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April 21, 2020

At the Sunrise Café...

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... you can talk 'til dawn.

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Mark said...: Did you ever notice that Shoeshine Boy is never around when Underdog is called to action?; 4/22/20, 12:10 AM
narciso said...: Those were classics, of course you could never do that type of cartoon today.; 4/22/20, 12:11 AM
stephen cooper said...: Snoopy gets shot down by the Red Baron and wanders through the nighttime French Countryside

Magilla decides, yet again, to forgive poor Mr Peebles because Magilla knows that Mr Peebles really does not have much of a heart, and it is not his fault (that is a big element of Christian forgiveness)

Betty asks Sabrina to man the kissing booth while the rest of the gang performs their latest hit, Sugar Sugar, and Archie wanders over and turns into a dancing dog, Reggie into a dancing frog, and the actual dog turns into WC Fields on a unicycle, juggling

again and again on Kukla Fran and Ollie reasons were given again - dialog between one of the puppets and the puppeteer, a young woman from a good college -----and from the little puppet (Kukla? Fran? Ollie? - Fran, I think) , again and again : please don't go: from the puppeteer ---- why , why, why shouldn't I go, I will be back soon .... from the puppet: because of this ,,,,, because of that ,,,, and finally "because "I will Miss YOU" (that was a puppet show though not a cartoon, true story, I saw it once in the 60s and when I watched it with a friend circa 2015 I recited every line right before the puppet did - well not out loud, that would have been rude, sotto voce); 4/22/20, 12:15 AM
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...: Love South Park for the social and political commentary; hate it for the poop and semen "jokes." It's just too gross.; 4/22/20, 12:16 AM
Mark said...: I'm otherwise a big fan, but Rocket J. Squirrel's guest voice dubbing in the last Twilight Zone was atrocious.; 4/22/20, 12:16 AM
stephen cooper said...: to me magilla and his versical one-sided conversations were almost what Desolation Row was to Camille Paglia; 4/22/20, 12:22 AM
Andy said...: hong kong phooey; 4/22/20, 12:22 AM
stephen cooper said...: first time i ever saw real friendship displayed on TV was
Kukla Fran and Olly

who would not want friends like that; 4/22/20, 12:24 AM
Mark said...: Love South Park for the social and political commentary; hate it for the poop and semen "jokes." It's just too gross.

https://youtu.be/OYU-G_TGSD8

https://youtu.be/pfjrlcW7FJ4?t=37; 4/22/20, 12:24 AM
Mark said...: Don't get me started on Scott Tenorman.; 4/22/20, 12:28 AM
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...: Sorry to interrupt the cartoons discussion, but my friend just shared this on Facebook. Would that we all could be this sensible. Who could disagree with this?

"I am seeing so much anxiety about resuming business, and so much anger about continued regulations. People are feeling the need to catapult to one side or the other, then fight the opposition.

Here’s my perspective, from a mainstream medical model. I think a lot of folks have fallen into the idea that social distancing was meant to stop the viral spread. It wasn’t-it was meant to SLOW it while we put medical infrastructure in place. It has worked. We have, in most parts of Georgia, not been overwhelmed like we likely would have been without protective measures. In the meantime, our testing procedures have gotten better. We’ve increased our ventilator count. We’ve gotten a little better handle on PPE supply chains, and many have helped by making masks and gowns. Phoebe in Albany has a second COVID-19 ICU opened, and Atlanta has a field hospital ready to go. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better than it was seven weeks ago.

A vaccine is a long way off. At some point, people have to be systematically exposed to begin the building of (hopeful) herd immunity. We will likely begin to experience a real increase in cases after reopening. Ideally, that exposure is controlled and calculated, in phases, to allow our medical community to respond adequately, and reduce the number of severe or fatal cases. That’s where we are.

Whether you feel like Georgia is opening too soon, or not soon enough, we were never going to social distance this thing into nonexistence. You now need to proceed as your health, wallet, and conscience allow.

If you are medically vulnerable, you do not need to be a part of what is about to happen. Stay home if you can. If you’re not, or if your financial vulnerability trumps your health concerns, you need to proceed in ways that continue to protect yourself, and the elderly and medically vulnerable around you.

All of us need to calm down. Quit telling people who are financially struggling that they don’t care about human lives. Quit telling people who are truly at risk of dying from this virus that they are cowering in fear. Remember that until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes, you should probably be careful in your judgements and subsequent harsh words.

We don’t HAVE to choose an either/or proposition and fight. We could choose other ways to be. Examples include but are not limited to:

“I think this may be too soon, so I will continue to shelter myself, and pray/make masks/ check on those who can’t.”

“I really need to go back to work, so I will do so, but I will be careful and try to protect myself, my family, and those around me with healthy strategies.”

See how those positions allow each of us to do what we need to, and also respect those who are choosing differently?

One thing that allows us to do this is humility. I can acknowledge that I am not an epidemiologist/economist/whatever, that I am making decisions based on my understanding of complex subjects and my own personal health and financial situation, that I am not all knowing, always right, and an expert in all fields, and that each person around me is doing their best too. We can make different choices and still be a supportive community. We can learn and evolve in our understanding of these issues."; 4/22/20, 12:30 AM
Mark said...: Like I was saying, always watch out for those oranges.

https://youtu.be/i1nPGM-2Q0w

Stelio, Stelio Kontos; 4/22/20, 12:35 AM
Mark said...: There's a trigger.

Thankfully, though, we have bought ourselves a few minutes of peace with all this other frivolity.

And, there is little to argue with.; 4/22/20, 12:39 AM
Mark said...: Beware the purveyors of despair.

The dangers of bio-nature are less terrifying than the realization that there are so many who would indeed embrace societal suicide.; 4/22/20, 12:48 AM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: Rocky's voice was June Foray who passed in 2017. I don't know who's doing Rocky now. (Bullwinkle's original voice, Bill Scott is also gone).

Scott Tenorman Must Die is the most perfect conjuration of pure evil ever realized in a cartoon. Is it *good*? I dunno. Is a punch to the solar plexus good? Either certainly gets your attention.; 4/22/20, 12:51 AM
stephen cooper said...: Mark at 12:48

ditto; 4/22/20, 12:53 AM
Mark said...: Now, that's love!

https://youtu.be/rMR-GAnZkKI?t=9

"Would we have donkeys?"; 4/22/20, 12:59 AM
effinayright said...: Unknown said...
Rocky's voice was June Foray who passed in 2017. I don't know who's doing Rocky now. (Bullwinkle's original voice, Bill Scott is also gone).
************

Word has it that Scott's last words were: "I'm SO confuuuuused."; 4/22/20, 1:01 AM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: I saw one of the "new" (It's been at least 10 years ago now) Bullwinkle actors at a comedy club once. He had a little intro that was very respectful of Scott and how privileged he felt to be trusted to touch up some of the voice dropouts on the old tapes while they were getting the shows ready for DVD. Then he segued into a hilarious routine about using the Bullwinkle voice while in the throes of passion: "Say my name!". Everybody was rolling.; 4/22/20, 1:07 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Subways; 4/22/20, 1:29 AM
Lewis Wetzel said...: The past few weeks I've been watching Woody Allen films. I used to think that some of them were artsy. Now I realize that they are really middle-brow. There is nothing in them that is out of the reach of a reasonably intelligent person with a college education. Kind of like the songs of Bob Dylan.; 4/22/20, 1:47 AM
J. Farmer said...: The show with probably the best and most biting political commentary, exceeding any live-action show, is definitely South Park.

Was in high school when South Park aired, and it was a huge hit I remember everyone talking about. It was the same year the TV Parental Guidance ratings went into effect and demonstrate the law of unintended consequences. Armed with a "TV-MA" rating and a 10pm start time, they were shielded from any potential criticism for its content.

South Park is emblematic of the libertarian 90s. The Cold War had ended, and the War on Terror hadn't started. Bill Clinton was a New Democrat. The "era of big government" was "over." Hating both parties was hip. People were "fiscally conservative and socially liberal." Libertarian was going mainstream. The culture war was winding down, and the liberals were ready to declare victory, but a common enemy was emerging=-political correctness, hated by traditionalists for its attack on language and education and by bohemians for its attack on expression. Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect debuted on Comedy Central in 1992 but moved to ABC in early 1997, the same year South Park debuted.

I went to a selective STEM high school, though that term wasn't used then. It was probably 85% male and mostly white and Asian. A lot of the females were budding lesbians into gaming, and we had one male cross dresser that somehow earned the nickname Ms. Pac Mac. The students were mostly smart smart-asses, an ideal South Park audience. Iconoclasm ruled the day. Religious piety and liberal sentimentality were equally trashed. There was an anarchist club, a gay-straight alliance club, and a Japanese Animation club, which was quickly nicknamed Japornimation. I was probably somewhere in that libertarian/anarchist spectrum.

I haven't watched South Park regularly for about ten years now. My politics started shifting my last year of high school and accelerated during my freshman year of college. I started my first job at a high-risk juvenile correctional facility, met my future business partner, and underwent a major transformation in my thinking. Although I was on the other side of the razor-wire, I understand what Robert Downey, Jr. meant when he said, "you can’t go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal." Jared Taylor's Paved with Good Intentions was a persuasive book on race relations.; 4/22/20, 1:54 AM
tim maguire said...: J. Farmer said...I understand what Robert Downey, Jr. meant when he said, "you can’t go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal."

I don’t understand what he meant. The flip side of “a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged” is “a liberal is a conservative who’s been arrested.” How did Downey’s experience lead him to reject liberalism (to whatever extent he has)?; 4/22/20, 5:48 AM
Rusty said...: You have to go back tomearly TV and the black and white Crusader Rabbit, Crazy Cat, Mighty Mouse, etc.
Through my daughter I got to meet some animators from Disney and WB. The people who drew the last hand animated features. Go to youtube and enter "Magic Goldberg" my daughter drew part of it and directed it.
Max Goldberg was a head animator for Disney.; 4/22/20, 5:55 AM
iowan2 said...: Say it ain't so! Worst plague ever! Can you imagine the horror of a silent invader so sneaky, so insidious, that most people are entirely unaware of it? I mean, at least with the flu, you kinda know.
F.Farmer said
I drove my car today and was't injured. Seat belts are useless!

Close but no cigar...No, not that close.

SEAT BELTS!! You're a denier! Where is your 4 point harness, Helmet, crash tested at 200MPH, full fire proof coveralls. Why are you taking such a horrendous risk without taking precautions? We know with historic evidence, these steps save lives. Stop with your head in sand pollyansish half measures. All Lives Matter!; 4/22/20, 7:13 AM
J. Farmer said...: @iowan2:

SEAT BELTS!! You're a denier! Where is your 4 point harness, Helmet, crash tested at 200MPH, full fire proof coveralls. Why are you taking such a horrendous risk without taking precautions? We know with historic evidence, these steps save lives. Stop with your head in sand pollyansish half measures. All Lives Matter!

That be be the equivalent of what China did in Wuhan. Never recommended here or implemented. Why do you think 16-19 year-olds have the highest rate motor vehicle crashes? As I've repeatedly tried to point out to Sebastian, social distancing wasn't justified because we knew what would happen. It was justified because we had very little idea.; 4/22/20, 7:34 AM
iowan2 said...: I loved ARM's exploding cigar in the face post, last night, about the latest Senate Intel report. A report that tries to claim the IC conclusions were well founded concerning Russia interference AND the Russians support of candidate Trump
A report that flies in the face of IG Horowitz' investigation that showed all the IC conclusions rested on the fake dossier. Comments upstream point out the idiocy of the Latest Senate report.

The Federalist has a good take down also, with all the links to supporting evidence

So the question is not why did ARM post his ill advised take on the report, knowing it has been proven wrong weeks before it was published?
But, Why would arm provide so much ammunition to those whose agenda he opposes.
ARM is not stupid, the IG's report is out there. All Public. ARM has had to have read and digested the facts as laid out by testimony under oath. Why is ARM intent on spreading lies?; 4/22/20, 7:36 AM
iowan2 said...: Link didn't take to the Federalist
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/21/senate-intel-committee-still-running-interference-for-russia-collusion-nonsense/#.Xp9E_AcEM_o.twitter; 4/22/20, 7:37 AM
iowan2 said...: Farmer

My point is about proportional response. Yes seat belts save lives. But NASCAR safety measures would save more. "even if it saves one life"

We have over reacted. I'm Ok with unknown conditions. But we refuse to use the stuff we learned in the last 6 weeks. Protect the high risk people, and let everyone else back to work, resturants, stadiums, beaches.; 4/22/20, 7:43 AM
J. Farmer said...: @tim maguire:

How did Downey’s experience lead him to reject liberalism (to whatever extent he has)?

Downey was born in Manhattan and raised in Greenwich Village in the 60s and 70s. His father was an actor, and Downey started acting as a kid. "Mugged by reality" is basically a way of describing disillusionment, realizing that things are not as good as you had hoped.

Speaking from my experience, I was raised in a fairly comfortable upper-middle class with love, stability, and an emphasis on good behavior and doing well in school. Working for 2 1/2 years in a correctional setting for juveniles with psychiatric or substance abuse problems is an environment unlike any other you will experience in life. Government, law, policing, healthcare, education, and social services interact with race, class, and family. I very quickly became disillusioned with the capacity for outside interventions to correct maladaptive behaviors, which are often reinforced by dysfunctional families and similarly maladjusted peer group. Fathers were minimally involved or even known. Schooling for this population mostly consisted of efforts to maintain discipline, and parents basically viewed school as a kind of daycare. Very few parents were involved. When people complain about liberals thinking government can replace parents, I know what they mean and understand it's impossible.; 4/22/20, 8:03 AM
Jalanl said...: I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

"Sorry to interrupt the cartoons discussion, but my friend just shared this on Facebook. Would that we all could be this sensible. Who could disagree with this?"

While I basically agree with the sentiment there is a basic problem. Nobody is telling the vulnerable, or anyone else, that they have to run naked through the virus tank. But, the vulnerable, at least mentally vulnerable, are telling everyone else they have to sit in their basements for the next 2 years. And they are calling the cops if you dare to drive through a church parking lot or surf alone.

So, if you want to sit in your virus proof shelter the rest of your life - go for it. But don't tell me I can't live my life!; 4/22/20, 8:13 AM
Paco Wové said...: Thanks, Pants. Good stuff.; 4/22/20, 8:17 AM
Rusty said...: Why do you think 16-19 year-olds have the highest rate motor vehicle crashes?
I'm fucking lucky to be alive. Café racing before it was a thing.; 4/22/20, 8:41 AM
Original Mike said...: "I loved ARM's exploding cigar in the face post, last night, about the latest Senate Intel report."

What prompted ARM to step on that rake? When was the senate report released?; 4/22/20, 11:02 AM
Narr said...: We watched the Simpsons and King of the Hill when my son was young; he and I (i.e. not my wife) liked Ren and Stimpy and I'm a big fan of Futurama. I didn't really appreciate South Park until the last ten years or so--I'm sure my son was hip to it.

Narr
And much else invisible to me; 4/22/20, 12:14 PM