Here's something I wrote in October 2013, "Scott Walker gives up fighting for the permit requirement for protests in the Capitol":
Under pressure from an ACLU lawsuit.As for this week's protest — the organizers of the protest seem mostly concerned about getting access to the Capitol so they can use the bathrooms or at getting an outdoor permit so that
Under the new rules, groups must notify the DOA of a gathering of 12 or more people two business days before the event takes place. The notification may be sent by phone, email, in person or by a state form, according to the statement. There is no limit on the number of notifications groups and individuals can submit.That's a good resolution of the problem. There's a long tradition of spontaneous protests in the Wisconsin Capitol building, and the permit requirement interfered with it. Yeah, sometimes the protests get way out of hand, and the building does require security that varies when a lot of people show up at once, but focus on those real issues. Don't have a policy that's designed — or seems to be designed — to suppress spontaneity.
portable bathroom companies will work with them. But the Capitol building is closed and won't be opened and, as for the outdoors, the Department of Administration (DOA) says the planned protest "poses a hazard to the safety of the public." So the permit was denied.
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iCallahan, how unserious are you that you cannot Google the population of Wisconsin?
Yes, there has been a change in Marks.
This one sounds more reasonable than the one earlier in the thread...
Some conservatives continue to romanticize Scott Walker as a principled man of action. He is instead a villain and a shabby presidential candidate who lacked the star power and drama of Donald Trump. This man's ridiculous agenda included a ban on abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy (!), an expansion of school vouchers and enhanced drug testing for people on welfare. After Mr. Walker ended job security for tenured professors (nice!), he then cut funding to state universities. He hated workers so much that he ended Wisconsin's "living wage" law and made the state a "right to work state." Mr. Walker ticked off all the right boxes, his resume sizzled but his personality sucked.
there are two lefty Mark's
Huh???
You mean that there are THREE Marks now?
Cause one of them is a traditional conservative -- although to be accurate, a classical liberal.
iCallahan, how unserious are you that you cannot Google the population of Wisconsin?
$5.82 million. Guess what? 225 is still a small number. Your gotcha comment doesn't change the bottom line at all. Care to address that?
This man's ridiculous agenda included a ban on abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy
It should have been less than that. I'd go 12 weeks.
an expansion of school vouchers
It should be more than expanded. It should be mandated. No public school should have a monopoly anywhere.
and enhanced drug testing for people on welfare.
Good. I don't want them getting high on my dime.
After Mr. Walker ended job security for tenured professors (nice!), he then cut funding to state universities.
Good, and good. These schools have massive endowment funds, and NO ONE should be guaranteed a job. Keep it on merit, or find another one.
Spiros, if you're trying to change minds, I think you're doing it wrong.
"I totally agree with this. I just don't think they took those actions believing that that would be the outcome. Absent some pretty clear evidence to the contrary, I usually prefer incompetence as an explanation over malfeasance. …"
That's fine, and I don't disagree with you on the examples you gave. But I think when the issue is short-term policies in advance of an upcoming election the calculus is different.
I ascribe all 'Mark' comments to a single commenter, because I'm tired of having to check his profile.
Really, Mike -- because all Mikes look alike -- it's not that hard to tell the difference.
That 225 is the highest amount of cases per day recorded in Wisconsin?
What part of that is incorrect?
Jesus fucking Christ you are dense
But I think when the issue is short-term policies in advance of an upcoming election the calculus is different.
All of the things they've thrown at Trump over the past 3-1/2 years are not examples of incompetence. They're flat-out malfeasance. And this pandemic is a golden opportunity to actually do some real damage to Trump, to the point where we get that nitwit Biden as president.
In the long run, J Farmer may have been right. In the last 3 years? Nope.
The numbers of Covid cases have been climbing, not declining in WI. Trump’s own criteria is to see a decline before proceeding to opening up the country. A downward trajectory for 2 weeks. We haven’t seen this in Wisconsin. And with the idiots protesting in large groups yelling stupid slogans loudly in each other’s faces, I doubt we’ll be seeing a downward trajectory anytime soon.
"Care to address that?"
Any Mark will do.
Mark said... "I see WI reported a high number of new cases today with 225."
Yesterday was also the biggest single-day jump in the number of people tested since testing really got underway in mid-March. As we've seen from the start, test for more cases, find more cases. Not really a mystery.
What HAS trended down since April 4 is the number of deaths per day, down to a total of 4 yesterday. Except for the heightened fear and awareness around COVID-19, these deaths have so far been virtually indistinguishable among Wisconsin's "normal" 100 weekly influenza-pneumonia associated deaths, and have not led to "excess" mortality in the state.
Inga said...
“Cases have gone down, Curious George?
I see WI reported a high number of new cases today with 225.”
Up from 121 yesterday. That’s a big spike."
The WI website doesn't show today, but since we have 2-14 days for symptoms to show, there should have been increases prior. There were not. Secondly they can attribute cases to those that voted in person so as of yesterday "State health officials in Wisconsin said Tuesday that 19 people who have either voted in-person or worked at a polling site on election day have so far tested positive for COVID-19 after April 9, two days after the spring election, underscoring the risks of forging ahead with an in-person voting during the height of the widespread and deadly public health crisis."
So 19 for the two week window. That's just a maybe though."But a department spokesperson told ABC News that several of those people "reported other possible exposures as well." Officials are hesitant to link the new cases of the coronavirus directly to the election."
You know why there are hesitant. Because they can't. So of all those people two weeks out 19 MIGHT have been infected by voting. So 19 of of more then a thousand cases. Clear that the election spike did not happen.
And there were many many many more people voting than will be showing up at the Madison protest.
That 225 is the highest amount of cases per day recorded in Wisconsin? What part of that is incorrect? Jesus fucking Christ you are dense
Who said it was incorrect? And before you call anyone dense, maybe you ought to check the mirror.
I said the number - 225 - was small in comparison to the state's total population. 225 people catch the flu on any January day in Wisconsin. They don't shut down the whole state for it.
Are you able to keep up with that, or do you want me to explain it again?
If the "Mark" comment is during the day, it is highly unlikely that it is me.
I work for a living.
Still.
Yes, I'm still doing work work, and not the usual work-from-home "work" that allows you to go for walks and clean the house and sleep in until 10. And that ain't right.
Trump gets the #Resistance to hydroxychloriquine:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-treatment-vaccine-doctor-says-worry-about-trump-idea-led-to-ouster.html
A doctor who was removed as head of the federal agency that is helping develop a vaccine for the coronavirus said he was ousted he called for resistance to widespread adoption of a drug promoted by President Donald Trump as a treatment for Covid-19.
Resist all you want, guys. You're expendable.
rump’s own criteria is to see a decline before proceeding to opening up the country. A downward trajectory for 2 weeks. We haven’t seen this in Wisconsin. And with the idiots protesting in large groups yelling stupid slogans loudly in each other’s faces, I doubt we’ll be seeing a downward trajectory anytime soon.
Oddly enough, that's all probably true. It's the lockdown that's causing that. The disease cannot naturally progress if everyone is locked away, but it can hit people at a trickle. Which is exactly what we're all seeing. We'd all be on the downslope already if we weren't forced to be prisoners in our own homes.
In other words, your side is causing that slow improvement; you're NOT making things better.
Any Mark will do.
Well, now I need to go read the whole damn thread to see what nonsense has been said.
Nah. Not that important to me.
I'm sure it is the exact same BORING and TEDIOUS argument that has gone on every day for the last month.
Inga: " And with the idiots protesting in large groups yelling stupid slogans loudly in each other’s faces, I doubt we’ll be seeing a downward trajectory anytime soon."
Note: Inga approves of NYC keeping the subways and Central Park wide open for all to use.
"The numbers of Covid cases have been climbing, not declining in WI."
I don't think that's right. It's been flat, not climbing, for a month.
I can't link to the site I follow this, because it's google and I can't get past the URL alias.
Mark at 3:52 and Inga at 3:58: a basic thought process might be that more testing is finally being done. Maybe Tony finally got his ducks in a row and told Poole to test more.
The real question is based on higher testing is the amount of cases a higher or lower percentage than in the past.
I am no freaking math genius but if you’ve tested 10X more people you just might have more positive results.
Where are your numbers on that?
Here is the Milwaukee County COVID site. I agree that case #s are not really climbing anymore.
"Cases have gone down, Curious George?
I see WI reported a high number of new cases today with 225."
225 out of a population of 5.28 million is not really a very high number.
Bottom line: we were told we just wanted to flatten the curve. The curve is flat people. There are only 355 hospitalized patients in Wisconsin and over 4,000 available hospital beds. Hospitalizations are going down. Fatalities are going down.
Zero transmission is not realistic. We should also consider that 100-200 new cases a day could be the low limit on this.
“A doctor who was removed as head of the federal agency that is helping develop a vaccine for the coronavirus said he was ousted he called for resistance to widespread adoption of a drug promoted by President Donald Trump as a treatment for Covid-19.
Resist all you want, guys. You're expendable.”
This reminds me of China, in which the doctor let the cat of of the bag that there was a strange pneumonia like illness coming into the ERs. What did China do to this brave man? They arrested him. Our American doctor wasn’t arrested but he was punished for speaking the truth.
"Nah. Not that important to me."
Is it important to you that others ascribe your comments to you?
“Hospitalizations are going down. Fatalities are going down.”
Hospitalizations and deaths are always delayed after getting new cases. It takes generally two weeks for someone to be hospitalized and/or die after positive test results and symptoms. The spike of 225 cases today in WI will most likely bring a spike in hospitalizations and deaths in 10 to 14 days.
It shouldn't really matter who says it or does it. It should matter what is said.
THANK YOU, ACHILLES.
“Here is the Milwaukee County COVID site. I agree that case #s are not really climbing anymore.”
This is not true. Look at the graphs.
Methinks there is far too much reliance upon "incompetence" as opposed to malevolence on the part of politicians misdeeds. It's often the intellectual's smokescreen. Remember the collusion gambit? Hillary was gonna win, then memory hole. Epstein didn't kill himself.
These pols have counselors like the Podestas
Inga, are you conflating new cases with cumulative totals?
Additionally, Wisconsin has 72 counties, and outside of the 7 Milwaukee area counties and Dane County (Madison) here's the breakdown of COVID-19 deaths:
40 counties: ZERO deaths
17 counties: 1 death
3 counties: 2 deaths
4 counties: 3 deaths
Why in the world would these counties have to wait for Milwaukee to "bounce back" before removing restrictions?!?
Our American doctor wasn’t arrested but he was punished for speaking the truth.
From the CNBC story:
“The results from the Administration’s refusal to listen to the experts and to sideline those like Dr. Bright who point out any errors in the government’s response will continue to be catastrophic for the American people,” said (Debra) Katz and (Lisa) Banks, whose law firm specializes in representing whistleblowers.
Katz in 2018 represented Christine Blasey Ford, a Stanford University psychology professor who testified that she was sexually assaulted by Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh when they were high school students.
Poor widdle doctor went and hired Kristine Blasey Ford's attornies.
Inga, you see we have a database of the #Resistance.
And long memories.
Expendable.
I'm not going to go chasing my tail, OM. Most folks figure it out.
And why should I be the one to change after seven or eight years?
Regardless of what happens in the next couple of months, it's become pretty clear to me that aversion to government stimulus has receded past a tipping point. And that's probably a good thing. We have the capacity to contain the shocks from the economy being in hibernation for a few months.
“ Regardless of what happens in the next couple of months, it's become pretty clear to me that aversion to government stimulus has receded past a tipping point. And that's probably a good thing. We have the capacity to contain the shocks from the economy being in hibernation for a few months.”
I think that is probably right. Much uncertainty though. I think we are about to embark on a few rounds of lockdown yo-yo. Even though deaths
Reached their highest yesterday there is an irrational certainty that “we have it licked”. I don’t think we do. We have the curve flattened, and want to keep it flattened, but that doesn’t mean we have it beaten.
@BUMBLE BEE:
Methinks there is far too much reliance upon "incompetence" as opposed to malevolence on the part of politicians misdeeds. It's often the intellectual's smokescreen. Remember the collusion gambit? Hillary was gonna win, then memory hole. Epstein didn't kill himself.
Not to say that malfeasance is never an explanation. But if you want to assert malfeasance, you should be able to justify by a preponderance of the evidence, at least. Most politicians are not Machiavellian geniuses. Instead, they do things like dump their stock portfolio the day after an intelligence briefing and two weeks before the market crashes. Or let a cum-stained dress bring them down. Or make a claim about WMD to justify an invasion that immediately proved you wrong.
It seems to me that the people responsible for this mess are the "experts" who told us masks make everything worse. Imagine the parallel universe where that didn't happen. In that universe everyone operates as if wearing a mask is an effective mitigation strategy.
Instead of closing down the country, we would have an additional option. Mask up and wash your hands frequently. But in our dumb universe the "experts" had already taken that option off the table.
Would it have worked? It sure seems like it. We just conducted an election where our citizens wore masks and practiced distancing. And... everything was fine. Generalissimo Evers was so terrified of the end of days prophecies that he tried to cancel an election after already confessing it was an illegal act. But... everything was fine.
Why? Because just like safe sex is an alternative to abstinence. Safe social is a viable and effective alternative to "everyone stay in their house for two months."
And whoever our "experts" were who told us masks were bad need to be fired. Today. Think of all the people who have lost their jobs because of the big masks-make-it-worse lie.
"And why should I be the one to change after seven or eight years?"
To help the people who enjoy your comments.
Wisconsin is actually in the temperature/humidity range that Coronaviruses survive in the environment.
I would close down all mass transit.
I would recommend people use face masks in public and washing hands is important.
I would isolate people at high risk of serious complications.
Schools and public spaces should remain open and businesses should be given guidance and resources to help mitigate.
"No way. Why should I change? He's the one who sucks."
https://youtu.be/ADgS_vMGgzY
J. Farmer said...
Regardless of what happens in the next couple of months, it's become pretty clear to me that aversion to government stimulus has receded past a tipping point. And that's probably a good thing. We have the capacity to contain the shocks from the economy being in hibernation for a few months.
The government is investing in debt and false promises. I understand what you are saying on one level. I disagree on a fundamental level.
I think Social Security is terrible.
The best way to destroy it is to print money.
But two wrongs don't make a right.
I understand, Mark. I felt the same way. "I was here first". But you know what? That's just pride.
Would it be too lefty to say, "Go Earth!"?
It's my favorite planet.
Proper protocol is to respond back with a different reference/quote.
In this case, Office Space.
"Hospitalizations and deaths are always delayed after getting new cases. It takes generally two weeks for someone to be hospitalized and/or die after positive test results and symptoms. The spike of 225 cases today in WI will most likely bring a spike in hospitalizations and deaths in 10 to 14 days."
Over the last week we averaged about 10.2 fatalities a day. The week before it was 11.9 fatalities a day.
QUESTION 1: What is your prediction for average fatalities per day during the major "spike" in two weeks?
QUESTIOn 2: Care to wager?
I don't need 15 pieces of flair for people to figure out who I am.
Calypso: "40 counties: ZERO deaths
17 counties: 1 death
3 counties: 2 deaths
4 counties: 3 deaths
Why in the world would these counties have to wait for Milwaukee to "bounce back" before removing restrictions?!?"
You are not assuming, I hope, that Alarmist Virus Theater is about saving lives.
It was always insane. Now it's getting nasty as well.
It takes generally two weeks for someone to be hospitalized and/or die after positive test results and symptoms.
For those who get it bad, they go downhill real quick after they have had it long enough to show symptoms and, hence, get tested.
"In this case, Office Space."
I'm sorry. I got nuthin.
Regarding the daily "case" count in WI, which the Bucky Bounce House Plan depends on:
(April 21)
"There are 4,620 positive cases of COVID-19 in Wisconsin, the state Department of Health Services announced Tuesday, a jump of 121 cases from the day before.
According to figures from DHS, 242 people in Wisconsin have died from COVID-19 as of Tuesday afternoon.
DHS reports 1,252 people have been hospitalized because of the virus. That means at least 27 percent of people who have tested positive for the new coronavirus in the state have been hospitalized. DHS officials have said they don't know the hospitalization history of 18 percent of cases.
Across the state, 47,841 people have tested negative for the virus so far. From Monday to Tuesday, the number of negative test results increased by 3,238.
With recent increases in testing capacity, health officials are loosening restrictions on who can get tested, subject to the availability of testing supplies.
Gov. Tony Evers announced Monday Wisconsin has 36 labs performing COVID-19 tests, up from eight labs one month ago.
In addition to increased testing efforts, 11 National Guard teams are serving a "rapid response role in hotspots and underserved areas of the state," the governor’s office said."
https://www.wpr.org/dhs-4-620-confirmed-covid-19-cases-wisconsin
LINK
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About our data
All data are laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19 that we freeze once a day to verify and ensure that we are reporting accurate information. These numbers are the official state numbers, though counties may report their own totals independent of DHS. Combining the DHS and local totals may result in inaccurate totals.
Data shown below are subject to change. As individual cases are investigated by public health, there may be corrections to the status and details of cases that result in changes to this information.
Deaths must be reported by health care providers, medical examiners/coroners, and recorded by local health departments in order to be counted.
The number of people with negative test results includes only Wisconsin residents who had negative test results reported electronically to DHS. As a result, this number underestimates the total number of Wisconsin residents with negative test results."
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/cases.htm
LINK
BREAKING --
CDC Director who Washington Post tried to use to jack up alarm about a second wave is correcting the record right now.
And re: "I see WI reported a high number of new cases today with 225. Up from 121 yesterday. That’s a big spike"
The JBS meatpacking plant in Green Bay had an outbreak this week, so they tested 500 contact-traced employees yesterday and got 93 positives, which explains the higher number of daily tests, the big jump in positive cases, and the higher than positive test rate (since it was from a known-infected population).
"The spike of 225 cases today in WI will most likely bring a spike in hospitalizations and deaths in 10 to 14 days."
I'll take that bet. Because these are working-age, non-disabled people, the hospitalization and fatality rates can be expected to be extremely low.
Beware the purveyors of pessimism and despair.
Washington Post headline/story --
CDC director warns virus’s second wave likely to be even worse
The alarm they tried to foment proved to be FAKE NEWS.
And, of course, AH press corpse tries to continue the narrative.
Well, I have been preaching Democrat party malfeasance, but I will grant Farmer his due of massive Democrat incompentence. Apparently, it is official New York State policy to send older, aged patients who are active and symptomatic with Covid-19 back to their nursing homes, while still sick no less, and the nursing home cannot refuse them.
Governor Cuomo apparently didn't know, nor much care about it... all while telling people who don't have a job to "get an essential job" if you want to work. Like, apparently, cram for that EMT exam and take it next week. Easy enough, right?
Oh yes, speaking of EMT's in New York: the guvnor just issued a rule forbidding the EMT and emergency personnel from reviving or attempting to revive people suffering cardiac arrest-- a mandatory "do not resuscitate" order.
The New York State health department... officially one of Sarah Palin's famous "Death panels" now. You have a heart attack, you be dead, man. Against the law to try to save you! Thank a Democrat today!
"The spike of 225 cases today in WI will most likely bring a spike in hospitalizations and deaths in 10 to 14 days."
Not if it's just the result of increased testing, it won't.
“I'll take that bet. Because these are working-age, non-disabled people, the hospitalization and fatality rates can be expected to be extremely low.”
Maybe so among these younger people, but what more vulnerable people in the community were they in contact with?
About those alarmist stories about that "study" of hydroxychloroquine --
Headline at Washington Post --
In New York’s largest hospital system, 88 percent of patients on ventilators didn’t make it
With those kinds of outcomes, clearly we need to stop using ventilators. Obviously they offer a false promise and, worse, they are killing people.
AH reporters DEMANDING that the alarmist we're-all-going-to-die pessimism become national policy. Yelling and arguing and fighting against experts' statements to the contrary.
In Wisconsin, more people older than 90 have died with COVID than people younger than 60.
I think Evers wants a gate of 85,000 combination antibody/antigen tests per week vs our 52k standard tests so far total.
So with increased testing and loosening criteria for testing (in previous post), we will still be tied to declines in cases.
Sounds like a forever plan.
IF the spike is due to increased testing, it doesn't represent a real increase in the number of people infected. Therefore there won't be an increase in hospitalizations or deaths.
@Mark:
In New York’s largest hospital system, 88 percent of patients on ventilators didn’t make it
Hasn't been looked at systematically (very hard to do in a clinical setting in real time), but physicians on the front lines are adapting as their learning more about the physiology of the disease. The virus seems to injure the lungs in a couple of different ways. Apparently, some cases are better on just a nasal cannula or if on a ventilator, under less pressure. One physician reported that in some patients the damage to the lung is closer to an altitude sickness than a class respiratory illness. Having patients lay on their stomachs seems to be useful, too.
This is all anecdotal, obviously. but this is another benefit to slowing the spread. Less patients to manage gives more time to observe and change course. It seems in the earlier cases, with less firsthand observation of treating Covid-19 cases, standard procedure was to put on ventilator.
@Achilles:
The best way to destroy it is to print money.
This is a pretty widespread myth up to a point. The US has the capacity to sustain much more debt than we have been historically. Hyperinflation is largely a phenomenon of a collapse in productive capacity, particularly bad for countries whose debts are in a currency other than their own. Zimbabwe's hyperinflation was mostly a result of Mugabe's corruption and replacing productive white farmers with unproductive black ones.
@Vance:
The New York State health department... officially one of Sarah Palin's famous "Death panels" now. You have a heart attack, you be dead, man. Against the law to try to save you! Thank a Democrat today!
We're all death panelists now.
First Amendment rights
are really pretty cool but
we'll deny them now
Original Mike
You just posted this
A->B therefore B
OM,
For some reason, WI DHS doesn't show hospital rate or capacity longitudinally, just a daily snapshot:
Hospital Capabilities
Deaths are given across time:
Deaths
Wisconsin Hospital Association has extensive charting.
WHA COVID data
Ken B, what an asinine and inappropriate comparison.
yes, they operate like the ipab, which was in the stimulus bill, not the health care bill, but they operated together like the parts of pinheads cubes,
The world market capitalism monetary system is built on one thing: the full faith and credit of the American people.
You negative Nancy's don't believe in the USA or in American exceptionalism. Move to China, traitors.
here's your sign, Stephen
Inga said...
“A doctor who was removed as head of the federal agency that is helping develop a vaccine for the coronavirus said he was ousted he called for resistance to widespread adoption of a drug promoted by President Donald Trump as a treatment for Covid-19.
This reminds me of China, in which the doctor let the cat of of the bag that there was a strange pneumonia like illness coming into the ERs. What did China do to this brave man? They arrested him. Our American doctor wasn’t arrested but he was punished for speaking the truth.
***********
Other than the American doctor objecting to Trump's position, what "truth" was he punished for speaking?
Have you ever worked in a business, Inga? Do you know what generally happens when you disagree publicly with a policy set by the CEO? You are shown the door.
Objecting to Trump's policies is above the Doc's pay grade, as Joe Biden was wont to say back when he had a coupla working neurons.
"...all while telling people who don't have a job to "get an essential job" if you want to work. Like, apparently, cram for that EMT exam and take it next week."
More like go stock shelves for Amazon. This is unbelievable. He should resign if he thinks this:
https://youtu.be/FbJZJc6Gims
its like James Hansen at nasa, he said he was 'silenced' but he's never shut up in thirty years,
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/politics/coronavirus-china-disinformation.html
Chinese agents worked to foment fear amongst Americans RE: Winnie Xi Flu.
Wash your shoes.
11 million dead.
Destroy the economy.
Help spread the propaganda, Concern Trolls.
@narciso:
yes, they operate like the ipab, which was in the stimulus bill, not the health care bill, but they operated together like the parts of pinheads cubes,
If "they" is "death panels," both were in the healthcare bill, but the section dubbed "death panels" was removed in the Senate before passage.
"To help the people who enjoy your comments."
He should change it to "Original Mark." No, wait, that's too close to "Original Mike." Maybe "Famous Original Mark."
Chinese agents worked to foment fear amongst Americans RE: Winnie Xi Flu.
Ha. My favorite part: "Experts see a convergence with Russian tactics."
I'm guessing the China text messages and social media posts contributed as much to the panic a Russia's Facebook ads did to the 2016 campaign. Certainly not as much as America's Dad, Tom Hanks, announcing his diagnosis. Come to think of it...was that diagnosis ever independently verified?
the new York state department of health, who are kin to the nhs and likeminded bodies,
I like Famous Original Mark. He'd become legendary.
He could have taken The Good Mark, but Ken tainted that.
Would it be too lefty to say, "Go Earth!"? It's my favorite planet.
Too parochial. The world is 3-dimensional, not 2. There's a whole Universe out there, not just this dust-mote of a planet.
Today's word is lugubrious.
They went long with the briefing. And then I sat back on the couch to watch. And then I leaned over to watch. And then I was laying down to watch. And then I was asleep.
Same old pattern.
But I woke up in time to catch me some Martha. Mmmm.
We know China has bribed people all across America.
That Harvard scientist who was arrested is but one example.
Anybody who doubts it is a fool.
And Smug has absolutely no understanding of economics.
It's hilarious.
Meanwhile, they are buzzing around on Star Trek.
Meanwhile,
Joe Biden to name selection panel for running mate by May 1
The presumptive Democratic nominee has said that he would name a woman to be his running mate.
They are not going to let him make his own choice.
the thalosians, I don't think how that's practically possible,
this has been the province of James Rollins omega taskforce novel, there's always a pathogen or biological weapon, that is revealed
Meanwhile, Kirk learns what a quickie is really like.
in other news,
Oh man. Worrying about jihadists seems almost quaint these days. Can you believe we ever let ourselves get so worked up over 3,000 measly deaths?
And Smug has absolutely no understanding of economics.
It's hilarious.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wake me when it's over.
But no, he's right. All the expert economist assure us I'm totally wrong. And if we've learned anything over this past month, it's that when experts tell you something, you can take it to the bank.
You've seen first hand how they wound up with Trudeau.
so would kirk be more a hornblower type character, ala cs, forester, jack Aubrey came later, so there can't be direct inspiration,
here's a note for the café, how homeland, which has already done the fonzi jump, contrasts with seal team, in the treatment of Afghanistan, the former is very naïve about that world, even though the previous one was a wakeup call, with the attack on the bus carrying the operators from kohat, then they dropped the point, the latter is more realistic I think,
This much is sure for the states --
The MOST important thing is to protect those gold-plated public union extorted "pension" benefits where people draw their entire salary after a few years of working, many years/decades before the shlub taxpayers whose own much-needed funds are taken from them to pay for their obscene "benefits."
Hey religious instructor Mark, is this an open thread? Do we really have to be updated on your Star Trek episodes on this thread? It can’t wait for an open thread?
No, no, Inga's right: we should focus on Democrat power grabs, telling the little people to go die while the Democrat politicians eat $13 pints of ice cream from their $24,000 dollar freezers that they just got restocked. Maybe Inga, the Christian that she vehemently claims to be, wants to focus on Democrat governors arresting Christian ministers and parishioners while saying murdering your baby is an "essential activity." Or buying weed. You can go stand in line without a mask to buy weed, and Democrats cheer, but if you want to worship God they will send the Swat team out.
Inga wants more discussion of that kind of thing, apparently.
Commentators named “Mike” are smarter than commentators named “Mark.” We index ourselves with an initial (K) or an adjective (Original, Big).
Ouch.
Although when some just use initials to refer to the other commenter . . .
Vance,
I’m all for you folks gathering anywhere and everywhere you desire. Sit as close together as you please, sing and talk and yell slogans as loud as you want. FYI, there are plenty of “little people” who agree with Trump’s and the Governor’s guide lines for opening the economy. You my not be aware that the Governor's are abiding by the Trump administration’s guide lines.
But forget what the Governors’ want, do your own thing, go forth in large groups and be happy for it! The rest of us will bide our time and observe what happens to you canaries.
@Inga:
Some friendly unsolicited advice. Don’t bother.
All alcohol and marihuana is is ironic.
'Commentators named “Mike” are smarter than commentators named “Mark.” We index ourselves with an initial (K) or an adjective (Original, Big).'
I often get you and Original mixed up. Hope you're both okay with that.
With the screen tilted like that, Batman should be bursting in at any second.
“@Inga:
Some friendly unsolicited advice. Don’t bother.”
Yeah, I usually don’t.
Scalos will be forced to socially distance and quarantine.
Someone's magic underwear is bunching up
Trump backs down on parts of GA Gov reopen plan. "We gonna smackdown the covid double-tap."
It's like he's a deep state puppet.
Speaking of Office Space -- Vice.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/22/larry-kudlow-businesses-coronavirus-infections-201026
“White House Economic Adviser Larry Kudlow on Wednesday said that businesses should not be held responsible for employees or customers getting sick as governors move to reopen state economies.
Kudlow’s comments come after President Donald Trump on Monday said the White House was looking at ways to rid companies of liability, shielding them from lawsuits and other legal problems that could emerge if coronavirus affects employees and customers.”
This one made me laugh. I guess they’re not so sure that people won’t be infecting each other as they open up the country.
Wisconsin’s jump in cases were entirely from two meat packing plants in Green Bay. The rest of the state has continued to decline
We will be infecting each other, it just won't do any harm.
That would really piss of the trial lawyers.
And the Covid liability insurance agents.
“We will be infecting each other, it just won't do any harm.”
How do you know this? What killed those 184,204 people worldwide?
“ Wisconsin’s jump in cases were entirely from two meat packing plants in Green Bay.”
So it’s an actual increase and those suggesting it was an artifact were wrong.
Next question. Are there workplaces in Wisconsin that might become hot spots?
Yeah--pretty cool. Who knew that Alfred E. Neumann "what me worry" had been elected governor of Wisconsin.
Wisconsin’s jump in cases were entirely from two meat packing plants in Green Bay.”
“So it’s an actual increase and those suggesting it was an artifact were wrong.
Next question. Are there workplaces in Wisconsin that might become hot spots?”
I was going to ask if those meat packer workers were not human ... or what? Why should they be discounted?
“White House Economic Adviser Larry Kudlow on Wednesday said that businesses should not be held responsible for employees or customers getting sick as governors move to reopen state economies.
Ha. When we elected populist Trump, I was sure hoping he'd make a Reaganite supply-side dinosaur the head of his NEC. Fresh thinking!
Over 2300 dead yesterday per Worldometer. That’s over 5,000 in 2 days. For those dismissing this as a hoax or a plot or unimportant.
Anybody else remember when I warned government jobs would be cut? And universities closed? And pensions destroyed?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-relief-bill-layoffs-coming-to-state-local-governments.html
Those things were pretty cool, too.
I don't know for certain, and neither do you, but the odds are in my favor.
I say let them eat rocks.
Bakers are not all "essential" so there won't be enough apocryphal cake.
Or proverbial.
Your time will come when it is ready. You should take every precaution you think prudent and necessary. I will do the same. I am not a risk or threat to you. Leaving my house. Walking on a beach. Eating in a restaurant. If you feel threatened by these acts of mine then stay home, shelter in place.
When states and localities are forced to cut police, fire, rescue, and EMT services... that will be part of bending the curve. Right?
And then what? Will those unpaid first responders take you to the hospitals that are closed and in BK?
“Anybody else remember when I warned government jobs would be cut? And universities closed? And pensions destroyed?”
Not according to Puppet Evers. “That’s insulting”
Blogger Inga said..."Hey religious instructor Mark…"
See, "Mark". This is what will happen if you don't take control of your own name.
Despite what idiots say, when nothing is made so that no money changes hands, there is simply no way that wealth will not be destroyed.
Pouring money from whatever magic spigot will not work long.
@When states and localities are forced to cut police, fire, rescue, and EMT services... that will be part of bending the curve. Right? And then what? Will those unpaid first responders take you to the hospitals that are closed and in BK?
Chamber of Commerce convinces Trump to rescind immigration order, pay Mexicans in tamales.
"'Commentators named “Mike” are smarter than commentators named “Mark.”"
Well, it's undeniable that we're smart enough to establish unique identifiers.
It was interesting to hear Trump say today that we need the illegal immigrants to pick the crops and work in certain industries (like meat packing for instance). It was actually refreshing to hear him admit what most people have known for a long time. Maybe if Americans were paid better and had some unionization they would actually do these sorts of jobs?
"I often get [Big] and Original mixed up. Hope you're both okay with that."
But we don't look anything alike!
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-relief-bill-layoffs-coming-to-state-local-governments.html
Layoffs in Los Angeles.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1262748/tenn-hospital-bankruptcy-may-be-the-first-of-many
Hospitals in BK.
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I await your next smart ass answer about people losing jobs and hospitals folding.
Royal ass Inga,
You are fighting the last war. Unions are going to be insolvent. Their promised pensions will be reduced in BK. Unions are in no better shape to survive the economic apocalypse you are cheering than any other organization.
Seriously, this is not a political matter. The argument you think you are having is moot.
Correction, the foreign workers aren’t illegal. They’re on temporary work visas.
https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2020/04/university-of-michigan-faces-up-to-1-billion-loss-from-covid-19-announces-5-10-executive-pay-cuts-sa.html
Michigan is going to lose a billion dollars.
That's the flagship state university.
Staff and faculty are going to take pay cuts or lose their jobs.
What parents will be paying tuition after this is all over?
After all that wealth is destroyed, the answer is fewer.
A lot fewer.
Even California understands that hospitals were heading toward Bk.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/22/gov-newsom-says-state-will-allow-hospitals-to-resume-surgeries-unrelated-to-pandemic/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_content=tw-mercnews
The government mandated shutdown will kill the industry that the government mandated shutdown was allegedly trying to save.
Alanis Morrisette on Line 1.
Inga said... It was interesting to hear Trump say today that we need the illegal immigrants
--
Illegals or H2A visa workers?
No more hospitals anymore? Forever?
Perhaps
The Good Mark
The Other Good Mark
The Other Mark (aka Religious Instructor Mark)
Iron I C
Iron I C
Ironic.
Well,... yeah.
Crack is better than the previous decade. In that old, old spot hot, he kicked the &&^&&^^ ass again as he has been forced to do before.
A trillion here, a trillion there. Pretty soon we’ll be talking real money.
You devolved from Smug to ass hole rather quickly.
Do you follow the number of BKs for medical centers?
Even California got smart enough to quit killing them.
Will other states quit killing theirs?
Glenn Reynolds USA Today
OK, so the country has been shut down for about a month, and we’re seeing cracks start to form. While some epidemiologists are talking about keeping things closed down for months longer, we’re also seeing growing public protests around the nation, as people call for restarting things.
Others shame them as “virus deniers” and accuse the protesters of wanting people to die. But it’s hard not to notice a class divide here. As with so many of America’s conflicts, the divide is between the people in the political/managerial class on the one hand and the people in the working class on the other. And as usual, the smugness and authoritarianism are pretty much all on one side.
emphasis mine: because I wouldn't have believed someone would use a term like that if I hadn't seen it here.
There really are two Americas here: Those still getting a paycheck from government, corporations or universities, and those who are unemployed, or seeing their small businesses suffer due to shutdowns. And the America still getting paid is, so far, not showing a whole lot of sympathy for the America that isn’t.
That’s a formula for disaster, and it has been made worse by the heavy-handed approach taken by some government officials enforcing quarantines. We’ve seen news story after news story of officials going after people whose actions pose no danger of contagion — lone joggers on a beach, lone paddleboarders off the California coast, a father throwing a ball to his daughter in a public park — and every time that happens the shutdown loses moral authority.
The whole thing is well worth the read. Maybe people in Texas are just nicer than most, because again I would have had a hard time believing some of what Mr Reynolds describes, if I hadn't seen in on display here on a daily basis. What is the most galling is that the least amount of compassion has come from so many who have patted themselves on the back about how compassionate their policy choices are.
Original Mark. Keep it simple.
J. Farmer said...
@Achilles:
The best way to destroy it is to print money.
This is a pretty widespread myth up to a point. The US has the capacity to sustain much more debt than we have been historically. Hyperinflation is largely a phenomenon of a collapse in productive capacity, particularly bad for countries whose debts are in a currency other than their own. Zimbabwe's hyperinflation was mostly a result of Mugabe's corruption and replacing productive white farmers with unproductive black ones.
Wealth is Productivity is Wealth. Period.
I agree printing money will not destroy SS on it's own. Only shutting down the economy will destroy wealth. And all this "stimulus" will do nothing to replace that wealth.
But printing money will make $1000-$1500 a month pretty worthless. No matter what happens to overall wealth 1500$ a month in SS money will not fulfill all those false promises.
Head Over Feet was the best song on that album. Ironic was the best music video, though. Must’ve been a pain in the ass to film and to edit.
“ A trillion here, a trillion there. Pretty soon we’ll be talking real money.”
Don’t make me reach for my dirk, son.
Blogger Inga said..."Correction, the foreign workers aren’t illegal. They’re on temporary work visas."
Not to worry. The left refuses to recognize the difference anyway.
You devolved from Smug to ass hole rather quickly.
Let's work out a signal for the future so you can let me know when I have to be serious and when I can be a wise ass.
I await your next smart ass answer about people losing jobs and hospitals folding.
4/22/20, 8:41 PM
Inga is retired. What does she care about hospitals closing?
Exiled,
Yeah, what difference would it make to an older person if there are hospitals around, right?
Destroy all the things to get Trump and prove those damnable Deplorables a lesson!!
Who is with me?
No permit is required for an insurrection.
Clearest delineator is SALT.
Somebody, please, clarify definitively?
I often get you and Original mixed up. Hope you're both okay with that.
@Crimso, no.
Trump tweet about liberate reminds me of scene from Conan - Of course - the Barbarian
striking thechain
democracy is smothered under a sheet of private sequestration.
Guildy,
Usually it's the shaker with the most holes.
How about;
The Other Mark
On The Mark
X Mark
Mark It
Mark It Price (My daughters favorite menu item)
Mark The 1st.
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