20 years.
I believe that 99% of the electorate already knows for whom they will vote for President, and that none of this over-reported nonsense - endorsements, unprovable scandals or the rest of the stuff that give the chattering classes something to feast upon - matters a whit.
The only reason any of this stuff matters is if it will affect turnout and where. If it won't, then it's not worth getting worked up about.
Or, if it somehow affects the under-reported other side of the electoral coin: electoral fraud.
They are all hypocrites. I never want to hear one word about anybody else sexually abusing somebody else years ago. I believe in due process, which Kavenaugh DID NOT receive from these hypocrites who were crying that you had to believe all women. All women unless they are accusing your guy. Eat shit...go away...#Metoo is dead and gone, so if someone does something to you....report it, or sit down. This is unbelievable after what the Democrats put the country through.
Bob Boyd said...
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AOC has taken the way of the weasel.
5/7/20, 10:49 AM
I listened to her NPR interview this morning. Her responses were several minutes of .. empty blather. She's mastered the political art of speaking and saying nothing.
Cook drops the hammer on Biden:
Because he's an appalling candidate: a liar, a servant of the wealthy elites, a supporter of the Iraq War, an advocate of cutting Social Security, an opponent of universal health care, and possibly developing cognitive difficulties.
Cooks votes Green
I've been voting Green Party for over 20 years.
Fair enough, Cook. Some folks, perhaps Democrats, would suggest that by voting Green, you indirectly helped Trump and other dastardly Republicans win a few close elections.
Of course, to repeat, I avoid asking the impertinent question, as to whether you buy that political thesis!
"Ocasio-Cortez says she will vote for Biden for president but has so far declined to endorse him."
So she's throwing #MeToo halfway under the buss.
AOC is going with the same argument LInda Hirshman makes in the NYTimes today (linked by instapundit). Biden did bad, but we are going to vote for the Democrat over the Republican - no matter what. The real question is why these allegations were not covered during the primary when it could have made a difference. Reid came forward in the April of 2019. Plenty of time for the other candidates to make Biden's #metoo problem and issue. Why didn't they? I suspect they did not consider Biden a serious contender, plus no one wanted to tarnish the Obama legacy with ugly truths.
Isn't it possible to think that a sexual abuser belongs in jail, without thinking he doesn't belong in the White House? I'm fairly sure that Trump has committed adultery, while married to a woman who deserved better, but I'm going to vote for him. I suspect she is too. We are more worried about our county's future than about what our candidate may have done with his appendages.
Robert Cook said... Because he's an appalling candidate: a liar, a servant of the wealthy elites, a supporter of the Iraq War, an advocate of cutting Social Security, an opponent of universal health care, and possibly developing cognitive difficulties.
Look at it this way, Cookie. Joe Biden is in the early stages of dementia. By the time the election rolls around, he will have forgotten all the positions that you object to.
Nice to see somebody in that party preserving her credibility.
Ocasio-Cortez says she will vote for Biden for president
Dems have asserted for years voting Trump is voting to support everything he is alleged to have done. AOC proclaiming a new standard for Team Blue unavailable to others is preserving her credibility?
It seems more like Team Blue partisanship as usual. It's odd to see Althouse asserting this preserves credibility.
AOC referred to Reade as a survivor. That means she believes Biden sexually assaulted her.
A good interviewer would have asked AOC about this. But NPR is left wing gobbledygook.
Cookie: "I've been voting Green Party for over 20 years."
"Green"....as in watermelon "green"....
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https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/politics-government/article242527331.html
"Fair enough, Cook. Some folks, perhaps Democrats, would suggest that by voting Green, you indirectly helped Trump and other dastardly Republicans win a few close elections."
Yes, of course, there are those who say that. But, you know what? Fuck them. I owe my allegiance or vote to no party or candidate other than whom I choose, and I long ago decided I could not stomach supporting and lending my approval, however begrudging and equivocal, to a shitty candidate who would become an inevitably terrible president. If they want me to vote for the Dem candidate, the Dems need to put forth a candidate I can stomach supporting. I don't see it happening soon, as the current campaign season shows all too well.
By not endorsing Biden by name but treating him as generic democrat nominee AOC shows nice grasp of "nuancity"
She’s voting for a guy possibly guilty of sexual assault, before having enough evidence to say he likely didn’t do it. We are not talking about absolute guilt or innocence, but just the “more likely than not” burden - and Biden fails that. On the evidence that we have, he is more likely to be guilty than not.
And AOC goes on to say she’s going to vote for him. No, she is not preserving her credibility. Hesitancy is not the same as integrity.
Michelle Caruso Cabrera is going to beat her. The credibility AOC is pretending to have is an act to avoid the inevitable.
Her parents had a nice place.
"I think an endorsement means we have come to a place where we have come to a place where we have developed a vision together not just for winning [in November] but for getting our country to a better place.”
We gotta get out of this place...
> preserving her credibility.
Attention whores instinctively stake out the aggrandizing position.
She knows they love to interview the contrarian with Big Tits
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