Background on the strict and confusing order:
Confused shoppers found they could buy liquor and lottery tickets on a trip to the grocery store, but couldn’t visit the vegetable seed aisle or gardening center. The order required large stores to shut down plant nurseries and rope off sections where carpet, flooring and paint were sold, provisions that conservatives found both arbitrary and harmful to business owners.It would be nice to consider the constructive things people might think of doing when they are confined to their homes. Paint and garden supplies would help people keep a positive outlook and also actually improve homes. If the Governor had observed and listened and tweaked the order when arguments about arbitrariness arose, she would not have been so vulnerable to these charges of "petty authoritarianism."
Meanwhile, WaPo is encouraging its readers to distance themselves from the deplorables who won't follow orders. Confederate flags? Really? The Michiganders who want to plant a vegetable garden are — what? — racists? This is just stoking divisiveness. The enemy is a virus. People need to work together.
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Trump:
Any business operation that substantially affects interstate commerce is hereby deemed essential for the proper functioning of the American economy.
Any person who impedes or attempts to impede interstate commerce will be prosecuted criminally and fined as appropriate under US law.
And Democratics from DeWine (I know. Save your breath.) to Evers to Pritzker be damned.
there will be a bloc of governors from Pritzker to brashears who will act in concert, like the regional governors in the Empire
Achilles said, "This is all bullshit.
Millions have had it in the US. Antibody tests are showing 15-50% of the population had it before.
This disease is dangerous to specific and well known groups of people.
This shutdown was planned from the start and is a complete sham."
So you believe:
1. that there have been antibody testing sampled enough to be representative of the population?
2. That somehow we already have 45 million-150 million people who have - since basically January - been infected and developed a substantial antibody presence.
3. That the disease is not broadly dangerous. The mortality rate of 1.4% - 10%, tied to ages from 55-80+, does not really mean it's broadly dangerous. Or even that 15% of people age 20-44 with it require hospitalization.
That the shutdown was pre-planned - globally among all the different countries who have shut down - and is a complete sham.
Yep, all of your positions and underlying assumptions are completely reasonable and tied to reality....
Why did Whitney add seeds to a list of banned purchases? I can’t imagine the justification. And if pot is legal in her state, are marijuana seeds included?
And why paint?
CBS: Trump says he'll release guidelines on reopening economy today
Trump said he'll release guidelines for reopening the country Thursday, April 16.
Trump said he might adjourn Congress so he can make recess judicial appointments.
Nearly 28,000 Americans have died from COVID-19.
Read the whole thing. It's not me, it's CBS.
TreeJoe,
Please explain tour very fair points to the 22 million people in the past four weeks who are newly registered for unemployment how this was worth it. I would like to know how that goes for you.
When the credit markets seize and big businesses start to fail, and truckers demand cash payments to haul loads, you'll have some more 'splainin' to do.
Wisconsin's corpse of a Governor must of got the extension directive from Whitmer. God knows he could never make a decision on his own.
For once I will in good conscience commend the Wikipedia article "Confederate Battle Flag."
I am over-qualified for membership in any number of CSA heritage groups, and know literally hundreds if not thousands of people who live routinely and peacefully displaying (on a piece of clothing or bling, or a tattoo or car decal) what they call the Rebel, Confederate, or Confederate Battle Flag. Around here nobody cares too much as long as everybody is polite, and usually they are.
At the SCV camps I've spoken to, they salute a Confederate flag, usually a stand with several versions, and if only one it's almost always the CBF. They hold it to be "the Soldier's Flag." To be sure, that comes after the Pledge of Allegiance and Salute to the American Flag. LOTS of veterans.
Narr
One of my motorcycle riding friends used to have a Stars and Bars license plate. Some people would ask, "Texas?"
remember Winston and Julia sneaking off to the woods?
UK Police Issue Chilling Threat:
If You Think No One Will Find You Picnicking, Think Again
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/uk-police-issue-chilling-threat-think-no-one-will-find-picnicking-think
WI has recorded all of 184 virus deaths!
Only 1300+ under the state projection.
Everything is about race. Consider Jennifer Rubin:
"There is a particular cruelty/irony that it is their core viewers, the Republican older viewers, who are the most at risk [from Covid 19]."
This is so bizarre. First, Ms. Rubin is wrong. African-Americans and Asian-Americans are at heightened risk. This heightened risk is overwhelmingly genetic in origin. And, second, if everything has to be about race, can't journalists practice a more disguised and subtle form of racism against White people?
Wisconsin has 197 deaths and 3875 positive cases, with 29% of them being hospitalized. Good for Governor Evers. Even the far western and northern counties have cases and deaths. And in SE WI, we’re too close to Chicago to not be vigilant.
Has any governor that extended their ban on basic freedom state what their criteria is for lifting the ban?
From the daughter working on a Covid unit in a Detroit area hospital today whose social media is filling up with support for protesters, including some she knows personally who were there:
"I’m currently giving up so much right now. And if people are gonna continue to not be careful about spreading this virus then I’m going to have to continue to give things up.
And it’s like. How well Michigan does with social distancing and then slowly reentering society will directly affect my life
Yknow what I’m saying?"
A friend here (Anchorage) who is a recovery room nurse at a local hospital took care of a suspected Covid patient yesterday and called me at the end of the day to say how much she appreciated what our daughter is going through right now. She said there is so much fear in the atmosphere at the hospital. Her exhortation was that Christians especially need to be so gracious in the face of so much fear.
I mean, with the economy tanking the way it is, there's plenty of fear to go around.
I seriously appreciate our hostess' admonishment to ponder - is it helpful?.
I look forward to the collapse of society when people like old lady internet trolls find out how rough things can get.
I hope Wisconsin stays locked down until the pain is acute.
Pensions get cut.
Rent cannot be paid.
Credit markets seize.
Then we'll see how well government protects from early death.
Home break-ins up 13% in Charlotte.
Strong arm robberies up 33%.
I suggest people crush the economy until the smarter potential criminals start behaving as criminals.
You know, middle aged people who have skills and are otherwise law abiding.
That will make sure Winnie Xi Flu is kept at bay.
Inga,
What is your threshold # for backing off this economic suicide?
You know given:
"Job losses cause extreme suffering. Every 1 percent hike in the unemployment rate will likely produce a 3.3 percent increase in drug-overdose deaths and a 0.99 percent increase in suicides, according to data from the National Bureau of Economic Research and the medical journal Lancet.
These are facts based on past experience, not models."
>>Only 1300+ under the state projection.
Are you arguing against the validity of mathematical models? Denialist!!!!
Has any governor that extended their ban on basic freedom state what their criteria is for lifting the ban?
No. How could they when they didn't list any, fucking criteria for instituting the bans in the first place?
>>No. How could they when they didn't list any, fucking criteria for instituting the bans in the first place?
Perhaps these bans have no basis in law at all?
"I’m currently giving up so much right now. And if people are gonna continue to not be careful about spreading this virus then I’m going to have to continue to give things up.
And it’s like. How well Michigan does with social distancing and then slowly reentering society will directly affect my life
Yknow what I’m saying?"
Can you translate this? What is your daughter trying to say?
Inga is a threat to public safety and needs to be jailed.
mockturtle said...
We are not going to keep humoring you people much longer.
Achilles, what are you doing to improve the situation besides ranting in blog comments and calling people 'sheep' and 'cowards'? Are you lobbying your state and local officials? Emailing your Congressmen? Leading a protest at your county courthouse? Let's hear it, Achilles.
Fuck you. You are a coward and you are being bitchy because we are calling you out.
I have kids and I have a wife. I am trying to keep the family going and keep our finances in one piece.
Shit is fucked up now.
I am going to point out to everyone that the United States was founded on the principle of the Citizen. People of Virtue and self reliance.
You are a Serf living with freedom other people gave you.
I am going to continue to point this out and I am not going to humor your feelings.
You are cowards and you are begging the government to suppress other people so you can feel safe.
At this point mockturtle, you are a threat to my freedom.
You people need to fucking figure this out. You are serving tyranny.
You are.
You.
Shouting Thomas said...
Inga is a threat to public safety and needs to be jailed.
Shipped to China.
She wants a police state. Fine.
China is right over there.
Some are horrified by one Confederate flag --'destroys the entire protest! Shame, Shame, Shame!" -- but when antifa assaults people and the NYT calls it a "mostly peaceful protest" those same people wax eloquently about how we must listen to the valid concerns of the protestors and, once again, limit or destroy the rights of conservatives and Republicans.
Or else.
I wonder, those that are appalled and horrified at "bearded guys with open-carry firearms." How horrible! Do you maintain that those deplorable people should be banned, shunned, and their rights stripped!
Meanwhile, I do not recall these people having any problems at all with jackbooted government thugs in shiny uniforms arresting and hauling Christians out of their churches. No big deal, it's all those Christian's fault anyway-worshipping God is totally not necessary!
So these same people that fully supports governmental thugs using force to deprive Americans of their 1st Amendment... and are horrified at the mere thought that someone has a beard and is protesting a Democrat.
That's True Conservatism in action, right there!
How can we continue this way, putting 10s of millions of people out of work over casualties of a fraction of 1%?
By this standard, we’ll never be able to conduct business or our lives again.
Inga is a parasite on the public weal. Her standard of acceptable risk is paralysis.
Because it sounds like you are repeating with approval something like, "Accept whatever restrictions your better impose on you without consent, explanation or criteria for ending them because if you don't you're responsible for the sufferings of these poor covid nurses."
Inga, you’re a fucking psychotic slug.
Just because you’re absolutely inert and drunk all the time doesn’t mean the rest of us want to live like you.
How did cowardly slugs like Inga get control over our lives?
Birkel said...
I look forward to the collapse of society when people like old lady internet trolls find out how rough things can get.
I hope Wisconsin stays locked down until the pain is acute.
Pensions get cut.
Rent cannot be paid.
Credit markets seize.
Then we'll see how well government protects from early death.
Billions of dollars of food are being destroyed every day.
Crime is exploding right now. It was falling because wealth does that. What happens over the next months when food gets more expensive?
Civilization is getting very thin.
Dr. Fauci is talking about Tinder hook-ups. The guy is a charlatan.
"“If you’re swiping on a dating app like Tinder, or Bumble or Grindr, and you match with someone that you think is hot, and you’re just kind of like, ‘Maybe it’s fine if this one stranger comes over.’ What do you say to that person?” the host asked Dr. Fauci, apparently channeling the burning questions of Snapchat’s users.
“You know, that’s tough,” Dr. Fauci answered, according to the New York Post. “Because that’s what’s called relative risk.”
He then tried to explain the concept of weighing the satisfaction of a coronavirus lockdown-defying hookup against the possibility of contracting the novel coronavirus, which causes COVID-19 — a disease that, while primarily problematic for the elderly, is plenty risky for those of the age to use social media dating applications.
“If you’re willing to take a risk — and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks — you could figure out if you want to meet somebody,” Dr. Fauci replied. “If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that’s your choice regarding a risk.”"
I mean, yes yes I respect the sacrifices of health care workers -- who are temporarily replacing the military as the focus of our weird American need to worship a particular vocation -- but the thing is, nurses: shit sucks for EVERYONE now. And maybe putting on big girl panties and coming to terms with the inherent risks of the vocation you chose and continue to do willingly might be the thing to do. Maybe be grateful that you have a job.
Birkel said, "TreeJoe,
Please explain tour very fair points to the 22 million people in the past four weeks who are newly registered for unemployment how this was worth it. I would like to know how that goes for you.
When the credit markets seize and big businesses start to fail, and truckers demand cash payments to haul loads, you'll have some more 'splainin' to do."
You are creating a strawman - you are saying my explanation of the seriousness of Covid-19 is a defense of the economic impacts being driven by current government policy.
They are mutually exclusive FYI.
FYI I'm actually part of a business where we are working hard to prevent a single layoff among our ~2500 employees. So please feel free to lecture me derisively about explaining unemployment. Does a comment like that that didn't even address my points ABOUT THE DISEASE make you feel good? If so, you should question your motivations and emotions.
We had a protest in Utah yesterday, I noticed, as well as being slightly stunned.
See, our governor is a Republican, and as far as I can tell has done pretty good. The Democrats in the state demanded full statewide marshal law, essentially, and our governor told them to pound sand. What works in big cities is not appropriate for small rural areas, and he was right.
He also explicitly rescinded two "health district" orders that criminalized going outside, the usual Democrat wishlist of totalitarianism.
Utah was greatly helped by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the largest religious organization in the state, voluntarily canceling meetings and instituting home based church services... something they have been strongly moving towards for a couple of years. The Church was far more prepared than most for an extended shutdown.
However, they also have promised that we will reopen soon. Which means they won't allow the Inga dream of a permanent shutdown to happen.
There is a large, huge, difference between asking people, churches, etc to voluntarily sacrifice for a time to help with a public emergency, and the Democrat method of "You Vill Do What We Say, Serf! Or We Use Big Stick and Beat You To Death!" that's the Chuck/Inga/Ken B method. And It will not work. Americans are good hearted people who want to help out. But the goal is clearly being revealed that our current shutdowns and closures are not meant to help with the virus; they are rather meant to help enslave the population to Big Government and Total Democrat Control. And America won't stand for that.
30,000 dead. 16,000,000 newly unemployed.
I have no idea what the right answer is, but that certainly looks like the wrong answer to me.
New York City, not to be undone, is moving to the I am legend look, opening up in july or august, at the earliest,
President Trump flags, American flags and the occasional Confederate flag.
Love how these three get grouped together: a trio of deplorables! It's like a card game: "Orange Man, America, Confederacy...twenty-one...!"
Cuomo shuts down NY to mid May!
How do we get these motherfucking tyrants off our backs?
I Have Misplaced My Pants: She was discouraged to see people blocking streets around a hospital and not staying in their cars - not physical distancing. She is single, lives in an apartment alone, working mandatory overtime for going on a month now and all her patients are known or suspected Covid. She doesn't disagree with the protesters and what they are fighting for; at the same time feels like it wasn't handled well. EVERYBODY wants their life back. It was real discouraging to her to see people flaunting physical distancing when she is facing people struggling to breathe night after night. It feels like she is making sacrifices - not just at work, but personally - and trying to dig herself out of a hole that others keep filling.
Still waiting for Inga to provide target number(s) for backing this off.
As a healthcare pro, must have in mind.
In my local rag the local leftists are arguing that no liberty is worth one person's life being lost. That anyone who thinks that liberty has any importance over "saving the life of a Covid victim" is, essentially, a murderer.
Washington fought the Revolution during a Smallpox epidemic. Our leftists at the local paper say that he was wrong and he shouldn't have done that.
What they are arguing for is the idea that if we give all power to the government the government will save us. But Government does not have that power. God does, not Nancy Pelosi. Not even Stalin had the power to save everyone from a disease.
Patrick Henry famously said "Give me liberty or give me death!" Why do our leftists invert that? "We will give you death if you want liberty!"
Will N said...
From the daughter working on a Covid unit in a Detroit area hospital today whose social media is filling up with support for protesters, including some she knows personally who were there:
"I’m currently giving up so much right now. And if people are gonna continue to not be careful about spreading this virus then I’m going to have to continue to give things up.
And it’s like. How well Michigan does with social distancing and then slowly reentering society will directly affect my life
Yknow what I’m saying?"
Will, tell your daughter is she doesn't like it to quit. Really give up something. Like the 22 million that are unemployed. Who had no say. Otherwise tell her to shut the fuck up and do her job. You know what I'm saying?
and there was an outbreak from the aedes Aegyptis mosquito in Philadelphia and Washington dc in the interval between the end of the revolutionary war, and the constitutional convention,
Yes, while it isn't quite Madame LaFarge time yet, if the lockdowns don't end soon it may come to that.
What I find simply stunning, is the inability of people who are educated to not grasp that we are dealing wiht lives and lives - not lives and dollars. The longer the lockdowns last and the greater the extent of the economic destruction, the number of lives lost will greatly exceed the inflated number of WuhFlu deaths (the states get more bucks under the CARES act dontcha know if the numbers are higher - see NYC adding 3700 deaths as 'Covid-19' to bump theirs).
I understand that there are enough lamposts in teh DC area to handle the political class that resides there. Hopefully it won't come to that - though a modicum of tar, feathers and rails applied appropriately would probably suffice.
Perhaps a little off point, so Ann can delete if she wants. Reading the comments on that WaPo piece there's an increasingly ugly rhetoric in this country. Waaay worse than Obamacare, Tea Party, Occupy or even 2016. Couple this with the boom in gun sales and the potential for open street warfare is there. I make no predictions, just to note the potential is there.
According to Ken, John Hancock should have used his online nom de plume when signing the Declaration of Independence. It would have been the smart and savvy political way to do it.
a little background
When is T Evers going to tell us about his leadership on saving WI taxpayers money on their property taxes. I would expect that non essential state workers like the ones who take care of the (closed)state park system can either reduce their hours or be furloughed until they are needed. This would possibly provide some buy in from those most affected. I don't suspect he has the stones to lead in the way a good governor knows how to do.
I wrote a comment a couple weeks ago, but will repeat the main points right here. This response is going to cost the US at least $10 trillion dollars. If it saved even 10 million lives, this comes out to to $1 million dollars/life saved- something that isn't usually done in most cases outside this pandemic, but at least is reasonable on its face. However, if we calculated on a quality adjusted life year, the calculation is far, far worse in the case of saving 10 million lives since the disease overwhelmingly kills the elderly or the already seriously ill. And this is me granting that we saved 10 million Americans from a premature death.
"Michael said...
Perhaps a little off point, so Ann can delete if she wants. Reading the comments on that WaPo piece there's an increasingly ugly rhetoric in this country. Waaay worse than Obamacare, Tea Party, Occupy or even 2016. Couple this with the boom in gun sales and the potential for open street warfare is there. I make no predictions, just to note the potential is there."
You fail to understand that people are buying guns for defense. They understand that people that don't have will ultimately take. By any means required.
TreeJoe,
Your company will fail despite your best efforts if things continue as they are.
Period.
DantheMan,
We are up to 22 million newly applied for unemployment over four weeks
4. Fucking. Weeks.
Also IHMMP, " And maybe putting on big girl panties and coming to terms with the inherent risks of the vocation you chose and continue to do willingly might be the thing to do."
Okay, I don't know what your situation is, but this is not helpful. Not yet a year out of nursing school, hired to work on an interventional cardiology floor that became Covid-only a month ago was not a situation she could have anticipated. Yes, quitting is certainly an option. That's what the nurse manager who hired her did the day they changed her unit to taking only Covid patients. Shortly after that the lab personnel quit coming to their floor and the nurses (sans training) were tasked with drawing labs. Dr.s are "seeing" their patients by phone by calling into the room from their unit desk. Orders are being changed as protocols change and every time they are necessitates another time-consuming donning of PPE. Is your patient coding? No one goes in the room till the PPE is on. Family members are banned from hospital. Suck it up buttercup is not helpful; you really don't want the remaining staff (there were others that did quit pronto) to feel like their personal and professional sacrifices are being scorned, not to mention unheeded.
Not looking for sympathy, just trying to add depth to the overall picture.
At this point mockturtle, you are a threat to my freedom.
You people need to fucking figure this out. You are serving tyranny.
How, Achilles, am I serving tyranny? You are being so irrational about this it's quite impossible to reason with you. I am not 'obeying' anything right now except the speed limit, at least reasonably. It take certain precautions on my own because I believe they have merit. If you live in a state governed by a tyrant, then move. If you are in fact locked in your home while your wife is supporting you*, you could at least pressure your elected officials by phone or text. If you are not locked in your house or under armed guard, then STFU.
* I suspect this is what's eating you.
Sadly, Misplaced My Pants is someone who doesn't even own any 'big girl panties'.
22 million newly unemployed.
That is at least 1 out of seven previously employed people.
So we are now up to at least 18% unemployment.
1/7 = 14.28 plus the 3.6 we already had means 18% unemployment.
And what has the gain been?
Tree Joe
The irony of Birkel's bad faith accusation that you don’t care about people's jobs or economic welfare is the Birkel is the only commenter here to have ever wished for economic suffering, and he has done it several times. In this thread his comment about Wisconsin. In other threads he has said he hopes for and looks forward to economic collapse in Canada.
And you are not seeing him at his worst yet.
I am hoping for the ends that you are cheering, good and hard, Ken B.
You wanted this.
And I hope you are vulnerable to the economic collapse you cheer.
I hope you get what you deserve.
“...nurses: shit sucks for EVERYONE now. And maybe putting on big girl panties and coming to terms with the inherent risks of the vocation you chose and continue to do willingly might be the thing to do. Maybe be grateful that you have a job.”
Nurses wear their big girl panties every single time they walk onto their units to do their jobs, Covid pandemic or not. I’d bet 90% of the whiners and bitchers here wouldn’t be able to do their job, especially with what is happening now.
Vance said, "There is a large, huge, difference between asking people, churches, etc to voluntarily sacrifice for a time to help with a public emergency, and the Democrat method of "You Vill Do What We Say, Serf! Or We Use Big Stick and Beat You To Death!" that's the Chuck/Inga/Ken B method. And It will not work. Americans are good hearted people who want to help out. But the goal is clearly being revealed that our current shutdowns and closures are not meant to help with the virus; they are rather meant to help enslave the population to Big Government and Total Democrat Control. And America won't stand for that."
Amen to that.
There is something to be said for forceful instruction as we saw with Spring Breakers. But threatening people with fines and such? We are not yet at that point - it's heavy handed to say the least. As is telling businesses to "rope off" certain sections of their stores.
Will N
I see you have met a few of the regulars. The bilious hatred is impressive, isn’t it? My step daughter is in the same situation but not as many patients in her hospital yet. But she works long hours, is isolated, has only been on the job two years and is a hero in my book, as is yours.
I'm not going to cast aspersion, just refer to contrary notions to the received wisdom, behind this forced flatline,
“Sadly, Misplaced My Pants is someone who doesn't even own any 'big girl panties'.”
She comes across as an entitled child pretending to be a grown woman.
how is haji of the north, handling things, he seems to be in Cuomo mode, but he must be saying something of note,
Inga
That's it exactly.
I agree with Will N. You guys are beating up his daughter, who is doing a job that is difficult under the best circumstances.
Stop acting like Occupy babies. Our rallies and protests should always exceed expectations of civilized decency. There’s no reason we can’t hold ourselves to that standard, which includes gratitude to medical workers, first responders, and police.
If doing otherwise is your definition of protest, then you’re not my definition of a patriotic, responsible, adult citizen, no matter the issue.
Entitled?
Like with the full panoply of rights afforded to mankind by God and recognized by the US Constitution?
Entitled? Like to a livelihood?
Or self-determination?
Scratch a Leftist and find a totalitarian.
mockturtle said...
At this point mockturtle, you are a threat to my freedom.
You people need to fucking figure this out. You are serving tyranny.
How, Achilles, am I serving tyranny? You are being so irrational about this it's quite impossible to reason with you. I am not 'obeying' anything right now except the speed limit, at least reasonably. It take certain precautions on my own because I believe they have merit. If you live in a state governed by a tyrant, then move. If you are in fact locked in your home while your wife is supporting you*, you could at least pressure your elected officials by phone or text. If you are not locked in your house or under armed guard, then STFU.
* I suspect this is what's eating you.
Sure. That bothers me. Really this is a paid vacation for me. My current job is basically unchanged as far as my pay goes. I am just not doing anything. It is a sham. I open up office hours on google hangout and answer questions poorly now.
If I was a selfish coward this would be great. There are a lot of selfish cowards around.
But we are dealing with that. There are some companies that have been deemed "essential" that I have interviews with coming up.
But the fact that there are "essential" companies and "non-essential" companies is police state bullshit. Colleges are charging tuition for classes that are bullshit. My wife and I are essentially home schooling now while still paying property taxes for a completely non-functioning public education system. Food is being destroyed. Famine is coming just as surely as the killing fields came.
And the numbers are just not there. We are being lied to by every institution we are forced to pay taxes to support. It is garbage.
The real divide right now is between the takers and the makers. The makers are not being allowed to make. They have to produce shit to support themselves.
The takers all think shit just appears magically for them.
There is no reasoning with people like you because you don't think for yourself. The people who are going to starve in the coming years are going to starve because of people like you.
And your stupidity and acceptance of tyranny is becoming a threat.
Tina Trent,
My argument is that society will fracture under the current repression. I'm glad you are noticing.
ndp right,
so Canada is funding a study with the same Wuhan institute, odds they won't screw it up again, magic eightball says likely,
Canadian Government: fuck Canadians!
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5532325?__twitter_impression=true
We could use a preference cascade about now!
On that we agree Birkel: censorship is not the answer.
Not at all, Ken B.
I support your government's efforts to crush your economy and your rights - in particular your rights - as a formerly free person.
I agree with Trudeau: Fuck Ken B.
For the idiots:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
Will N: "Not yet a year out of nursing school, hired to work on an interventional cardiology floor that became Covid-only a month ago was not a situation she could have anticipated."
Hmmmmm.
Note to self: write letter to Nursing School administrators and advise them to add "Pandemics: implications and practices" to the curriculum.
Seriously, this sounds like a few guys I knew during Desert Storm who thought joining the flight program would set them up nicely for the airlines cuz nobody thought there could be a war or anything!
Next we'll be hearing about plumbing apprentices shocked at the amount of s*** they sometimes have to deal with.
Drago,
Plumbers are used to dealing with Ken B.
"I can understand the prohibition on going to second homes "Up North". This could spread the virus to those rural areas that do not have the hospital capacity of the urban areas."
But that didn't stop her from banning interstate travel so the rich spoiled democrat machine elite from Cook and Lake Counties in IL from fleeing to their get aways up north.
Remember when that guy on the internet predicted economic collapse?
Yeah, fuck that guy for causing the collapse by pointing out its likelihood.
Also, fuck the guy who said officials will act as tyrants if given the power we gave them.
If that guy hadn't mentioned that would happen, it would not be actively happening.
Me: Being right sucks.
>>DantheMan,
We are up to 22 million newly applied for unemployment over four weeks
And half of the 30K deaths are in NY/NJ. Who have an incentive to pad the numbers.
So, for 15K deaths, we have to shut down the other 48 states? This makes no sense.
And I have yet to hear our governor say where he gets the authority to close private businesses and tell people they can't leave their homes.
I suspect the reason is he has no such authority.
british Columbia has about 1/10th of the cases as Quebec, which I find a little curious, as that's where that flight from iran landed a month ago, in Vancouver,
Pray for us.
We are destroying ourselves out of fear and panic.
I certainly feel for providers in the hotspots, like Detroit.
And they should be handled differently than vast swaths of WI as well as the foundations that make that sort of attention possible where needed.
There has to be a balance derived in context of societal damage from killing the economy.
Inga,
You posted current numbers.
Do you have any other metric in mind for loosening WI in mind other than "fewer"?
The enemy is the democrat party and the washington post.
Drago, she's adapted well. She's actually well-suited personality-wise to be doing what she's doing. That was not the point. Tina Trent nailed it. Protest. Make your point - while keeping to the physical distancing standard and for goodness sake stay clear of hospitals and emergency vehicles.
I didn't see any Confederate flags in the photos. I did see plenty of Revolutionary War "Don't Tread On Me" flags. There was also one white nationalist KEK flag, modeled on older German flags. But I did follow the link to see the photo of the Confederate battle flag on the sign with the gun and "Come and Take It." Also, the car with the "Proud Boys" sign. Nutcases show up at protests and the press singles them out to discredit the protest.
Do they have a picture of a Confederate flag? Because... Michigan is not exactly a hotbed of Southern pride.
"Nutcases show up at protests and the press singles them out to discredit the protest."
Unless the press supports the protest. Then, they avoid showing the nutcases.
as we asked the other day about perhaps officially establishing a maximum threshold for deaths before implementing severe measures--
Have we not already demonstrated what that threshold is in prior years/epidemics?
WHO decided this was going to be different?
what was the motivation now vs other years/viruses?
What changed?
Election year? Great way to 'get the orange mad bad this time for sure'?
Who cares about the deplorables - I got my government paycheck.
Birkel, Shouting: I'm lucky to be living in a red state. I'm lucky to be living in a rural area. I'm lucky to have a lot of acreage to wander.
I don't just know it: I work very hard politically to sustain it. But I also know that a lot of conservatives don't have my ... spatial ... luck.
I've also spent a good bit of my life in hospitals with medically fragile family members, and I recently spent two years working in a major grocery store, which was when I realized that grocery stores really are pretty much like hospitals that sell little packages of food: they are ground zero for any transmission in any community. When we unpacked boxes from China, we got rashes on our arms. Rashes. Management would shut down any discussion of it.
That is real fascism, and immediate consequences of globalism. May we come out of all of this better prepared to fight such blights.
I fear for my former co-workers, because I know Kroger doesn't give a shit about their health. Not one shit.
Instead of giving employees masks, they are running expensive advertising campaigns telling the public to "thank a Kroger employee."
Frankly, this sort of thing makes me angrier than anything else.
If you are truly freedom-loving and socially conservative, then values matter more than transient positions on any issue. The value of respecting the work of nurses, cops, first responders, grocery workers, butchers, farmers has to make us behave better than our mortal enemies -- the leftist totalitarians.
Yes, they're using this crisis to push the totalitarian envelope.
No, we don't have to stoop to their level. And that includes protesting. Despite the grotesque and absolute malpractice of the media.
Yancey,
" this comes out to to $1 million dollars/life saved- something that isn't usually done in most cases outside this pandemic, but at least is reasonable on its face"
Not even that is reasonable, because it's not remotely sustainable or applicable in the general case.
Weeks ago I suggested the government could but $1MM life insurance policies with the beneficiary unknown and the insured unknown for anybody who had demonstrably dies because of Winnie Xi Flu.
Not with. Because of.
Most people cannot afford and could not qualify for a one million dollar account.
Nobody even considered the idea.
Wisconsin new case increase is LESS THAN 5%
Wsiconsin total case load at 3,875 ...
Not 1 percent of the population
Not a TENTH of a Percent of the population,
BUT about 0.07 percent of the population; which is LESS THAN one person per 1,500 people
So, your Governor locks your state down for ANOTHER Month...
AND, IGNA says: "Good for Governor Evers! I don't work, and i won't be happy until NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN WISCONSIN IS WORKING, EITHER"
197 people have died in Wisconsin from covid-19
So, Igna, WHY is it; that you haven't come out against cigarette use in Wisconsin?
More than 7,700 deaths in Wisconsin are linked to tobacco use or exposure each year.
WHY IS IT, that Cigarette use in Wisconsin is ALLOWED, but going to work isn't???
If you're going to ban something, why aren't you trying to ban something that is dangerous?
So DeBlasio says NYC won't open until July or August at the earliest. By that time, will there be an NYC to reopen? Gov Cuomo says early May - which seems about as late as possible to avoid a complete economic meltdown.
But if it gets 'orange man bad for sure this time' it will probably be worth it.
I hear that soylent green will be available in all five buroughs by then, so they have that going for them.
Will N: "Drago, she's adapted well. She's actually well-suited personality-wise to be doing what she's doing. That was not the point."
Then why did you raise it?
Hospital staff has been laid off and some smaller hospital groups have filed BK petitions.
That is coming to larger hospital groups near you if "elective" procedures stay banned.
But hey, that's what we have to symurrender to keep people from getting sick.
And also maintaining access to medical care.
Get it?
And how long can our dentists, optometrists, dermatologists, etc. stay viable in lockdown? How long till they all go out of business for good?
So you get national health care, but there isn't anyone to provide service - unless you have the WuhFlu?
Inga said... [hush][hide comment]
“Sadly, Misplaced My Pants is someone who doesn't even own any 'big girl panties'.”
She comes across as an entitled child pretending to be a grown woman.
If memory serves, Pants has several kids at home and a husband worried about a couple of thousand employees.
Mockturtle and Inga retired, steady income, money in the bank,living alone, mildly inconvenienced. Nothing much changed for either one, except fear of getting the bug. Absolutely nothing to lose whether shutdown ends, or continues.
Somehow, the secure old grandmas dissing young mom seems a bit off. I blame their parents.
Arashi,
The end comes before that. The system depends on 95+ percent payments with some lag. When banks do not receive their expected level of payments, the total portfolio held by the banks becomes more risky. That means greater reserves are required. That means no new credit offered. And credit markets seize.
At that point, truckers will not accept promises of payment to haul loads. And then people starve.
For pointing this out (and pointing out that ROW will have it worse than America will) I am called an idiot and uncaring and a monster.
Because I see the more substantial risk.
Tina Trent
Up here grocery stores have been quite good. They installed plexiglass shields for cashiers, marked spots on the floor for queuing up at a safe distance, provide wipes for carts, limit the numbers inside the store. They all have web sites with curbside service too. Sad that Kroger hasn’t stepped up.
Birkel - Ah. I have often wondered what happens when enough people refuse to take any payment or promise for payment and instead demand hard currency. At that point we are all screwed and we go to Mad Max scenarios.
This is not how I envisioned retirement, not one single bit.
Birkel: "Hospital staff has been laid off and some smaller hospital groups have filed BK petitions. That is coming to larger hospital groups near you if "elective" procedures stay banned."
More "marginal businesses," as we've been told on this very blog.
Let'm go. Destroying hospitals is the way to save health care.
Arashi,
I have been typing those scenarios for weeks. But I shorten the logical string and I guess people don't understand.
Too many people think food comes from the grocery store and money comes from banks.
This shot cannot last.
“Up here grocery stores have been quite good. They installed plexiglass shields for cashiers, marked spots on the floor for queuing up at a safe distance, provide wipes for carts, limit the numbers inside the store. They all have web sites with curbside service too. Sad that Kroger hasn’t stepped up.”
Here in Wisconsin PickNSave which is owned by Kroger has done the same things. I’m not doubting that they didn’t treat their employees with enough respect, hopefully this pandemic changes that for all sorts of service and retail employees. As a matter of fact most stores have done the same thing here in WI.
"We are up to 22 million newly applied for unemployment over four weeks"
Has one alarmist apologized to a single one?
How many more will it take for the alarmists to assume responsibility for ruining people's lives?
Birkel,
Yes indeed. They don't know where veggies come from, how that steak actually got in the nicely wrapped package, etc. And most of them are 'educated'..
I would love to hear Evers' contributions to those task force to Governors calls.
I find it hard to believe the timing (2 weeks before current expiration) of this wasn't based on averting Fed recommendations planned for today.
I used I am legends sans zombies, as the parallel yes that is a problem, down the road, but that's why they have the national guard, really has comandante Wilhelm thought this out,
@Will N- sorry that this situation has made some people into insensitive assholes and I hope your daughter stays well.
My brothers and I bought bagged silver coin back in the 80s; some physical gold also. Not much, we ain't rich, but you never know--if it becomes valuable it will be VERY valuable.
And yes, we have some other emergency supplies set by. Not much, we ain't Preppers, but you never know.
It will be awful if we have to use all that stuff.
Narr
Awfully awful
Full Moon: I would not have made the remark had Pants not made a judgmental and snotty remark about someone's daughter. She, Achilles and ST are all lashing out at fellow commenters for their misery. Blaming us for their condition! I refuse to accept the blame. While I did have sympathy for their plight, now that they've lost their collective shit and gone postal, I've run out of sympathy.
Blame the pandemic, stop blaming your fellow Americans.
Arashi said...how that steak actually got in the nicely wrapped package, etc.
--
Pelosi's cache of ice cream sent "through the mail".
Gives her energy!
Has one alarmist apologized to a single one?
I suppose I’d qualify as an alarmist in your view. Not apologizing but I’ll be supporting at least one of the newly unemployed, for how long we don’t know. Also providing funds to keep another family member’s small business afloat. Does that count?
Please stop making assumptions that some of us don’t have skin in the game. It’s quite possible to have a view that the virus warranted serious mitigation, disagree with the severity of what’s been done (and see perfectly well that politicians take advantage), but also understand that the economic wreckage is horrendous.
Most of the big and medium chains we shop at (including Kro) are doing as much protection and accommodation--including special hours, extra cleaning, masked and gloved employees, lines and lanes taped out, curbside pickup--as can reasonably be expected.
Driving around this afternoon--60s, sunny, Goodman and Ellington on the CD--I saw SO many people out and doing, yardwork, running, jogging, walking, yoga--and a huge variety of distancing and masking styles from almost nothing to hazmat lite.
It's going to occur eventually to the dimmest among us that "essential" services and businesses will cease to function if the "non-essentials" are out too much longer.
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Common Ffin Sense
CStanley,
Knowing that politicians WOULD DEFINITELY take advantage is a strong argument against doing even what you and I might agree was reasonable.
Right?
New York has 7,500 COVID-19 related and suspected deaths, and just extended their stay at home order until May 15th.
Wisconsin has just 197 COVID-19 related and suspected deaths, and for some reason extended the stay at home order until May 26th? Bizarre. I think people were okay with taking a month to see where this was headed, but another month when the infection and death rates have been flat for weeks and hospital beds (including ICU) are at about 30%? Within minutes of the announcement I saw several Recall Evers sites set up, and I don't doubt they will gain traction as the news spreads.
Will N-
t feels like she is making sacrifices - not just at work, but personally - and trying to dig herself out of a hole that others keep filling.
I appreciate your daughter and I'm sure she's working incredibly hard right now. But the protests seem very similar to anti-war protests. We have soldiers off dying and we never make it illegal to protest that. Imagine how that must feel to them.
It also kind of reminds me of the General who was begging that stupid preacher in Florida not to publicly burn Korans because our soldiers would take the brunt of it. The hospital being blocked reminds me of sooooo many Occupy protests that happened a few years ago, where people laid in the streets to block all roads, including ambulances.
I didn't protest yesterday and I never would protest. But then I never would have thrown tea into Boston Harbor because I'm a chicken like that.
Blame the pandemic, stop blaming your fellow Americans.
Not a chance. Not when assholes like you are not only contributing to the misery, but cheering for more.
Own it.
I applaud the Michigan protesters. Out here in Orange County, there is widespread flouting of the recent mask order. This is exactly how the lockdown will be ended; no politician from Newsom on down will not dare say a word about relaxing the lockdown for fear of legal reprocussions. If but one death occurred after a general all clear was given there would be lawsuits. This along with excessive #metoo, is what HR culture looks like. Rebel, people!
Ken B said...
Tina Trent
Up here grocery stores have been quite good. They installed plexiglass shields for cashiers, marked spots on the floor for queuing up at a safe distance, provide wipes for carts, limit the numbers inside the store. They all have web sites with curbside service too. Sad that Kroger hasn’t stepped up.
Kroger has done those things, too.
Wisconsin has just 197 COVID-19 related and suspected deaths, and for some reason extended the stay at home order until May 26th?
For the first time in my adult life, I'm actually ashamed to say that I'm from Wisconsin. I'm certainly not going to tout it any more.
We have a lot of the Goofus type here https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/04/14/a-failure-but-not-of-prediction/
Please stop making assumptions that some of us don’t have skin in the game. It’s quite possible to have a view that the virus warranted serious mitigation, disagree with the severity of what’s been done (and see perfectly well that politicians take advantage), but also understand that the economic wreckage is horrendous.
You and I agree completely. I suspect that I just am much happier to complain about what my Governor is actually doing, and the people who are so very happy to support her.
No, you are a Concern Troll and a Goofus.
Cost-Benefit means we consider the costs of unemployment and government debt.
Remember when Evers issued the first stay at home order and his Dept. of Health Services Secretary Designee said it was because we could expect "1,500 death in the next 2 weeks"? Instead, the next 2 weeks brought 72 total deaths. And don't tell me it's because "distancing worked!" That's hogwash. It's because the initial calculations were pure scare tactics.
Wisconsin's weekly deaths from all pneumonia-related illnesses (including COVID) has hovered at around 100 per week this year (like every year during flu season), from before Wisconsin's first case, right through this pandemic, with no discernible change.
People are not going to put up with another month. The roads are already busier this week than last, and next week,when this was all supposed to end, will bring open disregard of the extension, I expect.
I don't know who originally said Whitmer stopped people from going to their homes "up north", but that's not what she did. She has stopped people from going to any 2nd home they own in Michigan. It could be on the inland lake to the south. It could be on the thumb to the East. It could be the west coast of lower Michigan. I'm guessing most of those 2nd homes are where people who get really ill will be sent to a hospital in Ann Arbor anyway. Driving distance of the hospitals that will handle the emergency.
"Wisconsin has just 197 COVID-19 related and suspected deaths, and for some reason extended the stay at home order until May 26th? Bizarre"
Yeah, that's Crazy. Looks like the Governor is on a real power trip.
Knowing that politicians WOULD DEFINITELY take advantage is a strong argument against doing even what you and I might agree was reasonable
Not necessarily. It depends on how serious the underlying problem is.
Honestly I’m not sure I understand the strong assumption that governors (in general, not referring to specific ones like Whitmer) are taking measures because of partisanship. How does crashing your state’s tax revenues into dust create a political advantage for them? It seems to me a lot more likely they are reacting in fear, in the typical way that politicians do, assuming that they have to be seen as taking action (even when the action has terrible unintended consequences.)
A predictable - and on these very pages, predicted - power trip.
People who support these policies support their logical and natural endpoints.
CStanley,
The first sentence and the following paragraph do not agree with one another.
You may want to sort your thoughts.
Sadly, Misplaced My Pants is someone who doesn't even own any 'big girl panties
Wow, what a bitchy thing to say.
Are you one of those people who drinks and turns ugly, Ms. You Are In My Prayers?
Althouse writes: People need to work together.
The MSM narrative has been since the days of Nixon vs. Kennedy and especially since the advent of President Donald John Trump is yes, but only if the Left is in charge, otherwise fuck you and be glad we haven't yet thrown you in the gulag.
On the matter of Confederate flags flown in today's Michigan protests, I don't believe it. People who cannot reason (amply demonstrated by Columbia journalism MAs claiming Mini-Mike spent a million for each American trying to win the Democratic nomination) are not prepared to recognize a Confederate banner even when it's waved directly in their collective face. Nor will I believe any video "evidence" they dig up. People who can't tell Kentucky from Syria are not to be trusted.
Somehow, the secure old grandmas dissing young mom seems a bit off. I blame their parents.
I second that. My grandma and mom are dead, but my wife's mother -- not even American -- just shut up and sewed.
Re: all the Corona dictators....be careful of the consequences of your overweening ego trips. Don't over estimate the patience and good will of the American public. Don't push us to the edge. You won't like us when we are angry.
Here is one of our theme songs. We're not gonna take it with lyrics
Also.. we... Won't get fooled again.
Birkel maybe I wasn’t clear. what I mean is, I’m wondering if there is any kind of event that you think poses a serious enough danger to the public to warrant at least *some* of the responses .that governments have taken to this event.
Could there potentially be a viral pandemic serious enough, in your view?
I am, truly, a small government conservative with a serious distrust of political power. But I think it’s also foolish and dangerous for people to value individual liberty so highly that they can’t see collective threats and work to mitigate them. A lot of my concern right now is that by misunderstanding and mistaking the seriousness of this virus, a lot of you fail to recognize that if people would do what is right then our rights wouldn’t need to be stripped from us, and you’d have full moral authority to tell overreaching government officials to go to hell.
CStanley,
The collective threat that is guaranteed is economic collapse if we keep the current set of policies in place. Most people cannot fathom an economic crash because they have not seen one. But the ROW has seen them. They happen to good people and bad alike.
And the effects in ROW are going to be worse than they are inside America.
As for the hypothetical, of course I can imagine quite a few things. Turning greater power over to government has solved how many problems, ever? What does government do better than private enterprise. I will spot you the military. Any others?
a lot of you fail to recognize that if people would do what is right then our rights wouldn’t need to be stripped from us, and you’d have full moral authority to tell overreaching government officials to go to hell.
No words for that bold section where you think we NEED to have our rights stripped from ALL of us because some people act wrongly. We should all go to jail because some people commit crimes. Punish everyone?
Actually, I do have words. Lots of them that are not suitable for public broadcasting. Words that would make a sailor blush.
Here are two though. Fuck YOU.
I’m such an entitled child that I am homeschooling six children, one of whom has debilitating anxiety that requires therapy he cannot access other than over FaceTime. That’s practically a weekend in Vegas, let me tell you!
I am such an entitled child that I am managing the wide and intense emotional needs of the aforementioned six children, one of whom turns four next week and who asks me every day if it’s her birthday so that “all my church and school and ballet friends can come to my house!!!”, [guess what, mock, no one is coming to our house on her birthday!} and all of whom have had all of their lives completely stripped away from them. No friends, no fun, no travel, no school, no church, no sports, no anything other than zoom meetings, shitty ad hoc lessons from school and judgy looks from people if I even take them to a fucking playground.
I’m such an entitled child that I am constantly working how to get groceries and supplies into my house in a constantly changing retail environment.
I’m such an entitled child that I am doing all this myself while my husband is working sixty fucking hours a week trying to save people’s jobs.
I’m such an entitled child that I am continuing to pay the people who provide services to my household who haven’t and won’t because they’re not allowed to, and not cutting them off without income like most are.
I’m such an entitled child that I’m trying to figure out how to do all of this while also reworking our household budget every time we get word of another salary reduction. We’re down to 50% of what he would have made before all this, and consider ourselves lucky to have it.
Do you notice a theme here? People depend on me. People depend on my husband. If that’s being an entitled child, you have a very different understanding of English than I do. How many people depend on you?
Buzz off to your little trailer, mock, and don’t ever talk to me again. But first, remember: I don’t “blame” you for shit. That’s Achilles bag, and I’m sorry you’re pissed at him. As for me, I don’t care about you at all. I don’t “blame” anyone for this. Now THAT would be childish. Shit happens. Biology is biology. I am frustrated with the people who cannot keep their shit together and are running around dismantling society because of their fear of the boogeyman, who also cannot think past their fear of the virus to understand that very soon we are going to LONG for the days when all you had to be afraid of was someone coughing on you.
In the Philippines, outside Clark AB (now closed), I walked into a bar and was confronted with a large confederate flag behind the bar. I was confused. There was nothing about the bar that said 'Southern', or Civil War themed. The music was not Southern Rock or Country & Western. It was Michael Jackson playing, I think. I asked the Filipino bartender about it and he said, "It keeps the blacks out. They start too many fights. We can't ban them or the base will make us Off-limits to all GIs. The flag does that for us. They see it and leave right away." Make of that what you will. Is that racism?
“Wow, what a bitchy thing to say.“
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
I mean, yes yes I respect the sacrifices of health care workers -- who are temporarily replacing the military as the focus of our weird American need to worship a particular vocation -- but the thing is, nurses: shit sucks for EVERYONE now. And maybe putting on big girl panties and coming to terms with the inherent risks of the vocation you chose and continue to do willingly might be the thing to do. Maybe be grateful that you have a job.
4/16/20, 2:38 PM
Cutting and pasting FTW.
SMDH.
"Inga said...
Blame the pandemic, stop blaming your fellow Americans."
Yeah, you or your love ones experience catastrophic loss because of the draconian measures? It's the virus!
Inga, when your family is dumpster diving for food, when you watch a loved one take their last breath, blame the virus. I'm sure they will be fine with all that.
"Inga said...
Blame the pandemic, stop blaming your fellow Americans."
Yeah, you or your love ones experience catastrophic loss because of the draconian measures? It's the virus!
Inga, when your family is dumpster diving for food, when you watch a loved one take their last breath, blame the virus. I'm sure they will be fine with all that.
a lot of you fail to recognize that if people would do what is right then our rights wouldn’t need to be stripped from us, and you’d have full moral authority to tell overreaching government officials to go to hell.
I am not sure I understand this part.
“I’m such an entitled child that I am homeschooling six children, one of whom has debilitating anxiety that requires therapy he cannot access other than over FaceTime. That’s practically a weekend in Vegas, let me tell you!”
Oh cry me a river, your situation is no worse than many other young mothers with children right now. Having 6 children wasn’t forced upon you, you chose it. Stop bitching and feeling sorry for yourself.
“I am such an entitled child that I am managing the wide and intense emotional needs of the aforementioned six children, one of whom turns four next week and who asks me every day if it’s her birthday so that “all my church and school and ballet friends can come to my house!!!”, [guess what, mock, no one is coming to our house on her birthday!} and all of whom have had all of their lives completely stripped away from them. No friends, no fun, no travel, no school, no church, no sports, no anything other than zoom meetings, shitty ad hoc lessons from school and judgy looks from people if I even take them to a fucking playground.”
Oh cry us a river, how are you any different than any other young mother of young children now? Two of my daughters have children, I’ve not heard such self pity from them or from their peers.
“I’m such an entitled child that I am constantly working how to get groceries and supplies into my house in a constantly changing retail environment.”
Again, how are you any different than any other young mother of young children. My daughters have the same challenges with groceries and supplies. Do you think you are special, more deserving of especially treatment than any other young mother now?
“I’m such an entitled child that I am doing all this myself while my husband is working sixty fucking hours a week trying to save people’s jobs.”
So how is your husband any different than any other young father of children who owns a business and has employees? My son in law has the same challenges and I don’t her him whining. I sure hope your husband is less whiny than his wife. My daughter whose husband owns a business has the same challenge.
“I’m such an entitled child that I am continuing to pay the people who provide services to my household who haven’t and won’t because they’re not allowed to, and not cutting them off without income like most are.”
Yes, that’s nice, how are you any different of better than others who do the same thing and don’t sound like you do? My daughters have cleaning women they are still paying even though they aren’t coming.
“I’m such an entitled child that I’m trying to figure out how to do all of this while also reworking our household budget every time we get word ofanother salary reduction. We’re down to 50% of what he would have made before all this, and consider ourselves lucky to have it.”
Yes, I feel as bad for you as I do others who are in the same predicament, but don’t hear them whining and bitching like a child.
“Do you notice a theme here? People depend on me. People depend on my husband. If that’s being an entitled child, you have a very different understanding of English than I do. How many people depend on you?”
Plenty of people depend on my daughters and other young women your age and in your predicament. So how are you any different or more injured than your peers?
“Buzz off to your little trailer, mock, and don’t ever talk to me again. But first, remember: I don’t “blame” you for shit. That’s Achilles bag, and “I’m sorry you’re pissed at him. As for me, I don’t care about you at all. I don’t “blame” anyone for this. Now THAT would be childish. Shit happens. Biology is biology. I am frustrated with the people who cannot keep their shit together and are running around dismantling society because of their fear of the boogeyman, who also cannot think past their fear of the virus to understand that very soon we are going to LONG for the days when all you had to be afraid of was someone coughing on you.”
Wow, put on your big girl panties sweetie, you are no different than countless women now in the time of pandemic.
MayBee,
If that is an Achilles quote, I believe it means stand up against overreaching power grabs every time and it would be easier to do it this time.
If that is an ARM/Inga/etc quote, I believe it means government is taking away rights because of that damned war and Nixon, er... Trump.
Tiger King level cat fights!
There's the Inga we all wish gets the full bore outcome of her preferred policy choices.
Eh, sorry I’m not able to express myself well I guess. Not saying that government should strip us of rights, just that citizens also have responsibilities to act for the collective good in a crisis situation. People should do what is right voluntarily. If we disagree on “what is right” I wish we could discuss and debate in good faith. Emotions running much too high.
Emotions running much too high.
Yes. I'll return when this is all over and maybe people have calmed down. :-(
Worried about starving? Make some friends on the farm now. Go to Craigslist and look under "Farm and Garden" for "beef."
You become the chain. You are forevermore the only chain you'll need.
Eat more beef.
And up your damn milk intake too, 4% Whole only. Do it.
Pants,
As you know I disagree with you on a lot during this. I do empathize though, in part because of some similar life experiences. Fortunately we’re not in the thick of some of those situations at this time. I doubt I need to tell you but kids’ anxiety gets reinforced by parents’ anxiety. Take care of yourself, lean on your faith if you’re a believer. You and your family will come through this.
“Emotions running much too high.”
“Yes. I'll return when this is all over and maybe people have calmed down. :-(“
Pants has been in high dudgeon since day one of the closings. I’ve never seen anything like it as far as hysterical self pity goes.
CStanley,
I don't believe you think government should strip us of rights. I believe, however, that government will inevitably attempt to do that. And I am in good stead. The Founding Father's all believed the same. So too did Toqueville. And Jesus.
I'm suggesting the default is to assume people will act right on their own. I am against this lockdown but I am keeping to myself. I am not grabbing handrails or gripping doorknobs. I am washing my hands a lot. And I have done all the shopping because I worry about my spouse.
But allowing government more power has never worked out well. And I don't think we should test the theory that this time is different.
"I refuse to accept the blame."
We'll hear more of that when The Reckoning starts.
Don't blame me! I didn't mean it! If we only saved one life! We followed the experts! We had "real calculations"! Some bad politicians went too far, I didn't mean it! Livelihood gone, family desperate, 22 million unemployed you say? -- we didn't know, honest!
And if you did lose your job, so sorry, but I refuse to accept the blame for "marginal businesses." Shoulda known better, kiddos, tough luck. But I refuse to accept the blame.
‘And if you did lose your job, so sorry, but I refuse to accept the blame for "marginal businesses." Shoulda known better, kiddos, tough luck. But I refuse to accept the blame.’
Why don’t you blame your President? He supported the mitigation efforts by the Governors. He said so again today. He believed the scientists. He took their advice. Why are you blaming your fellow Americans who have no Presidential powers?
Pants...things are going to get better. Ignore nasty people and just do your best. This too shall pass. Wine helps :)
Yes, let's all blame the president for following the constitutional structure of these United States.
That doesn't seem psycho at all.
And the Democratics governors who are actually the proximate cause of the lockdowns?
Of course we hold them harmless in this plan?
I hope the people who want these policies get their expected outcomes.
Good and Hard.
@Inga: The problem with your point-by-point attempted retort to Pants at 7:49 is that you use your own children to rebut her direct experience. We're not interested in that because you are not authorized to speak for them. We want to hear your feelings and ideas -- not what you project using your children. This has been a long-standing weakness in your commenting here for years now: Using your children (without their permission?) to rebut various arguments. It just doesn't wash. You have to speak for yourself.
"We want to hear *your* feelings and ideas"
Pretty sure I don't, going forward--I have already heard is a more than lifetime supply.
Inga, I know of nurses and health care workers who are being laid off now because nobody is doing elective surgeries. Do you think your job would not be in jeopardy now (if you were still working)? You don't give a shit because you're comfortably retired. My husband has financial reserves but he is worried sick about all the layoffs at the Ortho Hospital.
Again, you have no compassion for people who are not like you.
Good for you for making masks. Now stop being hysterical and think about people who are suffering terribly economically. Stop being such an unthinking shill for your Democrat masters.
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@Inga: The problem with your point-by-point attempted retort to Pants at 7:49 is that you use your own children to rebut her direct experience. "
Again, it seems that Inga simply can't relate to people outside her own field (comfortably retired and safely in the burbs) or outside her own family.
Farmers, hair dressers, small business people - fuck them, sez Inga.
...experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, ...
Some of the edicts make sense of some kind, and while frustrating and leading down a path of economic ruin, people put up with it. When those who purport power, start using that to control the population to bend to their arbitrary whim, then that is the evidence of evil.
Pants- xoxo
Corona Ken B,
I’m pretty much done reading your comments. The truths you might have to share have been indulged with narrow minded focus and smug righteousness...condescension even.
If you’ve burned up your good faith please don’t appeal to the moderator, backpedal and act like a bitch. Go find a better forum for yourself. Act like a man and move on if you’ve decided that’s all you have to say.
The WaPoo WaPoops another "big one".
Remember, that Inga the State's Handmaiden NEVER considers economic consequences, else she wouldn't be such a statist. She doesn't even consider Democide.
Every year the number of regulations, dictates, rules, decrees, guidelines, statutes, laws, and bylaws in the United States grows by leaps and bounds. Just look at the growth in the number of final rules contained in the Federal Register from 4,000+ regulations in 1992 to over 94,000 regulations in 2019. Government over reach and the collapse of society and cultures is evident in these numbers. Yet people say that “The government is corrupt, it lies about everything and betrays its citizens, let’s give it more power!”
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