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221 comments:
1 – 200 of 221 Newer› Newest»Now Virginia is on lock-down.
I think Nancy Pelosi wants to get out of politics.
Mark said...
Now Virginia is on lock-down.
They didn't even have to confiscate all the guns first.
This will be a temporary victory for the statists though.
In our neck of the woods, it is the second day following last snow.
Virginia lock down order:
No one is allowed to leave the house until June 10.
Large parts of Virginia are so rural, this is ridiculous. It’s like Cuomo saying that there is only one New York State. It’s ridiculous too. Sure, lock down the heavily urbanized parts. Let the people who have been maintaining “social distance” their whole lives turn it up just a little bit more. This is ridiculous.
The dreariness of the past few days has not improved my mood.
On Sunday, March 29, the FDA approved hydroxychloroquine for emergency use for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
I would marry this woman, sight unseen.
https://twitter.com/yvonne_tg/status/1231965921377320961
Washington Post headline gives no mention of, much less credit to, President Trump -
FDA authorizes use of unproven anti-malarial drugs to treat virus
The Food and Drug Administration says it is worth the risk of trying unproven treatments to slow the progression of the disease in seriously ill coronavirus patients.
"slow the progression of the disease in seriously ill coronavirus patients"
I was under the impression it showed the most beneficial effect if given before patients got seriously ill.
Mark
That “unproven” is a reference to Trump.
"I was under the impression it showed the most beneficial effect if given before patients got seriously ill."
You are correct. But you are also under the impression they want it to work.
I am going stir crazy. Anybody coming into Vermont is required to isolate for 14 days, I am on day 8... arghhh!
This morning I was reading about the Battle of Pinkies Field, which ARM probably knows all about, not to mention, reading the Wikipedia page of Gustavus Aldolphus, who sounds a lot like Hitler Adolphus to me, but he is a national hero in Sweden, I guess, and Hitler would have been, had Germany won.
As an introvert nerd, I am personally having no problems with our 14-day isolation after returning from NZ. I'm even tolerating my wife being at home better than I anticipated (yay!)
Paco
There are a lot of indications that chloroquine is helpful. It works in a Petri dish, there is a solid theory for its effect, it has anecdotal evidence, and it was proven in studies to work against SARS. We still lack controlled studies. They are ongoing. We will know more soon. The FDA action might hint the studies are going well. I am cautiously hopeful.
Say it ain’t so!
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/woman-who-ingested-fish-tank-cleaner-was-prolific-donor-to-democratic-causes/
Labor Dept. says possible 35-40 million unemployed by end of April.
I really like the photo's composition. Are you framing in the camera or cropping in post-production?
Oregon is in the spring monsoon season. Daybreak after the rain is another day of rain.
I want to know what the “look I’m morally superior because I don’t mind quarantining” people are doing about children who are locked in with stressed and abusive parents, with no access to the outside world including school which is how such children are often identified and protected.
There are also published results that it works in patients on Covid. Pretty good results.
So, which governor announces the first 3 month lockdown?
Here in Nevada we are not yet under house arrest. It's a beautiful day in Las Vegas, and lots of people are out walkies to soak up some sunshine and fresh air. Of course, if any of us catch Covid-19 we're SOL because our governor, Milwaukee's own Steve Sisolak, has banned the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin treatment except when it's too late.
"I want to know what the “look I’m morally superior because I don’t mind quarantining” people are doing about children who are locked in with stressed and abusive parents, with no access to the outside world including school which is how such children are often identified and protected."
Are you referring to me, Pants? I'm not claiming to be morally superior to anyone. I was just talking to Tim.
As to what I'm "doing about children who are locked in with stressed and abusive parents,", I'm FaceTiming everyday with my granddaughter on her math. It has vastly improved her grades (this started before the epidemic). Don't know what else I can do.
I see California still has 2/3s of its tests "pending".
At this point, one has to consider the possibility that Newsome really has discovered a way to tamp down the panic and keep people from swamping the hospitals, clinics, and ERs- just dribble out all the test results so it looks like nothing is happening.
"Introvert nerd" (while true) was meant to be self deprecating.
Pants, All I can do is stay out of the hospital system right now. What else can I do to help in this crisis?
I was practicing social distancing long before it was fashionable. It was a personal decision. Made by people who know me.
Not taking about you guys. Talking about the “preventing one American death from cv is worth any price and this is obvs the only morally correct position” contingent.
I am really worried about kids like I described. All I can do is check on people and reach out as much as I can to other parents.. But that only does so much.
Actually, I am now FaceTiming my granddaughter. We used to do it in person. Not nearly as satisfying nor effective, but you do what you can.
OM, she’s lucky to have you. :)
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-699-coronavirus-patients-100-success-using-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-zinc-z-pak-update/
"All I can do is check on people and reach out as much as I can to other parents.. But that only does so much."
You're around 40 years-old, right? Female. No underlying health issues? Why not find someone who has tested positive for CORVID-19, visit them, breathe their air, become infected yourself? Self-quarantine until you are no longer infectious. Now you'll have supposed immunity and with immunity, you'll be able to intervene in child abuse cases and save the children. That will give you moral superiority over those of us who are doing nothing more than trying to avoid infection in order to not carry and spread the disease to others.
"OM, she’s lucky to have you. :)"
I'm the lucky one.
Is colluding with the Red Chinese Army in waging Biological war against theUSA and her allies a crime? If so, we’re gonna need thousands of prison beds just for the DC area arrests or maybe convert ships with thousands of beds into prison ships docked at Yorktown.
Ken B: "We still lack controlled studies. They are ongoing. We will know more soon."
No, you won't. At least not from the FDA.
The FDA will take 12 to 18 months to "finalize" their formal assessment of what, by then, will have been worldwide protocols that were in use for about 24 months.
One thing that had better emerge from this is the complete transformation of the FDA/CDC from what it is today: an insular, measure progress in years, design a 1-chance to get it right, govt driven-only, high risk set of protocols for very limited testing and slow motion vaccine development into an organization that is brought into the 21st century making full use of public/private partnerships for platform based rapid and wide testing and quick turnaround on private R&D solutions that address issues in real-time.
I don't think I need to include here that we need to completely blow up the ChiCom control over our health-related supply chains, no matter how much removing that power from the ChiCom's make ARM and the dems/media cry.
"One thing that had better emerge from this is the complete transformation of the FDA/CDC from what it is today:"
We need that desperately, but I am not optimistic.
The CDC, FDA, and WHO have all proven to be worse than useless institutions.
They are all part of the problem.
What this epidemic has done is point out the lethality of the FDA's business as usual. Usually, the victims are invisible. I hope Trump can use this opportunity.
Facemasks are on sale at Newegg - 50 for $35
Original Mike
There are, but they aren’t with control groups so I counted them as anecdotal.
Talk about unnecessary and unhelpful.
"The CDC, FDA, and WHO have all proven to be worse than useless institutions. “
We agree! But I am sure that Hillary would have saved the day by telling them to go fuck themselves a lot quicker than what Trump did, it’s in her nature to tell bureaucrats that they have it all wrong.
I am sure Hillary, who was the other choice, would have been further ahead on decoupling from China than Trump is by now.
I am sure Hillary would have been way ahead on travel bans than Trump.
And on and on and on.
How could the oldelst political party in the oldest Democracy have nothing better than Hillary?
They're more than anecdotal. Anecdotal - based on personal accounts rather than facts or research. There are now several published papers.
Ha! Kathy Griffen claimed to have the ChiCom flu to “own” Trump, but it turns out that she was just suffering from "Montezuma’s Revenge” after a trip to Mexico. She’s pissed that the hospital didn’t waste a test on her.
"That will give you moral superiority over those of us who are doing nothing more than trying to avoid infection in order to not carry and spread the disease to others."
Serious question, and something I've been wondering about: how long do people really think any of us will remain COVID-19 virgins?
Despite every thing I do, assuming I do them, how many coronavirus particles am I carrying right now, inside myself and out? How would I know?
How many am I transferring to others, and not? How would I know?
If I become sick and test positive for COVID-19, I may develop a degree of immunity to it.
After that, though, despite everything I do, assuming I do them, how many coronavirus particles am I carrying right now, inside and out? How would I know?
After that, though, how many am I transferring to others, and not? How would I know?
How is it possible to doubly-blind empirically test the effects of preventive measures? Who counts those little viral body corpses, regardless of whether they die of antisepsis or simply old age?
We certainly can propose behavioral schemata which we can then measure our fidelity to, actual or merely vocal, but how much, if any, does that overlap and impact the real world in which we are irremovably immersed as moving Heisenberg clouds of biota easily several times our perceived skin size?
If each of us were hermetically sealed in a bubble empirically measured to be sterile we might be able to answer some of these questions, but we're not. Until then, we continue to discuss the politics, sociology and morality of our self-prescribed behavior as if we were really discussing biological science instead.
TL;DR: If all but the most remote of us will eventually come in intimate contact with coronavirus as we do with the flu, what are we gaining and losing with our new behavioral world order while we are waiting for that to occur?
I just talked to an anesthesiologist I know in Boston, he said if you plan to get Wuhan Flu, you better go on a diet first if you need one, as BMI is a high negative risk factor.
Facemasks are on sale at Newegg - 50 for $35
50 were selling for $10-11 before the late unpleasantness.
Ken B: "Original Mike
There are, but they aren’t with control groups so I counted them as anecdotal."
French General Gamelin in May of 1940 after receiving 478 unique-unit messages from advanced troops that the Germans were invading: sounds anecdotal
I'm just making a point here that in general when there are isolated reports of events/outcomes, that is certainly anecdotal. No argument.
But that's not really what this situation seems to be.
So, here's the takeaway question asked not in snark: How many "anecdotal" reports of positive medicinal treatment outcomes, from reputable sources, across an extraordinarily broad swath of patient and application scenarios has to occur before we say that this tsunami of reports no longer represents "anecdotal" "evidence", but actual evidence that could be accepted as standard protocol?
tim in vermont: "I just talked to an anesthesiologist I know in Boston, he said if you plan to get Wuhan Flu, you better go on a diet first if you need one, as BMI is a high negative risk factor."
George Conway, whoever he is, better go on lockdown.
"Mike said...
There are also published results that it works in patients on Covid"
A distinction without a difference, no?
The wife of the guy who ate fish tank cleaner "because he saw Trump suggest it?" is a big Democrat donor.
Hmmmm.
"If all but the most remote of us will eventually come in intimate contact with coronavirus as we do with the flu, what are we gaining and losing with our new behavioral world order while we are waiting for that to occur?"
I don't know the answer, but I have this observation. I have leukemia, and as a result am immune compromised. Yet I don't remember the last time I had the flu (it certainly has been longer than the 10 years since my diagnosis). My guess as to why that is is two fold. I am careful and not really a social animal (though I'm not a hermit). Secondly, and more to the point, my guess is that the flu bugs aren't really as prevalent as is generally assumed. So it's a matter of reducing the amount of virus in the environment.
Meade's suggestion for Pants is not so far fetched. The first kind of inoculation was variolation. And it has merits.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2020/03/variolation-may-cut-covid19-deaths-3-30x.html
And by environment I mean the number of people who have it.
How many "anecdotal" reports of positive medicinal treatment outcomes, from reputable sources, across an extraordinarily broad swath of patient and application scenarios has to occur before we say that this tsunami of reports no longer represents "anecdotal" "evidence", but actual evidence that could be accepted as standard protocol?
How many patients must die to satisfy the need for a control group?
Interesting essay, Ken. Variolation. New word to me.
Close enough, FullMoon?
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak
I noticed that someone in the Guardian this morning pointed out how awful the plague quarantine is for abused spouses etc, and will admit I hadn't thought of that consequence. I cannot get my head around remaining in a physically abusive relationship in the first place and so it's very easy for me to tsk, tsk and think, given the choice between being beaten and breaking the quarantine I know which I'd opt for but I understand that that there are people who don't enjoy that liberty.
Meade said... [hush][hide comment]
"All I can do is check on people and reach out as much as I can to other parents.. But that only does so much."
You're around 40 years-old, right? Female. No underlying health issues? Why not find someone who has tested positive for CORVID-19, visit them, breathe their air, become infected yourself? Self-quarantine until you are no longer infectious. Now you'll have supposed immunity and with immunity, you'll be able to intervene in child abuse cases and save the children. That will give you moral superiority over those of us who are doing nothing more than trying to avoid infection in order to not carry and spread the disease to others.
Uh, OK.
Any studies yet on correlation quarantine/irritability?
Pants: "Talking about the “preventing one American death from cv is worth any price and this is obvs the only morally correct position” contingent"
Meade: "Why not find someone who has tested positive for CORVID-19, visit them, breathe their air, become infected yourself?"
Pants, the labor department's estimate of 35-40 million unemployed by end of April is a small price to pay to save the life of one coronavirus patient, particularly if that patient were to be named Meade. Not so much if the patient's name is Pants. You see, every other avenue has been explored and found unworkable, and if you can't accept that then you are just a bad person. As Meade says, he is trying to do nothing more than avoid infection so that he doesn't transmit the disease, and he could never do that by just staying in his own fucking house. Meade has determined there is no other way to do this other than dictating everyone else stay in their fucking houses too, and if it requires destroying the economy and people's hope for the future, well so what? Meade's retired. No Problem. Be sure that he would be completely on board if there was the slightest chance of some other workable option that is currently unknown to Meade, which is difficult for me to imagine. Just isolating the old people couldn't work because Meade says so. Not locking down counties like mine which have four (FOUR!!) cases won't work because that doesn't fit Meade's paradigm. Anyway, every time you start to have these impure thoughts just remember Meade's solution is backed up by Ken B. If you can't accept that level of expertise, then you are just trying to be morally superior with your opinions and lord them over others.
https://summit.news/2020/03/30/in-late-february-nancy-pelosi-encouraged-large-groups-to-congregate-in-chinatown/
Nancy was right on it from the start!
"BMI is a high negative risk factor"
Also seen in Europe.
So Wuhan skews old, fat, male.
Wait till the SJWs jump on this.
"Any studies yet on correlation quarantine/irritability?"
He is cranky.
Variolation preceded vaccination and was practiced in England and America. It used the actual smallpox material from a mild case, often the last sample from a series of inoculations called "removes." Catherine the Great, as I recall, had an "innoculator" immunize her family after using her servants to do many "removes" to attenuate the virus. Those who had been inoculated were left in an "airing house" for a time until it was clear that they had not developed a severe cases.
Ben Franklin was a great advocate of inoculation after losing his only legitimate child to smallpox. After cowpox vaccination became popular, it faded away.
tim in vermont said...
Close enough, FullMoon?
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak
Yep. That is what I was initially expecting. The story adds to my confusion as to how it is spread. WHO says large droplets, sneezing or coughing. Others say breathing same air or from surfaces.
Obvious next question, , why are so few of these stories.
Because I personally knew two people who died a decade or more ago from flu,one woman late twenties/early thirties was a shock. Other one a mid eighties man. Sad about the man, he was waiting to upgrade internet and was told by the tech that tech was feeling ill. The man chose to take his chances and caught flu from tech. Prior to leaving for emergency after becoming ill, spent a couple of hours on computer printing instructions and guidence for his wife if he should die. Created DNR to take with him
He was a tough guy, WW2 purple heart marine but had been in constant pain from Postherpetic neuralgia.
Anyway, I am always careful around flu season. Have no problem with whatever precautions individuals take but tend to put this situation somewhere between ordinary terrible flu and Reefer Madness.
Sebastian said...So Wuhan skews old, fat, male.
Flatten those curves, guys!!
"There are, but they aren’t with control groups so I counted them as anecdotal."
Actually, the first French paper I read had a control group (i.e. not given the drug). It just wasn't blinded. But since the measurement was simply of the amount of virus in the patient, all blinding does is prevent outright fraud (and it doesn't even do that, does it?).
There is more green in your scene than I'm seeing around these parts. Our willow trees have their yellow buds - really makes them stand out from the rest of the trees. The low deciduous trees along the perimeter of my back yard have sprouted red buds in the last week or so.
Color is returning to the world. Metaphor but a bit early.
Fifth hand from JOM today:
"I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.
Clinical course is predictable.
2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.
Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.
Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.
81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.
Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT's of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.
China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails....
...Disposition
I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won't make it back.
PART 2:
We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.
Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the "lockdown", our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020...
...Treatment
Supportive
worldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.
Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn't appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil's potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.
We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV...
...We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.
One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.
I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.
The wife of the guy who ate fish tank cleaner "because he saw Trump suggest it?" is a big Democrat donor.
Hmmmm.
Murder most foul?
Ken B said...
Meade's suggestion for Pants is not so far fetched.
Uh, ok.
indeed
dr. evil, flacks for Cuomo, big surprise,
Janie Marshall was declared dead at 5:40 pm, after she was assaulted and fell on her head, for breaking the social distance of another patient.
The hospital called the police at 10:30 pm after the mid-shift was coming in to work.
"Yes, I wonder if you can send an officer. We had a homicide about five hours ago..." Fox News
There's a holdup in the Bronx!
Brooklyn's broken out in fights!
There's a traffic jam in Harlem,
That's backed up to Jackson Heights!
hrs ·
H/T Nancy Smith
IMO this is good advice, every bit of it.
From a respiratory therapist
CORONA Common Sense
Since they are calling on Respiratory therapist to help fight the Corona virus, and I am a retired one, too old to work in a hospital setting. I'm gonna share some common sense wisdom with those that have the virus and trying to stay home. If my advice is followed as given you will improve your chances of not ending up in the hospital on a ventilator. This applies to the otherwise generally healthy population, so use discretion. 1. Only high temperatures kill a virus, so let your fever run high. Tylenol, Advil. Motrin, Ibuprofen etc. will bring your fever down allowing the virus to live longer. They are saying that ibuprophen, advil etc will actually exacerbate the virus. Use common sense and don't let fever go over 103 or 104 if you got the guts. If it gets higher than that take your tylenol, not ibuprophen or advil to keep it regulated. It helps to keep house warm and cover up with blankets so body does not have to work so hard to generate the heat. It usually takes about 3 days of this to break the fever. 2. The body is going to dehydrate with the elevated temperature so you must rehydrate yourself regulaly, whether you like it or not. Gatorade with real sugar, or pedialyte with real sugar for kids, works well. Why the sugar? Sugar will give your body back the energy it is using up to create the fever. The electrolytes and fluid you are losing will also be replenished by the Gatorade. If you don't do this and end up in the hospital they will start an IV and give you D5W (sugar water) and Normal Saline to replenish electrolytes. Gatorade is much cheaper, pain free, and comes in an assortment of flavors 3. You must keep your lungs moist. Best done by taking long steamy showers on a regular basis, if your wheezing or congested use a real minty toothpaste and brush your teeth while taking the steamy shower and deep breath through your mouth. This will provide some bronchial dialation and help loosen the phlegm. Force your self to cough into a wet wash cloth pressed firmly over your mouth and nose, which will cause greater pressure in your lungs forcing them to expand more and break loose more of the congestion. 4. Eat healthy and regularly. Gotta keep your strength up. 5. Once the fever breaks, start moving around to get the body back in shape and blood circulating. 6. Deep breath on a regular basis, even when it hurts. If you don't it becomes easy to develop pneumonia. Pursed lip breathing really helps. That's breathing in deep and slow then exhaling through tight lips as if your blowing out a candle, blow until you have completely emptied your lungs and you will be able to breath in an even deeper breath. This helps keep lungs expanded as well as increase your oxygen level. 7. Remember that every medication you take is merely relieving the symptoms, not making you well. 8. If your still dying go to ER.
I've been doing these things for myself and my family
that post is from dr, satinover, a doctor in connecticut
Today has a theme.
The media cannot be trusted. While it's preaching to the choir, it always feels good to have your own conclusions validated. I rarely watch any prime time news. If I have spare time i the morning, I tune into Joe and his girl friend. I challenge anyone to listen to that drivel for more than 90 seconds. Joe can do a 3 minute monologue and not say a single salient thing. But that doesn't stop Mika from doing her puppet imitation, nodding like a moron.
"Husbands should know to not have an open glass near their wives.”
Sexism is why we allow phallic missiles but outlaw poison gas.
"The Arizona woman who said that she and her 68-year-old husband ingested a substance used to clean fish tanks after hearing President Donald Trump tout chloroquine as a cure for the coronavirus has given thousands of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates over the last two years.
The woman's most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the "pro-science resistance" and has vocally criticized the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic and held up her case to slam the White House."
So - this "pro science" Trump hating Democrat took fish tank cleaner and let her husband do the same because, according to her, Trump said so?
The cleaner isn't all that's fishy about this story.
Was she trying for a two-fer here? Get rid of husband AND became a Dem media darling, a bona fide victim of Orange Man?
"The wife of the guy who ate fish tank cleaner 'because he saw Trump suggest it?'"
I'm convinced she killed her husband by spiking his whiskey, and took a smaller dose in order to fool the detectives, and be just a little sick.
She probably got away with murder.
Husbands should know not to have an open glass near their wives.
See FullMoon 4:35 is why I use the word covidiot. He won’t even consider an approach because it put was first mentioned by a guy he doesn’t like.
Sebastion said... "BMI is a high negative risk factor." Also seen in Europe. So Wuhan skews old, fat, male. Wait till the SJWs jump on this."
And black?: EVERY, SINGLE one of the 10 COVID-19 death in Milwaukee County was black. Wisconsin's Dept. of Health Services currently shows 14 deaths statewide. So, in a state that is 6% black, blacks make up at least 71% of COVID-19 deaths.
SJW's may jump in an entirely new direction.
tim in vermont said..."Husbands should know to not have an open glass near their wives.”
I had to edit that, because I don't know what language that is, but it looks like English...
When synapses misfire...
Thanks for your post Ralph.
it's nonsensical, but it's still English,
something like fish cleaner doesn't kill people, people kill people'
Ralph L
Thanks for that posting. I wonder how many will notice the anecdotal evidence about hydroxychloroquine there. Which Scott Adams was touting as the better version.
We need real studies. Despite what Drago says we will see the results from such studies soon.
tim in vermont said...
"I am going stir crazy. Anybody coming into Vermont is required to isolate for 14 days, I am on day 8... arghhh!
This morning I was reading about the Battle of Pinkies Field, which ARM probably knows all about, not to mention, reading the Wikipedia page of Gustavus Aldolphus, who sounds a lot like Hitler Adolphus to me, but he is a national hero in Sweden, I guess, and Hitler would have been, had Germany won."
Eric Flint has a fun series, starting with the book "1632" in which a whole town is transported back in time from West Virginia in 2000 to the middle of Germany in 1632. It's a bit of Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court mixed with alternate history, but Gustav's survival is one of the big pivot points.
"I had to edit that, because I don't know what language that is, but it looks like English...”
You can split infinitives all you want around native speakers.
Thanks for that Dr Satinover post, Narciso. I reformatted it, printed it out and posted it on the refrigerator, just in case.
" I wonder how many will notice the anecdotal evidence about hydroxychloroquine there."
I saw it. First negative report I've seen.
"but Gustav's survival is one of the big pivot points.”
I am thinking he was assassinated myself, the story doesn’t seem to add up, and surely a lot of people wanted him dead. But I am no expert having only read the Wikipedia article, which desperately needs an edit for repetition and clarity, BTW.
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak
Thanks for the post narciso.
the pitch guy, had a routine, about a time traveler from the 90s, who has traveled into our era, and many misunderstandings happen, like a twelve monkeys sojourn into our time,
Calypso: "And black?: EVERY, SINGLE one of the 10 COVID-19 death in Milwaukee County was black. SJW's may jump in an entirely new direction."
Oh, man. What to do? "Minorities hardest hit"? This could be a framing challenge.
I think there was a slider's episode about some epidemic, but it was insect born, and not from china,
I posted my link not having checked other threads to see if it has already been linked. This doctor is in NY.
"Eric Flint has a fun series,..."
I've been casting around for something to read next. I like Stirling's Nantucket trilogy.
Re: Ben Franklin:
"Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress. In all your Amours, you should prefer old Women to young ones, as there is no hazard of children."
I never had a Mistress. Truth be told, my wife would probably have a paramour, because she owns the house. I could be easily out on my ass...
Coronavirus pandemic updates with pulmonologist & critical care specialist Roger Seheult, MD. Illustrations and concise lectures on the novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) that originated in Wuhan, China near the end of 2019
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ_IRFkDInv_zLVFTgXA8tW0Mf1iiuuM_
46 of these so far and counting. You have to scroll down to the end of the list to get the latest one (today's) which is:
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 46: Can Hot/Cold Therapy Boost Immunity? More on Hydroxychloroquine
Dr. Seheult discusses compelling research on thermal regulation (hot/cold hydrotherapy with a sauna or contrast shower for example) and the potential immune system benefits to ward off viral infections - as has been used in many regions including Finland. A follow up on possible treatment with hydroxychloroquine, and recent trends in US COVID-19 infections are also discussed. (With links to these papers.)
For example, the updated French results:
Clinical and microbiological effect of a combination of hydroxychloroquine and
azithromycin in 80 COVID-19 patients with at least a six-day follow up: an
observational study
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf
Roger Seheult, MD is really a star explainer.
You know what I've decided?
After much thought and consideration, I've decided that I don't much like AH reporters.
one wonders what was the solution, just warehouse all the infected,...profit
I am working on a historical epic, based on the family name coming over as with a foot soldier who accompanied cadet to a Scottish noble family to the New Word. I think I can work in a bit about a preacher who preached a sermon to Cromwell and cursed him as a usurper, which I guess made Cromwell laugh. Ironically, he gets banished to Holland under Charles II.
I don’t intend for it to be published, just to soak up some time, and maybe be there for anybody in my family that’s interested. I have already found some kind of big errors in previous treatments of my “illustrious” forbear. Who was not descended of Scots noble blood, but was a refugee of that very war referenced in your book. Turns out that the Bushes are descended of the Scottish lord who fell at the battle of Pinkies Field. My family have been dirt poor hill folk for nearly 400 years.
It’s what you might call an “old man project.” Maybe reading 1632 could qualify as research.
Joining Maryland and Virginia, the District of Columbia is now on a "stay at home" order.
Meanwhile, it looks like the unions are going to interrupt and disrupt the provision of critical and essential services unless businesses give into their extortion demands.
it was the battle of lutzen, and that's how it played out,
Strategically, the loss of Gustavus Adolphus meant the French became the dominant power on the "Protestant", or in their case, anti-Habsburg, side, eventually leading to the founding of the League of Heilbronn and the open entry of France into the war.
Spoiler for Death in Venice. The old man gets sick of all of the restrictions due to the cholera in Venice and eats a strawberry. Eventually he falls over off of a bench like that “land war in Asia” guy in The Princess Bride.
I've been casting around for something to read next. I like Stirling's Nantucket trilogy.
So do I. I wish he'd write more stories in this universe.
You do know however that there is a companion universe right? The story of what happened in the present when the phenomena occurred? It's called the Emberverse...there are 15 books and a collection of short stories. More fantasy than the Island books.
it's like Charles stross merchants series, whose recent iteration, explains the three alt verses that arose, at least one the enlightenment cycle was delayed,
"You do know however that there is a companion universe right?"
I read the first few. I got less interested the more fantasy there was.
its arguable how much change would have arisen
I've been casting around for something to read next.
If you are into Alternate History I have a suggestion for you. It's called the Lost Regiment series by a man named William Forstchen. (He's done a lot of alternate history books...some with Newt Gingrich)
Basically a civil war regiment (based on historical figures, the same ones used in Gettysburg) is lost at sea and somehow transported to an alien planet in which humans are slaves and a source of food to giant alien six limbed Mongols. They are 9 books, so it would kill some time.
Right now I am kind of in precursors to the French and Indian war, which had a lot of catholic vs protestant elements to it. It turns out that the French were telling the Indians that the Virgin Mary was born in Paris, and Jesus was Crucified in London.
I noticed a lot of tweets making fun of the MASH unit setting-up in Central Park.
Most accuse the Trump administration of providing a shitty tent, when in China they built a whole new hospital in a week.
Here's a clue: Hospitals are like sewers. If you don't want to get sick, and don't have the antibodies of the hospital staff, stay away from hospitals.
Also tents can be burned with the dead, after the emergency is over.
I read the first few. I got less interested the more fantasy there was.
Do you want to know how it all came out?
where did you read this, it sounds like the pigs fat cartridges that supposedly sparked the indian mutiny,
My grandfather actually belonged to an “anti - papal league” which I guess is like the KKK, I would be ashamed, but he died in 1955, but his grandfather was alive around the time of the French and Indian War in the Hudson Valley. So maybe it was just handed down. IDK.
I think I can work the Whiskey Rebellion in too, but now I’m just throwing spaghetti against the wall.
"where did you read this,”
Was this aimed at me?
This is the page I am on, but it was a little earlier on in the book The Livingstons of Livingston Manor. There is a lot of discussion of trouble with the French in the mid to late 17th century.
https://archive.org/details/livingstonsofliv00newy/page/238/mode/2up
just curious, what was the point of that war again, that burdened the colonies with the cost, which provoked the American revolution, that led to the French revolution and the continental war
Upon until recently, I've been visiting hospital patients once a month. I've noticed that for the isolation patients, they have paper gowns.
Back in the day when I worked in a hospital for several years, the isolation gowns were made of cloth. I can see that in times of plenty, paper might be the way to go. But in times such as these, cloth gowns that can be washed and sanitized, rather than one and done, might be the way to go.
But in times such as these, cloth gowns that can be washed and sanitized, rather than one and done, might be the way to go.
Labor.
even at six pages, usa today have four paragraphs of facts
It was the real first world war and after it was over, England ruled a third of the globe, or something like that. I am not sure what the point of it was though. George Washington sort of blundered into it at Fort Duquesne and I think that there was a lot of Roman Catholicism vs episcopacy and the like involved. All sides expected to gain, I assume.
"Do you want to know how it all came out?"
I doubt I'm ever going to finish them so yeah, I would. And thanks for the Lost Regiment suggestion.
From the perspective of the English colonists in general and GW in particular, the F&I War was about real estate. And they won, bigly.
"I've noticed that for the isolation patients, they have paper gowns."
Who wants to wear an used gown, that was used on an infected patient, who probably succumbed to their illness.
Paper is faster to burn than cotton. Picture soldiers in WW1 burning heaps of cotton gowns, and amputated parts.
Once again, the rate of new hospitalizations has dropped. Between 4pm yesterday and 4pm today there have been 2,573 new hospitalizations. That's down from 3,001 that were reported between 4pm Saturday and 4pm yesterday, 3,012 the previous period and 3,800ish and 3,995. It's a trend that I hope continues.
Interesting books to read are the Civil War regimental histories. Mostly they were done twenty years after and don't emphasize the horrors but I feel that understatement makes them stronger. My favorite is the 19th Massachusetts by Adams. The 19th is the regiment my Irish Catholic kinfolk fought in. They were in all the battles up to Gettysburg. Adams won the Medal of Honor for his conduct at Fredericksburg where he picked up the colors after seven previous holders had been shot.
Gowns for staff.
I don't care.
I don't.
I'm not going to socially distance from Martha.
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
I want to know what the “look I’m morally superior because I don’t mind quarantining” people are doing about children who are locked in with stressed and abusive parents, with no access to the outside world including school which is how such children are often identified and protected.
This is a good point, Pants. Every time I've lived in a state that has some limitation for abortion on the ballot, this concern is raised. Should a 12 year old have to get parental consent for an abortion? Vote no! That 12 year old could very well be pregnant by her father! Not everyone lives in a nice safe home. And all the people who feel good thinking such things, decide this is a constraint that cannot be made into law...for the abused children,
But now that we need to quarantine...suddenly everyone's home is nice and safe and their parents who just lost their income and have kids around all day are going to stop being abusive. ?????
After I finished my taxes today, and the Feds and State have accepted my filings, I have to note that having a large saving account has cost me dearly.
If you make more than $1500 in interest, you can't file a short form. Short forms are free on TurboTax.
This caused me to have to use their $50 version, so $100 total. What a racket!
Now I have to move the money to Bitcoin after first washing it through my agent in Malta...
I really do like the composition of this.
In the foreground is a developed park with a grass expanse and sidewalk. There is the natural middle, the stark trees and the lake and then the city in the distance. There is the large dark green patch in the foreground with a vibrant blue sky background.
Also in the middle are three lines. The gray of the sidewalk, the light blue of the lake and the orange-tinged cloud front.
Bravo!
As for all the virus stuff KCCO. Trump was great today. Moving forward.
the French tried a land grab, and the brits countered,
"Introvert nerd" (while true) was meant to be self deprecating.
That's cool, just don't let it progress to self defecating.
"From the perspective of the English colonists in general and GW in particular, the F&I War was about real estate. And they won, bigly.”
Reading the history of colonial New York, decades prior to the F&I War the French were making real pests of themselves at the English outposts. I think that the French backed the wrong horse and I blame Samuel Champlain, who was trying to impress the Hurons from the St Laurence and killed three chiefs of the more powerful Iroquois on the first meeting with them. He ambushed them by hiding under skins in a canoe, and at a critical moment, rose up with his arquebuses and blasted three important chiefs straight to the happy hunting grounds, earning the French their everlasting enmity and who knows? Maybe it caused the French to be kicked out of Quebec as a consequence many years later.
Suppose we get to the end of April, and the President says "OK, everybody back to work now", but certain Governors decide not to go along with the federal plan.
To what, if any, extent, can the President use the Defense Production Act, or any similar legislation, to direct enterprises to resume their normal operations?
Ken B said...
See FullMoon 4:35 is why I use the word covidiot. He won’t even consider an approach because it put was first mentioned by a guy he doesn’t like.
Yeah, see, Meade said for pants to get her young self intentionally infected. Then you attempted to curry favor with a big, "Yup sounds real good ta me"..
Then I mildly pointed out the stupidity of your ass kissing and you immediately came back with the unusually brilliant leap that somehow I don't like Meade. I guess in your mind, that lie somehow solidifies your imagined bond.
In fairness, I will say that your blog, accessed by clicking on your name, is not nearly as ridiculous as you appear in these comments.
I doubt I'm ever going to finish them so yeah, I would.
Things never go back to normal. The humans are pawns in a game between two forces attempting to define existence. The bad guys want to end all life and produce an existence of pure thought. The good guys (represented by three avatars, some of which come from the Nantucket novels) are trying to defend existence more or less as we know it.
Arminger wins in the end, because his descendants rule over a realm called Montival that is among the most powerful in the world.
The Makenzies' win in the end because those rulers are witches and descendants of Juniper.
The Bearkillers win because those rulers are also descended from Havel.
The last story arc occurs a generation later, and involves similar plots based around Japanese samurai.
Sorry, one more, here is the formal title of that book, presented for amusement only:
The Livingstons of Livingston manor; being the history of that branch of the Scottish house of Callendar which settled in the English province of New York during the reign of Charles the Second; and also including an account of Robert Livingston of Albany, "The nephew," a settler in the same province and his principal descendants
so you're a Livingston, like I'm an Arteaga, on one side of my family, it's of basque derivation, as buwaya pointed out, anybody in contact with him
I think that the French and Indian War had become an inevitability. The French had almost no interest in development, because that would create power centers that France couldn't control easily. The result was that British numbers became overwhelming in comparison. Between British regulars and militia, by mid-century they may have been able to get as many men under arms as the French had people in all of Canada. It was just a matter of timing after that.
The 19th is the regiment my Irish Catholic kinfolk fought in. They were in all the battles up to Gettysburg. Adams won the Medal of Honor for his conduct at Fredericksburg where he picked up the colors after seven previous holders had been shot.
Mine were in the Illinois 55th volunteer infantry. One died of measles in camp, age 18. The other survived Shiloh but was wounded at Vicksburg on May 22, the last attempt at a Coup d Main, and he died on June 2. Buried at Memphis.
"But now that we need to quarantine...suddenly everyone's home is nice and safe"
For progs, kids are tools. Need an argument for abortion? It's good for abused kids. Need an argument for panicky school shutdowns? It's good for kids. They're flexible that way. Of course, they're flexible about most things--except one.
My wife had a coughing fit. I told her she was having a "cow" fit.
what?? She thought I was calling her a cow, and was about to throw something at me.
My French mother always called a cough a "cow".
In order to decode that, you have to realize that she simply used the pronunciation of "bough" and used that for "cough".
From a respiratory therapist
CORONA Common Sense
Since they are calling on Respiratory therapist to help fight the Corona virus, and I am a retired one
Not bad advice, narciso. Main thing is take Hydroxychloroquine. 400 mg bid x 1 day then 200 mg bid for 7 to 10 days.
Fever therapy worked for syphilis. I dunno about viruses.
@Yancey Ward,
"At this point, one has to consider the possibility that Newsome really has discovered a way to tamp down the panic and keep people from swamping the hospitals, clinics, and ERs- just dribble out all the test results so it looks like nothing is happening."
There's no panic out here, because there's so few deaths. Out of 39 Million people here in Cali, only 145 deaths over 3 months.
That's much less than car accident fatalities here.
And if we actually examined the deaths, half are 70-80 year old old folks in nursing homes with all sorts of co-morbidities.
Main thing is take Hydroxychloroquine. 400 mg bid x 1 day then 200 mg bid for 7 to 10 days.
Easy for you to say, if you have a prescription pad. Forbidden in Nevada whether you have one or not.
Stop taking Hydroxychloroquine if your tongue swells, and you have difficulty breathing, or you see flashes of light and inability to focus your eyes.
"That's much less than car accident fatalities here."
Well, it's long past time to shut down the nation's highways.
Stop the carnage! If we can save only one life, it's worth it!
Mine were in the Illinois 55th volunteer infantry. One died of measles in camp, age 18. The other survived Shiloh but was wounded at Vicksburg on May 22, the last attempt at a Coup d Main, and he died on June 2. Buried at Memphis.
My GGGrandfather volunteered in the Wisconsin 12th infantry. He fought together with a younger brother. Another older brother served in the 43rd. The all survived unscathed. He lost 3 kids to diphtheria while he was away for 3 years (2 on the same day in 1864). What a nasty disease that was. The death sounds look COVID death, but targets children.
Why, you've got a double fizzbin!
Meade said...
"All I can do is check on people and reach out as much as I can to other parents.. But that only does so much."
You're around 40 years-old, right? Female. No underlying health issues? Why not find someone who has tested positive for CORVID-19, visit them, breathe their air, become infected yourself? Self-quarantine until you are no longer infectious. Now you'll have supposed immunity and with immunity, you'll be able to intervene in child abuse cases and save the children. That will give you moral superiority over those of us who are doing nothing more than trying to avoid infection in order to not carry and spread the disease to others.
I already have tried and will keep trying to sign up for any vaccine treatments.
I don't mind being exposed either.
The problem with your posit here is COVID-19 is in the environment and it is wide spread.
The only way to avoid exposure at some point in the future is to just shut down everyone's lives forever and give up any notion that we are free people in a free country.
Etienne said...
Stop taking Hydroxychloroquine if your tongue swells, and you have difficulty breathing, or you see flashes of light and inability to focus your eyes.
Um. Wouldn't that be good advice for... pretty much anything?
"That war" was the Seven Year's War, called the French and Indian in the colonies.
My Russell patriarch and two other Russells enlisted in the 11th Illinois Cavalry 90 years to the day I was born, 1861. They reenlisted as veterans and stayed the whole war. My Smith gg-father enlisted in 1864 in the last Indiana infantry regiment raised, in the 130ths, but was soon converted into the 13th Indiana Cavalry. An Utterback gg-father was in some Indiana Infantry in the 80 numbers.
"so you're a Livingston”
No, but my family history in the old world and the new world was mixed up with them in the 17th century. I am descended of German refugees from the Thirty Years War, like a lot of native Upstate New Yorkers. I have vaguely pieced together that my ancestor who carried the family name to the New World met Robert Livingston, or more likely, joined up as part of some expedition, in Rotterdam. I am trying to work out the details. Which is why I am reading the book.
A small silver lining. Amazon deposited more money than usual in my account today. People who are self isolating must be reading more. I should have written a book on the 1918 flu epidemic. Then history book does have a chapter.
I'm reading Barry's book about the flu epidemic. It's annoying reading books about Medicine by people who are not really well informed but I assume it gets better. I can't watch TV shows about Medicine. The exception is the ITV show "Doc Martin." Somebody does a really good job on advising. MASH was the only good movie about Medicine.
tcrosse said...Easy for you to say, if you have a prescription pad. Forbidden in Nevada whether you have one or not.
There's plenty of good ol' quinine in Vegas. I wonder if it too works, albeit with less efficacy.
MASH was the only good movie about Medicine.
There is German language series called Charité. It's built around the story of Robert Koch.
Thanks for the clarification
insights
Oops, those should be gg-grandfathers. I'm not that old.
I saw some blurb somewhere today (zerohedge maybe?) saying that the overall fatality rate is actually down relative to this time last year. The thinking went that perhaps all this social distancing is leading to far less automobile accidents? So oddly Covid-19 is saving more lives than it's costing.
Three of my gg-grandparents were 48'ers, refugees of the democratic revolutions across Europe, arriving in 1850 from the same village, Wolfschlugen, Baden-Wurttemberg.
By the late 1860s, a community from had developed around Franklin Township, Polk County, Iowa. In the 1880's those farmers raised money to replace the home village's church bell, which had been melted down for cannon during the revolution.
My gg-grandfather served in the 1st WI Calvary. Injured twice, once pretty severely. Lived with that for 40 years. Two horses were killed while he rode them.
Ended up the War riding all over the South as cities fell. (Not with Sherman though).
btw -- Happy Birthday Eric Clapton. It occurred to me that "You look wonderful tonight" and "Tears in Heaven" have very similar chords.
So oddly Covid-19 is saving more lives than it's costing.
Model studies will shortly appear claiming that global temperatures will go down by 2 degrees because of no flights. Is there nothing that social distancing can't do?
Reduces multiple sources of carbon.
My Russell ggg-father, being the clan patriarch, I know more about. They were at Vicksburg and Shiloh with Grant, but, as cavalry actually didn't fight much. They were totally out of the 1st day of Shiloh being attached to Lew Wallace's division stumbling around in the swamps. Wallace wrote Ben Hur.
After Vicksburg they were posted to Memphis to fight guerillas like Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was attacking the Union logistic tail. As I remember, over the entire war the regiment lost about 22 KIA and about 200 from disease, being in the malarial Mississippi Valley.
Ah shit. Also the 11th's first Colonel was Robert Ingersoll, "Fighting Bob," who was one of the post-war's leading American atheists. The 11th didn't produce a regimental history so I've had to glean it from Ingersoll's bio and the Illinois Adjutant General's report.
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French and Indian
American Revolution (Minutemen)
Civil War
Poor hill folks pretty much stay put.
I'm not one to go to the balcony and knock out a Puccini aria. I don't think I've ever been especially cheerful. I'm not sure but I think I'm mildly depressed. I don't read as much, and I find television mildly irritating. I eat more self indulgent food..... My life hasn't been upended or even significantly altered, but I feel vaguely unmoored. The small rituals that shaped my life are gone. Compared to other people I know, I don't have any daunting problems, but I feel mildly anxious, depressed, and irritable. I wonder how other people are going to make it through another six to eight weeks of this shit.
How you know you're being gaslighted:
Headline: "DC mayor threatens jail time for leaving home during coronavirus"
Story: "The stay-home order has exceptions for grocery shopping and work deemed essential. Outdoor recreation such as running is allowed, but cannot involve people outside of a household."
Let's unpack this.
Jail time for leaving your home.
Except when you're going grocery shopping. Or work "deemed" essential. Outdoor recreation is allowed.
But cannot involve people outside a household?
Essential travel is allowed. Is travelling to the New York YMCA "essential travel?" If you're the Mayor.
This is getting stupider and stupider by the day.
You're around 40 years-old, right? Female. No underlying health issues? Why not find someone who has tested positive for CORVID-19, visit them, breathe their air, become infected yourself? Self-quarantine until you are no longer infectious. Now you'll have supposed immunity
Meade, I suppose you intend this in a mean way, because disagree, but is this a legal and viable solution? I would be glad to be inoculated and know that I am safe to be around. No child protective services career intended.
"Meade, I suppose you intend this in a mean way, because disagree, but is this a legal and viable solution?"
Mean? Who me?
As far as I know, it's not illegal to visit someone who is diagnosed with the virus, followed by self-isolating and then beating the virus by using fever, hydration, steam, nutrition, controlled deliberate breathing and deep expectoration. When 5-days symptom-free, get tested. I suppose you would then have immunity but I could be wrong. I would consult a lawyer for the legality question and a physician for the medical.
Yes, Meade, I would be completely delighted to be exposed to CV as I am not afraid of it and I would like to get it over with. However, this might prove to be a challenge since A. I'm not allowed to leave my goddamned house and B. there are 30 cases in my county, none of which are serious, so it would probably take me a while to find these people. Meanwhile, in a normal year, we have around 1500 confirmed child abuse victims. This is in a normal year, when we don't have a tanked service based economy in an already economically depressed and alcohol ravaged community plus children being unexpectedly crammed into their homes for, at best, five straight months with no outside monitoring of their well-being. But go ahead and keep fronting like there's only one emergency at a time and only one kind of victim matters.
Robert Ingersoll is supposed to have said, after capture and release by Forrest, "If Mr. Forrest will leave me alone, I'll leave him alone." (IIRC)
Narr
Not much of a warrior, Ingersoll
"That's much less than car accident fatalities here."
Well, it's long past time to shut down the nation's highways.
Stop the carnage! If we can save only one life, it's worth it!
I also fail to understand the logic of people who are hair-on-fire about the relationship between gathering places and CV and yet give zero shits about bars and drunk driving.
If we care so much about public health, why do we tolerate public accommodations to become intoxicated that lead to people driving home and endangering others? If it's ok to tell me I can't go get my hair cut because I could give someone the scary virus, why can't I tell you you can't go to the bar because you could kill someone on you way home?
#staythefuckhome .... drinkers!
I found this from 6 days ago: here
Tonic water and minocycline from the pet store
"Yes, Meade, I would be completely delighted to be exposed to CV as I am not afraid of it and I would like to get it over with."
That would be great, for you. Are you hearing of many other people who feel the same as you do?
That would be great, for you. Are you hearing of many other people who feel the same as you do?
Has nothing to do with my point, but ok. Have a great night (I mean that).
"Resolution of this pandemic cannot ride on hopes of herd immunity that have not been substantiated by science. "
So I guess that's the latest. As of 6 days ago.
Why don't we gently ask Meade to simply comment on the numbers? We can start with the biggest state in our Union - Califormia.
Home of the Beach Boys, the LA Dodgers, Ronnie Reagan and Charlie Manson.
California has 39 Million people and 165 deaths.
That's about 4 deaths per Million people.
Is that an exponentially spreading epidemic or mere background noise in an ordinary flu season?
"Has nothing to do with my point, but ok. Have a great night (I mean that)."
Your point was, children are being abused and shelter in place is especially hard on them? I agreed with your point and suggested a solution. Turns out, for some very good reasons, we're not going to be doing herd immunity after all. Sorry.
But thanks. You have a good night too.
I don't know about exponential, Bay Area Guy. Has this been an "ordinary flu season?" I thought I read somewhere it's been a particularly bad flu season.
165 deaths out of 39 million people. That seems remarkably low. Maybe Californians can keep it below 200. I hope so.
why can't I tell you you can't go to the bar because you could kill someone on you way home?
Because we already tried that once and it was a complete disaster.
Thanks Gahrie, I appreciate it. I've been thinking about this. What I like with the time displacement genre is problem solving and survival, along with the what-if. Once that washes through, it's less interesting.
Meade said...
"Yes, Meade, I would be completely delighted to be exposed to CV as I am not afraid of it and I would like to get it over with."
That would be great, for you. Are you hearing of many other people who feel the same as you do?
I told my wife tonight, may be we should start cornoavirus parties for little kids, like they used to have chickenpox parties when my kids were little.
@tim in vermont, re: your grandfather’s membership in an anti-papal society, were his ancestors perhaps Dutch Reformed? That came to mind based on the Hudson Valley location. If so, it may have been something like a religious social tradition in that case, analogous perhaps in some ways to Northern Ireland’s Orange Order. Calvinists historically have had exceptionally little tolerance for “papists,” and have been especially vigorous in opposing them. If he wasn’t of Dutch descent but rather of the German refugee line you mention, the same could apply if they were German Reformed. I’m not sure the extraction of any Germans who might’ve fled the Thirty Years’ War (ended 1648) to Dutch New Netherland, but it seems likely they would have been co-religionists of the Dutch, ergo Reformed. Then again, German Lutherans could have gone to New Sweden, which was later conquered by the Dutch and incorporated into New Netherland, and later migrated to the Hudson Valley. But as far as I know Germans didn’t start arriving in America in meaningful numbers till after the Dutch relinquished their colony to British dominion in 1674, but those wouldn’t have been refugees of the Thirty Years’ War. Anyway, as far as New York, I believe the German settlers of that were mostly either. Reformed or Lutheran. The German Reformed congregations, not initially organized in a synod, were under the oversight of the American Dutch Reformed Church from 1729 to 1793. Even after they separated from the Dutch, their religious practice and doctrine was very like the Dutch Reformed in nearly all respects. I’m not as familiar with the history of American Lutheran anti-papist sentiment, or the degree of its zealotry, but of course Lutherans wouldn’t have been much more fond of the pope.
MadisonMan said...btw -- Happy Birthday Eric Clapton.
I had no idea that I shared a birthday with Eric Clapton. There was something numerically odd about this one:
Born 3/30/60
60 years old on 3/30/20
60/3 = 20
You're welcome
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
That would be great, for you. Are you hearing of many other people who feel the same as you do?
ISTM anyone willing to go out before there were lockdowns felt the same way Pants does.
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