March 26, 2020

"Cuomo’s rise is an unalloyed benefit for his state and the nation’s largest city, but it is not an unalloyed benefit for his party."

"To almost any sentient observer, it looks like the Democrats have picked the wrong guy to oppose Trump this fall. But the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t simply stride out across the wet paint now that Biden has effectively won the nomination. He won it in open primaries, with settled rules, and there’s no way to change them. Biden won’t offer the party an easy escape. He won’t suddenly renounce the prize he has sought his entire adult life. And even if Uncle Joe woke up with a horse’s head in his bed and backed out, Bernie Sanders would say, 'Hey, I’m next. No cutting in line.' In that unlikely scenario, the Democratic Party would undoubtedly reject the hardline socialist at their convention in Milwaukee, but doing so would enrage his staunch supporters and fracture the party unity necessary to defeat Trump.  So why not nominate Cuomo for vice president and hint that Biden would step aside after one term?... A Biden-Cuomo ticket would be made up of -- gasp -- two older white men. Where is the woman on that ticket? Where is the African American? How exactly did they get pushed aside in a party that is built upon the rock (or is it sand?) of identity politics? Moreover, Biden has actually promised, in public and on tape, that he will select a woman for his running mate...."

From "Cuomo Rising, Biden Wandering" by political scientist Charles Lipson (at Real Clear Politics).

This is a terrible problem for Democrats, but I would give priority to the important work Cuomo needs to keep doing for New York right now. He should not be pulled off the job to do the work of running for President (or Vice President!). Right now, he looks especially good because he is coordinating with the Trump administration. It would be disastrous to confuse that work by making him Trump's official opponent. Getting through this crisis is more important than the presidential election, and even if it weren't, the Democrats are not going to win by putting their party interests above taking care of the immediate problem now. Cuomo is the Governor of New York. He's doing a what seems to be a good job of it, right when that is what is desperately needed. That's more than enough for Cuomo. The fact that Biden is a terrible presidential candidate for this time is just too damned bad.

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Sam L. said...

"The fact that Biden is a terrible presidential candidate for this time is just too damned bad." Dems done did it to demselves. I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
not bummed for them.

Bay Area Guy said...

AA sez: "The fact that Biden is a terrible presidential candidate for this time is just too damned bad."

Reason 3,481 why I love Althouse, even when I differ with her opinion....

Michael K said...

But query me this: With 5.4 Million daily riders, almost all strangers, no ability to confirm flu vaccinations or not, no ability to stop people with coughs, sneezes, runny noses, fevers standing or sitting next to you, and NO MAJOR VIRAL OUTBREAKS in 100 years..., What does that signify?

Trump was not president ? Nobody noticed ?

walter said...

Has leader Cuomo taken to task Pelosi and Schumer for larding up, and thus delaying, the stimulus with irrelevant Lefty wishlist?

Quaestor said...

Tara Reade.

Operation Draft Cuomo is underway.

Gusty Winds said...

"Trump is in a hole and has not figured out that getting out requires that he should quit digging at the COVID-19 press conferences."

When the President travels, and where ever he goes, crowds gather. He is also well equipped with all the tools and information he need at America’s Fortress of Solitude. The task force press conferences are the most accurate assessments of the situation you can get. And…the information comes from the team with the most power to make a difference.

But of course NPR in Seattle is not going to air them anymore. But, they will filter the information for you, and broadcast what they deem to be truthful. And that’s because the NPR audience in Seattle probably has the IQ of the bass player for Nirvana.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Anyone else notice how gadfly, ARM and R/V use handles or pics associated with some of the greatest thinkers of western civilization while their lefty allies are busy purging those same individuals from the academy?

I just assumed that was the basis of ARM’s projection about Trump’s “insecurity” - clearly a top-of-mind concern for someone incapable of critically assessing anyone with a D.

Bruce Hayden said...

“I wrote this in another thread yesterday- Cuomo won't be the nominee unless New York state comes through this looking no worse than any other state. I wouldn't put money on that being the case- I think New York will be, by far, the worse part of COVID-19 in the US. With that, Cuomo won't be able to run on being an effective fighter of the virus- the obvious question can't really be answered well in that case- "What did New York state do so much worse than everywhere else in the U.S.?" I see an effort is being made to blame DeBlasio, and then Trump, but, still, if the rest of the US does much better than New York, blaming Trump isn't going to work.”

I think that this makes perfect sense. The numbers aren’t going to lie, and I fully expect the highest death toll to be in NY (and esp NYC). Worse than CA even maybe, with its piles of shit on the sidewalks, millions of illegals, and huge homeless population. Hopefully, for their own sake, they can at least beat CA.

“But query me this: With 5.4 Million daily riders, almost all strangers, no ability to confirm flu vaccinations or not, no ability to stop people with coughs, sneezes, runny noses, fevers standing or sitting next to you, and NO MAJOR VIRAL OUTBREAKS in 100 years..., What does that signify?”

Pure luck.

NYC appears very much to have one right now. The only thing that keeps Cuomo from looking really bad in his response is that NYC mayor DeBlasio screwed up even worse. DeBlasio apparently didn’t try ordering masks and gloves until after I had reordered masks. Still, how can they be short on ICU beds, with a declining population? It makes sense here in AZ, with the explosive growth of the PHX metro area (we saw that vividly in January when we went into the ER in the west valley, with something that presented like COVID-19). Or respirators? Cuomo could have picked up a bunch several years ago at a decent price, but that money was spent elsewhere, no doubt, in more woke pursuits.

And even if NY survives the pandemic in decent shape, Trump will be able to point out all the help everyone else sent them. Heck, he has even sent them one of our only two USN hospital ships. That doesn’t demonstrate competence on Cuomo’s account (or DeBlasio’s either).

Bay Area Guy said...

@Bruce Hayden,

"Pure luck"

You are one of the best here, but I respectfully submit you err with this response.

But, that's not as important as what is happening now. If there is going to be a serious flu-like epidemic, it will take place, localized, in our largest, most dense City. No doubt about that. Not opposed to sheltering in place NYC. Yes, stay at home, there, if the economy can absorb it.

But that shouldn't apply to the rest of the country, experiencing only a mild flu-like epidemic, as conclusively shown by the numbers.

Source: RCP: 3.5 deaths in US per MILLION people.

Darkisland said...

ARM,

So where do you get your copious wealth of knowledge?

What books have you read in the past week, month or year? Anything we might have heard of?

John Henry

Bay Area Guy said...

New paper on China -- more revisions downward:

Money quote:

Using public and published information, we estimate that the overall symptomatic case fatality risk (the probability of dying after developing symptoms) of COVID-19 in Wuhan was
1.4% (0.9–2.1%), which is substantially lower than both the corresponding crude or naïve confirmed case fatality risk (2,169/48,557 = 4.5%) and the approximator of deaths/
deaths + recoveries (2,169/2,169 + 17,572 = 11%) as of 29 February 2020.


1.4% CFR in China -- the origin of this worldwide pandemic. This is for people who HAVE SYMPTOMS -- 1 in 100 die. That's not a pandemic.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Darkisland said...
So where do you get your copious wealth of knowledge?


Imagine a magical world where, instead of endlessly bitching about people with ideas different to your own, you actively listened to what they had to say, followed up by doing some research, and then thought through logical responses. Imagine that magical world. Now, that's where I live.

Shouting Thomas said...

Cuomo has been a disaster as governor of NY.

Which is not to say that he’s done anything counter to the desires of NY voters. NY voters are something of a disaster.

From banning fracking to a providing get out of jail free card for criminals to failing to legalize pot, Cuomo has failed on all fronts.

NY, like CA, is virtually a commie state. Which is what the voters here want.

Like CA, NY is driving out residents by the tens of thousands. They’re fleeing to low tax, low regulation states and taking their commie politics with them, screwing up the poor states they choose to infest.;

Shouting Thomas said...

You know, ARM used to actually be sort of reasonable.

Something has gone very wrong. He’s now a full fledged dumb kook, complete with a wild case of TDS.

What happened?

Darkisland said...

ARM,

So, nothing. No reading, no sources of expertise, history, knowledge or ideas.

Just making shit up as you go along.

As most of us have always suspected.

John Henry

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

JAORE said...
ARM - Trump is an intellectually limited president
Others - No, you are an azz hole
ARM - No you
Others - No YOU!


Wouldn't it be so much better if people stopped calling other commenters names and simply focused on arguments and facts?

For example, he is not intellectually limited because look at this clever book he wrote.

Or, here are some famous generals who worked closely with him and listen to how clever they think he is.

You know, add some data to the discussion.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Darkisland said...
nothing


You, as usual, failed to listen, this is why you know very little, grasshopper. Listen to other people, do not simply assume they are as lacking in insight as you are.

Shouting Thomas said...

You know, add some data to the discussion.

As a retired programmer, I am always amused when somebody tries to computerize and scientific-ize things.

A sure sign of deepest of deep bullshit.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Wouldn't it be so much better if people stopped calling other commenters names and simply focused on arguments and facts?

Why, yes. It would be better. It would also be better if we didn’t have to endure stupid partisan comments that include nothing more than “Cuomo great, Trump bad!” as though you’d ever considered any other view.

You can’t really be upset when we notice that that’s the limit of your intellectual flexibility. (Well, you can. But that’s why you’re not considered a serious person.)

Shouting Thomas said...

Look, ARM, I’ll try to explain why Trump’s presidency has been so successful.

He views the presidency as a platform for the expression of optimism and cheerfulness.

He see his role as that of a cheerleader.

He sees his job as one of encouraging people to believe that good things are going to happen.

Your idea that the presidency ought to be about “data” is hilarious bullshit.

His expressions of optimism about going back to work are precisely what a president should be doing. His optimism about the outcome of this pandemic are precisely what we need to hear.

Darkisland said...

ARM, does make a good point. We really should listen to people with ideas different from ours. That's why I've read marx, Mussolini, Mao, House and other progressives.

I seriously recommend this. Tesy your ideas against competing ones. Ive done it all my adult life and have found it useful.

ARM's problem seems to be that he can't tell the difference between "listening to" and "agreeing with". He seems to think my disagreements are because I didn't listen to the competing ideas rather than disagreeing because I DID listen to them and found them wanting.

So do you listen to competing ideas, ARM? Since you don't read, how do you go about it?

John Henry

Shouting Thomas said...

Trump understands that the presidency is the “bully pulpit” better than any president since Reagan.

He’s not a micro-manager.

His statements, in general, are not to be read as to whether they conform to statements of facts. They are to be read as attempts to encourage and to engender optimism and the desire to act on that optimism.

He was raised on The Power of Positive Thinking and it appears to me that he simply does not allow negative thoughts to encroach upon his thinking.

So, if you’d like a president who gets down in the “data” and considers all the potential negatives, Trump’s going to disappoint you.

I think Trump’s method is correct.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Your failure to understand what you are told is revealed by your statement, "Since you don't read". This is a simple assertion that has no basis in anything I have said or have ever said. Only a very foolish man would say something like this. A man lacking in the ability to comprehend even the simplest of communications. You may have 'read' Marx I doubt you understood much.

robother said...

"for this time." I am trying to imagine a time in American history that Joe Biden would be an ideal candidate for.

Big Mike said...

Remember how Governor Christie was celebrated for embracing Obama after Hurricane Sandy....

I remember that Obama promised to cut all the red tape, but the people who lived where Sandy struck said that the red tape and paperwork were really bad. I imagine Obama forgot his promise before he even got back on board Air Force 1 to fly home. I fault Christie for not loudly holding Obama to his pledges.

Darkisland said...

You are the one who told us you don't read books, ARM.

So do you read books? Perhaps share some examples of recent reading with us so we can see where your knowledge & ideas come from?

I'm currently rereading Andrew Carnegie's biographyof James Watt. I'll be happy to share other books I've read. I and others even discuss them in the friday night Booka-fes here at Althouse

John Henry

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Darkisland said...
You are the one who told us you don't read books,


Point exactly to where I said this. Intellects like yours jump to preordained conclusions without evidence, this is why deeper understanding is so elusive for you. When you read a book you simply impose your existing word view on whatever is on the page. You are not open to new information or the possibility of changes in your ideas.

The book I am reading right now is "In Pursuit of the Unknown: 17 Equations That Changed the World". It is popular science exploration of various well known mathematical equations. Knowing this will change exactly nothing regarding your opinion of me. It is a pointless exercise to share this. Yet I do so in a spirit of community and togetherness in this difficult time.

Darkisland said...

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

You may have 'read' Marx I doubt you understood much.

To be fair that's a comment I've heard before about Marx. Many people claim to read him. Fewer actually have. I doubt anyone understands him.

The problem is that Marx, especially in Capitol, seldom makes much logical sense. He starts with a stunning, fundamental, fallacy: that exchange taks place because the goods have equal value. He then uses that ludicrous idea to construct his labor theory of value and it's off to the races, weirder and weirder on every page.

Its still an interesting read even though it seldom has anything to do with reality.

Did you understand Capital when you read it? You have read it, haven't you?

John Henry

Darkisland said...

To be clear, no, I didn't understand Capital any of the three times I've read it.

I doubt you did either though ill be happy to discuss if you wish.

John Henry

Michael K said...

You are not open to new information or the possibility of changes in your ideas.

Says the advocate of the global warming hoax.

Michael K said...

Listen to other people, do not simply assume they are as lacking in insight as you are.

Lots of nasty ad hominem from ARM these days. Despair does that to Marxists, right before they eat the zoo animals.

Gk1 said...

I wonder if anyone has gotten around to you know, asking Cuomo? I would imagine he would much prefer to run in 2024 without having to contend with the electoral buzzsaw that awaits him should he get drafted for 2020.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

John Henry, you dodged my question. Where did I say that I do not read books? This is a very basic point of fact.

dreams said...

This isn't the democrats' year, Cuomo will run for president in 4 years when the timing is right.

Gospace said...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_New_York_gubernatorial_election

Shouting Thomas says NY voters are something of a disaster. Look at the map in the above link and you’ll see a perfect illustration of why Reynolds vs Sims was a disastrous, indeed. monstrous decision.

It’s funny how the people who wrote and ratified the original state’s constitutions, who overlapped they people who wrote the U.S. Constitution were blithely unaware that organizing states in the same manner as the federal government was unconstitutional because of the “one man one vote “ clause they had inserted in the invisible ink between the lines that cold only be read in penumbras and emanations by highly educated judges 200 years later. Well, 6 of 9 headed by the great judge and seer Earl Warren.

Shortly after that is when state budgets started exploding.

narciso said...

it is curious

narciso said...

you can't win

Michael K said...

This isn't the democrats' year, Cuomo will run for president in 4 years when the timing is right.

That's what they told his father in 1992. Bush I was riding high. Then he raised taxes.

Mario missed his chance and Bill Clinton, an unknown small state governor with woman trouble, slipped in.

That has to be gnawing on Cuomo now.

Birkel said...

ARM offers heat but no light.

Quit wasting pixels on it.

narciso said...

more encouraging news

tcrosse said...

No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more Kennedies, no more Romneys, no more Cuomos, no more Trudeaux.

Nichevo said...

Dave Begley said...
Somehow and some way, Cuomo will be the Dem nominee.



Not having read through the whole thread, I don't think you understand the problem. If by wave of a magic wand, the whole problem was cured, Cuomo might appear suitable. The thing is, the problem is not cured, and we're still in the middle of the emergency, and, very likely, we will be dealing with its aftermath in November, let alone in July at DNC time.

And let me tell you, if Cuomo abandons New York in its hour of need, to run for president, he will not win New York's electoral votes.

Also, if America is cured by then, PDT will win 57 states-other countries will join us to share in his glory.

narciso said...

he can bought cheaply

narciso said...

and there's more of it

Drago said...

ARM: "Imagine a magical world where, instead of endlessly bitching about people with ideas different to your own, you actively listened to what they had to say, followed up by doing some research, and then thought through logical responses. Imagine that magical world. Now, that's where I live."

Yes.

Team Russia/Collusion-Kavanaugh/Rapist-CarterPage/RussianSpy-Ukrain pnone call/quidproquo wrote that.

Without irony.

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narciso said...

surprising not really

Drago said...

Nichevo: "The thing is, the problem is not cured, and we're still in the middle of the emergency, and, very likely, we will be dealing with its aftermath in November, let alone in July at DNC time."

Irrelevant.

In the same way the lefty/LLR-lefty media went to bat for the "beautiful"/"Brilliant"/"most qualified candidate ever"/"not a smidgen of corruption" Hillary, there is no limit to how much the MSM will fight for the dem nominee, regardless of scenario.

If Cuomo is handed the nomination I guarantee that by November Cuomo will have done "The Most Amazing Job Any Governor Has Ever Done In History" according to the media.

Guaranteed.

Big Mike said...

MeToo Legal Fund Refused To Help Biden Accuser, Claiming It Couldn’t Risk Nonprofit Status Since He’s Running For President

Nichevo said...

Drago, I dig you, but literally, NY would not vote for him in such circumstances. The specter of a D candidate who would lose NY does not bear examination by the D Machine. 2024.




It's looking like Chloroquine has to be given early in Wuhan cases as the results with late administration are not good.


Hey Doc - 1) is this w/wo azithromycin? 2) what diff between chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, w/wo azithromycin? 3) what is the course of the disease, and at what point - at which stadia? - is the cutoff for drug therapy?




Drago said...
Anyone else notice how gadfly, ARM and R/V use handles or pics associated with some of the greatest thinkers of western civilization while their lefty allies are busy purging those same individuals from the academy?

If it were military figures this would be stolen valor. In these cases it is stolen virtue.

Nichevo said...

Oh and ARM, isn't it amazing how people used to be fooled by you? Don't you regret undeceiving them now for a futile outburst of distemper?

Francisco D said...

Lots of nasty ad hominem from ARM these days. Despair does that to Marxists, right before they eat the zoo animals.

ARM seems frantic these days. You can virtually smell the flop sweat.

I don't think he was quite this crazed during the Kavanaugh hearings or the Impeachment Hoax.

I guess that means Trump is going a good job and a lot of people recognize it.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Just one sad ad hominem comment after another. Sad. Sad. Sad. Each day I labor in the fields trying to create a small salon of ideas that might be attractive to passersby and each day you drag it back into the mud. Yet in this Sisyphean task I find meaning. Go figure.

narciso said...

Pearson that owns economist and financial times, Bagehot's regret on the former,

Original Mike said...

"Each day I labor in the fields trying to create a small salon of ideas that might be attractive to passersby and each day you drag it back into the mud."

Oh, woe is you.

Drago said...

ARM: "Each day I labor in the fields trying to create a small salon of ideas...."

It's too bad so many of "your" "ideas" originate in China or Tehran.

Drago said...

Francisco: "I guess that means Trump is going a good job and a lot of people recognize it."

That's what the polls are showing.

Hence the increasing "unhingedness" of ARM's "performances" at Althouseblog.

Drago said...

I almost long for the days when the ARM's and lefties of the world were lying about cannibalism in the Superdome during Katrina.

tcrosse said...

Yet in this Sisyphean task I find meaning. Go figure.

Yes. These are the chains you forged in life.

Kirk Parker said...

chickelit,

I started out mostly voting for D's too... but back then I had D's like Scoop Jackson to vote for!

Bay Area Guy said...

Cuomo: Not sure if closing all businesses, keeping everyone home was 'the best public health strategy'

Progress!

Kirk Parker said...

BAG,

The CDC's preliminary estimate for the flu season 2 years ago is 61,000 deaths nationally. Surely NYC had their share?

Kirk Parker said...

Gospace @ 4:06pm,

Indeed.

Get rid of Reynolds v. Sims, Griggs v. Duke Power, Roe v. Wade, Gonzales v. Raich, and a very few others, and we'd be in much better shape as a nation. (Then it's off to do something about that pesky 19th.... hey, someone's got to rhhardin in his absence!)

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

CNN has the credibility of Gawker.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Trump CAN be impeached for Biden family crimes.

Rick said...

Francisco D said...
ARM seems frantic these days. You can virtually smell the flop sweat.


He's coming to understand Dems have pooch-screwed this again and Trump is going to be re-elected. It's glorious to note his despair as America refuses the decline.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Heck of a job Trumpy.

US now has the most coronavirus cases in the WORLD with 83,553 infections - more than China or Italy - as experts warn death toll could reach 80,000 even if with quarantines

Original Mike said...

New York has 5 times the coronavirus cases as the next infected state.

Heck of a job, Andrew.

Michael K said...

It's looking like Chloroquine has to be given early in Wuhan cases as the results with late administration are not good.


Hey Doc - 1) is this w/wo azithromycin? 2) what diff between chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, w/wo azithromycin? 3) what is the course of the disease, and at what point - at which stadia? - is the cutoff for drug therapy?


How not to treat the virus.

The woman is a 54 year old diabetic who develops flu symptoms.

When she started to develop a fever on March 15, Anderson immediately made an appointment with her doctor. Her family said she wasn’t experiencing any cough or shortness of breath at this point.

On March 19, her doctor ran the flu and strep tests that came back negative, and did a chest X-ray. The next day, the radiology report showed that Anderson had pneumonia. Her doctor was concerned that the infection patterns on her lungs were consistent with coronavirus.

She was tested for COVID-19 on Friday, March 20.


No treatment with hydroxychlororquine while waiting for the test result which was four days after onset.

No test result until Monday---> positive. Now 8 days post onset.

On Monday morning, Anderson received a call from her doctor saying that her coronavirus test was positive and that she should go to the emergency room right away. By now, she was having more trouble breathing.

Her husband drove her to Tucson Medical Center.

By the time she arrived, Anderson’s family says, her airway was so constricted she couldn’t be intubated and there was a lot of pressure in her abdomen.

Despite efforts by the staff to resuscitate her, Anderson died within an hour of her arrival.


My wife, who is very high risk, and I were talking about it today.

Maybe the doc could not get a test kit. I know Tucson pharmacies are all backordered on hydroxychloroquine.

Could not have a worse result.

I would suggest starting hydroxychloroquine AFTER the test, then adding 'Z pack" if it gets worse.

I don't know how available remdesivir is. Navarro said they had 4500 doses a week ago and had ordered 90,000 more.

Testing is the big holdup that is costing lives, too late and the report too slow.

Michael K said...

I see ARM is still insane with TDS.

Michael said...

ARM

You would have to be insane to blame any leader on the number of cases. Truly out of your mind with hatred. I fear for your health these next four and a half years. I think you are likely to keel over.

Tell me when the number of deaths equal those killed by Obama during H1N1.

Drago said...

ARM: "Heck of a job Trumpy.

US now has the most coronavirus cases in the WORLD with 83,553 infections - more than China or Italy - as experts warn death toll could reach 80,000 even if with quarantines"

LOL

When ARM hears the siren call of his comrades in arms in Beijing his heart beats faster and his head swoons!

Thus far during the entire Trump administration there has not been a single assertion made by the Chinese Communist government that ARM did not parrot like the most 5th Column-y of the 5th Columnists.

Literally, not a single claim made by the ChiCom's that ARM hasn't passionately embraced.

Talk about a Useful Idiot.

Nichevo said...

Mike K, i appreciate the courtesy of your reply, but with respect, it did not answer my question, what difference between the -quines.

And why not start with the combination of *Q+Z at the outset, what is the point in waiting?

If the -quines were abundant is there any reason not to be issued them at the first suspicion of COVID-19? Certainly after radiology? Films showing lower lung ground glass were the first diagnostic we had, I thought.

Perhaps I should have read your link before replying, but am on a phone and wanted to bang this off.

Drago said...

It shouldnt be surprising but it still is the extent to which the entire MSM and lefty trolls have embraced straight up Chinese Commie propaganda.

I wonder if the ChiComs ever take time out from imprisoning and killing dissidents and forcibly harvesting organs of prisoners to marvel at just how willing the dems/lefties/LLR-lefties are to sell the US down the river to them and push pure, transparent ChiCom propaganda?

I mean, if you are the ChiComs then you do already know that the dems/left have a Western Civ death wish, but for dems/left to embrace that mission with such passion.....

Wow.

Yancey Ward said...

Michael K,

Even if remdesivir is effective, I think I was right- there just isn't enough of the drug extant. I don't know what the optimized process for making it is, but I can tell you by looking at the structure that even an optimized process route isn't going to produce good overall yields. It might not be possible to make more than 1 to 10 kilos at a time, and it might not be possible to do so quickly even at those small scales. There are two stereo-centers established in manufacture that don't give good selectivity in the medchem route. I don't know what Gilead does to get a stereochemically pure final product in the process route, but it is likely half or more of the material is lost at that stage.

Drago said...

I wonder if this is one reason the ChiComs numbers are so low (besides arresting and killing doctors who dare speak out..with western lefties/dems approval):

"A Czech news site on Monday (March 23) revealed that 80 percent of the much-touted traunch of Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) rapid test kits “donated” from China are faulty, forcing healthcare workers to rely on conventional laboratory tests."

Uh oh.

Looks like another country is experiencing the expected from ChiCom "charity".

Yes, it was absolutely brilliant to give China 97% control over all US pharmaceuticals.

Sebastian said...

Cuomo: not the best strategy "because the younger people could have been exposing the older people to an infection"

No kidding. We still targeted quarantine, rigorously enforced, young people back to work. Donald, Andrew, get your act together.

Drago said...

More insight into the ChiCom propaganda ARM is pushing:

Jennifer Zeng

Hospital refuses to admit #CCPVirus patient as they want to keep "zero new case" record. Upset family starts a fight with staff, on Mar. 23, Not sure which hospital.
Click here for more : https://t.co/fSwmxEsPYp
#COVID2019 #Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic https://t.co/uUGQTEgEgt

ARM doesnt care how many people the ChiComs kill by refusing to treat them. All that matters is ARM has a new hiax talking point to push.

Thousands of Chinese purposely killed? Thats a very "small" price to pay for our dems.

Bay Area Guy said...

No way Cuomo's gonna replace Biden. Slow Joe just announced he's on the verge of developing the polio vaccine.

FullMoon said...

Cuomo: Not sure if closing all businesses, keeping everyone home was 'the best public health strategy'

Progress!

Cuomo shut down New York. Newsome shut down California.

Thank God Trump is helping the working people fucked by Democratic Governors.

FullMoon said...

"US now has the most coronavirus cases in the WORLD with 83,553 infections - more than China or Italy - as experts warn death toll could reach 80,000 even if with quarantines"

That is a relief. Wasn't long ago we here were arguing over eleven million dead.
Looks like Trump has saved over 10,000,000 lives.


Darkisland said...

Michael,

I think Scott Adams was talking about you in yesterday's podcast!

Farbeit for me to dispute with a medical professional. Especially one who's always seemed pretty knowledgeable.

You say take the medsafter the test. If you mean after getting the results I think you are wrong. If I have kung flu symptoms, waiting to take the test AND waiting for results to come back might take a week. I could die in that time.

Adams discussed risk/benefit analysis. The T-Pack (for trump combination) is low cost (@$20-30) with little or no side effects. Worst case it doesn't work and you are out a few bucks.

The test is expensive with the risk you might die before results come back.

Seems to be a no brainer to start the t-pack treatment at the first cough.

John Henry

FullMoon said...

Funny how the fact that China created the virus to unleash on the Hong Kong protestors has escaped attention of media.

Darkisland said...

 Drago said...

Looks like another country is experiencing the expected from ChiCom "charity".

Wasn't charity. The Chinese sold the faulty shit to Italy

John Henry

Michael K said...

You say take the medsafter the test. If you mean after getting the results I think you are wrong. If I have kung flu symptoms, waiting to take the test AND waiting for results to come back might take a week. I could die in that time.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. With antibiotics, the usual kind, you take the culture FIRST then start the antibiotic. Waiting to take the culture until after will give you false negatives.

The doc in that case, after waiting too long to get the COVID 19 test, did NOT put her on the med as they were waiting for the result. That is just standard practice in traditional infections cases.

The test needs to have faster results but DO NOT wait for the result before starting treatment. Maybe he did not have access to the test fast enough. We will learn a lot in the legal system once this is over.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Like the proverbial roomful of monkeys with a typewriter Drago has a point re China. The argument that they are not lying is simply that it will be impossible to hide the lie if there are new hot-spots developing. Hard to see an upside for them to lie in this case. On the other hand, I don't have any trouble believing that they shade the numbers. This has to balanced against the fact that they did a lot of testing whereas we are still struggling to ramp up testing and are still underestimating the number of cases in the US, possibly by quite a lot.

Michael K said...

I think I was right- there just isn't enough of the drug extant.

Navarro said on Hugh Hewitt that 4500 "doses" were in hand. 90,000 were ordered at $200 million.

Beyond that, I do not know.

Michael K said...

This has to balanced against the fact that they did a lot of testing whereas we are still struggling to ramp up testing and are still underestimating the number of cases in the US, possibly by quite a lot.

Does it ever bother you to lie ?

Asking for a friend.

Michael K said...

And why not start with the combination of *Q+Z at the outset, what is the point in waiting?

If the -quines were abundant is there any reason not to be issued them at the first suspicion of COVID-19? Certainly after radiology? Films showing lower lung ground glass were the first diagnostic we had, I thought.


First, the pharmacies were quickly back ordered on hydroxy-. We had some because my wife has rheumatoid arthritis. I managed to order some my paramedic son who is diabetic. Now, it is back ordered.

Why hydroxy-?

It might be a bit less toxic and is more available.

Z-pac, as Azithromycin is usually called, is probably more expensive and may be less available. I think it is less necessary for prophylaxis.

No good evidence.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

MK, you had a post earlier today pointing out that the testing wasn't going well - taking far too long to get the results. You are so addled that you can't even keep track of the nonsense that you post on the same day.

Tom said...

Trump won enough votes with a massive amount of skeptical voters.

Let’s assume that most people who voted for Trump in 2016 will vote for him again. That’s enough to make it very close.

But, there’s a whole bunch of out there who didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 - we either voted for Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, or even some put on gas masks and voted for Hillary - because we thought Trump was nuts. Turns out, Trump isn’t nuts. He’s actually quite good at policy, has the guts to stand up for important issues, and, thankfully, leaves his inanity to Twitter. We probably still wish he wouldn’t Tweet but us skeptical voters from 2016 are behind Trump now - even if we won’t always admit it to our friends.

Cuomo must know he can’t win in 2020. But he might be able to win in 2024.

Michael K said...

You are so addled that you can't even keep track of the nonsense that you post on the same day.

I know a couple of good psychiatrists if I knew where you lived.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

MK, now you are lying about statements you made today. Absolutely pathetic. You said quite clearly that the testing was inadequate. You are a liar, blatant and completely addled.

Nichevo said...


Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
MK, now you are lying about statements you made today. Absolutely pathetic.



Eventually you're going to cross the line and be banned. On that day I doubt most people will even notice. Good thing for you that the question of who is "pathetic" isn't resolved by poll. Pity there isn't a swab for it though, you'd break the tester.

The war within me is over whether to feel pity at your degeneration, or break out the marshmallows.

Gk1 said...

Why at this late date is anyone believing anything the Chinese have to say at this point? Assume all of their data is garbage. Ignore them. Ignore their "recovery" rates. Ignore their total number of infections. Ignore their re-infection rates. How many times do you have to be lied to before we decide it's not worth modeling with data? Why not ask the North Koreans how they are doing and model those numbers?

Francisco D said...

Whose opinion should I give credence to?

ARM or Michael K?

If you struggle with that question, you are an idiot.

bagoh20 said...

"NY Gov. Cuomo says statewide quarantine 'was probably not the best public health strategy

The governor is now echoing President Trump in stressing the importance of getting people back to work"


https://www.theblaze.com/news/ny-gov-cuomo-says-statewide-quarantine-was-probably-not-the-best-public-health-strategy


Who the Dem's real candidate?

bagoh20 said...

"Why at this late date is anyone believing anything the Chinese have to say at this point? "

We buy Chinese stuff to save money. Their propaganda is less than half the price of what our media's cost, and you get to cut out the middle man.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Michael K gave two opinions, so you get twice the choice, even if he had forgotten about one of them.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

You guys all have your knickers in a knot because I think Trump is a dumbass. It's a majority opinion, why do you hate our country?

JAORE said...


Eventually you're going to cross the line and be banned. On that day I doubt most people will even notice.

I'll notice. Less need to scroll past pages of bloviation.

bagoh20 said...

I wonder if there is a majority opinion on this blog about something similar?

Yancey Ward said...

Wow, I finally figured out what is wrong with ARM- he didn't hire enough monkeys.

FryingPanHead said...
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FryingPanHead said...

"My opinions are a closer reflection of the majority of people in this country than yours."

I wish I hadn't just taken a big swallow of coffee just then.

John Clifford said...

Cuomo is not doing a great job, he's doing an adequate job. He just looks great compared to de Blasio. Trump is also doing a good job... not a great job, not a bad job... and he's gotten better as this has gone on. Biden, of course, is doing a pathetically ridiculous job of trying to look like a leader while instead coming across like a bad SNL skit... and he's the best the Democrats reasonably have. Cuomo's not going to run for president, even if drafted at a possible convention, because he's not going to want to destroy his political viability by walking away from the NY governorship to lose to Trump in 2020. Cuomo may well run in 2024, but he'll likely run against Mike Pence who has done an outstanding job.

Here's what the next six months looks like: we get past the coronavirus outbreak by mid- to late May, we will find that there is some truth to Trump's statements around chloroquine mixed with other drugs (it will help people fight off the virus, resulting in a greatly reduced # of very sick who need ventilators), we will see a successful vaccine developed by the end of summer and produced en masse, we will see the economy come roaring back with a vengeance, we will see the vast majority of people credit Trump and Pence and the Coronavirus Task Force for their successful efforts, and we will see Trump win a resounding re-election on the scale of Reagan's victory over Mondale in 1984... and we will see the House revert to GOP control and although Pelosi will win re-election she will retire shortly thereafter as she will be blamed for the tidal wave that washes away the Democrats for the next decade. Bet me $1.

John Clifford said...

I will add that much of the panic around this is due to Democrat/media wishing fervently for some natural disaster to cause enough pain and disruption to give them a chance this fall. This is why Pelosi has been dragging her feet... she believes that if the American people feel enough pain they'll blame Trump and not her (and she further believes that the media will carry her water on this). Well, you can fool some of the people all of the time... yada yada. The people who have seen this ridiculous charade, and that are now really pissed off at her boasting about her ju-jitsu on the relief bill, are going to remember this in November. She singlehandedly demonstrated the fundamental unseriousness of the Democrats.

richard mcenroe said...

for what time WOULD Biden be a good Presidential candidate?

Aldomeir said...

Having grown up in NY State, I have a lot of friends still living there and they want Cuomo GONE. Not Now, Last week! Some say he may doing an OK job with the corona virus, but he still needs to go. They sound just like most anti-Trump people.

chickelit said...

FullMoon said...Thank God Trump is helping the working people fucked by Democratic Governors.

Worth a repeat.

chickelit said...

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...You guys all have your knickers in a knot because I think Trump is a dumbass. It's a majority opinion, why do you hate our country?

Is it a majority opinion? Nobody asked me my opinion.

Darkisland said...

 

 Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...


The book I am reading right now is "In Pursuit of the Unknown: 17 Equations That Changed the World".

Sounded like it might be interesting so I downloaded the sample. Reading the sample, it is interesting so it is now in my pile.

Otoh, it is a high school level textbook, according to amazon. Reads like one too. Nothing wrong with that, of course.

I mention it because you made a similar criticism, with much less justification, about pdjt's reading.

John Henry

Darkisland said...

 Darkisland said...

 

 Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

I mention it because you made a similar criticism, with much less justification, about pdjt's reading. 

To clarify, I did not mean my comment as a criticism of the equations book or arm's reading habits.

The book, based on the sample, seems interesting and I may buy and read it at some point. But it is not exactly deep thinking.

John Henry

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Anyone else notice how gadfly, ARM and R/V use handles or pics associated with some of the greatest thinkers of western civilization while their lefty allies are busy purging those same individuals from the academy?

1. Appeals to authority.
2. Stolen valor syndrome.
3. Complete lack of awareness and inability to perceive irony.
4. Demand answers without giving any.
5. Must be able to regurgitate Daily Talking Points as presented daily by MikaJoe Maddow et al.

Pookie Number 2 said...

You guys all have your knickers in a knot because I think Trump is a dumbass. It's a majority opinion

I think we all recognize that ARM isn’t up to the task of independent thought. So it will be interesting to see how his mindless acceptance deals with polls showing net positive support for Trump’s leadership.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Followed by a McGovern-like 49-state faceplant from whatever corpse the D party ends up nominating.

Sam L. said...

I am SO not bummed for the Dems!

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